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Sep 13, 2012, 08:14 AM
 
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She wasn't impersonating anyone but herself though. To be clear, she's a jerk, but this fraud is a totally different type of fraud. ID would not have stopped this.
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Sep 13, 2012, 09:19 AM
 
http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...n-early-voting

Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted lost a bid for a U.S. court order delaying enforcement of an Aug. 31 ruling equalizing the number of early voting days for all the state’s citizens before the Nov. 6 national election.
“Defendant Husted has not provided sufficiently compelling reasons in support of a stay,” Economus said in a ruling today, rejecting the secretary of state’s argument that voter confusion would result if the ruling were later reversed.
     
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Sep 13, 2012, 09:56 AM
 
I can't say I disagree with the assertion it's going to be trouble if this gets ping-ponged.
     
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Sep 13, 2012, 10:02 AM
 
Neither can I, but I don't see what an equitable solution would be. Aside from waiting to implement this next election (If this was a non-partisan action).
     
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What a mess.
     
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And now the GOP is poised to take voter suppression to UNPRECEDENTED LEVELS ....

Kansas election officials on Friday were seeking to obtain a certified copy of President Obama’s birth certificate as they determined whether to allow him to remain on the ballot after a state resident challenged his citizenship, reigniting long-running conspiracy theories that the president was not born in the United States.

After a hearing on Thursday, the state’s Objections Board, led by Kris W. Kobach, the conservative Republican secretary of state, said it needed more information before issuing a ruling, probably on Monday, on the challenge filed this week by Joe Montgomery of Manhattan, Kan.

Mr. Montgomery’s main argument was that under case law, to be eligible to become president, a person must be born in the United States to parents who are citizens. Mr. Obama’s father was from Kenya. Mr. Montgomery also speculated that the birth certificate that Mr. Obama released last year may have been forged.

Because no representative of Mr. Obama appeared at the hearing on Thursday and the only response his campaign provided was a one-and-a-half-page letter that the state deemed cursory, the board decided it could not rule immediately.

“We’re hoping to obtain that over the weekend,” Brad Bryant, the state’s election director, said of Mr. Obama’s birth certificate. “And then they will reconvene Monday in the morning to consider that document, put it in the record and then make a decision on whether the name of Barack Obama will be on the ballot.”
Kansas Election Officials Seek Copy of Obama’s Birth Certificate - NYTimes.com

1. Shave a few points off of the turnout of key demographics likely to vote Democratic with restrictive photo ID requirements. CHECK.

2. Shave a few more points off of the turnout of key demographics likely to vote Democratic by arbitrarily purging voter rolls and sharply reducing early voting opportunities. CHECK

3. When all else fails, attempt to keep the name of a sitting President off the ballot altogether on some "birther" bullish*t. STAY TUNED.

The GOP is making the Florida debacle in the 2000 election look like "jaywalking" compared to this crap.

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Sep 14, 2012, 12:52 PM
 
Honestly, I hope they do take his name off the ballot. There's nothing to lose and everything to gain.
     
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Sep 14, 2012, 12:59 PM
 
Well he certainly wasn't going to win Kansas anyway. And it will further illustrate just how far off the rails the modern day GOP is.

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Pennsylvania’s Supreme Court on Tuesday returned the case over the state’s strict voter ID law to a lower court, asking it to rule on whether the state can provide photo IDs to all eligible voters by Election Day.

If the Commonwealth Court cannot prove that no voters will be disenfranchised, the decision said, that court must place a preliminary injunction on the law until after the election. The lower court must file its decision by Oct. 2.


“Overall, we are confronted with an ambitious effort on the part of the General Assembly to bring the new identification procedure into effect within a relatively short timeframe and an implementation process which has by no means been seamless in light of the serious operational constraints faced by the executive branch,” the court’s decision says. “Given this state of affairs, we are not satisfied with a mere predictive judgment based primarily on the assurances of government officials, even though we have no doubt they are proceeding in good faith.”

Much of the oral arguments in the case, which took place last Thursday in Philadelphia, focused on the short timeframe for implementing the law in November.

A study from the state’s Department of Transportation this summer found that approximately 9 percent of the state’s registered voters — including 18 percent in Philadelphia County, a Democratic stronghold — did not have the appropriate ID to vote under the new law.

Pennsylvania’s new requirements, signed into law in March after being passed by the GOP-run legislature, are among the strictest in the country. Under the law, voters must show a valid state or federal photo ID, or a handful of other acceptable IDs like valid student ID cards. If voters do not have the correct ID, they can cast a provisional ballot but must take a valid ID to their local elections office within six days of the election.

The law had come under fire from Democrats and voting-rights groups, which argued that it would disproportionately affect the younger voters, low-income voters and minorities that traditionally back Democrats in Pennsylvania politics. A coalition of groups challenged the law in Commonwealth Court, but a judge ruled last month in the law’s favor. Those groups appealed to the state Supreme Court, which heard oral arguments last week and issued its decision today.

Voting-rights groups lauded the decision as a step in the right direction.

“This is a strong statement in support of protection of the right to vote,” said Penda Hair, co-director of the Advancement Project, a group that lobbied against the law during the case. “It’s an interim ruling so they did not discuss the law in great detail, but the conclusion is very favorable for voters.”
Pennsylvania voter ID: High court wants review of voter ID access - Politico.com

A positive development indeed.

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Sep 18, 2012, 12:32 PM
 
I wish I understood this. I wonder why they won't hand down a ruling themselves.

Otherwise it looks like they're skeptical of the law, at least in the short-term.
     
