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Mar 24, 2011, 09:55 PM
 
And you wonder why schools are closing and fireman/policeman are getting laid off!

Phoenix's Isaac School District, which plans to shutter schools and lay off employees because of money problems, will let Superintendent Carlos Bejarano retire June 30 and return to his same job - with the same compensation and perks - the next day.

Bejarano, 58, will retain his $130,000 annual salary, an $8,400 car allowance, an $8,000 annual tax-deferred annuity, and a $3,000 community-affairs allowance to use at his discretion. The district also will give him $11,238 so he can buy health-insurance coverage, according to district officials.

Bejarano will receive an annual pension estimated at $104,650 after retiring with 35 years of service, records reviewed by The Arizona Republic show, bringing his total annual compensation to roughly $265,000.

Read more: Phoenix superintendent to retire, return
Bejarano is following the lead of our "public safety manager" former Phoenix Police Chief Jack Harris. in 2007, Harris "retired" and 2 weeks later was rehired, allowing him to receive his pension and salary.
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Mar 24, 2011, 10:24 PM
 
This is a an unfortunately common scenario amongst many schools. What's even more insane are charter schools; since they're a single campus but not apart of the districts, they get their own super intendant, often the same person as the principal. So a charter school will take in over a quarter million dollars just for their principal/super intendant, money that comes from the public school's funds and inevitably tax payer dollars.

There is so much tension right now between certificated/classified staff and administration. Most of the cuts are happening not in administration. If there are any cuts made, they're almost meaningless.
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Originally Posted by OldManMac View Post
You're a tool. You're also oblivious to history as well, obviously.
You nailed it.
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Originally Posted by OldManMac View Post
I can cherry pick from the same article to back up my claims.
No you can't otherwise you'd froth at the opportunity to do so.

So 99.7% of the economy is run by small business, eh? Give me a reliable source, as I don't buy it. GE, one of the largest companies in the world, paid no income tax last year, and actually effectively gets money back. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/bu...er=rss&emc=rss
Office of Advocacy funded data and research shows that small businesses represent 99.7 percent of all firms, they create more than half of the private non-farm gross domestic product, and they create 60 to 80 percent of the net new jobs.
Small Business Drives U.S. Economy

You call BS so you can cite some irrelevant GE factoid that only affirms my point. Immelt is a member of President Barack Obama's Economic Recovery Advisory Board and as head of GE is looking to capitalize on this ilk's "green jobs" agenda. Per Immelt; "Governments will invest to stimulate their economies, solve societal problems and create jobs. GE's broad portfolio and expertise position us as a natural partner." Friggin' classic socialism at your front door, but LOOK AT THOSE DAMNED REPUBLICAN CHRISTIANS OLDMAN!!! You put traditional, anti-establishment liberalism to shame and the boys at the VFW are going to stop reserving a seat for you.

No, most of us.
Consider the absolute poorest of poor in the US; more wealth and resources at their disposal than many abroad can attain in a lifetime.

Unfortunately, your state of denial, and your typical attempt to compare us with the rest of the world isn't valid, especially to those who are indeed poor, homeless, and go to sleep hungry most nights.
There is absolutely no one who is sound mentally and not turning helping hands away that is going to bed hungry most nights. In fact, one of the most pervasive problems of homelessness in the US is mental illness. Obesity in the US is also a poverty problem. Avail yourself of any census or Federal poverty data you can and you will find that I'm correct. Your caricature of the state of the US may be useful for mind-numbingly ignorant anti-capitalist rhetoric, but it has no foundation in reality and no actual concern for have-nots.

You remind me of my mother, who used to tell me that I should eat my entire meal, because there were starving children in India who would gladly have it. The problem with that silly statement is that it doesn't apply to me; I'm not a starving child in India.
She was trying to tell you that you were a spoiled rotten little American boy who should appreciate what he has. She may have also referred to you as a late bloomer with no idea just how late it'd be. Did you tell your mother that the only reason you even have the Brussels sprouts on your plate is because you've taken them from the poor Indian children?

They haven't done anything to me personally, but they've obviously hoodwinked the gullible like you into believing they're your saviors, while they're really stabbing you in the back.
No one is stabbing me in the back because I'm not busy pointing fingers at the innocent with my back facing the criminals.

Another miss by a mile. I don't want anyone to give me anything, but a level playing field should be available (I know, that's something you conservatives don't really want to see, as you've got yours, and it doesn't really matter how you got it, ethically or not; you'll do whatever it takes to keep, legally or not).
So you don't want them to give you anything... but a level playing field. Okay, how? Yeah... you guessed it, it's a meaningless platitude. I've not attained a dime of wealth unethically, don't project your guilty livelihood on me.

You mean like Fox News, the most watched, by the most gullible?
This may be hard for you to believe, but I think you'll find that if you were to take the remainder of news outlets and the remainder of programs aired by the remainder of networks, you'll find many more viewers of leftist propaganda than right.

