[Orion27]

Just following the money. Al Gore, Maurice Strong, Goldman Sachs and Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson.
Just who is funding Global Warming Science?

Gore strong obama chicago climate exchange 033109
Maurice Strong

[SpaceMonkey]

Reading conservative-activist press articles about liberal organizations is almost as much fun as reading RightWeb or other such sites.

[ort888]

Was that written in English or translated by babbelfish or something?

Yikes.

[Orion27]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

Reading conservative-activist press articles about liberal organizations is almost as much fun as reading RightWeb or other such sites.

I didn't choose a site because it leaned in any political direction. Hank Paulson was Bush's Treasury Secretary. I'm asking a question and connecting names on who founded the Chicago Climate Exchange. After all it is free enterprise right? Is that strictly a far right notion? Obviously not, given the founders of the exchange. I'm just saying I think there is more here than "climate change science". Al Gore after all is the AGM theory's most high profile promotor. I don't read much in the press about just who is involved in these money schemes. Just sayin'. This may not be news to you but I'm embarrassed to say it was to me. I think ties to the Federal Reserve is notable. As are ties to Goldman Sachs who just happen to be a Reserve Bank and control the regulatory process.

[Orion27]

Originally Posted by ort888 

Was that written in English or translated by babbelfish or something?

Yikes.

Care to comment on Strong? I'm open minded. Or perhaps you never heard of him?

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by Orion27 

I didn't choose a site because it leaned in any political direction. Hank Paulson was Bush's Treasury Secretary. I'm asking a question and connecting names on who founded the Chicago Climate Exchange. After all it is free enterprise right? Is that strictly a far right notion? Obviously not, given the founders of the exchange. I'm just saying I think there is more here than "climate change science". Al Gore after all is the the AGM theory's most high profile promotor. I don't read mush in the press about just who is involved in these money schemes. Just sayin'. This may not be news to you but I'm embarrassed to say it was to me. I think ties to the Federal Reserve is notable. As are ties to Goldman Sachs who just happen to be Reserve Bank and control the regulatory process.

My complaint about the article is the same I would have about the many conspiracy theories on the internet about organizations like the Council on Foreign Relations. It notes connections among individuals and organizations but betrays complete ignorance about the nature of those relationships, relying on the assumptions (partisan or otherwise conspiracy-minded) of its readers to fill in the blanks about their supposedly nefarious motives. The basic idea here is that I'm supposed to be troubled that funders/founders/proponents of a carbon exchange program were individuals and organizations concerned about global warming, and who knew each other? Color me shocked! I could expose similar "scandals" in just about every other industry on the planet.

The only thing in that article I can find to be at all troublesome is the possibility of insider-trading by Strong. But greed in itself doesn't imply any kind of political motive, or tell us anything about the validity or invalidity of climate science.

What Federal Reserve ties are you talking about? That's not in the article.

[ort888]

Originally Posted by Orion27 

Care to comment on Strong? I'm open minded. Or perhaps you never heard of him?

It's not even worth commenting on. You run with the assumption that anything done by Democrats is a sinister plot. I personally don't think these people are smart enough to pull of anything as sinister as most right wing conspiracy nuts seem to think they are trying.

I don't think Al Gore is part of some complicated global conspiracy evil plot to screw over America and big business. I think he's just full of himself and likes to feel important.

And the first sentence of this article either has a typo or is very poorly worded in an attempt to sound more literate. The rest of it reads like it was written by Yoda or something. It's just poorly written and hard to read. That, and the fact that I'm not a foil-hat wearing partisan zealot is why I did nothing more then skim this article.

[Orion27]

Originally Posted by ort888 

It's not even worth commenting on. You run with the assumption that anything done by Democrats is a sinister plot. I personally don't think these people are smart enough to pull of anything as sinister as most right wing conspiracy nuts seem to think they are trying.

I don't think Al Gore is part of some complicated global conspiracy evil plot to screw over America and big business. I think he's just full of himself and likes to feel important.

And the first sentence of this article either has a typo or is very poorly worded in an attempt to sound more literate. The rest of it reads like it was written by Yoda or something. It's just poorly written and hard to read. That, and the fact that I'm not a foil-hat wearing partisan zealot is why I did nothing more then skim this article.

Don't assume I assume. I think the Bankers are apolitical. Think what you like. I'm not interested in the color of the article. I think the fact there is even a Climate Exchange is interesting. The fact it was partnered by these folks makes it more interesting.

[Orion27]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

What Federal Reserve ties are you talking about? That's not in the article.

Wiki:
CCX is 10% owned by Goldman Sachs (GS) and 10% owned by Generation Investment Management (GIM), an investment firm founded & chaired by Al Gore. This firm was co-founded by the former Treasury Secretary under George W. Bush and former Goldman Sachs CEO Hank Paulson. [1]

Chicago Climate Exchange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[SpaceMonkey]

Okay. Leaving aside the issue of the Federal Reserve being a different entity than the Treasury Department, I'm just confused about whether or not you think there are organizational ties/schemes here, and if so what those are. This is part of what I was talking about above. I understand that Hank Paulson is the former Treasury Secretary, and involved in Goldman Sachs and GIM, but does this mean that every organization that Hank Paulson is involved in is part of a plot going all the way back to Obama's position on the board of the Joyce Foundation? Or is Hank Paulson simply interested in market-based solutions to climate change (Or maybe just making money? Or both?) and willing to put his own cash behind something like CCX, along with Al Gore? If so, the dynamics of entrepreneurship deem that he should be financially rewarded, no?

Basically I disagree with the conspiratorial premise of the article you linked to. If that's not your position that's fine, but you did link to it without any commentary on your part, so you can understand why I (and ort888) would assume.

[Orion27]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

Okay. Leaving aside the issue of the Federal Reserve being a different entity than the Treasury Department, I'm just confused about whether or not you think there are organizational ties/schemes here, and if so what those are. This is part of what I was talking about above. I understand that Hank Paulson is the former Treasury Secretary, and involved in Goldman Sachs and GIM, but does this mean that every organization that Hank Paulson is involved in is part of a plot going all the way back to Obama's position on the board of the Joyce Foundation? Or is Hank Paulson simply interested in market-based solutions to climate change (Or maybe just making money? Or both?) and willing to put his own cash behind something like CCX, along with Al Gore? If so, the dynamics of entrepreneurship deem that he should be financially rewarded, no?

Basically I disagree with the conspiratorial premise of the article you linked to. If that's not your position that's fine, but you did link to it without any commentary on your part, so you can understand why I (and ort888) would assume.

Sure. I've never been one to latch onto conspiracies. I concede my quick link was a poor choice. I will say I don't believe Al Gores climate change RX is primarily focused on market solutions. I'm content to see how how the markets and the government react to the current turmoil of the climate debate. And I'm looking a lot closer at current Fed regulatory debate as well. Cap and Trade anyone? Anyone? Sure, and I guess one has to vest one's commission somewhere. Just sayin'

[Doofy]

Oddly enough, Maurice Strong popped onto my radar a few days back (and not through any of the usual channels). The guy smells wrong.

[Orion27]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Oddly enough, Maurice Strong popped onto my radar a few days back (and not through any of the usual channels). The guy smells wrong.

I was hoping ShortCuttoMoncton would help us out. Appears everyone is hiding under their desks.

[ShortcutToMoncton]

I know little to nothing about Strong