[subego]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Perhaps so, I haven't followed mainstream broadcast news outlets for a very long time, but my sense is that even on websites and stuff that by and large international news is under-reported.

It sounds to me like you're judging them on the model from back when you were still consuming mainstream media.

In ye olden days, there was a wall between editorial and sales. This wall existed because, at its root, the people in question owned all the bandwidth. If they didn't put the wall up, they were going to get every branch of government crawling up their asses at once. There are other reasons it's a good idea to put up this wall when you have a monopoly on the media, but keeping your ass a government-free zone is a sort of "minimum bar" they all had to contend with.

Well, as should be patently obvious, they don't own all the bandwidth anymore. Floor's dropped out on those monopoly sized piles of money too, which surprise... took the wall between editorial and sales with it.

Nowdays, what goes in the primary revenue generating spot is going to be what generates the most revenue. For a US news organization, this will be US news a majority of the time. It's simple math.



Before we lament the passing of "ye olden days", ask yourself who owns the bandwidth now? The answer is anyone with an Internet connection. Yet with this great power comes a dash of responsibility. When one alights upon a website for a major US news organization, should they find the prominence of world news lacking, they have but merely to press upon the shiny jewel which declares itself to be "world".

They should then prepare! For they are about to embark upon a journey which by its very definition must consist of naught other than exclusively non-US coverage.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

Ok then slick willy, nothing I said related to your post either, it's just a big coincidence that I happened to post it right after you did and make seemingly explicit references to your actions.

PS, If you're reading this, this post isn't about you, it's about a different besson3c. I would never make the mistake of saying anything that could possibly be verified or refuted using evidence, facts, or testimony.

I wish I could figure out why there is always such a big disconnect in our understanding each other, and why you seem to forget this and continue to go off half cocked in your confronting me.

I quite often speak about things in very general and abstract ways, is this reality still a mystery?

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by subego 

It sounds to me like you're judging them on the model from back when you were still consuming mainstream media.

In ye olden days, there was a wall between editorial and sales. This wall existed because, at its root, the people in question owned all the bandwidth. If they didn't put the wall up, they were going to get every branch of government crawling up their asses at once. There are other reasons it's a good idea to put up this wall when you have a monopoly on the media, but keeping your ass a government-free zone is a sort of "minimum bar" they all had to contend with.

Well, as should be patently obvious, they don't own all the bandwidth anymore. Floor's dropped out on those monopoly sized piles of money too, which surprise... took the wall between editorial and sales with it.

Nowdays, what goes in the primary revenue generating spot is going to be what generates the most revenue. For a US news organization, this will be US news a majority of the time. It's simple math.



Before we lament the passing of "ye olden days", ask yourself who owns the bandwidth now? The answer is anyone with an Internet connection. Yet with this great power comes a dash of responsibility. When one alights upon a website for a major US news organization, should they find the prominence of world news lacking, they have but merely to press upon the shiny jewel which declares itself to be "world".

They should then prepare! For they are about to embark upon a journey which by its very definition must consist of naught other than exclusively non-US coverage.

What is your take on the ratio of people that rely on the internet for their news vs. people still plugged into cable news and the like, where their participation is more passive?

That the big mainstream outlets don't seem to push special interest type stories in line with the sorts of angles I've listed (I say "dont' seem to", because perhaps this has changed) is probably a reflection of what we are interested in consuming as a whole, because decisions pertaining to what your general wide-net-casting mainstream news ala CNN, CBS, etc. outlets cover have a great deal to do with sales.

If nothing more, I hope we can agree that on the whole, our ("our" meaning society as a whole) intellectual curiosity with what goes on in the rest of the world is pretty low, probably less than average?

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

I wish I could figure out why there is always such a big disconnect in our understanding each other, and why you seem to forget this and continue to go off half cocked in your confronting me.

I quite often speak about things in very general and abstract ways, is this reality still a mystery?

