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Why wont Hillary quit?
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Zeeb
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May 7, 2008 , 08:01 PM
 
I had actually preferred Hillary over Obama for the nomination, but at this point it appears that there is almost no chance that she will get it. Yet, she lends her campaign her own money and continues and has said she will do so until there is a nomination. The only thing she seems to be accomplishing now is to further damage Obama before he comes up against John McCain.

Does she see some possibility that others don't?
     
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May 7, 2008 , 08:03 PM
 
Come on now, mathematical impossibility aside, I think she's still got a decent chance!
     
Zeeb
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May 7, 2008 , 08:11 PM
 
Maybe she's planning to assassinate Obama. lol
     
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May 7, 2008 , 08:17 PM
 
No. She's an overachiever, she'd been sure this would be her year, and she simply can't accept that it didn't turn out that way.

Or maybe she's actually been supporting McCain all along.
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May 7, 2008 , 08:27 PM
 
I think at this point Obama just needs to start acting like he's not running against Hillary anymore. He needs to just pretend like his eventual nomination is a foregone conclusion and not give any attention to Clinton at all. That's basically how things are anyway; there's no way Hillary can win short of a miracle or massive fraud.

It'd be best for the Democratic party in general if Obama started campaigning against a Republican instead of another Democrat for a change.
     
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May 7, 2008 , 08:48 PM
 
maybe because she's behind this guy
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May 7, 2008 , 09:05 PM
 
She will quit within a few weeks. She's running out of money, she cancelled all her talk shows after the last primaries; her team is just deciding how to do it. She has an ego as big as Bill's (and that's saying something), so it's going to be the most painful decision she'll ever make, but even she has to realize that she hasn't got a chance. She's too polarizing.
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May 7, 2008 , 09:10 PM
 
Originally Posted by Luca Rescigno View Post
... there's no way Hillary can win short of a miracle or massive fraud.
No, that could never happen!
     
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May 7, 2008 , 09:20 PM
 
Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
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May 7, 2008 , 10:02 PM
 
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May 7, 2008 , 10:05 PM
 
Originally Posted by OldManMac View Post
She will quit within a few weeks. She's running out of money, she cancelled all her talk shows after the last primaries; her team is just deciding how to do it. She has an ego as big as Bill's (and that's saying something), so it's going to be the most painful decision she'll ever make, but even she has to realize that she hasn't got a chance. She's too polarizing.
I think she's got an ego bigger than Bill's. Not only are her chances extremely slim, but continuing to push makes the chances for the Democratic Party extremely slim.

I think she's too focussed on going down in history as the first woman President of the United States.
     
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May 7, 2008 , 10:06 PM
 
Originally Posted by Zeeb View Post
The only thing she seems to be accomplishing now is to further damage Obama before he comes up against John McCain.
Nah, the only thing she's accomplishing is losing her own pride. She's helping Democrats, not hurting them, IMO. For one thing, they're registering to vote in the gazillions, unlike Republicans. There's plenty of time for MCain.

Does she see some possibility that others don't?
Cheating.
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May 7, 2008 , 10:17 PM
 
Originally Posted by Zeeb View Post
at this point it appears that there is almost no chance that she will get it.
Why is that?
The pledged delegates won't win it for either one of them alone. The fact that super delegates can switch any time they feel like it makes it possible for her pull ahead between now and the convention. People who talk about the "math" are idiots Obama could implode for all we know. One big **** up and his lead could disappear with those super delegates abandoning him.

Given that she's been working towards this goal for most of her life it would be stupid for her to just throw up her hands and walk away. Furthermore, when Obama loses in the fall it all becomes about 2012 and she doesn't want to leave the impression that she is a quitter.

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May 7, 2008 , 10:39 PM
 
She won't quit because this is her only real chance to be President. As long as there is the slimmest hope she will continue.
     
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May 7, 2008 , 10:44 PM
 
Originally Posted by BRussell View Post
For one thing, they're registering to vote in the gazillions, unlike Republicans. There's plenty of time for MCain.
Obviously you've never heard of operation chaos.

Even Obama has credited it.
     
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May 7, 2008 , 10:45 PM
 
Anyone else feel that the Democrats are really fumbling this one? They had the opportunity to really monopolize media by running two campaigns about how much better either of them are than McCain, and arguing about which one is MOST better than McCain. Instead they are tearing each other apart. Missed opportunity.
     
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May 7, 2008 , 10:50 PM
 
Originally Posted by smacintush View Post
Obviously you've never heard of operation chaos.

Even Obama has credited it.
I've heard of it, it happens every primary season, and it's a tiny percentage compared to the massive numbers of genuine new Democrats registering.
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May 7, 2008 , 11:12 PM
 
I made the call yesterday that Hillary would quit within three days. If not three, definitely seven. At this point she risks making herself look like a complete fool. The party's over, and everyone has left besides Hillary. She doesn't mind doing damage if there is a chance she can win, but she isn't delusional and knows everyone has given up.

The question is whether Obama should have her as his VP? It is a tough calculation. Will he need her to get her supporters or is the anger thing just temporary? Is she a really big liability in the election because lots of people don't like her? Would it define him as not being able to be his own man if he goes with the person who beat on him for so long? Would it be better to pick a new face, like Michael Bloomberg?

I don't know how much of this "new politics" Obama really believes and how much is a marketing tool, but I would have to think he would dislike Hillary. She is a dirty player, and will say anything to pander for a vote. Would it really make a difference to install another "nice guy" as VP? Would it be healthier for the Democrats to break the Clintons' powers? It will be interesting to see who he picks for VP.
     
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May 7, 2008 , 11:41 PM
 
She will fight to get the Florida delegate votes, and probably succeed... then she will try to get Michigan as well... thats her only hope.
     
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May 7, 2008 , 11:44 PM
 
Do Democrats have to bribe someone to get the Florida votes, or is that just Republicans?
     
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May 8, 2008 , 12:12 AM
 
Originally Posted by TheWOAT View Post
She will fight to get the Florida delegate votes, and probably succeed... then she will try to get Michigan as well... thats her only hope.
Even with those votes it is not enough..
     
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May 8, 2008 , 12:26 AM
 
Originally Posted by BRussell