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May 5, 2011, 02:58 AM
 
Obama is smart not to release the photo, for two reasons.

The first reason is simply that it would simply be in bad taste. No matter how you look at it, taking a picture of someone you've killed in combat--no matter how heinous that person might be--and using the photo to gloat about your accomplishment, is crossing the line. The president is making the right call here.

Secondly, from a more cynical standpoint, not releasing the photo is politically smart move. By keeping the photo classified, conspiracy wackos will keep the issue alive. In the same vein as the birthers, the president can maintain a mature, sensible posture vis-a-vis the weirdos who think it is all a hoax.

So, by doing the right thing, the president is also getting an added political bonus. This isn't to say that Obama is withholding the photo for political reasons, however.

In the end, the important fact is that Osama bin Laden is dead, and I think most Americans will recognize this, give Obama credit where it is due, and move on to more important things.
     
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May 5, 2011, 09:20 AM
 
It'll get leaked eventually. The Saudis or someone else will want to see it.

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Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
Alright, then, what DID you mean when you said "1 down, 2.5 billion to go" when referring to the death of bin laden?
There are probably about another 2.5 billion people on this planet that are evil, brutal, corrupt etc, and they should be eliminated as well. Just killing one bad guy hardly scratches the surface.
     
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
There are probably about another 2.5 billion people on this planet that are evil, brutal, corrupt etc, and they should be eliminated as well. Just killing one bad guy hardly scratches the surface.
Not that I believe for a second that's what you meant, buuuuut....

Currently estimated world population: 6.9 billion.

So over a third of the global population is "evil, brutal, corrupt, etc." on the scale of Osama and should be killed? Good luck defending that one.

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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
There are probably about another 2.5 billion people on this planet that are evil, brutal, corrupt etc, and they should be eliminated as well. Just killing one bad guy hardly scratches the surface.
Complete BS, you meant all Muslims and you know it. At least have the nutsack to man up to your statements.
     
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Complete BS, you meant all Muslims and you know it. At least have the nutsack to man up to your statements.
He must not want to damage his reputation.
     
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May 5, 2011, 05:23 PM
 
I declare jihad on BadKosh ALAHLAALALALALAL
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
There are probably about another 2.5 billion people on this planet that are evil, brutal, corrupt etc, and they should be eliminated as well. Just killing one bad guy hardly scratches the surface.
That must be one of the lamest back-peddles ever. I was at least hoping you would put *a little* effort into it.
     
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I guess we're supposed to believe that you did a head count of evil and corrupt people in the world and you came up with the number 2.5 billion, BadKosh?
     
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
There are probably about another 2.5 billion people on this planet that are evil, brutal, corrupt etc, and they should be eliminated as well. Just killing one bad guy hardly scratches the surface.
You really just said that?
     
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Okay, I'll say it, let's just turn the whole ME into a self-lit, glass bottom swimming pool?

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Originally Posted by Shaddim View Post
Okay, I'll say it, let's just turn the whole ME into a self-lit, glass bottom swimming pool?

Who here's with me!?

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Originally Posted by Athens View Post
I declare jihad on BadKosh ALAHLAALALALALAL

Nice to know. I'll be ready. I hope you enjoy the 45 rounds as much as I will.
     
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You know, you'll never truly fulfill your homicidal mania with such poor ammo discipline.
     
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May 6, 2011, 09:34 AM
 
What's 45 rounds x 2.5 Billion?
     
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Originally Posted by Athens View Post
I declare jihad on BadKosh ALAHLAALALALALAL
Maybe it's just me but this just made me lmfao
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
What's 45 rounds x 2.5 Billion?
112.5 billion rounds! That's a lot of rounds! Have we clarified what sort of weapon BadKosh is using here? I watched this movie once where the gun barrel got too hot when you shot a lot of rounds! Don't know if they shot more than 112 billion first though! Ha ha!
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May 6, 2011, 09:41 AM
 
When he comes back and explains he meant .45 calibre, we should come up with some bullshit about how that's what we meant too, and he was just misinterpreting our posts.
     
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May 6, 2011, 10:04 AM
 
I'm already on it - 112.5 billion calibre rounds!
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Originally Posted by Shaddim View Post
Okay, I'll say it, let's just turn the whole ME into a self-lit, glass bottom swimming pool?

Who here's with me!?
Let's just develop an alternative to buying their oil and let them collapse on their own. Once we don't need their oil, what are they going to start selling? Sand?

Then, with no money, and no influence, they can revert back to a state of waring tribes with swords and get their wish of reviving the 13th century.
     
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Originally Posted by sek929 View Post
Let's just develop an alternative to buying their oil and let them collapse on their own. Once we don't need their oil, what are they going to start selling? Sand?