It's you who'd better pay attention to the 2012 elections, as working Americans are getting mad as hell at being screwed.
Yeah and we're the ones you despise the most. We working Americans don't want your support and your ilk in government with their "wealth-busting" agendas are the ones screwing us.
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You nailed it.
He used to be open to differing opinions but like I said, the deep end beckoned and he succumbed to the dark blue.
*Hint: this isn't going to win favour with OldMan or compensate for him having smacked you to the floor last week.

You'll soon realize that OldMan is all about OldMan, there is no one else and no other ideal worthy of hearing. You can keep groveling around at his feet for approval, but it'll do you no good. Trust me, you don't want his approval anyway. Your posts are a cry for my help and you want my approval, but you won't get that either. I address people in the manner in which they address the forum. If they appear open and interested in serious discussion, I give them my openness and respect.

Don't like me? Try something other than belligerent ignorance.
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Heh. Once again, ebuddy delivers a beochslap so thorough it sends OldMan rummaging through the trash bins out back of moonbats.org again in search of feeble crumbs that he hoped might pass for a comeback.



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Mar 27, 2011, 11:22 AM
 
^^Anything I can do to help you feel better about your miserable self.
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Originally Posted by OldManMac View Post

Another miss by a mile. I don't want anyone to give me anything, but a level playing field should be available (I know, that's something you conservatives don't really want to see, as you've got yours, and it doesn't really matter how you got it, ethically or not; you'll do whatever it takes to keep, legally or not).
You mean the level playing field where there aren't any admissions or hiring preferences for "minorities" like women or Hispanics? That one?
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You mean the level playing field where there aren't any admissions or hiring preferences for "minorities" like women or Hispanics? That one?
In a perfect world, you'd be right. Unfortunately for you, ebuddy, and crashbraindead, we don't live in a perfect world. There are other variables at play besides the ones you see in your narrow worldview.
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Originally Posted by OldManMac View Post
In a perfect world, you'd be right. Unfortunately for you, ebuddy, and crashbraindead, we don't live in a perfect world. There are other variables at play besides the ones you see in your narrow worldview.
Sure, that's so easy. When reality doesn't fit your socialist pipe-dream, then it's perfectly ok to tilt the playing field.

But if conservatism even go so far to just demand no interference, the you holler and scream.

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Sure, that's so easy. When reality doesn't fit your socialist pipe-dream, then it's perfectly ok to tilt the playing field.

But if conservatism even go so far to just demand no interference, the you holler and scream.

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I apologize; I forgot to include you in that list. Hint; It has nothing to do with socialism.
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I apologize; I forgot to include you in that list. Hint; It has nothing to do with socialism.
Got anything of substance?
Didn't think so.

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Originally Posted by OldManMac View Post
^^Anything I can do to help you feel better about your miserable self.
I'd love it if you actually learned something for once in your life, other than pathetic liberalism and all your sad fantasies of everyone else being as mired in helplessness, racism, and dispair as you obviously are.

That's why there's no joy in seeing you smacked down by common sense YET AGAIN. You're far too gone to ever gain anything from it. Keep wallowing in your wretched world where everyone else isn't as "enlightened" as you, despite the fact that you seem obsessively jealous over their success or whatever money they managed to make. Just try not to spread that disease to too many others who still have a chance of growing out of it.
     
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Originally Posted by OldManMac View Post
In a perfect world, you'd be right. Unfortunately for you, ebuddy, and crashbraindead, we don't live in a perfect world. There are other variables at play besides the ones you see in your narrow worldview.
Thank Jeebus you're there to straighten it all out for us. And thank Jeebus for my "narrow worldview," for it allows me to be productive enough, each and every year, to support a whole bunch of government employees and probably two or three welfare families by paying taxes. Without those of us with a "narrow worldview" where would the world be? I know plenty with the "narrow worldview" who've stopped playing, who've stopped trying to explain these things to the Mom's basement contingent out there. They're tired of being spat upon for being so god damned generous every year, to work so that others don't need to, so they've stopped. Who is John Galt?

There IS a level playing field, except for where the government intervenes and takes from one to give to others. You probably haven't experienced discrimination of that type, yet, given your attitudes on the subject. Either that, or you're just better than all of the rest of us.

We don't, in fact, live in a perfect world, but if you think that the government, as it is now, is helping to make the world more perfect, I'd argue that you're delusional. If you think that organized labor, now, today, makes America a better place, you're delusional (or blind to fact). Further, I'd argue that you can't see how you're purest of intentions are being used by politicians when they don't really care about how you feel or what's important to you.

There's nothing wrong with idealism, but sooner or later we have to embrace reality. Reality means that someone has to pay for all of those wonderful things that government is supposed to do for us, and if it takes > X public workers to support the pensions of X public retirees, then there are likely some systemic problems. Let's truly "level the playing field" - take away the public worker union - legislator cooperation that screws taxpayers.
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It's part of their core beliefs in religious values.
More 'stereotypes as reality' from the Liberal stooge? its all stereotypes and soap opera plots in your little world isn't it? Everyone can be labeled and categorized, so you don't have to actually pay attention to the specific person. Sad.
     
