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ironknee · Jun 10, 2009, 01:36 PM

I am a citizen of...

Doofy · Jun 10, 2009, 02:13 PM

This poll is seriously flawed - it has no option of "my country" for those not in the US nor an option of "Doofness" for those of us who're properly in the know.

ghporter · Jun 10, 2009, 02:25 PM

An "all of the above" would have been nice too. I am a citizen of my city, county, state and nation. I vote in city, county, state, and national elections because I take my citizenship seriously. The only reason I have a passport is that going outside the boundaries of my nation puts me in a situation that isn't always benign, and it's important to be able to prove where "home" is. I should also note that Soviet "citizens" had to have passports for travel inside the Soviet Union, so the passport distinction isn't a very strong one.

ironknee · Jun 10, 2009, 02:31 PM

can i update this poll?

turtle777 · Jun 10, 2009, 02:35 PM

Oh, is it useless poll time, again ?

-t

shifuimam · Jun 10, 2009, 02:40 PM

Apparently. I don't even get what this one is trying to find out.

Incidentally, I'm a citizen of both the United States and Great Britain. Go me.

Doofy · Jun 10, 2009, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by shifuimam

Incidentally, I'm a citizen of both the United States and Great Britain.

Brit parent?

turtle777 · Jun 10, 2009, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by shifuimam

Incidentally, I'm a citizen of both the United States and Great Britain. Go me.

Oh teh noes, Doofy will get the hots for you

-t

Doofy · Jun 10, 2009, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by turtle777

Oh teh noes, Doofy will get the hots for you

No.

Doof might wonder why Shif puts up with the IRS if she doesn't have to.

turtle777 · Jun 10, 2009, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

No.

Doof might wonder why Shif puts up with the IRS if she doesn't have to.

What do you mean ?

She HAS to, since she is a US citizen.

-t

Doofy · Jun 10, 2009, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by turtle777

What do you mean ?

She HAS to, since she is a US citizen.

Good point. I forgot about that "we own you" stuff which they pull. That'll serve me right for posting while I'm hopped up on lasagne.

turtle777 · Jun 10, 2009, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Good point. I forgot about that "we own you" stuff which they pull. That'll serve me right for posting while I'm hopped up on lasagne.

Well, it's even worse. As a US citizen (and as a green card holder as well), you are subject to the IRS with ALL your WORLDWIDE income.

Even if you leave the country and live somewhere else. It totally sucks.

-t

Doofy · Jun 10, 2009, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by turtle777

Well, it's even worse. As a US citizen (and as a green card holder as well), you are subject to the IRS with ALL your WORLDWIDE income.

Even if you leave the country and live somewhere else. It totally sucks.

Yeah, that's what I meant by "they own you". Even more so now you've got the exit tax in place for those wanting to lose their US citizenship.

turtle777 · Jun 10, 2009, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Yeah, that's what I meant by "they own you". Even more so now you've got the exit tax in place for those wanting to lose their US citizenship.

Yes, but only if your networth is a couple of million $$$.

-t

shifuimam · Jun 10, 2009, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Brit parent?

Yep.

I'd like to get a British passport, but the cost of doing so is likely going to be prohibitive.

mattyb · Jun 10, 2009, 04:43 PM

Originally Posted by shifuimam

Yep.

I'd like to get a British passport, but the cost of doing so is likely going to be prohibitive.

Don't worry, with all that Gordo has spent over the past few years, the Brit government will find you soon. And get you to pay towards putting the country back on track financially.

turtle777 · Jun 10, 2009, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by mattyb

Don't worry, with all that Gordo has spent over the past few years, the Brit government will find you soon. And get you to pay towards putting the country back on track financially.

Double whammy.

Pay towards putting the US and GB back on track financially.

-t

OldManMac · Jun 10, 2009, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Doofy

No.

Doof might wonder why Shif puts up with the IRS if she doesn't have to.

You don't have to pay taxes?

ghporter · Jun 10, 2009, 05:58 PM

Originally Posted by ironknee

can i update this poll?

You can't edit it, but we can. Or, since the rails for this particular train seem to have been ripped up, you could start another poll.

