[olePigeon]

Ohio Senate passes bill banning human-animal hybrids | veracium

Thanks to this bill, manufacturing of vaccines, insulin, and heart valves for transplants will be met with 5 years in prison and $250,000 fine.

Good job you religious retard, you'll take advice from a science fiction movies but not scientists with empirical data.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

Thanks to this bill, manufacturing of vaccines, insulin, and heart valves for transplants will be met with 5 years in prison and $250,000 fine.

Is this your own interpretation, or a legit opinion of a legal expert ?

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[Doofy]

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by turtle777 

Is this your own interpretation, or a legit opinion of a legal expert ?

I'm sure it'll be changed, ratified, and exception will be made. I just think it's funny that a science fiction movie is the basis for their bill. Maybe we should ban cloaking devices to appease the Romulans.

[ort888]

I think that first sentence was just a little flare added by the writer.

Splice isn't even out yet. How could it influence anyone?

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

I'm sure it'll be changed, ratified, and exception will be made. I just think it's funny that a science fiction movie is the basis for their bill. Maybe we should ban cloaking devices to appease the Romulans.

Maybe you should read the law (which says "A term of imprisonment of not more than one year" - not "will be met with 5 years in prison") and then blame religion for your lack of reading comprehension.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by ort888 

Splice isn't even out yet. How could it influence anyone?

The trailer shows everything, you don't even need to see the movie.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

The trailer shows everything, you don't even need to see the movie.

Good science you've got going there.

Where's your control group? Where's the Ohio senators who haven't seen the trailer? At what time did the senator in question see the trailer?

[Doofy]

Here's the bill, folks. Just in case you fancy reading that instead of the hive's dramatic interpretation of it.

[olePigeon]

It bans Jesus. Non-human in a human womb.

[Person Man]

Did anyone bother to read the text of the bill?

Originally Posted by Ohio Senate Bill 243

(C) Nothing in this section prohibits any of the following:
(1) Research involving the use of transgenic animal models containing human genes;
(2) Xenotransplantation of human organs, tissues, or cells into recipient animals, including animals at any stage of development prior to birth, so long as the xenotransplantation does not violate a prohibition in division (B) of this section;
(3) An individual from receiving organs, tissues, or cells delivered from outside of this state.

EDIT: Doofy beat me to it. And I live in Ohio, too.

[olePigeon]

But does not protect or provide exemption of xenotraplantation of animal organs, tissues, or cells into recipient humans. That would include vaccines (depending on your argument on whether or not viruses are life), and using animal organs in organ transplants in humans, such as valves from a pig's heart, stomach lining from a pig's stomach, and pig's liver.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

But does not protect or provide exemption of xenotraplantation of animal organs, tissues, or cells into recipient humans. That would include vaccines (depending on your argument on whether or not viruses are life), and using animal organs in organ transplants in humans, such as valves from a pig's heart, stomach lining from a pig's stomach, and pig's liver.

Other than the bit in section 1 where it defines what a human-animal hybrid is?

[Person Man]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

But does not protect or provide exemption of xenotraplantation of animal organs, tissues, or cells into recipient humans. That would include vaccines (depending on your argument on whether or not viruses are life), and using animal organs in organ transplants in humans, such as valves from a pig's heart, stomach lining from a pig's stomach, and pig's liver.

Neither of those falls under the definitions outlined at the start of the article. They clearly talk about embryos. Heart valves are not embryos. Neither are viruses.

Oh yeah... transplanting an animal organ does not create an animal-human hybrid as defined by section 1 of the bill.

As stupid as the bill is, it is fairly specific in its prohibitions.

[olePigeon]

Fair enough, I jumped to conclusions. I stand by my Jesus statement, though.

[Person Man]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

Fair enough, I jumped to conclusions. I stand by my Jesus statement, though.

Technically, yes.

Still doesn't make the bill any less stupid.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

Thanks to this bill, manufacturing of vaccines, insulin, and heart valves for transplants will be met with 5 years in prison and $250,000 fine.