No that's not what you do. If you were just "speaking" about "things" in general and abstractly, that would be a very different matter. What you do is to complain and criticize, and you do it about exactly what was just up for discussion moments before, but you claim it was a random other topic just plucked from the ether with no connection. That's obnoxious, and I owe it to you to let you know that's what it is. It's just as obnoxious as when I badmouth the other besson3cs, not you, but I just happen to do it in an alleged "general and abstract" way that just happens to be "inspired" by your preceding post on the same topic.

I ask you, why did you feel the need to defend yourself, when I specifically said that my post was not about you? Did you somehow read between the lines and realize that it was? Do you get the analogy here?

[subego]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

What is your take on the ratio of people that rely on the internet for their news vs. people still plugged into cable news and the like, where their participation is more passive?

It's getting larger.

Originally Posted by besson3c 

That the big mainstream outlets don't seem to push special interest type stories in line with the sorts of angles I've listed (I say "dont' seem to", because perhaps this has changed) is probably a reflection of what we are interested in consuming as a whole, because decisions pertaining to what your general wide-net-casting mainstream news ala CNN, CBS, etc. outlets cover have a great deal to do with sales.

Well, even within one news organization you can have massively different formats. How they're going to parcel out 23 minutes on the national network news is going to be different than their 24-hour news channel. When you need 8,700 hours of content a year, you'll put anything up there. Even if it's about a furriner. You may need to dig a little, but there's fantastic stuff out there by the major organizations. I highly recommend Fareed Zakaria GPS. It's splendid.

Originally Posted by besson3c 

If nothing more, I hope we can agree that on the whole, our ("our" meaning society as a whole) intellectual curiosity with what goes on in the rest of the world is pretty low, probably less than average?

If that's true, I think it's to some extent a reaction to the rest of the world (for better or worse) wagging their finger at us.

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

If nothing more, I hope we can agree that on the whole, our ("our" meaning society as a whole) intellectual curiosity with what goes on in the rest of the world is pretty low, probably less than average?

"less than average" ?

Are you sure that the average Chinese or Indian has a higher "intellectual curiosity with what goes on in the rest of the world" than the average American ?

I'd like to know what you base this on ?

-t

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

No that's not what you do. If you were just "speaking" about "things" in general and abstractly, that would be a very different matter. What you do is to complain and criticize, and you do it about exactly what was just up for discussion moments before, but you claim it was a random other topic just plucked from the ether with no connection. That's obnoxious, and I owe it to you to let you know that's what it is. It's just as obnoxious as when I badmouth the other besson3cs, not you, but I just happen to do it in an alleged "general and abstract" way that just happens to be "inspired" by your preceding post on the same topic.

Is it obnoxious when you or anybody else makes tangential comments too, or is this just something that I do?

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Is it obnoxious when you or anybody else makes tangential comments too, or is this just something that I do?

You mean when they make clearly non-tangential comments criticisms but pretend that they are tangential? I don't know, you're the only one I've seen do it yet. Is it obnoxious when anybody else makes tangential criticisms of other besson3cs that aren't about you, or is it only obnoxious when I do it?

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

You mean when they make clearly non-tangential comments criticisms but pretend that they are tangential? I don't know, you're the only one I've seen do it yet. Is it obnoxious when anybody else makes tangential criticisms of other besson3cs that aren't about you, or is it only obnoxious when I do it?

Please stop picking a fight with me as I feel you are with this "other besson3cs" nonsense, or this conversation will end prematurely.

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Please stop picking a fight with me as I feel you are with this "other besson3cs" nonsense, or this conversation will end prematurely.

If you believed the whole "just a general tangential unrelated comment" line, you would never interpret this as "picking a fight." The fact that you do means that you should know full well that your "general tangential unrelated comments" were picking a fight too.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

If you believed the whole "just a general tangential unrelated comment" line, you would never interpret this as "picking a fight." The fact that you do means that you should know full well that your "general tangential unrelated comments" were picking a fight too.

Whatever, this is boring me to death. If you want to make a point, make it, but I'm done with the he said, she said bit.

