[Big Mac]

This Tuesday is the beginning of a showdown with enormous government. The outcome of this election has immense implications for the future of the United States and the rest of the world.

It's a choice between Progressivism/Socialism versus Capitalism.

It's a choice between more enormous government versus a movement away from it.

It's a choice between authoritarian government control - Nanny Uncle Sam - versus personal liberty.

It's a choice between escalated confiscation of private wealth versus one's right to keep more of one's own wealth.

It's a choice between national bankruptcy, perhaps hyperinflation, versus a reliable dollar.

It's a choice between the Socialist Welfare State versus renewed personal responsibility.

It's a choice between tyranny versus liberty.

This is the beginning of the showdown. Next one takes place in two years when Obama must be made a one termer. Choose wisely, America.

[ghporter]

Unfortunately, in most races the choices are between a well known rascal and an unknown rascal. Between a politician who has stated he's for this or that but not lived up to that and a politician who says he believes in this or that and who knows what he'll do. And there is almost no clear cut obvious choice between good and bad. Voting this time is going to be hard work. I agree: "Choose wisely."

[turtle777]

@ OP: I wish it was like that, but do you really think Republicans will achieve all that ?

To be honest, I'm not thank optimistic. Many Reps are giving lip service to small government, but will never act according to it.

-t

[lpkmckenna]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

It's a choice between tyranny versus liberty.

No it's not, silly.

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

It's a choice between the Socialist Welfare State versus renewed personal responsibility.

Aha ha ha ha ha ha.

[sek929]

Do you actually think in such exaggerated hyperbole?

Tyranny? Seriously?

[Big Mac]

It's not hyperbole to me, not at all. You're just too accustomed to unrestrained government power to see the truth, IMO.

I don't have high hopes that the Tea Party influenced GOP can restore the country over night, but this is probably the last best chance we have to turn things back in the right direction. If we don't defeat corrupt Dem. incumbents this time around like Boxer and Reid, our prospects for the future will be much dimmer.

[sek929]

What I am, is unable to exaggerate ideas into outrageous caricatures.

The fact you are able to reconcile calling one political party tyrants while the other is eventually going to save our country speaks volumes. I'm sorry, because I can't lie to myself and believe such nonsense.

The Reps will make significant gains in this election and then get voted out in due time for their own incompetence. The thought that either party is in any way markedly different from the other is an illusion.

[Big Mac]

You can believe that all you want, but that's a rather dismal view. A Tea Party infused GOP can restore the country, but only if the people are ready to take responsibility for themselves again. If the majority of Americans want handouts and hand holding from government, we'll just continue down the path of Socialism, indebtedness and tyranny.

[OldManMac]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

This Tuesday is the beginning of a showdown with enormous government. The outcome of this election has immense implications for the future of the United States and the rest of the world.

It's a choice between Progressivism/Socialism versus Capitalism.

Unfortunately, you don't know what capitalism is, because we don't have it here in the U. S. We have corporations buying our government; that isn't capitalism.

It's a choice between more enormous government versus a movement away from it.

The Republicans were the party that brought back big government. After George W. Bush was elected, the size of the federal government exploded, after having shrunk under Bill Clinton. You aren't really so naive as to think it's going to shrink again, just because a few Republicans are elected, are you?

It's a choice between authoritarian government control - Nanny Uncle Sam - versus personal liberty.

Another complete lack of understanding of what's happening in Washington. Our rights are being eroded, bit by bit, by the military-industrial complex (which a Republican, Eisenhower, warned of 60 years ago). People are so gullible, falling for the irrational fear that they're going to be killed by a terrorist act, that they're willing to give up anything. Why do you think the national id keeps getting brought up? You really don't understand who's really in charge, do you?

It's a choice between escalated confiscation of private wealth versus one's right to keep more of one's own wealth.

More and more Americans are seeing their personal wealth decline, as more and more of the wealth in this country (and around the world) is concentrated in the hands of fewer and fewer. You don't really believe the rich are going to suddenly going to give back the money they think they're entitled to, do you? What do you think the foundation of this country's explosive growth after WWII was founded on? Hint; it was corporate taxes which built our highway system, our explosive growth in universities (heard of the G I Bill?), our medical research institutions, and on and on.

It's a choice between national bankruptcy, perhaps hyperinflation, versus a reliable dollar.

More lack of understanding. Our dollar's value is based not only on what we think it's worth. In fact, it's based more on what other countries' governments and financial institutions think it's worth, and that has shrunken considerably and will continue to do so. We're no longer the beacon of hope for the rest of the world, and there are billions of people all over the globe who will gladly do our jobs for a lot less money (which has more to do with what our dollar is worth than you apparently realize). The American Middle Class is a dying breed, and its explosive growth during the mid-20th century was something not seen before in history. Other countries are now emulating that model (think China, India, and to a lesser extent, Russia), and they're going to win.

