[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

Wow, if this a real photo, this kills any chance she has left

Because Clinton wearing a rain coat must mean she is a witch and will melt when she touches water? Is that why she sticks her hand out to check for rain?

[hyteckit]

I honestly don't see why Clinton should quit now. The primaries almost done and June is here in a little over 2 weeks.

Neither Obama or Clinton have enough delegates to win. It's all on the superdelegates. That's what Clinton can hope for. If she can convince that she has a better chance against McCain than Obama does, it might swing the superdelegate votes to her.

[besson3c]

hyteckit: there are predictions that Obama will clinch by June 1st based on the rate of superdelegates that have come out for him lately, as well as add-ons, etc. Today, for instance, he added on another 6.

It is likely that Clinton will conceed on June 4th.

[Chongo]

updated delegate
http://election.cbsnews.com/campaign...rd.shtmltotals

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

updated delegate
http://election.cbsnews.com/campaign...rd.shtmltotals

There are better sources to get delegate totals from, such as:

Democratic Convention 2008
Election 2008: Presidential, Senate and House Races Updated Daily (a summary of several major media outlet delegate totals are at the bottom of this page)

[Big Mac]

I'm impressed by your devotion to Obama, besson, that causes you to respond instantly to most posts to this thread.

[peeb]

7 hours is 'instant'?

[Big Mac]

It seemed like every other post to the two threads on this topic were from besson.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

I'm impressed by your devotion to Obama, besson, that causes you to respond instantly to most posts to this thread.

What does my delegate total URLs have to do with devotion to Obama?

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

It seemed like every other post to the two threads on this topic were from besson.

I guess you are devoted to not making much sense then?

[Chongo]

Obama picked up two more supers this morning, despite Billary's win last night
Clinton's W.Va. victory does little to slow Obama

[Wiskedjak]

Personally, I think Clinton has a better chance of defeating McCain than Obama, but if she continues to fight despite indication that the majority of Democrats don't want her I think neither of them has a chance. More disturbing are the Democrats who vote for Clinton because they believe Obama is a Muslim (and I wouldn't be surprised if they're simultaneously upset about the opinions of his Christian pastor ...)

[peeb]

Are you talking about Saddam Hussein O-Bomber?

[Eug]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak 

Personally, I think Clinton has a better chance of defeating McCain than Obama, but if she continues to fight despite indication that the majority of Democrats don't want her I think neither of them has a chance.

I talked about this before. (Can't remember if it was this thread or another.)

Perhaps she can sabotage Obama's run this way, and then she can go for the Democratic nomination in 2012. (2016 would probably be too late.)

P.S. It will be interesting to see what happens with Florida and Michigan on May 31.

[Chongo]

She will be as almost old as McCain is now in '16

[besson3c]

I honestly don't think that Hillary would stand a better chance against McCain:

1) She voted for the war

2) She cannot use experience as an argument in her favor to draw contrast between the candidates

3) McCain can use her taking money from lobbyists against her

4) Less age and charisma contrast

5) It will be slightly harder to paint McCain as "McSame" when Hillary does stuff such as advocate the gas tax holiday like McCain, or say that McCain has "crossed the threshold" necessary to make that 3 AM phone call when it comes to national security (or whatever it was that she said)

6) Her disregard of certain states

7) Her difficulties running her campaign

[vmarks]

Why should Hillary quit?

Obama hasn't been able to trump her well enough to get her out of the race. Why can't he seal the deal?

(1) is not a weakness. You need someone who knows more about foreign policy and defense than proposing to talk with Iran, firing someone in the campaign who talks with Hamas before you're elected, and threatening to bomb Pakistan for no real reason, and then taking back that threat. -- Seriously, her husband also bombed Iraq based on the best knowledge he had at the time, and despite the willingness to re-write history, isn't it just possible that her vote for the war was based upon her best knowledge at the time?

(2) Her experience is about nil. John McCain's experience is in violating the Constitution, saying he doesn't need the first amendment, and claiming he was getting the money out of politics. Take your pic.

(3) McCain can use her taking money from lobbyists (and China) against her, but McCain's hypocrisy over 'money in politics' can be used against him. Does Clinton have the judo to do it?

(4) Funny thing, charisma. If that's all it took, we'd get more hollywood in our elections.

(5) Johnson: It's time someone had the courage to stand up and say: I'm
against those things that everybody hates!
Jackson: Now, I respect my opponent. I think he's a good man. But,
quite frankly, I agree with everything he just said!
Fry: These are the candidates? They sound like clones.
[Squints] Wait a minute. They are clones!
Leela: Don't let their identical DNA fool you. They differ on some
key issues.
Johnson: I say your three cent titanium tax goes too far!
Jackson: And I say your three cent titanium tax doesn't go too far
enough!

(6) Don't worry, the American public always forgets.
We're nice and amnesiac that way.

(7) Again, Obama can't seem to beat her so much that she is forced out of the race. Why is that?

[besson3c]

Well:

1) People know who Hillary is, knew that Bill Clinton did a good job, and naturally assume that voting for Hillary would be a two-for-one

2) Some are swayed by her experience over change arguments

3) Some simply want a woman in office. My mother in law is like this. Some may not want a black man in office

4) Some might put value in the assorted gaffes: Obama being a muslim, his middle name, Wright, etc. There is not so much difference between the two on the positions alone for this to separate them, one of these issues might be enough to push them towards Clinton

5) Some might have fallen for Hillary's electability argument (which is silly, Obama has won over plenty of blue collar whites in other states)

There are all just theories though, of course. I can't account for people's voting preferences... After all, we elected Bush twice! However, I think I can make a good case against Hillary, as I've attempted to do. I do like her okay and think that she would probably do a pretty good job, I just think that Obama would be a stronger choice overall.

[Chongo]

We can also also ask the questions "Why can't Hillary get past Obama? Why didn't she close the deal after New Hampshire?"

[zerostar]

I think her major swing in attitude is a clear indication it is over and she knows it. I think that saying "voting for McCain over Obama would be a grave mistake" is clearly a bid for the VP slot. I don't think she will get it though

[besson3c]

I don't think she wants it either. She would have more power and possibly even influence as senate majority leader.