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Ok, guys, can someone explain me how typewriters in the 1960s were ablemto do kerning ?
Duh. They wanted to simulate a loose typebar.
     
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Ok, guys, can someone explain me how typewriters in the 1960s were ablemto do kerning ?
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Duh. They wanted to simulate a loose typebar.
Yes, actually. IBM introduced the Electric Typewriter Model 04 in 1941. It introduced proportional spacing between characters so the typewriter could simulate a printed page. This became the standard feature on all IBM Executive typewriters.

So, yes, typewriters had kerning 20 years before Obama was even born.
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Originally Posted by olePigeon View Post
Yes, actually. IBM introduced the Electric Typewriter Model 04 in 1941. It introduced proportional spacing between characters so the typewriter could simulate a printed page. This became the standard feature on all IBM Executive typewriters.

So, yes, typewriters had kerning 20 years before Obama was even born.
So you are saying that Obama went back in time and introduced IBM to kerning.

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No, IBM invented kerning to help Obama steal the election.
     
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Where does the "magic bullet" theory fit in? Isn't it interesting how you've never seen Obama and Lee Harvey Oswald in the same room together?

(In DC we have our own experience with time-traveling vampiric mayors, so this seems like a plausible scenario)

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Edit: Nevermind, I don't need another infraction.
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Originally Posted by olePigeon View Post
Yes, actually. IBM introduced the Electric Typewriter Model 04 in 1941. It introduced proportional spacing between characters so the typewriter could simulate a printed page. This became the standard feature on all IBM Executive typewriters.

So, yes, typewriters had kerning 20 years before Obama was even born.
It's pretty obvious they're trying to fake an Underwood and not an IBM.
     
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May 3, 2011, 12:34 PM
 
I guess this guy faked his birth certificate too. Look... there's kerning AND faded numbers in the Accepted Date. This Alan person is definitely hiding something.

     
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May 3, 2011, 12:43 PM
 
Nice try, Athiest. If you can fake one Certificate of Live Birth it's not going to be hard to manufacture more fake ones to make the first one's flaws look legit.
     
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Originally Posted by turtle777 View Post
Wow, that's a load of morons.

is that the same group that voted for Obama ?

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It might well be the same group of people unsure of Obama's birth. Or, perhaps the liberal version of them.
     
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May 8, 2011, 11:33 PM
 
Wow. I was even fooled into believing it was real. The forgery was very poorly done.


LiveLeak.com - Obama Birth Cert is a total FAKE!
     
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lol

I love how you put all of your faith into a low rez-video. If you believe that the birth certificate of a US President can be forged, why not a low-rez video?
     
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Because he also believes that 2.5 billion Muslims should be killed?
     
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May 8, 2011, 11:54 PM
 
It's basically the same points the Denninger made in the links I posted above.

I guess most here didn't even bother to click the links, because it seemed so outlandish.

Obama LIED. This is NOT a scan of the original birth certificate, as he claimed.

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Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
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I love how you put all of your faith into a low rez-video. If you believe that the birth certificate of a US President can be forged, why not a low-rez video?
Dude, why don't you go, download the file from the White House and have a look for yourself.

http://whitehouse.gov/sites/default/...-long-form.pdf



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May 9, 2011, 12:02 AM
 
You can download it from Whitehouse.gov yourself and open it up in Illustrator and see for yourself.

I just did it. I'm not sure why all the layers. But they are there. You download the pdf from whitehouse.gov, open it in Illustrator and bring up the layers. The layers are there. The signature is very suspicious.
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Originally Posted by Atheist View Post
I guess this guy faked his birth certificate too. Look... there's kerning AND faded numbers in the Accepted Date. This Alan person is definitely hiding something.

The "kerning" really seems to be the result of a very imprecise typewriter.

What's more interesting: all the colors of the typewriter and pen are the same shade of black.
Plus, you can see the watermark in the background.

Both of these things don't line up in Obama's "birth certificate".

Look, let's not jump to conclusions. All *I* am saying is that what Obama published is NOT just a scan of a document. It has been post (or pre ?) processed. Clearly so.

So when Obama claims that he presented a scan, it's just not true.

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Here some close ups that question the claim of a "scan". Look at the differences in color and artifacts:













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From the National Review (a conservative publication)


PDF Layers in Obama’s Birth Certificate

We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.

The PDF is composed of multiple images. That’s correct. Using a photo editor or PDF viewer of your choice, you can extract this image data, view it, hide it, etc. But these layers, as they’re being called, aren’t layers in the traditional photo-editing sense of the word. They are, quite literally, pieces of image data that have been positioned in a PDF container. They appear as text but also contain glyphs, dots, lines, boxes, squiggles, and random garbage. They’re not combined or merged in any way. Quite simply, they look like they were created programmatically, not by a human.