Then, with no money, and no influence, they can revert back to a state of waring tribes with swords and get their wish of reviving the 13th century.
Agreed. Except that the West, during the 13th century, was far more civilized than the M.E. is now. With chivalry and all that good stuff.
     
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Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton View Post
112.5 billion rounds! That's a lot of rounds! Have we clarified what sort of weapon BadKosh is using here? I watched this movie once where the gun barrel got too hot when you shot a lot of rounds! Don't know if they shot more than 112 billion first though! Ha ha!
Will have to factor in time as well. Honestly the best weapon would be a knife. Just not possible to carry 112 billion rounds. Besides its much better up close and personal. So lets say you can do in one Muslim every 30 seconds. 2.5 Billion Muslims divided by 30 is 83333333 30 seconds, divide by half for minutes 41666666.5, divide by 60 for hours leaving us 694444 hours. Assume he only gets 4 hours of sleep every day it will take him 34722 days to complete this task or 95 years and this is assuming I made no calculation mistakes. Now the question is how many knifes will he go through because there is no way a single knife could handle 2.5 Billion uses. I think I established bang for buck the knife being a better value though which was the point. But we should factor in another 1 billion people because during these 95 years they will continue to breed of course raising the population. In fact it could be never ending as the birth rate could be as high as the slaughter rate always leaving the same number of people. This could take a much longer time then.

Please note this post is all in good fun and humor no ill intentions are really directed to any Muslims.
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Agreed. Except that the West, during the 13th century, was far more civilized than the M.E. is now. With chivalry and all that good stuff.
Um... NO
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Um... NO
ummmm ... YA.

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Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
ummmm ... YA.

Everyone was Prince Charming in 13C. Haven't you watched any Disney?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic...edieval_Europe

not going to bother posting all the contributions the Muslim world made to Europe during this time. But they where more technologically advanced, more educated and more sanitary then Europeans in the dark ages.
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Originally Posted by Athens View Post
Will have to factor in time as well. Honestly the best weapon would be a knife. Just not possible to carry 112 billion rounds. Besides its much better up close and personal. So lets say you can do in one Muslim every 30 seconds. 2.5 Billion Muslims divided by 30 is 83333333 30 seconds, divide by half for minutes 41666666.5, divide by 60 for hours leaving us 694444 hours. Assume he only gets 4 hours of sleep every day it will take him 34722 days to complete this task or 95 years and this is assuming I made no calculation mistakes. Now the question is how many knifes will he go through because there is no way a single knife could handle 2.5 Billion uses. I think I established bang for buck the knife being a better value though which was the point. But we should factor in another 1 billion people because during these 95 years they will continue to breed of course raising the population. In fact it could be never ending as the birth rate could be as high as the slaughter rate always leaving the same number of people. This could take a much longer time then.

Please note this post is all in good fun and humor no ill intentions are really directed to any Muslims.

Wouldn't a sword be better than a knife since it has a bigger blade, and even better than both, the pen which is mightier than the sword?
     
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic...edieval_Europe

not going to bother posting all the contributions the Muslim world made to Europe during this time. But they where more technologically advanced, more educated and more sanitary then Europeans in the dark ages.
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Drawn into a religious conflict - Los Angeles Times
A split in philosophy

Whatever the religious sensitivities involved, reactions such as these may strike you as threateningly — even viciously — irrational. That's because they are, and there's a reason.

Back in the High Middle Ages, the three great monotheistic religions — Judaism, Christianity and Islam — reached one of those fundamental forks in the historical road. For centuries, a series of Islamic scholars had preserved the works of Aristotle that one day would lay the foundations for the secular logic and science that have made the modern world possible. Their "rediscovery" by medieval scholars provoked a crisis. They recognized that reason was a powerful tool, but were fearful that using it would undermine faith, which was the basis for authority in all three communities.

What to do — or, more precisely, how to think?

Three intellectual giants rose to the challenge. Two of them — the philosopher and jurist Abu al-Walid Ibn Rushd, known to the West as Averroes, and the great rabbi and physician Moses Maimonides — actually were contemporaries, both born in the Spanish city of Cordova. Tradition has it they even met and befriended each other while on the run from the Almohads, Islamic fundamentalists from the Maghreb, who had captured Andalusia and destroyed its storied culture of tolerance. The third was Thomas Aquinas — of whom his admiring coreligionists one day would say, "He led reason captive into the house of faith." Recall that this was an age in which the literate West, not unlike today's Islamists, still regarded theology as "the queen of the sciences."

Averroes' exposition of Aristotle was so widely admired and influential that when Aquinas took it up a century or so later at the University of Paris he referred to Aristotle simply as "the philosopher" and to Averroes as "the commentator." But while Maimonides and, later, Aquinas — who also read and admired the philosopher rabbi — held that there exists a single truth and that faith, properly understood, never can conflict with reason, Averroes took the other fork. He held that there were two truths — that of revelation and that of the natural world. There was no need to reconcile them because they were separate and distinct.