[gradient]

I tend think that Canadians are just as insulated as Americans are. The big difference between us is that we Canadians are bombarded with American media every day, while American's can't say the same about the Canadian Media. My HD TV package comes with eight major US network stations, for example, to go along with CNN and various other US specialty channels. Additionally, the Canadian media outlets pick up most if not all major American news for their broadcasts as well. Then there is the music, original TV programming, and film that are very US centric and of high quality so we consume those too; the vast majority of my favourite TV programs and movies are American...they're just good shows! Game of Thrones? Hell Yes.

As a result of all of this, we end up soaking in a considerable amount of knowledge about our southern neighbours, both of the historical and current affairs variety, and end up feeling knowledgable enough about the goings on in the US that we are confident in forming and stating opinions, which is what ends up rubbing many Americans the wrong way.

This isn't really "international" awareness on the part of most Canadians, though. We've just become entangled in the American media. I can't name a single province (state?) in Mexico, Germany, France, Italy...etc. This doesn't make me stupid, it just makes me insulated, much the same way that many Americans are. The only difference is that they don't get the CBC in their cable package, and they sure as heck don't get their news coverage from the CBC News.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

There is a difference between interest and vitriol.

Very true. There's been a lot of vitriol here in the last few days directed at Canadians interested in US politics.

[OAW]

Originally Posted by subego 

I highly recommend Fareed Zakaria GPS. It's splendid.

OAW

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Whatever, this is boring me to death. If you want to make a point, make it, but I'm done with the he said, she said bit.

The he said she said bit is all you ever post here. You're always complaining about your perception of what the problem of the day is, and you never back it up with evidence or sources, and then you get all offended when people have the gall to be skeptical of your perceptions. If you want to overcome the he said she said bit, then it is within your power. Just fact check your perceptions before posting, and give us 'NNers a link to what you found. That's how things other than "s/he said" topics occur.

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak 

Very true. There's been a lot of vitriol here in the last few days directed at Canadians interested in US politics.

Because everyone knows the Canadians never post scorn or derision about things they are "interested in." Because they are rubber and we are glue.

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by gradient 

I tend think that Canadians are just as insulated as Americans are. The big difference between us is that we Canadians are bombarded with American media every day, while American's can't say the same about the Canadian Media. My HD TV package comes with eight major US network stations, for example, to go along with CNN and various other US specialty channels. Additionally, the Canadian media outlets pick up most if not all major American news for their broadcasts as well. Then there is the music, original TV programming, and film that are very US centric and of high quality so we consume those too; the vast majority of my favourite TV programs and movies are American...they're just good shows! Game of Thrones? Hell Yes.

As a result of all of this, we end up soaking in a considerable amount of knowledge about our southern neighbours, both of the historical and current affairs variety, and end up feeling knowledgable enough about the goings on in the US that we are confident in forming and stating opinions, which is what ends up rubbing many Americans the wrong way.

This isn't really "international" awareness on the part of most Canadians, though. We've just become entangled in the American media. I can't name a single province (state?) in Mexico, Germany, France, Italy...etc. This doesn't make me stupid, it just makes me insulated, much the same way that many Americans are. The only difference is that they don't get the CBC in their cable package, and they sure as heck don't get their news coverage from the CBC News.

Actually I do get CBC, and it's even in the free "limited basic" cable package.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

Because everyone knows the Canadians never post scorn or derision about things they are "interested in." Because they are rubber and we are glue.

Is that what I said?

[gradient]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

Actually I do get CBC, and it's even in the free "limited basic" cable package.

I guess my summary was too simplistic, I'm sure there are a decent handful of Americans who get the CBC.

What percentage of the media you consume originates from outside the USA or Canada more specifically, though? I expect that's it's a relatively small portion, yes? We Canadians get probably 90% of our media from the USA, which is my point.

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak 

Is that what I said?

1) Someone (not American) posts vitriol towards America and its politics
2) Someone else (American) replies in kind
3) You (and others) refer to (1) as "interest" rather than vitriol
4) I provide a correction
5) You agree, yet return to calling it "interest" rather than vitriol
6) I conclude that you are either stupid or biased, and I already know that you're not stupid.

So yes, that is exactly what you said.

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by gradient 

I guess my summary was too simplistic, I'm sure there are a decent handful of Americans who get the CBC.