It's a choice between the Socialist Welfare State versus renewed personal responsibility.

Where is the personal responsibility of those who think they can hoard the world's riches amongst a select few? Your model of the failed Socialist Welfare State is hopelessly outdated, as welfare has shrunk dramatically in the last two decades here in the U. S., but you no doubt would rather like to believe that you're the only hard working, upright citizen the U. S. has ever seen. It's a typical example of the belief in the fallacy that your good fortune has been because of your hard work, while those who are less than you are so because they're lazy and stupid.

It's a choice between tyranny versus liberty.

Tell that to your corporate overlords, when they cut your pay and benefits, and they rewrite the laws, telling where and when you can go out.

This is the beginning of the showdown. Next one takes place in two years when Obama must be made a one termer. Choose wisely, America.

You think that those in power are suddenly going to realize they need to listen to the people, instead of those who line their pockets? Incredible!

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

This Tuesday is the beginning of a showdown with enormous government.

2008 doesn't count?

[Big Mac]

Yeah, we lost that one, hence the current state of affairs.

[mduell]

Will either party reign in the TSA? At an airport you now have the choice between a naked photo (stored for future recall) and crotch groping (front of the hand, all the way up until they meet "resistance").

[Big Mac]

It's not really on topic but I just experienced this in Atlanta. It's not even the naked pic that bothers me as much as all the radiation it must be exposing people to. And you're called a "refuser" if you don't want to be subjected to it. You get to wait around for 10 minutes for someone to grope you. "Now I'll use the back of my hand sir." Great.

[imitchellg5]

It's less radiation than using a cell phone...

[Big Mac]

You'll forgive me if I'm skeptical of that claim.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...r-thought.html

[besson3c]

Big Mac: could you please say something intentionally unreasonable just so that I have a sense on how far you actually go?

[Big Mac]

What? Are you asking me to troll you?

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

What? Are you asking me to troll you?

No, you don't have to make it personal, it doesn't have to be about me... Just say something that you know to be unreasonable that you disbelieve or believe on account of it being unreasonable, like for instance (if you happen to believe this): 9/11 was a hoax, or the moon landing was also a hoax, or that politician X wants to give free viagra to pedophiles (this was an actual campaign ad)

[Big Mac]

Okay, here's something I really believe: Leftism and the enormous government it produces is killing the United States and destroying the liberties of its citizens.

[Brien]

Are you willing to accept that both parties are killing America?

[Big Mac]

No. There are proponents of enormous government in the GOP as well, but there's still a big difference between the two parties.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

This Tuesday is the beginning of a showdown with enormous government. The outcome of this election has immense implications for the future of the United States and the rest of the world.

It's a choice between Progressivism/Socialism versus Capitalism.

It's a choice between more enormous government versus a movement away from it.

It's a choice between authoritarian government control - Nanny Uncle Sam - versus personal liberty.

It's a choice between escalated confiscation of private wealth versus one's right to keep more of one's own wealth.

It's a choice between national bankruptcy, perhaps hyperinflation, versus a reliable dollar.

It's a choice between the Socialist Welfare State versus renewed personal responsibility.

It's a choice between tyranny versus liberty.

This is the beginning of the showdown. Next one takes place in two years when Obama must be made a one termer. Choose wisely, America.

What Big Mac is saying is that he is a conservative who can't think beyond Black and White.

Good vs. Evil
You are either with us or against us.
Black vs. White

[screener]

Originally Posted by OldManMac 

Unfortunately,

No, purposely ignoring the truth.

[BadKosh]

Originally Posted by OldManMac 

Unfortunately, you don't know what capitalism is, because we don't have it here in the U. S. We have corporations buying our government; that isn't capitalism.

We have real capitalism too. This is where those big companies waste away the stockholders bucks instead of showing a profit - which usually happens when liberals are in control.

Originally Posted by OldManMac 

The Republicans were the party that brought back big government. After George W. Bush was elected, the size of the federal government exploded, after having shrunk under Bill Clinton. You aren't really so naive as to think it's going to shrink again, just because a few Republicans are elected, are you?

Lets go back to how weak and depleated the previous Democrat left things - CARTER? remember that idiot? remember how long it took for our military to recover? Same deal under Clinton.... All this while forcing banks and mortgage companies to loan money to untrustworthy types. Carter, then Clinton and the mismanagement of FREDDIE and FANNIE, until they were pushed over the edge by Frank and Dodd to 'help' Obama's presidential campaign.