It was a form of intellectual suicide and cut off much of the Islamic world from the centuries of scientific and political progress that followed.
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Wouldn't a sword be better than a knife since it has a bigger blade, and even better than both, the pen which is mightier than the sword?
A sword is much heavier, after 20 hours of slaughtering I suspect the arms to fall off from being so tired.
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Um... NO
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I thought he wasn't going to spike the ball.
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Just wondering, are you a Christian?
Hell no, I'm a meat popsicle.
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I thought he wasn't going to spike the ball.
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What liberal would want to live in a Muslim country?
     
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Originally Posted by Athens View Post
Will have to factor in time as well. Honestly the best weapon would be a knife. Just not possible to carry 112 billion rounds. Besides its much better up close and personal. So lets say you can do in one Muslim every 30 seconds. 2.5 Billion Muslims divided by 30 is 83333333 30 seconds,
er no. Thats. 2.5billion multiplied by 30 not divided. One every 30 seconds means it would take you 1.25 billion minutes, or 2376 years.

Since we're talking war crimes here I guess it's probably better to move straight to some kind of gas.
     
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heh i was wondering if any one would actually catch that.
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Hell no, I'm a meat popsicle.

Well that's good to know, not only because you need to live in a freezer, but because if I were a cartoon character and you said that you were, unless you were also BadKosh there would be this giant question mark over my head.
     
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Where in the World is Bin Laden is available for viewing on Hulu, FWIW...
     
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The only "advantages" that the Muslim world had over the the West in the middle ages were simple algebra and pointed-arch windows. That's it. Pretty sad considering that was their "golden age."
     
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Is it just me, or are there a couple of characters in here that seem a little like that embarrassing Uncle that ruins Thanksgiving dinners with their provocative comments that are just on the brink of some sort of family eruption?
     
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Along those lines, I wish this thread had turkey and gravy.
     
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Is it just me, or are there a couple of characters in here that seem a little like that embarrassing Uncle that ruins Thanksgiving dinners with their provocative comments that are just on the brink of some sort of family eruption?
No, that uncle is just you

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You're a turkey too then.

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The only "advantages" that the Muslim world had over the the West in the middle ages were simple algebra and pointed-arch windows. That's it. Pretty sad considering that was their "golden age."
Right. And the European Middle Ages were all King Arthur and faerie tales.
     
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The only "advantages" that the Muslim world had over the the West in the middle ages were simple algebra and pointed-arch windows. That's it. Pretty sad considering that was their "golden age."
Even though I'll probably make an ass out myself, but I'll assume you're being sarcastic.
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During the early Middle Ages and the Islamic Golden Age, Islamic philosophy, science, and technology were more advanced than in Western Europe. Islamic scholars both preserved and built upon earlier Ancient Greek and Roman traditions and added their own inventions and innovations. Islamic al-Andalus passed much of this on to Europe (see Islamic contributions to Medieval Europe).

At the same time, huge numbers of Greek and Arabic works on medicine and the sciences were translated and distributed throughout Europe.
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You realize the assertion that started this was that modern day Islam is more backwards than middle ages Europe. It's an "extratemporal" comparison, not the comparison you're trying to make.
     
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Even though I'll probably make an ass out myself, but I'll assume you're being sarcastic.
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Drawn into a religious conflict - Los Angeles Times
A split in philosophy

Whatever the religious sensitivities involved, reactions such as these may strike you as threateningly — even viciously — irrational. That's because they are, and there's a reason.

Back in the High Middle Ages, the three great monotheistic religions — Judaism, Christianity and Islam — reached one of those fundamental forks in the historical road. For centuries, a series of Islamic scholars had preserved the works of Aristotle that one day would lay the foundations for the secular logic and science that have made the modern world possible. Their "rediscovery" by medieval scholars provoked a crisis. They recognized that reason was a powerful tool, but were fearful that using it would undermine faith, which was the basis for authority in all three communities.

What to do — or, more precisely, how to think?

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Averroes' exposition of Aristotle was so widely admired and influential that when Aquinas took it up a century or so later at the University of Paris he referred to Aristotle simply as "the philosopher" and to Averroes as "the commentator." But while Maimonides and, later, Aquinas — who also read and admired the philosopher rabbi — held that there exists a single truth and that faith, properly understood, never can conflict with reason, Averroes took the other fork. He held that there were two truths — that of revelation and that of the natural world. There was no need to reconcile them because they were separate and distinct.

It was a form of intellectual suicide and cut off much of the Islamic world from the centuries of scientific and political progress that followed.
This rejection of reason spelled the end of "Islam's Golden Age"
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