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How do you reconcile Adam and Eve with evolution?
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Apr 16, 2008, 03:12 AM
 
How do you reconcile Adam and Eve with evolution?

That's all I want to know..

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Apr 16, 2008, 03:31 AM
 
It's called "Faith". Pure and simple.
     
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Apr 16, 2008, 04:47 AM
 
Originally Posted by Atheist View Post
It's called "Faith". Pure and simple.
What faith? Faith in evolution or faith in Adam/Eve?

If you think evolution of humanity from one-cellers over animals... were fact , and you think the story of Adam and Eve to be real and not just some symbolic tale, how do you reconcile them?

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Apr 16, 2008, 05:54 AM
 
You don't. One is a theory based on evidence the other a myth based on an oral history.
     
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Apr 16, 2008, 06:04 AM
 
You can take my beliefs in Adam and Eve, the Toothfairy and Santy Claws from my cold dead hands.

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Apr 16, 2008, 06:31 AM
 
If the Garden of Eden is not entirely earthly, and if the physical universe is a "real-time" correlate of the thoughts and energies in that primary realm/dimension/plane, then a concurrent evolution of a physical universe and earth system to catch them when they fall makes sense. It would be an inevitable product of the development of these souls.

But there are more interesting and detailed explanations, as well.
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Apr 16, 2008, 07:07 AM
 
You could reconcile it by accepting Genisis (as the rest of your holy book of choice) as a collection of parables instead of taking everything literally.
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Apr 16, 2008, 07:10 AM
 
I can't wait to see this evidence of which you speak.
     
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Apr 16, 2008, 08:16 AM
 
Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
You could reconcile it by accepting Genisis (as the rest of your holy book of choice) as a collection of parables instead of taking everything literally.
Dead on. It is a neat story, but it is only a story. Take something from it, whether you are a devout believer or not.
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Apr 16, 2008, 09:08 AM
 
Various theories propose to reconcile the Genesis creation account with the modern scientific model, if that's what one is interested in. Genesis contains an overview of creation with a focus on its purpose and end result, human beings; it's not supposed to be taken as a comprehensive text book guide to all life. Prior to the creation of humans, time was noted only by God, so it's possible (and theologically supported) for one to contend that His days of creation were much longer than the 24 hour day we know. But it's quite impossible to discuss this topic in a place like this one, where the doctrinal belief in evolution is so strongly ingrained.

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Apr 16, 2008, 09:19 AM
 
If I were religious, I'd think of it this way. The Bible is supposedly the "Word of God" but it was written by men, correct? Therefore, God didn't tell us literally what was happening, because it would be too complex for our limited brains to handle. Instead, he told the writers of the Bible stories that served as lessons that would be easily understandable by humans.

If God had given the original writers of the Bible a (theoretical) unified theory of physics, would they have known what to do with it? No. What if he told us he magically imbued some early proto-humans with souls, and referred to the ones he had selected as Adam and Eve? I'm not sure people would have accepted it, given the extremely limited knowledge of anthropology at the time. He tried to give us information we could actually use.

I don't actually believe in God, but if I did, this is how I think it would have happened. At this point I think we're beyond the point of needing to use the Bible as a scientifically accurate text, though some people can still derive spiritual meaning from it.
     
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Apr 16, 2008, 09:21 AM
 
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Apr 16, 2008, 09:24 AM
 
Personally I don't
The Bible clearly states that we were created in the image of God. There's no way you can reconcile that theology with the theory of evolution.
     
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Apr 16, 2008, 09:25 AM
 
Originally Posted by Luca Rescigno View Post
If I were religious, I'd think of it this way. The Bible is supposedly the "Word of God" but it was written by men, correct?
Many good points, but I wanted to comment on your premise. Christians believe Genesis was given through divine inspiration (I think). Jews believe Genesis was literally given, word for word, from God.

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Apr 16, 2008, 09:52 AM
 
Originally Posted by Big Mac View Post
it's not supposed to be taken as a comprehensive text book guide to all life. Prior to the creation of humans, time was noted only by God, so it's possible (and theologically supported) for one to contend that His days of creation were much longer than the 24 hour day we know.
Or that the method of creation was mere `pottery', I think we can agree that something more sophisticated is needed to make a human, but possibly beyond the grasp of human understanding.
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But it's quite impossible to discuss this topic in a place like this one, where the doctrinal belief in evolution is so strongly ingrained.
Evolution is not a `doctrinal belief,' but a scientific theory that is supported by facts.
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Apr 16, 2008, 09:58 AM
 
Personally, I'm still waiting for all those skeletons of mid-human/apes to surface. I mean, there has to be what, millions of them somewhere, right? We can find dinosaurs six ways to Sunday, but we can't find the mid-evolution creatures?
     
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Apr 16, 2008, 10:05 AM
 
Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
You could reconcile it by accepting Genisis (as the rest of your holy book of choice) as a collection of parables instead of taking everything literally.
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Dead on. It is a neat story, but it is only a story. Take something from it, whether you are a devout believer or not.
FTW.

It's easy to "reconcile" (although I don't see the need) if you don't take the Genesis account literally.
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Apr 16, 2008, 10:11 AM
 
Originally Posted by RAILhead View Post
Personally, I'm still waiting for all those skeletons of mid-human/apes to surface. I mean, there has to be what, millions of them somewhere, right? We can find dinosaurs six ways to Sunday, but we can't find the mid-evolution creatures?
Tons of proto-humans have been found. Ever hear of Lucy? Neanderthals? Homo erectus? Homo habilis? Ever hear of the Leakeys?
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Apr 16, 2008, 10:16 AM
 
Originally Posted by BRussell View Post
Tons of proto-humans have been found. Ever hear of Lucy? Neanderthals? Homo erectus? Homo habilis? Ever hear of the Leakeys?
Apes, mostly (Neanderthals should not be on that list), and heavily distorted by those with strongly preconceived notions.

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Apr 16, 2008, 10:20 AM
 
Tons? How many Australopithecus skeletons have been found?