Originally Posted by OldManMac 

Another complete lack of understanding of what's happening in Washington. Our rights are being eroded, bit by bit, by the military-industrial complex (which a Republican, Eisenhower, warned of 60 years ago). People are so gullible, falling for the irrational fear that they're going to be killed by a terrorist act, that they're willing to give up anything. Why do you think the national id keeps getting brought up? You really don't understand who's really in charge, do you?

So that crashing stock market right after 9/11 was made up? It's not just fear of loss of life and limb, but the other stuff too.

Originally Posted by OldManMac 

More and more Americans are seeing their personal wealth decline, as more and more of the wealth in this country (and around the world) is concentrated in the hands of fewer and fewer. You don't really believe the rich are going to suddenly going to give back the money they think they're entitled to, do you? What do you think the foundation of this country's explosive growth after WWII was founded on? Hint; it was corporate taxes which built our highway system, our explosive growth in universities (heard of the G I Bill?), our medical research institutions, and on and on.

The money "they" think they are entitled too? Sounds like urban legends to me.

Originally Posted by OldManMac 

More lack of understanding. Our dollar's value is based not only on what we think it's worth. In fact, it's based more on what other countries' governments and financial institutions think it's worth, and that has shrunken considerably and will continue to do so. We're no longer the beacon of hope for the rest of the world, and there are billions of people all over the globe who will gladly do our jobs for a lot less money (which has more to do with what our dollar is worth than you apparently realize). The American Middle Class is a dying breed, and its explosive growth during the mid-20th century was something not seen before in history. Other countries are now emulating that model (think China, India, and to a lesser extent, Russia), and they're going to win.

Originally Posted by OldManMac 

Where is the personal responsibility of those who think they can hoard the world's riches amongst a select few? Your model of the failed Socialist Welfare State is hopelessly outdated, as welfare has shrunk dramatically in the last two decades here in the U. S., but you no doubt would rather like to believe that you're the only hard working, upright citizen the U. S. has ever seen. It's a typical example of the belief in the fallacy that your good fortune has been because of your hard work, while those who are less than you are so because they're lazy and stupid.

So welfare per person has shrunk, but the numbers on the dole have increased and so has the financial outlay. No! Those who aren't producing aren't stupid, but young, lack experience and ask too much for an entry level job due to unrealistic expectations. Many have been fooled to think the world owes them something. They were lied to for political reasons.

Originally Posted by OldManMac 

Tell that to your corporate overlords, when they cut your pay and benefits, and they rewrite the laws, telling where and when you can go out.

We don't have to. We can address it with the political hacks.

Originally Posted by OldManMac 

You think that those in power are suddenly going to realize they need to listen to the people, instead of those who line their pockets? Incredible!

They will get that lesson Nov 2. Some will receive the punishment without understanding why. Those are the real idiots.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by BadKosh 

We have real capitalism too. This is where those big companies waste away the stockholders bucks instead of showing a profit - which usually happens when liberals are in control.

Real capitalism is what happens when liberals are in control?

[Laminar]

Swing and a miss for B@|)K0$h.

[SpaceMonkey]

I'm voting for more tyranny.

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by Brien 

Are you willing to accept that both parties are killing America?

Exactly. Hence my comment about 2008.

[Jawbone54]

Originally Posted by Brien 

Are you willing to accept that both parties are killing America?

I'm a conservative, and I definitely agree. The current political system is so broken, I don't see any party fixing it (or even making a serious effort).

I have to vote, so I vote for the group touting smaller government, but I don't fool myself into believing they they're drastically different from the other side. A marginal difference trending towards less government is all I need to sway me. The Repubs under Bush weren't much better than Mr O's squad -- I'm wanting a massive change.

[BadKosh]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak 

Real capitalism is what happens when liberals are in control?

No, big companies spending on Politics instead of paying bigger dividends happens with libs in power. its like they demand a cut to protect those big companies from being legislated against.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

It's not even the naked pic that bothers me as much as all the radiation it must be exposing people to.

Oh really? How much radiation is that? I look forward to your explanation.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by BadKosh 

No, big companies spending on Politics instead of paying bigger dividends happens with libs in power.

How old are you?

[Laminar]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

Oh really? How much radiation is that? I look forward to your explanation.

You better watch out, BIg Mac will whip out his Ph. D in physics and his MD on you. Oh wait, it's a Poli Sci degree. Never mind.

[ort888]

It's a choice between two heads of the exact same two-headed dragon. Just like it's been for that last 250 years.