Good job you religious retard, you'll take advice from a science fiction movies but not scientists with empirical data.

BTW, ole, I don't understand the logic here.

1) You believe in evolution.
2) Evolution only happens if the strongest genetic traits breed.
3) So why are you bothered about diabetics? For the progression of the human race, shouldn't they be left untreated and allowed to die so their crappy genes aren't passed along?

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

BTW, ole, I don't understand the logic here.

1) You believe in evolution.
2) Evolution only happens if the strongest genetic traits breed.
3) So why are you bothered about diabetics? For the progression of the human race, shouldn't they be left untreated and allowed to die so their crappy genes aren't passed along?

Genetics doesn't work that way. The genes that can cause diabetes in some people might also confer some other benefit that outweighs the risk.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by nonhuman 

Genetics doesn't work that way. The genes that can cause diabetes in some people might also confer some other benefit that outweighs the risk.

But doesn't logic dictate that we shouldn't do anything and just see who survives to pass their genes on?

[The Final Dakar]

Alright, I'll bite. What does believing in evolution have to do with supporting it?

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

Alright, I'll bite. What does believing in evolution have to do with supporting it?

Good question.
Wouldn't believing in it and not supporting it amount to basically stating that humanity is currently as good as it gets?

[The Final Dakar]

Not really. I think it would state that technology and science had reached a point that we weren't bound by all of our genetic short-comings. I imagine it doesn't preclude natural evolution, so much as inhibit it.

[Doofy]

I see the colour of your undies there. Yep, makes sense from a certain aspect.
But doesn't it assume that we know what we're doing? I'm pretty sure we don't!

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

I see the colour of your undies there. Yep, makes sense from a certain aspect.
But doesn't it assume that we know what we're doing? I'm pretty sure we don't!

That depends on the "what" you're referring to. You'd be hard pressed into talking me into believing the field of medicine is doing more harm than good.

[imitchellg5]

It's also worth noting that cops in Ohio can also give tickets now without having a positive reading on a radar gun. I see Ohio is become the jerkface state.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

That depends on the "what" you're referring to. You'd be hard pressed into talking me into believing the field of medicine is doing more harm than good.

I'm not saying it's doing more harm than good. I'm asking if we're better qualified to direct the course of humankind than natural selection is.
I have no answers to this. Only questions.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by imitchellg5 

I see Ohio is become the jerkface state.

Your whole country's heading that way. I know this because I watched mine go down that route and have 20/20 hindsight.

[nonhuman]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

But doesn't logic dictate that we shouldn't do anything and just see who survives to pass their genes on?

Only if we have no capacity to understand and control it. Experimentation like this is what gives us that capacity: we're learning how our genome works and how we can effectively (and safely) manipulate it.

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

Your whole country's heading that way. I know this because I watched mine go down that route and have 20/20 hindsight.

Well, Ohio's in the front of the bus though

[olePigeon]

Ohio's just trying to play catchup with Texas and Arkansas. It takes effort to be a retarded state.

[ghporter]

I think that if a reasonably intelligent person (and I include our illustrious and learned membership in this group) could easily mistake how this bill works, then the lame-brained, pudding-headed lawyers and muddled judges in the Great State of Ohio will have a field day with prosecuting people for having porcine heart valve implants and using bovine insulin.

I certainly don't expect it to come from Ohio initially, but what our whole legal system (in the US) needs is a hard and fast requirement that someone with a 12th grade reading level can understand what the bleep the "law makers" are saying with their bills.

I grew up in Michigan and had what I'd now call a "cynical" civics teacher in high school. We got a really good dose of "here's how it really works" in that class, with examples from my own home state's storied and celebrated past... And then we visited Toledo to see real wierdness! (Seriously, the traffic lights there seemed to have been set up by a combination of LSD flashback sufferers and people with really strong beer buzzes...)