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Dork. · Oct 22, 2009, 07:28 AM

See, I told you September was too early to judge his Presidency. Apparently October is OK, just ask the Norwegians.

hyteckit · Oct 22, 2009, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by Shaddim

Hell, everyone knows that you're more likely to get raped by Bill Clinton than you are by anyone in either of those companies.

Everyone knows you're more likely to get raped at church than by Bill Clinton and those companies combined.

BadKosh · Oct 22, 2009, 05:06 PM

I'm waiting to see if 0bama EVER makes a decision. So far it's been a continual campaign and the associated lies and broken promises.

besson3c · Oct 22, 2009, 05:12 PM

Translation: you are waiting to see if he makes a decision you *like*. The stimulus bill was a pretty big decision, no?

ironknee · Oct 22, 2009, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by turtle777

No bailouts
No cheap money from the Fed (i.e. low interest rates)
No mingling of the government in the housing market
No mingling of the government in the student loan market
No quantitative easing
No increase of government bureaucracies and spending
No tax hikes

See above.

-t

hey turtle

so if you, or peter, where president instead of bush back in september of 2008, you would have done nothing?

ebuddy · 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Translation: you are waiting to see if he makes a decision you *like*. The stimulus bill was a pretty big decision, no?

This Administration repeatedly blames Bush for all its problems, but never gives him credit for their policies.

besson3c · Oct 23, 2009, 12:21 AM

Another pointless partisan swipe. Play it again, Sam.

turtle777 · Oct 23, 2009, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by ironknee

hey turtle

so if you, or peter, where president instead of bush back in september of 2008, you would have done nothing?

If by "nothing", you mean letting unsound and corrupt businesses fail, then yes.

If by "nothing", you mean making sure that the US$ doesn't get debased, then yes.

If by "nothing", you mean giving money to sound businesses that spend their money wisely, and create jobs, instead of splurging on huge pay packages for corrupt CEOs that are in bed with DC, then yes.

-t

BadKosh · Oct 23, 2009, 08:20 AM

The bailouts and tampering with wages and compensation is all unconstitutional. The TARP bill was JUST to buy up toxic loans. The 0bama admin has abused this and continues to ignore the constitution.

BadKosh · Oct 23, 2009, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Translation: you are waiting to see if he makes a decision you *like*. The stimulus bill was a pretty big decision, no?

You don't think 0bama is having his strings pulled by others like Emmanuel, Pelosi, Reid, etc?

ebuddy · Oct 23, 2009, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Another pointless partisan swipe. Play it again, Sam.

Coming from you, partisan pointlessness knows no bounds. You probably don't like it because it's true. Can you tell me how the Obama Administration has differed in its economic policy from Bush's economic policy? Yet, they insist on blaming Bush for the problems while continuing to use his solutions.

besson3c · Oct 23, 2009, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by BadKosh

You don't think 0bama is having his strings pulled by others like Emmanuel, Pelosi, Reid, etc?

I'm not sure how this relates to the point I made?

besson3c · Oct 23, 2009, 10:31 AM

Originally Posted by ebuddy

Coming from you, partisan pointlessness knows no bounds. You probably don't like it because it's true. Can you tell me how the Obama Administration has differed in its economic policy from Bush's economic policy? Yet, they insist on blaming Bush for the problems while continuing to use his solutions.

Well, for starters, the health care plan they are working on is supposed to be deficit neutral, unlike Bush's prescription bill thing...

turtle777 · Oct 23, 2009, 10:44 AM

Seriously, you can't believe this to be true.

First off, when has a government program *ever* been profitable or creating cost savings?

Secondly, were talking politicians saying they understand economy and economic issues better than anyone else. When has this ever been proven true?

Anyone believing that government healthcare will save a single dime is naive beyond help.

P.S. What i'm sayin is true for *all* politicians, no matter what party affiliation.

-t

besson3c · Oct 23, 2009, 10:48 AM

Why would it be naive? We're bleeding money like crazy with our current system, are you trying to say that this is simply inevitable?

turtle777 · Oct 23, 2009, 10:55 AM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Why would it be naive? We're bleeding money like crazy with our current system, are you trying to say that this is simply inevitable?

No. I'm saying that more government involvement has never resulted in lower cost and better service. It's defying gravity to think so.

-t

besson3c · Oct 23, 2009, 11:07 AM

That's a very repetitive refrain, Turtle.

As long as the government is in the business of providing some sort of health care, be it our current Medicare or anything else, there is most certainly room for improvement in terms of our costs. Whether they can deliver on deficit neutralness, I don't know, but I appreciate the fact that they are trying (or at least paying lip service to the idea). This would be consistent with your desires too, short of abandoning government involvement in health care altogether which is not on the table right now.

turtle777 · Oct 23, 2009, 11:22 AM

All that nice, wishful thinking aside, the current proposal will achieve nothing in terms of making it any better. But i'll spare you the facts, you wouldn't believe it anyways.

-t

BadKosh · Oct 23, 2009, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

I'm not sure how this relates to the point I made?

Perhaps he STILL hasn't made a decision himself. Jeez.

BadKosh · Oct 23, 2009, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

I'm not sure how this relates to the point I made?

You think you made a point?

BadKosh · Oct 23, 2009, 12:52 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

That's a very repetitive refrain, Turtle.

As long as the government is in the business of providing some sort of health care, be it our current Medicare or anything else, there is most certainly room for improvement in terms of our costs. Whether they can deliver on deficit neutralness, I don't know, but I appreciate the fact that they are trying (or at least paying lip service to the idea). This would be consistent with your desires too, short of abandoning government involvement in health care altogether which is not on the table right now.

