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♥ · May 14, 2007, 08:14 AM

Bill's video about why we should vote for Hillary.

I'm open minded. I'm willing to give some thought to a Democratic contender for president, even though I'm Republican. I vote the person, not the party.

So I tried to watch this with an open mind.

My mind snapped shut after watching that video. Halfway through Bill's plugs for Hillary, he then takes a few moments to talk about his own "public service" including giving a brief rundown of his own C.V. in public service. I found this detracted greatly from the video, because, in essence, he seems to be saying that voting for Hillary is like voting for him (Bill). Why does he feel the need to tout his own persona?

He also left out the parts where, though he talks about why he married her, he also had multiple extramarital affairs.

Watch it yourself and comment? Oh, and one other thing, them mentioning that President Carter approved and assisted Hillary in her career efforts is not likely to earn them a vote. Beating that Carter horse ain't gonna get them anywhere fast.

Dakarʒ · May 14, 2007, 08:31 AM

He also left out the parts where, though he talks about why he married her, he also had multiple extramarital affairs.

You don't sound that open-minded.

Atheist · May 14, 2007, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by ♥

I'm open minded. I'm willing to give some thought to a Democratic contender for president, even though I'm Republican. I vote the person, not the party.

I think your being a little disingenuous when you say you are a Republican and then claim you vote the person. But back to the topic at hand. I think Bill should steer clear of Hillary's election campaign. It's more of a distraction than anything.

Furthermore, does anyone else find the Hillary phenomenon surreal at best? The wife of a recent former president running for president. And this while the son of a former president is now in office? Nepotism at it's finest. With 300 million people, can't Americans come up with more choices? Imagine if this were to have happened in Russia. Most Americans would presume only corruption and deceit could result in something so weird. Yet when it happens here, it's treated as business-as-usual. Meh... I'm finding fewer and fewer reasons to return to the States.

Dakarʒ · May 14, 2007, 09:24 AM

The most interesting part of the Hillary phenomenon, is how her perceived future (Democratic Presidential Nominee) doesn't jibe with perceived public opinion (No one seems to love or like her, really).

besson3c · May 14, 2007, 10:07 AM

I hope that as time presses on, we talk about important things such as her voting record, rather than our gut feelings about how genuine she is and all that.

Dakarʒ · May 14, 2007, 10:10 AM

Did anyone even mention anything about their perception of her being genuine?

OldManMac · May 14, 2007, 11:35 AM

She won't get the nomination in any event. She's too polarizing and she's nothing but an opportunist.

♥ · May 14, 2007, 12:16 PM

Hey, KarlG, you hit the nail on the head in both counts.

BRussell · May 14, 2007, 12:29 PM

I think they're just being explicit about what everyone already knows anyway.

Originally Posted by KarlG

She won't get the nomination in any event. She's too polarizing and she's nothing but an opportunist.

Wait, you're saying a polarizing oppotunist won't get the nomination?

OldManMac · May 14, 2007, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by BRussell

I think they're just being explicit about what everyone already knows anyway.

Wait, you're saying a polarizing oppotunist won't get the nomination?

I'm saying that I believe that Al Gore is going to jump in later on, just as Newt stated today that there is a "great possibility" that he's going to run later. http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Politics/s...298&page=1

We still have a long time until the election, and I think that a lot of people assumed that everyone who's running now is all that are ever going to run. I don't think so. I don't think Hillary is electable. I'm as "liberal" as you can get, except for abortion and gun control, and I'd have a hard time voting for her.

BRussell · May 14, 2007, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by ♥

Halfway through Bill's plugs for Hillary, he then takes a few moments to talk about his own "public service" including giving a brief rundown of his own C.V. in public service. I found this detracted greatly from the video, because, in essence, he seems to be saying that voting for Hillary is like voting for him (Bill). Why does he feel the need to tout his own persona?

Eh, I just watched it, and saw the part you're talking about. You're really imagining things. That was a 5-minute video, and when he said "now that she's in the senate and I'm in public service, working on aids and public development around the world, I still meet people who tell me how much her speech meant to them..." The part where he gave a "brief rundown of his own CV," as you call it, was about 2 1/2 seconds long. He was explaining why he sees people in Africa and around the world who were influenced by Hillary's involvement around the world when she was first lady. That's just really, really, insanely nit-picky.

goMac · May 15, 2007, 12:36 AM

I'm still rooting for Obama. If there was a Hillary as Pres, and Obama as VP ticket, I'd probably accept it.

That said, if Gore entered the race, he'd have my full support.

ebuddy · May 15, 2007, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by Atheist

Furthermore, does anyone else find the Hillary phenomenon surreal at best? The wife of a recent former president running for president. And this while the son of a former president is now in office? Nepotism at it's finest. With 300 million people, can't Americans come up with more choices? Imagine if this were to have happened in Russia. Most Americans would presume only corruption and deceit could result in something so weird. Yet when it happens here, it's treated as business-as-usual. Meh... I'm finding fewer and fewer reasons to return to the States.

There are plenty of choices, just not good ones. We end up defaulting to some strange "political blood line" of sorts. We did this with the Kennedy's also. Very odd I agree. This shouldn't keep you from returning to the States though.

RobOnTheCape · May 15, 2007, 01:17 PM

It looks like it could be a very interesting race. Gore could skip this year of campaigning for the Dems, Newt the same for the Repubs(though I don't see him having the same jump into the race clout as Gore), and now we have Bloomberg who could pony up 1 billion dollars of his own cash to run as an independent. An article this morning quoted a pundit of some sort describing Bloomberg as "Perot on steroids".

This could actually start to get interesting.

smacintush · May 15, 2007, 01:42 PM

Well Republicans won't exactly turn out in droves for a RINO like Bloomberg, so if has any strength in '08 he may become the Dems' Perot…IF the GOP has a real conservative NON-neocon nominee.

BRussell · May 15, 2007, 02:05 PM

Yeah it's hard to see a Bloomberg or Hagel independent ticket being necessary when most of the leading Republicans are already pretty much moderate Republicans to begin with. I could more easily see someone like Rudy being nominated, and then a religious conservative running as a third party.

♥ · May 15, 2007, 03:17 PM

I'm a Republican and I won't vote for Giuliani. He's a great mayor, but a president? Nah, don't think so. To tell the truth, not impressed with any of the so-called candidates, to be honest.