What percentage of the media you consume originates from outside the USA or Canada more specifically, though? I expect that's it's a relatively small portion, yes? We Canadians get probably 90% of our media from the USA, which is my point.

I'm sorry you'll have to ask someone else. I really don't consume any media, except entertainment (like, eh, you're going to love this one: "American Dad!"). I was just providing a possibly relevant factoid.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

1) Someone (not American) posts vitriol towards America and its politics
2) Someone else (American) replies in kind
3) You (and others) refer to (1) as "interest" rather than vitriol
4) I provide a correction
5) You agree, yet return to calling it "interest" rather than vitriol
6) I conclude that you are either stupid or biased, and I already know that you're not stupid.

So yes, that is exactly what you said.

Can you point to an example where I posted vitriol?

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak 

Can you point to an example where I posted vitriol?

I didn't say you posted vitriol, I said you whitewashed it. But since you ask I think this crosses into such territory:

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak 

I also find it pathetic that most Americans are less interested in American politics than some Canadians are.

Of course, you didn't start that exchange, you entered it after it was already heated (which is exactly what I posted a moment ago, someone started it, and you joined in and ultimately re-characterized it). Now let's look at how it DID start:

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna 

It's incredible what a fncking conniving assh0le Rmoney is. But of course he's the Republican candidate, whose supporters are mostly morons, so they will never even notice.

Are you going to try to deny that this post (A) was unprovoked (B) was surprisingly spiteful or (C) was posted by a Canadian member against US politics and US voters?

[gradient]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

...(like, eh, you're going to love this one: "American Dad!").

I got bored of it after the third season or so, though I did name my fish Klaus as an homage.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

I didn't say you posted vitriol, I said you whitewashed it. But since you ask I think this crosses into such territory:

Of course, you didn't start that exchange, you entered it after it was already heated (which is exactly what I posted a moment ago, someone started it, and you joined in and ultimately re-characterized it). Now let's look at how it DID start:

I was only agreeing with Shadim.

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

I simply find it comical, and a bit pathetic, that so many Canadians are more wrapped up in US politics than most Americans.

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

Are you going to try to deny that this post (A) was unprovoked (B) was surprisingly spiteful or (C) was posted by a Canadian member against US politics and US voters?

Nope, only that I don't understand the vitriol directed at ALL Canadians here, including those who aren't starting heated exchanges. Are you suggesting that there aren't equally unprovoked and vitriolic directed at Canadians? I never said "Canadians never post scorn or derision about things they are "interested in.""

[subego]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak 

Nope, only that I don't understand the vitriol directed at ALL Canadians here, including those who aren't starting heated exchanges. Are you suggesting that there aren't equally unprovoked and vitriolic directed at Canadians? I never said "Canadians never post scorn or derision about things they are "interested in.""

I'll let you in on a little secret: we're sweet on you.

It's like kindergarten. Sometimes we're gonna creep up behind you and yank on your hair.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by gradient 

I tend think that Canadians are just as insulated as Americans are. The big difference between us is that we Canadians are bombarded with American media every day, while American's can't say the same about the Canadian Media. My HD TV package comes with eight major US network stations, for example, to go along with CNN and various other US specialty channels. Additionally, the Canadian media outlets pick up most if not all major American news for their broadcasts as well. Then there is the music, original TV programming, and film that are very US centric and of high quality so we consume those too; the vast majority of my favourite TV programs and movies are American...they're just good shows! Game of Thrones? Hell Yes.

As a result of all of this, we end up soaking in a considerable amount of knowledge about our southern neighbours, both of the historical and current affairs variety, and end up feeling knowledgable enough about the goings on in the US that we are confident in forming and stating opinions, which is what ends up rubbing many Americans the wrong way.

This isn't really "international" awareness on the part of most Canadians, though. We've just become entangled in the American media. I can't name a single province (state?) in Mexico, Germany, France, Italy...etc. This doesn't make me stupid, it just makes me insulated, much the same way that many Americans are. The only difference is that they don't get the CBC in their cable package, and they sure as heck don't get their news coverage from the CBC News.