Is this a parody thread? This is this some primo and hilarious over the top crap.

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

You'll forgive me if I'm skeptical of that claim.

Airport body scanners deliver radiation dose 20 times higher than first thought | Mail Online

You'll forgive me if I'm skeptical of anything in The Daily FAIL. My father has a bulletin from TSA about the scanners. It doesn't offer numbers, but consider this: You'll only likely, if ever, go through a scanner once. Some people use a cell phone hundreds of times every day. And it's likely way less radiation than something like a CAT scan, as it's only penetrating your clothes, not your skin.

[Big Mac]

And why should I necessarily believe TSA propaganda? If their bulletins are as high quality as their airport service. . .

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

And why should I necessarily believe TSA propaganda? If their bulletins are as high quality as their airport service. . .

Then don't fly.

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

And why should I necessarily believe TSA propaganda? If their bulletins are as high quality as their airport service. . .

If you're really so cynical, you probably shouldn't be posting on the internet, you never know who is watching.

I believe that the information that is passed between the FAA and TSA is probably at least somewhat accurate, and definitely more accurate than The Daily FAIL.

[besson3c]

Big Mac: by any chance were you one of the following for Halloween?

- Ronald Reagan with a gun
- Grim reaper Nancy Pelosi or Obama
- RIP tombstone with America on it
- A tax cut
- Zombie Keith Oibermann

[The Final Dakar]

BTW, for some reason the title reminds me of "Showdown in Little Tokyo" which is an awesome movie.

[Jawbone54]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

- Zombie Keith Olbermann

That's sort of redundant.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

BTW, for some reason the title reminds me of "Showdown in Little Tokyo" which is an awesome movie.

But not as good as Big Trouble in Little China.

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey 

But not as good as Big Trouble in Little China.

Yeah, I rewatched last year when I found it Netflix. I was quite surprised to find it was a serious action movie, and not the comedy I remembered watching as a kid.

[OldManMac]

Originally Posted by BadKosh 

No, big companies spending on Politics instead of paying bigger dividends happens with libs in power. its like they demand a cut to protect those big companies from being legislated against.

You obviously have a budding career in stand up. Wow.

[smacintush]

So, when are these Tea Partiers going to man-up and actually support what needs to be done with regard to entitlements?

[finboy]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

What Big Mac is saying is that he is a conservative who can't think beyond Black and White.

Good vs. Evil
You are either with us or against us.
Black vs. White

And at the margin, that's what everything comes down to. Break it down on an issue by issue basis - you agree, or not. At some level, every decision is either yes or no. Sum the yes's and subtract the no's and there's your position. Ultimately, a decision must be made on each issue, and the net of your decisions is where you stand.

You don't get to decide that you can't decide. Vote, or not. Pay taxes, or not. Go to work, or not.

How hard is that to figure out?

It has nothing to do with conservatism. After all,

• we can choose to stop global warming, or everyone will die as the oceans rise to consume us.
• We can reform health care, or children will be dying in the streets.
• We can open the border, or we are racists.
• We can stop the war, or terrorists will continue to plague us.
• We can support the President, or we are hick racists.
• America is inherently evil; the rest of the world is much much better because it ISN'T America.
• Christians are just as evil as fundamentalists Muslim terrorists.
• Public schools are great.
• Everyone should belong to a union.
• Walmart is evil.
• The Right controls the media (Fox! Limbaugh!)

The elitists who think that every decision must be made on some basis other than yes and no are the irritating ones out there.

[Lint Police]

Originally Posted by smacintush 

So, when are these Tea Partiers going to man-up and actually support what needs to be done with regard to entitlements?

my brothers and i have decided to work out a way to remove our mother from medicare and ss. we are willing to share the costs. a lot of our friends are doing the same. we are more than willing to take care of our financial future and family.

see, that is what adults do. when you talk a game you back it up with action. unlike the left, many true conservatives understand how personal responsibility is really the only way to make a strong future.

enjoy tomorrow. i am sure there is a government program that will help talk you down from suicide and give you dried fruit to make you feel better about yourself.

[besson3c]

It's tiresome hearing from self righteous people that make these declarations about personal responsibility as if those they are preaching at are somehow opposed to this notion. In other news, ice cream is tasty!

Your last note on suicide and dried fruit was weird.

[Lint Police]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

It's tiresome hearing from self righteous people that make these declarations about personal responsibility as if those they are preaching at are somehow opposed to this notion. In other news, ice cream is tasty!

Your last note on suicide and dried fruit was weird.

aww. poor besson. i apologize for "manning up"

white house. halloween. dried fruit.