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The UN vote (Israel vs Arabs... again)
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Something just occurred to me, and i'm not sure what the laws/regulations/protocols are regarding this issue, and would appreciate it if someone could clarify it.
A brief history:
-1947-ish, the UN votes for the partition of the British Mandate into Jewish and Arab states.
-The vote was democratic and included Muslim nations as well.
-The world, through the U.N., democratically(as outlined by the laws of the U.N.) decided to accept and recognize Israel and Jordan as two sovereign states, correct ?
-Most Arab states refused to 'recognize' the outcome(or at least one part...the non-Muslim part) of that vote, and most refuse to do so today.
Subsequently (the following day) the Muslim states gang up on their Jewish neighbor. What was the response of the U.N. to that attack from sovereign nations(Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Egypt) on another sovereign nation(Israel) ?
But my main question(s) is....
-is it permissible for countries to not recognize a vote by the U.N. ? In this case the partition of Palestine ?
-if most of these Arab countries do not recognize Israel, how do they seem to be able to vote, in the general assembly, on issues regarding the country they refuse to recognize ? Not to mention campaign, in the U.N., against a country they refuse to have normal relations with ?(despite not sharing borders with it).
It's kind of a hypocrisy, imo, and probably should not be permitted.
Can anyone clarify this?
Cheers
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Yeah, some clarification is needed:
-Transjordan was split off from the Mandate by Britain in 1928 to reward the Hashemite family for their service WWI. Therefore, technically the Arabs were granted "Palestine" then, and they got 70% of the Mandate land, thereby violating the terms of the Mandate which provided for the right of Jewish settlement of all parts of the Mandate land. (Jordan should have been called Palestine, but the Jordanian royalty did not/does not want the country to become Palestine; in addition, for decades after Jordan's creation Arabs rejected the term Palestine as Jewish propaganda.)
-The General Assembly voted 33 to 13 in favor of a second partition of the remaining 30% of the Mandate west of the Jordan, with the Arabs getting the best territory and the Israelis accepting mostly desert. The existing Arab countries were included and voted against.
-The world through the UN decided to accept a tiny Jewish country and a second Arab country carved out of the remaining 30%, while the Arabs rejected the deal and five Arab countries sent their "conquering Arab armies" to push the Jews to the sea.
-During Israel's War of Independence Transjordan came over the river and illegally occupied Judea, Samaria (wrongly called the West Bank) and Jerusalem. At that point it renamed itself Jordan because in addition to what it was granted beyond (Trans) Jordan it now also held that territory west of the Jordan.
-Is it permissible for countries not to recognize a vote by the UN? Certainly. It's done all the time. UN votes only really have power when they're backed up by the military action of member states.
-Israel does have a cold peace with Egypt and something of a peace with Jordan. The countries that don't recognize Israel but vote against it as if they do are pernicious actors on the world stage. For some decades post-WWII the knowledge and guilt of the Holocaust was fresh in the collective consciousness of the (non-Muslim) world, and Israel was celebrated for a time. But when Israel was victorious in 1967, the Left particularly abandoned it to champion the cause of the new supposed underdog, the Arab occupiers of Israeli land. The world at large no longer has much concern for anti-Israel bias and hatred.
In 1982, Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir wrote that, "reduced to its true proportions, the problem is clearly not the lack of a homeland for the Palestinian Arabs. That homeland is Trans-Jordan, or Eastern Palestine.... A second Palestinian state to the west of the River is a prescription for anarchy."
(Last edited by Big Mac; Apr 1, 2010 at 06:45 PM.
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Cheers. I'm sort-of aware of the way things played out. And recently read a pretty insightful yet depressing article on the ramifications of the 1967 war, when France sided with the Arabs....and how a similar thing is happening with the U.S.(or rather the current administration). Appeasing the Arabs/Muslims for oil is...well...nothing new.
So i guess states have the right to ignore/disregard UN resolutions, specifically the one calling for the split of Palestine. I wonder how countries/states come to the point where, after not recognizing Israel, have no problem with campaigning against it (and thus recognizing it). Kinda strange, and a loophole that should be closed imho.
Oh well.
(Last edited by Hawkeye_a; Apr 6, 2010 at 09:55 PM.
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