[OldManMac]

Originally Posted by Orion27 

Have somethig positive to add Karl? I didn't think so.

It hasn't stopped you from adding nothing positive. Can't answer the question, deflect it. Typical.

[Rumor]

Originally Posted by Orion27 

Have somethig positive to add Karl? I didn't think so.

Speaking of ad-hominems.

[Orion27]

Originally Posted by tie 

When did Fitzgerald subpoena Rove's computer? Did Fitzgerald subpoena the computers of every official with RNC email accounts? -- Rove is not the only person involved here. "Ask Patrick Fitzgerald. He has them all." I doubt it.

There is lots of evidence of lots of wrongdoing. The administration lied to Congress. And now we have illegally deleted emails. It looks like an illegal coverup, to hide illegal political dismissals. The dismissals may or may not have been legal. It is impossible to tell given that the administration has been trying to cover up their reasons -- partly by claiming that executive privilege extends to the RNC (!) and partly by deleting emails and lying in testimony. Why would the administration be breaking the law in the coverup if there were nothing illegal in the first place? You don't lie to Congress on a whim (well, I wouldn't).

(Regarding the Plame affair, it is also illegal to perjure yourself, to lie to the FBI, and to obstruct justice; and Libby did all three.)

You have no evidence of illlegally deleted emails. Second, Fitzgeral has all of the RNC, Personal Rove computers.

[Orion27]

Originally Posted by Rumor 

My liberal bias? That's rich. I'd be just as concerned if the tables were reversed. I have no party affliation nor do I lean either way, which has be shown many times on these boards.

What about the two conservatives that disagreed with you earlier? Do they have "liberal" bias as well since they do not agree with your point of view?

Remove your political affliation blinders. It can do you wonders.

What disagreement and with which conservatives?

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by Gossamer 

That was my first thought as well

Me 3. I don't like Jawbonia. Sounds painfully sexual. Otherwise...

I'm about ready to move to the hills myself. After I change my party affiliation. This is just getting more ridiculous by the minute. You know, I'd really like to blame the Democrats for witch hunts, but when the Administration is repeatedly caught standing over a cauldron, dressed in black robes chanting; "EYE OF NEWT! BAT WINGS and PIG'S TONGUE BOIL, BRING TROUBLE AND TOIL!!!" you just can't blame 'em.

[Jawbone54]

Then how's about my own political party? We'll be called Boneacrats.

Yes/No?

[stevesnj]

Democrat or Republican, Presidents and their cabinet, and anyone else under their watch, do scummy things to get their way and do get away with it. The president (present and future) that wants to bring morality back to the White House do the most immoral things it seems

[HackManDan]

White House: Millions of e-mails may be missing - CNN.com

[tie]

Originally Posted by Orion27 

You have no evidence of illlegally deleted emails. Second, Fitzgeral has all of the RNC, Personal Rove computers.

I have tons of evidence of illllegally deleted emails; read the news! Sorry, I can't parse your second sentence.

But try reading HackManDan's article. Fitzgerald does not have the email.

In a January 23, 2006, letter to the defense team of former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Fitzgerald wrote: "We advise you that we have learned that not all e-mail of the Office of Vice President and the Executive Office of President for certain time periods in 2003 was preserved through the normal archiving process on the White House computer system."

[ironknee]

lee iacocca

Am I the only guy in this country who’s fed up with what’s happening? Where the hell is our outrage? We should be screaming bloody murder. We’ve got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff, we’ve got corporate gangsters stealing us blind, and we can’t even clean up after a hurricane much less build a hybrid car. But instead of getting mad, everyone sits around and nods their heads when the politicians say, “Stay the course.”

The Lazy Populist

[OldManMac]

Gone-zales caught lying again. The Democrats must have made them do this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/14/us...mp;oref=slogin

WASHINGTON, April 13 — A Justice Department e-mail message released on Friday shows that the former chief of staff to Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales proposed replacement candidates for United States attorneys nearly a year before they were dismissed in December 2006. The department has repeatedly stated that no successors were selected before the dismissals.

The Jan. 9, 2006, e-mail message, written by D. Kyle Sampson, who resigned last month as the top aide to Mr. Gonzales, identified five Bush administration officials, most of them Justice Department employees, whose names were sent to the White House for consideration as possible replacements for prosecutors slated for dismissal........

[OldManMac]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

lee iacocca



The Lazy Populist

Spend untold billions on an unjustified war - Mastercard

"We’ve got a gang of clueless bozos steering our ship of state right over a cliff......" - Priceless

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

lee iacocca



The Lazy Populist

I'm not really happy with our government, but I'm much more inclined to scream bloody murder over the hyperbole in that paragraph.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by Jawbone54 

Then how's about my own political party? We'll be called Boneacrats.

Yes/No?

Boneacrats?