What’s plausible is that somewhere along the way — from the scanning device to the PDF-creation software, both of which can perform OCR (optical character recognition) — these partial/pseudo-text images were created and saved. What’s not plausible is that the government spent all this time manufacturing Obama’s birth certificate only to commit the laughably rookie mistake of exporting the layers from Photoshop, or whatever photo editing software they are meant to have used. It’s likely that whoever scanned the birth certificate in Hawaii forgot to turn off the OCR setting on the scanner. Let’s leave it at that.

UPDATE: I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.
     
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Originally Posted by Kerrigan View Post
UPDATE: I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.
Please, for the sake of Pete, go and follow the steps outlined in the video above. Open the PDF in Illustrator. You will see that the layers contain data, like he shows in the video. Since you have the software, it should be easy for you to refute or confirm.

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May 9, 2011, 12:35 AM
 
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Originally Posted by sek929 View Post
Keep clutching at those straws.
Please, quick comment on the pics I posted above. How can those happen in a scan ?

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May 9, 2011, 12:40 AM
 
for somebody that dislikes Obama as much as you do, you'd think that you'd clue in that you'd have a greater chance at winning the next election if you encourage a healthy distance away from the conspiracy theories.
     
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for somebody that dislikes Obama as much as you do, you'd think that you'd clue in that you'd have a greater chance at winning the next election if you encourage a healthy distance away from the conspiracy theories.
Please, comment on the scan. Don't give me your regular bullshit bla bla.

I have posted specific evidence and a question, how this could possibly be the result of a color scan.
Instead, you and others just keep talking shit. Way to go

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This reminds me of that controversy in the middle ages, where people started to figure out that the Catholic Church's "deed" to the entire Roman Empire was forged. Does anyone here know what I'm talking about? I can't remember the specifics...
     
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Let's use some common sense for a moment:

Scenario (1): Obama hires forgery experts to doctor a birth certificate. They expertly forge everything, except for the "e" in "None", the second half of a signature, and dozens of other random parts of the image. The forgery contains so many obvious errors, that there has actually been a conspiracy within a conspiracy to make sure that this negligently made forgery is released.

Scenario (2): Someone in the Whitehouse scanned the document, opened it with Illustrator (creating all of the random layers), and then uploaded it to the internet.
     
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Originally Posted by Kerrigan View Post
Scenario (2): Someone in the Whitehouse scanned the document, opened it with Illustrator (creating all of the random layers), and then uploaded it to the internet.
I can believe that this happened.

Still, Obama said that he presented a scan. So obviously this is NOT true.
I'm not saying he knew about it, but this definitely makes stuff look more fishy than before.

MOREOVER, just creating empty layers does not create those contrasting colors and lack of artifacts in some of the scanned letters, with clear artifacts in others. There was MORE done than just empty layers created.

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May 9, 2011, 01:44 AM
 
I wouldn't put it past Obama to have forged this certificate.

I mean, he's a product of Chicago politics. There used to be a (truthful) saying: "3 of the last 5 governors of Illinois were sent to prison." Now I think it's 3/6.

And Obama did spend millions of dollars litigating issues over this birth certificate.

At the end of the day, though, I'm not buying it. I'll look into that video and post my thoughts in this thread ... but I highly doubt Obama would release such a botched forgery.
     
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May 9, 2011, 02:36 AM
 
It's very suspicious. I'm not sure if it's a forgery or not. You'd think that if it was a forgery, they'd get it right. I don't thing someone created the layers in Illustrator unless they changed something.

I think they changed his mothers signature to include his fathers last name, but I have no idea why. It doesn't make sense.
     
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As someone who has worked at a job requiring the processing of a lot of digital documents, PDF's, scans, etc. - lot's of different programs used to get input from one format to another do a LOT of crazy things in the process. I've had to dig embedded graphics and data out of corrupted files and get files that should have no problems (but do) output to high resolution imagesetters. I'm seen really weird stuff once you get the files into Photoshop or Illustrator.

So, I'm not compelled that this shows any kind of forgery, and I'm guessing that the document in question did at one time initiate as a scan of the certificate Hawaii has on record.

There's really nothing substantive left to speculate about the document itself, in my opinion. The only thing left to wonder is why he's made such an effort to keep ALL his personal information contained in records secret, unless somewhere there was something really damaging he's trying to keep under wraps. If you release everything but THAT document, then that's the one everyone is going to clamor for. You refuse to release ANYTHING, then that won't act in any way to narrow down the field of potential targets for his skeletons.
     