Don't you realize they will hire sub-contractors?? The gov't folk you are paying for will just pass the paperwork to them. You've added another layer of admins that DON'T actually treat you. Do you even know how government really works?

BadKosh · Oct 23, 2009, 12:55 PM

I'm waiting for the lawsuits against the illegal policies and actions of the 0bama admin to start. Lets see how well they fare in court.

olePigeon · Oct 23, 2009, 01:14 PM

The health care bill didn't pass, by the way. If anyone noticed. It is being reintroduced under a different bill, though.

olePigeon · Oct 23, 2009, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by BadKosh

I'm waiting for the lawsuits against the illegal policies and actions of the 0bama admin to start. Lets see how well they fare in court.

Why, did they divide by zero?

olePigeon · Oct 23, 2009, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by turtle777

It's defying gravity to think so.

If there's one thing I've learned about America, is that scientific theories don't mean anything. Trust me, defying gravity is not an issue.

besson3c · Oct 23, 2009, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by turtle777

All that nice, wishful thinking aside, the current proposal will achieve nothing in terms of making it any better. But i'll spare you the facts, you wouldn't believe it anyways.

-t

You'll notice this is tangential to my point I made to ebuddy. What is it about my posts that have launch pad written all over them?

besson3c · Oct 23, 2009, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by BadKosh

Don't you realize they will hire sub-contractors?? The gov't folk you are paying for will just pass the paperwork to them. You've added another layer of admins that DON'T actually treat you. Do you even know how government really works?

It's pretty cool how my posts are not only often launch pads into other rants that have very little to do with what I just said, but how often a single post can be a launch pad into totally separate rants!

Hey, at least I'm efficient that way.

Uncle Skeleton · Oct 23, 2009, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by turtle777

when has a government program *ever* been profitable or creating cost savings?

Municipal power utilities have been significantly cheaper than when they were handed off to the private sector (remember Enron?). The same for water, sewage and garbage.

olePigeon · Oct 23, 2009, 03:35 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Hey, at least I'm efficient that way.

Join the Non Sequitur Club!

"We may not make sense, but we like pizza!"

Dork. · Oct 23, 2009, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by olePigeon

The health care bill didn't pass, by the way. If anyone noticed. It is being reintroduced under a different bill, though.

Um, no. All that hashappened so far is that a few bills have been approved by their respective committees, at least two that I am aware of in the Senate and one in the House. There has been no bill that "didn't pass" yet because none of the bills have gotten that far.

This "different bill" you refer to is the Senate leadership trying to reconcile their two bills.

ebuddy · Oct 23, 2009, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Well, for starters, the health care plan they are working on is supposed to be deficit neutral, unlike Bush's prescription bill thing...

... something they are working on is supposed to be...

Let's see if it gets whittled down to Bushcare by the time it's done. The only thing that produces tangible "funding" of any of this is the arrangement with PhRMA.

besson3c · Oct 24, 2009, 04:12 PM

Uncle Skeleton · Oct 24, 2009, 04:57 PM

I don't get it

Dork. · Oct 24, 2009, 05:05 PM

That is the Official Presidential Family Portrait for 2009.

besson3c · Oct 24, 2009, 05:25 PM

It's a picture of Obama and his family.

Uncle Skeleton · Oct 24, 2009, 07:31 PM

Why did you post it?

besson3c · Oct 24, 2009, 07:46 PM

I think it's a nice picture. Do you like it?

Uncle Skeleton · Oct 24, 2009, 08:01 PM

So... the thread title was a bald-faced lie?

besson3c · Oct 24, 2009, 08:06 PM

On page 1 I came out of my thick foggy state and saw the light once again. I now believe that Obama is the Black Jesus once again. I also don't really think that you are a skeleton.

CreepDogg · Oct 24, 2009, 11:16 PM

But he IS your uncle?

besson3c · Oct 25, 2009, 12:24 AM

Well, there's this guy I always see in town who tells me that Bob is my uncle and then punches me in the face. I'm starting to believe him.

ebuddy · Oct 25, 2009, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton

So... the thread title was a bald-faced lie?

besson's done here, but he doesn't want to leave; kinda like how the kids sometimes want to hang out in the kitchen under your feet and stuff, but they don't want to actually do anything.

BadKosh · Oct 25, 2009, 08:14 AM

Is that him in his Halloween costume? Looks like a troll to me.

besson3c · Oct 25, 2009, 02:00 PM

How could I be in the kitchen and under your feet? That would mean you'd be walking all over me. What kid would want that? Not me.

ebuddy · Oct 25, 2009, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

How could I be in the kitchen and under your feet? That would mean you'd be walking all over me.

An eagle comes swooping down from the sky and snatches a mouse; swallows him whole. A while later, the mouse sticks its head out of the eagle's butt and asks, "How high up are we?"

"Oh, About 2000 feet." says the eagle.

The mouse replies, "You ain't sh*ttin' me, are you?"

besson3c · Oct 25, 2009, 08:57 PM

Please stay on topic ebuddy, this thread is not about shitting eagles.

If I had a nickel for every time I've had to say that....

BadKosh · Oct 25, 2009, 10:29 PM

We wouldn't **** you....You're our favorite turd.

Dork. · Oct 25, 2009, 10:34 PM

We missed our chance to make a thread about shitty Eagles last week, anyway....

besson3c · Oct 25, 2009, 11:43 PM

Hey Dork.,

Who is that guy in your signature? Is he your Dad?

Dork. · Oct 26, 2009, 07:25 AM

Whoever he is, his disguise isn't fooling anyone.