I'd suggest following Doofy's point about "my country" as well as thinking clearly about exactly what information you want the poll to generate. If it's in the PWL, you're apparently thinking of it generating "contentious" stuff...

Doofy · Jun 10, 2009, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by OldManMac

You don't have to pay taxes?

I don't think you realise just how invasive your IRS is when compared to the tax-gatherers in other countries...

I move to the BVI, I pay no taxes. You move to the BVI, you still have to pay Uncle Sam his federal taxes.

Chuckit · Jun 10, 2009, 06:05 PM

I really don't. Can you elaborate?

Doofy · Jun 10, 2009, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

I really don't. Can you elaborate?

Is that directed at my last post?

ironknee · Jun 10, 2009, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by ghporter

You can't edit it, but we can. Or, since the rails for this particular train seem to have been ripped up, you could start another poll.

I'd suggest following Doofy's point about "my country" as well as thinking clearly about exactly what information you want the poll to generate. If it's in the PWL, you're apparently thinking of it generating "contentious" stuff...

thanks, i think i will kill this post... and maybe start again...

btw, wouldn't "all of the above" mean answer A?

Shaddim · Jun 10, 2009, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by shifuimam

Apparently. I don't even get what this one is trying to find out.

He didn't like my comment that I'm proud to be a citizen of the state of Tennessee but really don't care much for the USA as a whole.

ironknee · Jun 10, 2009, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by Shaddim

He didn't like my comment that I'm proud to be a citizen of the state of Tennessee but really don't care much for the USA as a whole.

i flew over tennessee once... beautiful from the air

ghporter · Jun 10, 2009, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by ironknee

btw, wouldn't "all of the above" mean answer A?

I personally believe that there's a quantum step from "all of the above" and "citizen of the world." For example, world travel might be useful to get a feel for some parts of a country or two, but actually "living" in those countries would be much better. I've "lived" in three countries, but I've visited (counts on his fingers...) at least five others. Those visits didn't really give me a sense of what it's like for a citizen of those countries. In one though, I did get that sense; I have in-laws who have relatives there, so spending time with "the cousins" gave me an opportunity to really understand life there.

shifuimam · Jun 10, 2009, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by Shaddim

He didn't like my comment that I'm proud to be a citizen of the state of Tennessee but really don't care much for the USA as a whole.

It wouldn't surprise me if most American citizens have a similar attitude - and really, why is that a bad thing? I don't want my tax dollars paying for some social program in Los Angeles, and personally, I couldn't give two shits about that city - or California as a whole. I'm far more interested in things that actually impact me directly - e.g. what's going on in my city, my county, and my state.

ironknee · Jun 10, 2009, 10:14 PM

Originally Posted by shifuimam

It wouldn't surprise me if most American citizens have a similar attitude - and really, why is that a bad thing? I don't want my tax dollars paying for some social program in Los Angeles, and personally, I couldn't give two shits about that city - or California as a whole. I'm far more interested in things that actually impact me directly - e.g. what's going on in my city, my county, and my state.

california is part of our country

Shaddim · Jun 10, 2009, 11:31 PM

Originally Posted by ironknee

i flew over tennessee once... beautiful from the air

I've been to NY, nice.... statue. I guess.

Shaddim · Jun 10, 2009, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by ironknee

california is part of our country

She said county, not country.

Besides, you can claim them, I won't.

turtle777 · Jun 11, 2009, 12:03 AM

Originally Posted by ironknee

california is part of our country

Isn't that ironkneec.

Well, your reading abilities fit your views.

-t

ebuddy · Jun 11, 2009, 05:40 AM

Originally Posted by turtle777

Well, your reading abilities fit your views.

What is your obsession with shoes?!?

ebuddy · Jun 11, 2009, 05:46 AM

At first, I thought the poll was to isolate nationalists. I love my country. I love my city and my State. I want what's best for it and I'm not certain this is a shared opinion. I see us moving towards a philosophy that other nations are abandoning. I regard myself a citizen of my country that would afford rights, autonomy, and the provision of defense to the State, which provides for my City and my contributions likewise roll back through.

I was actually looking for the option- "People's Republic of Amerika"

Face Ache · Jun 13, 2009, 03:58 AM

I'm a citizen of a country I last saw 33 years ago.