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Originally Posted by Kerrigan View Post
From the National Review (a conservative publication)


PDF Layers in Obama’s Birth Certificate

We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.

The PDF is composed of multiple images. That’s correct. Using a photo editor or PDF viewer of your choice, you can extract this image data, view it, hide it, etc. But these layers, as they’re being called, aren’t layers in the traditional photo-editing sense of the word. They are, quite literally, pieces of image data that have been positioned in a PDF container. They appear as text but also contain glyphs, dots, lines, boxes, squiggles, and random garbage. They’re not combined or merged in any way. Quite simply, they look like they were created programmatically, not by a human.

What’s plausible is that somewhere along the way — from the scanning device to the PDF-creation software, both of which can perform OCR (optical character recognition) — these partial/pseudo-text images were created and saved. What’s not plausible is that the government spent all this time manufacturing Obama’s birth certificate only to commit the laughably rookie mistake of exporting the layers from Photoshop, or whatever photo editing software they are meant to have used. It’s likely that whoever scanned the birth certificate in Hawaii forgot to turn off the OCR setting on the scanner. Let’s leave it at that.

UPDATE: I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.
This well reasoned analysis from a respected Conservative publication leaves me with only one conclusion: Obama's Private Army dug up William F. Buckley and turned him into a zombie, and now zombie Buckley is running the magazine to promote Obama's creeping socialist agenda. Really, what other plausible explanation can there be?
     
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This well reasoned analysis from a respected Conservative publication leaves me with only one conclusion: Obama's Private Army dug up William F. Buckley and turned him into a zombie, and now zombie Buckley is running the magazine to promote Obama's creeping socialist agenda. Really, what other plausible explanation can there be?
The evidence certainly does seem to point that way. I mean, look at the layers and the artifacts in the scan! Only zombies (or graphic design interns) would do that!
     
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There's really nothing substantive left to speculate about the document itself, in my opinion.
What's your opinion on the scan artifacts (or lack thereof in some letters), and the color difference (green vs. black) in some letters ?

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Oh for ****'s sake. That's what happens when you OCR something. The differences in color are the characters the OCR engine either did or did not pick up. Most OCR (particularly Xerox and Adobe) software creates multiple layers when you save as either a TIFF or a PDF; 1 with the source image, 2 with the OCR glyphs, 3 selectable text. The boxes in the middle of nowhere or around the signature are image containers created by the OCR program when it thinks it found a picture.

That's it. There's nothing nefarious about this scan.

Here're three documents I scanned in last year using a Xerox:

Index of /68k/FastPath

ALL of them exhibit identical behavior to the birth certificate PDF. You'll notice that the Xerox software attempts to erase the original text on the source image, then replace it with its own glyphs on top. That is exactly what happened with the birth certificate. My hunch is that it was simply scanned into a Xerox WorkCentre machine and auto-OCRed.
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That's a possibility, thanks for the explanation.

Could this apply to Ann Dunham Obama's signature as well ?
Would the Xerox software replace handwriting with its own glyphs ?

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It'll convert whatever it thinks it can convert, accurate or not.
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Ok, so it seems the OCR explanation doesn't hold. Page 9 of the below referenced document:

The only rebuttal to the nine layers discovered in the PDF file released by the White House was astatement from a Canadian graphic artists from Quebec by the name of Jean-Claude Tremblay onApril 29. It was reported by Fox News an on their web site at:Expert: No Doubt Obama's Birth Certificate Is Legit - FoxNews.com tries to excuse the multi-layers as merely an artifact of an OCR (Optical Character Recognition) engine and then saved as a PDF. There are two major reason he is wrong and I know from his statement he knows nothing about OCR engines and how they work and their file structure.
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My qualifications on OCR programs are considerable. Our own document imaging program,TheRepository, has an OCR option from Expervision that is called TypeReader. We integratedTypeReader into our program but to do this we had to sign a non-disclosure statement with them and then we got their Took Kit and API. When an OCR program saves a file as a searchable PDF, thefile contains three main files within it. The first file is an image file, usually a compressed Group4TIFF. The second file is a ASCII text file and the last file is a matrix file that contains the X and Ycoordinates of all the words in the document. The Starting point for the image file and the matrix fileis usually the upper right-left hand corner of the image measured in pixels. The text file and matrixfiles would never be seen as separate layers and there is certainly no nine layers. The three fileswould be in a PDF “wrapper” and that’s all. All OCR programs work on the same principle.
Obamas Cert of Birth_May-10-2011_News Realease



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Ok, so it seems the OCR explanation doesn't hold. Page 9 of the below referenced document:



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hmmmmm .... looks like an ad for Archive Index Systems.
An 18 page ad ?

Uhm, yeah, try again...

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