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Originally Posted by OldManMac View Post
In a perfect world, you'd be right. Unfortunately for you, ebuddy, and crashbraindead, we don't live in a perfect world. There are other variables at play besides the ones you see in your narrow worldview.
OldManMac is a poopy-butt, stinky face!
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Some more facts about exorbitant teacher salaries.

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So the unions are threatening private businesses with a boycott if they don't speak up for the public employee union slacks? Doesn't that make it illegal? Shouldn't they be allowed to stay out of the fight and just run their businesses?
     
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So the unions are threatening private businesses with a boycott if they don't speak up for the public employee union slacks? Doesn't that make it illegal? Shouldn't they be allowed to stay out of the fight and just run their businesses?
Trust OldGrumpyMac - the unions are always right.

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So the unions are threatening private businesses with a boycott if they don't speak up for the public employee union slacks? Doesn't that make it illegal? Shouldn't they be allowed to stay out of the fight and just run their businesses?
Illegal? Wait a minute, so you want the government to step in and force people to patronize businesses that they want to boycott? Interesting.

To answer your last question, yes, they should be (and are) allowed to stay out of the fight, tell the public unions to pound sand, and run their businesses. And the folks in the public union should be (and are) allowed to boycott if they so choose. I'm not saying that's necessarily smart, but they can. That's what's known as a 'free market'. Look it up sometime.
     
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More 'stereotypes as reality' from the Liberal stooge? its all stereotypes and soap opera plots in your little world isn't it? Everyone can be labeled and categorized, so you don't have to actually pay attention to the specific person. Sad.
Are you intentionally being hypocritical? You seem oblivious to your own thoughts.
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Here's an excellent explanation of what this fight is really all about, and it isn't about saving money.

What the Union Fight is Really About: Defunding the Left | Mother Jones
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Defunding the left - I approve

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Defunding the left - I approve

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You won't when they tell you you'll have to work for $8/hour, with no benefits.
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LOL, thank you very much, but I can take care of myself, I don't need union thugs to negotiate on my behalf.

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Defunding the left - I approve
At least they're acknowledging that Big Labor is a front for the left's campaign coffers.

Otherwise, another futile attempt to distract people from the real problems developing among the unions and the lopsided relationship of unequal protections they enjoy with their favorite legislators against the rest of us funding their whimsy.
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You won't when they tell you you'll have to work for $8/hour, with no benefits.
I have worked for $5.25 an hour. I worked my way up in that bakery from dish washer to lead night baker. I was making $14/hour when I started my own business in design and motorsports marketing, my true passion.

I didn't feel sorry for myself when I was making next to nothing. I worked hard to make sure I never had to go back there after I left, like so many I saw before me.

Unions had a time and place. 2011 they should be dead.

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I worked hard to make sure I never had to go back there after I left, like so many I saw before me.
Like so many like you, if you ain't me, screw you.

Good for you, but, not everyone is you, what would you do with those that aren't?
     
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Let them take care of themselves, the same as anyone- well, other than lefty twits that are so obviously incapable of it.

Why is being a purposefully helpless twit such a badge of honor in Leftloonworld? Grow the F up already. Because Mommy and Daddy won't float you anymore, and want you out of thier basement already, doesn't mean you get to vote all the productive people as your surrogate Mommies and Daddies to float you forever.
     
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Like so many like you, if you ain't me, screw you.

Good for you, but, not everyone is you, what would you do with those that aren't?
Are you serious? You have no idea what I donate too, whom I choose to help or how I take care of people around me based on my better life now. I don't need you, or some government institution telling me what should be done with the life and money I have earned.

If you don't feel like you "donate" enough to this government nanny state, then by all means write that big fat check for twice what they already take from you. No one is stopping you. Me, I'll keep taking care of those that fell on tough times, but are willing to work hard to make a better life for them selves, not just looking for a handout.

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Originally Posted by Lint Police View Post
Me, I'll keep taking care of those that fell on tough times, but are willing to work hard to make a better life for them selves, not just looking for a handout.
You mean like these "unfortunate folks?"

The Real Housewives of Wall Street | Common Dreams

You haven't got a clue as to what's going on in this country, but it won't dissuade you from lobbing bombs at those who aren't as fortunate as you, calling them lazy and looking for a handout, while your overlords are busy pulling the wool over your eyes, convincing you that they're looking out for you. What a tragedy.
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Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE View Post
Let them take care of themselves, the same as anyone- well, other than lefty twits that are so obviously incapable of it.

Why is being a purposefully helpless twit such a badge of honor in Leftloonworld? Grow the F up already. Because Mommy and Daddy won't float you anymore, and want you out of thier basement already, doesn't mean you get to vote all the productive people as your surrogate Mommies and Daddies to float you forever.
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Originally Posted by OldManMac View Post
You mean like these "unfortunate folks?"

The Real Housewives of Wall Street | Common Dreams

You haven't got a clue as to what's going on in this country, but it won't dissuade you from lobbing bombs at those who aren't as fortunate as you, calling them lazy and looking for a handout, while your overlords are busy pulling the wool over your eyes, convincing you that they're looking out for you. What a tragedy.
That has absolutely nothing to do with what I am talking about and you know it.

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