[sek929]

Originally Posted by peeb 

I love these conversations.

I miss abe...

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by sek929 

That's actually NOT AT ALL what I was saying. I was agreeing with you that 90% of heavy vehicle owners don't need them. I was pointing out what kind of people do actually need them, people like me.

I wonder how quick the Big Three would change their bribing/lobbying for SUVs if States started requiring proof of employment for "work" vehicles under a certain MPG. If you want a huge traditional diesel or gasoline pickup or SUV that only gets 12 MPG, you have to be employed in construction, forestry, custodial, agriculture, or related field that actually requires that kind of vehicle. Otherwise, you need to pay a tax to offset the cost of cleaning up after you.

Outside of the United States, you can get reasonably efficient AWD/4WD vehicles. Wouldn't surprise me if you could get them in the States as well, but I haven't seen any.

[subego]

Originally Posted by sek929 

I miss abe...

If you're serious, I'm with you. If you ain't, that's a cheap shot.

[subego]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

I wonder how quick the Big Three would change their bribing/lobbying for SUVs if States started requiring proof of employment for "work" vehicles under a certain MPG.

I think you have the cart before the horse there.

[peeb]

Ole pigeon, I think that simply paying for ALL road transport related costs (construction, policing, maintenance, eminent domain, environmental cleanup, medical care from pollution and road accidents etc etc) from gas taxes only would help a lot. It would certainly help people to understand the true costs of roads.

[sek929]

Have you seen Ford Explorers recently? Light Truck my ass!

My Sonoma is a light truck, and still averages 17MPG. If I worked at a desk my CAR would get 30+mpg.

What peeves me is the lack of viable Diesel options on the monstrous SUVs. Not only will it give you ungodly amounts of torque, but it gets better MPG than a big V8 or V10...which is another point of mine... V10, are you ****ing retarded? Whoever owns a V10 truck might as well go shoot themselves right now for not buying a diesel. Less torque and a MPG that would make a H2 owner wince.

[sek929]

Originally Posted by subego 

If you're serious, I'm with you. If you ain't, that's a cheap shot.

I've never seen eye to eye with Abe on, well, just about everything...but I would trade peeb out for him any day of the week. At least you could disagree with Abe on the grounds of a solid argument, with peeb I'd just rather he not respond to anything.

[peeb]

Because you get smacked down every time you post nonsense? If you can't take the heat, stop posting before you've thought things through.

[Dakar the Fourth]

Originally Posted by sek929 

At least you could disagree with Abe on the grounds of a solid argument, with peeb I'd just rather he not respond to anything.

Did you miss the latter part of abe's career where he switched to mocking people and dodging points rather than addressing them?

Edit: peeb's post above is a fantastic impression of abe's posts in the twilight of his PL career (sans winky).

[sek929]

See what I mean? Not only have I not said anything that has even been remotely 'smacked down,' I was actually agreeing with this dolt and he still attacks me.

[sek929]

Originally Posted by Dakar the Fourth 

Did you miss the latter part of abe's career where he switched to mocking people and dodging points rather than addressing them?

He's always been condescending and artful at the dodge. I didn't say I love Abe, but I'd rather have him in here than peeb.

[peeb]

I'm sorry Sek, I was thinking of this post, most recently, where you responded to my satire of people jumping to explain why they needed a huge truck with an explanation of why you need a huge truck. It made me laugh.

Originally Posted by sek929 

That's actually NOT AT ALL what I was saying.... I was pointing out what kind of people do actually need them, people like me.

[Dakar the Fourth]

Originally Posted by sek929 

He's always been condescending and artful at the dodge. I didn't say I love Abe, but I'd rather have him in here than peeb.

And while I didn't agree with it, it was a playful part of his style early on, but at the end, it seemed like he was doing it to purposefully spite and stymie anyone who was trying to poke holes in his (purposely) ridiculous logic.

[sek929]

Originally Posted by peeb 

I'm sorry Sek, I was thinking of this post, most recently, where you responded to my satire of people jumping to explain why they needed a huge truck with an explanation of why you need a huge truck. It made me laugh.

So you just skipped over the part that was relevant to your previous statements?

I knew If I came in here talking about how I like to use my 4x4 somebody would accuse me of not needing it. Instead we got this ridiculous back-and-forth.

[G Barnett]

Soooo, out of curiosity, why aren't folks who want dimmable fixtures looking into low-power LED bulbs instead of fluorescents? They've typically got better & whiter light, should be easier to dim, and are far longer-lasting than fluorescents. Even better, they don't flicker at that damnable 60hz (which I can see in my peripheral vision -- gives me headaches at times).

[peeb]

My point was that in any discussion of things that we can do as a society to reduce emissions, someone will leap in and say "But I can't do that!". You were right on cue.

[peeb]

Originally Posted by G Barnett 

Soooo, out of curiosity, why aren't folks who want dimmable fixtures looking into low-power LED bulbs instead of fluorescents? They've typically got better & whiter light, should be easier to dim, and are far longer-lasting than fluorescents. Even better, they don't flicker at that damnable 60hz (which I can see in my peripheral vision -- gives me headaches at times).

I've actually tried LEDs, and the light quality just isn't there yet. Brightness and directionality are both big problems. I use them for small tasks like nightlights on stairs where light quality is not important, but not for room lighting.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

Outside of the United States, you can get reasonably efficient AWD/4WD vehicles. Wouldn't surprise me if you could get them in the States as well, but I haven't seen any.

Who makes a reasonably efficient AWD/4WD?

[sek929]

Originally Posted by G Barnett 

Soooo, out of curiosity, why aren't folks who want dimmable fixtures looking into low-power LED bulbs instead of fluorescents?

The enormous cost increase is my first guess.