Here's the painful truth Jawbone, there is simply no way to incorporate "Jaw" and/or "bone" and build any kind of legitimacy around it.

ebuddicans on the other hand...

[HackManDan]

Attorneys assessed long before firings: Bush officials looked at insiders to take the prosecutor jobs, new documents show - Los Angeles Times

"Long before they fired a group of U.S. attorneys, senior White House and Justice Department officials were already discussing some politically connected insiders for their replacements, documents released Friday show. The documents, turned over to congressional investigators in a widening probe of the firings, undercut earlier claims that the prosecutors were terminated for purely performance reasons."

Oh, what a tangled web they've weaved.

[Dakarʒ]

Originally Posted by Jawbone54 

Then how's about my own political party? We'll be called Boneacrats.

Yes/No?

You could either existing party that now. Cause they're sure as hell boning us.

[tie]

Gonzales was quite amusing today. Here's a link to a transcript of some highlights: Online NewsHour: Analysis | Gonzales Appears Before Committee | April 19, 2007 | PBS

SEN. DIANNE FEINSTEIN (D), California: You're testifying to us that you made these decisions without ever looking at the performance reports.

ALBERTO GONZALES: Senator, that is correct.

Where does Bush find these people!? He could have hired a bum off the street and gotten someone more competent.

[Helmling]

Have these people no shame?

[Orion27]

Originally Posted by tie 

Gonzales was quite amusing today. Here's a link to a transcript of some highlights: Online NewsHour: Analysis | Gonzales Appears Before Committee | April 19, 2007 | PBS



Where does Bush find these people!? He could have hired a bum off the street and gotten someone more competent.

Isn't that what the Democrats want? A consensus? No need for a strong man at the top. All we need is a consensus. Sort of like didn;t you look at the science? No, but consensus of scientists say........

[Helmling]

So, conservatism = authoritarianism?

Please admit it...I've so been waiting for someone to admit it.

[Orion27]

Originally Posted by Helmling 

So, conservatism = authoritarianism?
Please admit it...I've so been waiting for someone to admit it.

WTF? Leadership = authoritarianism? I'm waitng for a liberal to admit it.

[tie]

Originally Posted by Orion27 

Isn't that what the Democrats want? A consensus? No need for a strong man at the top. All we need is a consensus. Sort of like didn;t you look at the science? No, but consensus of scientists say........

I have no idea what you are talking about. I guess you are trying to draw some inappropriate analogy. Don't you mean we should nuke Israel?

[Orion27]

By the way, listened to Gonzales today and he was just pathetic. That's what happens when you use quotas. Mediocrity everytime.

[Orion27]

Originally Posted by tie 

I have no idea what you are talking about. I guess you are trying to draw some inappropriate analogy. Don't you mean we should nuke Israel?

No. I think the Democrat consensus is surrender in Iraq and abandon Israel. Are you saying you would fight to preserve the Israeli state? Of course not.

[Helmling]

Originally Posted by Orion27 

WTF? Leadership = authoritarianism? I'm waitng for a liberal to admit it.

Power corrupts, friend. That's what democracy is about, controlling that impulse in human nature, to protect us all through consensus.

If you're an enemy of consensus, then you're an enemy of democracy and freedom.

If what you want is a "strong" figure in control, then what you want is not democracy.

Sorry to break the news. Enjoy fascism.

[tie]

Originally Posted by Orion27 

By the way, listened to Gonzales today and he was just pathetic. That's what happens when you use quotas. Mediocrity everytime.

Quotas? The responsibility for Bush's appointments belongs with Bush. Bush wasn't elected by quota. The responsibility for Bush's election lies with stupid voters.

Another Bush appointment in the news: Wolfowitz blunders badly on Iraq. Bush, who lives by his maxim, "Stay the course," puts Wolfowitz up for the World Bank. Wolfowitz is appointed president, and vows to lead a fight against corruption. First order of action: giving his girlfriend a $60,000 raise. (!)

Again, pick any bum off the street and with probability 1/2 you'll get someone better than Wolfowitz. The link between Gonzales and Wolfowitz is Bush.

[Helmling]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

Me 3. I don't like Jawbonia. Sounds painfully sexual. Otherwise...

I'm about ready to move to the hills myself. After I change my party affiliation. This is just getting more ridiculous by the minute. You know, I'd really like to blame the Democrats for witch hunts, but when the Administration is repeatedly caught standing over a cauldron, dressed in black robes chanting; "EYE OF NEWT! BAT WINGS and PIG'S TONGUE BOIL, BRING TROUBLE AND TOIL!!!" you just can't blame 'em.

That is frickin' hilarious.

[Helmling]

Originally Posted by Orion27 

No. I think the Democrat consensus is surrender in Iraq and abandon Israel. Are you saying you would fight to preserve the Israeli state? Of course not.

I'd fight to preserve the Israeli people.

I think the difference is important.