This is extremely fair gradient and thanks for the feedback although, as Uncle noted CBC is available in most if not all cable/satellite TV packages in the US. I also happen to be a big Rush fan, but that's never won me any points from Canadians or Americans.

I have no problem with those who challenge American politics regardless of where they're from. In most respects, challenging American politics is one area in which most of us can find some solidarity. What rubs me the wrong way is the length to which a couple of Canadians tend to go in challenging American people, personally. Claims that "Americans think they're better than everybody else" in a thread where Americans are being decidedly critical of their own leadership or where Canadians are compelled to make errant comparisons between the US and Canada or "Americans are stupid" in a thread where the only apparent stupidity is their own not as Canadians mind you, but as ignoramuses in general. There are times when these digs are entirely irrelevant to the flow of discussion, they're just thrown in there to put Americans in their place and over time it really comes off as a chip on the shoulder of sorts. Your post was refreshing. Thank you.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak 

So, you agree that some Canadians have valid reasons for being very interested in what happens in the US.

Of course. I was addressing the invalid reasons offered by the poster I was responding to.

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak 

I was only agreeing with Shadim.

Uh huh. So what? Shaddim is getting pushback over it too, but somehow he manages not to be flabbergasted by this.

Nope, only that I don't understand the vitriol directed at ALL Canadians here, including those who aren't starting heated exchanges. Are you suggesting that there aren't equally unprovoked and vitriolic directed at Canadians? I never said "Canadians never post scorn or derision about things they are "interested in.""

I feel like you're trying to subtly play dumb here, but it's missing the mark by far. You don't understand why the equal and opposite reaction to individual Canadian lashing out and over-generalizing at all Americans might be individual Americans doing the same to all Canadians? Especially in the same threads where you yourself are playing the reverse psychology card again and again? How can you possibly not understand that?

[turtle777]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

I feel like you're trying to subtly play dumb here, but it's missing the mark by far. You don't understand why the equal and opposite reaction to individual Canadian lashing out and over-generalizing at all Americans might be individual Americans doing the same to all Canadians? Especially in the same threads where you yourself are playing the reverse psychology card again and again? How can you possibly not understand that?

It's called double standard.

-t

[Athens]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

This is extremely fair gradient and thanks for the feedback although, as Uncle noted CBC is available in most if not all cable/satellite TV packages in the US. I also happen to be a big Rush fan, but that's never won me any points from Canadians or Americans.

I have no problem with those who challenge American politics regardless of where they're from. In most respects, challenging American politics is one area in which most of us can find some solidarity. What rubs me the wrong way is the length to which a couple of Canadians tend to go in challenging American people, personally. Claims that "Americans think they're better than everybody else" in a thread where Americans are being decidedly critical of their own leadership or where Canadians are compelled to make errant comparisons between the US and Canada or "Americans are stupid" in a thread where the only apparent stupidity is their own not as Canadians mind you, but as ignoramuses in general. There are times when these digs are entirely irrelevant to the flow of discussion, they're just thrown in there to put Americans in their place and over time it really comes off as a chip on the shoulder of sorts. Your post was refreshing. Thank you.

I admit I make jabs once in a while like the comment in the next generation thread about knowing anything beyond the US in reference to the comment made that the world couldn't fit some place, I cant remember the details with out going to look at it. But a LOT of the time im actually defending myself from comments (jabs) made about Canada from a few select Americans. (Your not one of them) you just step into them after the fact. I don't go out of my way to start these debates because most of the time they are really retarded. But I do go to great lengths to defend once one is started. I agree with the quoted assessment, it is pretty dead on. We can't ignore you as much as we want to. A lot of stuff become button pushing contests to inflame the other party a lot of the time.

[lpkmckenna]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

Are you going to try to deny that this post (A) was unprovoked (B) was surprisingly spiteful or (C) was posted by a Canadian member against US politics and US voters?

Good job distorting my attack on Republicans and most of their suporters into an attack on all Americans, which was completely unlike the criticism of any Canadian with an opinion on the depressing state of U.S. politics today.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

You don't understand why the equal and opposite reaction to individual Canadian lashing out and over-generalizing at all Americans might be individual Americans doing the same to all Canadians?

What I question is who lashed first. You seem to be implying that blame sits solely with Canadians here. I've been called a "retard" several times in the last few days, yet I don't recall attacking anyone first; questioning their actions and apparent double standards, certainly, but never personsal attacks.

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by lpkmckenna 

Good job distorting my attack on Republicans and most of their suporters into an attack on all Americans, which was completely unlike the criticism of any Canadian with an opinion on the depressing state of U.S. politics today.

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak 

What I question is who lashed first. You seem to be implying that blame sits solely with Canadians here. I've been called a "retard" several times in the last few days, yet I don't recall attacking anyone first; questioning their actions and apparent double standards, certainly, but never personsal attacks.

I'm having a hard time disagreeing with the retard remark at this point, after a post like that. You "don't recall" being first, so this grants you immunity? That's retarded, friend. No one involved will ever "recall" being first, and all but one of them are right about that! If you want to make this about teams, just quote the (ONLY!) person who actually was first (honestly, show me, I don't claim to know). Then tell me what team they were on. Does that implicate their whole team? Does it implicate the whole other team? Sheesh.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

I'm having a hard time disagreeing with the retard remark at this point, after a post like that. You "don't recall" being first, so this grants you immunity? That's retarded, friend. No one involved will ever "recall" being first, and all but one of them are right about that! If you want to make this about teams, just quote the (ONLY!) person who actually was first (honestly, show me, I don't claim to know). Then tell me what team they were on. Does that implicate their whole team? Does it implicate the whole other team? Sheesh.

"Teams"? "Don't claim to know"?

You've already defined the "teams" and are already claiming that the other team lashed out first. I'm only responding to *your* claim of teams that *both* have lashed out first at various times.

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

... the equal and opposite reaction to individual Canadian lashing out and over-generalizing at all Americans might be individual Americans doing the same to all Canadians

And, again, personal attacks should be unnecessary.

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak 

"Teams"? "Don't claim to know"?

You've already defined the "teams" and are already claiming that the other team lashed out first. I'm only responding to *your* claim of teams that *both* have lashed out first at various times.

It doesn't matter who was first, and I never said it did. All I said was that I observed behavior that is unquestionably beyond/beneath mere "interest" from a Canadian about Americans (as a group if not a whole), and you saw it too, and it directly provoked a reaction in kind against Canadians (as a group if not a whole), and for you to keep whitewashing this Canadian's behavior as merely "interest" while feigning befuddlement over the reaction, is completely disingenuous.

And, again, personal attacks should be unnecessary.

And yet that didn't prevent you from joining in as well. So... pot/kettle?

[gradient]

Can we all just agree that some people are super nice and other people are stupid jerks, regardless of what country they happen to have been born in, and call it a day? All of this grade school hair pulling is tired. Uncle Skeleton, you can be pot, Wiskedjak, you can be kettle. Let's just sit back, take a deep breath, and see which one boils water faster.

[subego]

Originally Posted by gradient 

All of this grade school hair pulling is tired.

Awww...

You're so cute when your flustered.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton 

And yet that didn't prevent you from joining in as well. So... pot/kettle?

Have I posted any personal attacks?

[gradient]

Originally Posted by subego 

Awww...

You're so cute when your flustered.

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak 

Have I posted any personal attacks?

Have I posted any personal attacks?

[mduell]

What is all this Canadian crap in a Sarkozy thread?

[Uncle Skeleton]

Originally Posted by gradient 

I got bored of it after the third season or so, though I did name my fish Klaus as an homage.

Clearly I don't get bored of things as fast as you do

[subego]

Originally Posted by mduell 

What is all this Canadian crap in a Sarkozy thread?

That's poutine, not crap.

It just looks like crap.

[gradient]

Originally Posted by subego 

That's poutine, not crap.

It just looks like crap.

Hey now, enough with the personal attacks already.

[lpkmckenna]

Originally Posted by mduell 

What is all this Canadian crap in a Sarkozy thread?

Ask the OP, he brought it up.

[turtle777]

You are right. The OP laid out bait, and the Canadians willingly took it.

-t