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I wish I understood this. I wonder why they won't hand down a ruling themselves.
Workload. The way the appeals court system works in the US, the upper courts always assume that everyone below them have more time than they do, so when they have to do a bigger analysis, they tend to return the case to the lower court.
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Sep 24, 2012, 12:51 PM
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/17/us...pagewanted=all

She said thousands of volunteers helped enter petition signatures into a database, which was then analyzed by the group’s software. Of the one million signatures, True the Vote said 63,038 were ineligible, 212,628 required further investigation and 584,489 were valid.

The accountability board concluded that about 900,000 signatures were valid and, in a memorandum reviewing True the Vote’s work, criticized its methods.

For example: Mary Lee Smith signed her name Mary L. Smith and was deemed ineligible by the group.

Signatures deemed “out of state” included 13 from Milwaukee and three from Madison.

The group’s software would not recognize abbreviations, so Wisconsin addresses like Stevens Point were flagged if “Pt.” was used on the petition.

Signatures were struck for lack of a ZIP code.

While the board commended the group for encouraging “a strong level of civic engagement,” it found that True the Vote’s results “were significantly less accurate, complete and reliable than the review and analysis completed by the G.A.B.”

On Election Day, poll watchers appeared to have slowed voting to a crawl at Lawrence University in Appleton, where some students were attempting to register and vote on the same day.

Charlene Peterson, the city clerk in Appleton, said three election observers, including one from True the Vote, were so disruptive that she gave them two warnings.

“They were making challenges of certain kinds and just kind of in physical contact with some of the poll workers, leaning over them, checking and looking,” said John Lepinski, a poll watcher and former Democratic Party chairman for Outagamie County.

He said that as a result of the scrutiny, the line to register moved slowly. Finally, he said, some students gave up and left.



“It is not about party or politics; it is about principle,” Ms. Engelbrecht said.

While she portrays True the Vote as nonpartisan, it grew out of a Tea Party group, King Street Patriots, that she founded in Texas. An examination shows that it has worked closely with a variety of well-financed organizations, many unabashed in their desire to defeat President Obama.

A polished and provocative video, circulating among Tea Party activists, seeks to raise a “cavalry” to march on swing states and identifies True the Vote as a participant in the effort, called Code Red USA.

In the past year, Americans for Prosperity, an organization founded by the billionaire Koch brothers, and other Republican-leaning independent groups have sponsored meetings featuring Ms. Engelbrecht and other True the Vote speakers. A spokesman for Americans for Prosperity said that the group had hosted events including True the Vote speakers but that election integrity was not a focus of his group.
     
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Republican election officials who promised to root out voter fraud so far are finding little evidence of a widespread problem.

State officials in key presidential battleground states have found only a tiny fraction of the illegal voters they initially suspected existed. Searches in Colorado and Florida have yielded numbers that amount to less than one-tenth of 1 percent of all registered voters in either state.

Democrats say the searches waste time and, worse, could disenfranchise eligible voters who are swept up in the checks.

“I find it offensive that I’m being required to do more than any other citizen to prove that I can vote,” said Samantha Meiring, 37, a Colorado voter and South African immigrant who became a U.S. citizen in 2010. Meiring was among 3,903 registered voters who received letters last month from the Colorado Secretary of State’s office questioning their right to vote.

Especially telling, critics of the searches say, is that the efforts are focused on crucial swing states from Colorado to Florida, where both political parties and the presidential campaigns are watching every vote. And in Colorado, most of those who received letters are either Democrats or unaffiliated with a party. It’s a similar story in Florida, too.

Republicans argue that voting fraud is no small affair, even if the cases are few, when some elections are decided by hundreds of votes.

“We have real vulnerabilities in the system,” said Colorado Secretary of State Scott Gessler, a Republican elected in 2010 who is making a name for himself at home by pursuing the issue. “I don’t think one should be saying the sky is falling, but at the same time, we have to recognize we have a serious vulnerability.”

The different viewpoints underscore a divide between the parties: Are the small numbers of voting fraud evidence that a problem exists? Or do they show that the voter registration system works?

COLORADO

Last year, Gessler estimated that 11,805 noncitizens were on the rolls.

But the number kept getting smaller.

After his office sent letters to 3,903 registered voters questioning their status, the number of noncitizens now stands at 141, based on checks using a federal immigration database. Of those 141, Gessler said 35 have voted in the past. The 141 are .004 percent of the state’s nearly 3.5 million voters.

Even those numbers could be fewer.

The Denver clerk and recorder’s office, which had records on eight of the 35 voters who cast ballots in the past, did its own verification and found that those eight people appear to be citizens.

Kevin Biln, an Adams County resident on the list, said he didn’t know he was registered and maintains that he’s never voted. Another voter on the list, Erica Zelfand, a Canadian immigrant, said she’s a U.S. citizen no longer living in Colorado. Robert Giron said he was furious that the 20-year-old daughter he adopted from Mexico was listed as having illegally voted. He said she went to the Denver clerk’s office with her U.S. passport and other documents to prove her eligibility to vote.

To Pam Anderson, the clerk and recorder in Jefferson County in suburban Denver, the investigation proves what’s already been her experience: Cases of noncitizens on the rolls are extremely rare.

Anderson said the fighting between the political parties over the perception of voter fraud also has less tangible consequences.

“It impacts people’s confidence in elections, which is extraordinarily important,” she said.

FLORIDA

Florida’s search began after the state’s Division of Elections said that as many as 180,000 registered voters weren’t citizens. Like Colorado and other states, Florida relied on driver’s license data showing that people on the rolls at one point showed proof of non-citizenship, such as a green card.

Florida eventually narrowed its list of suspected noncitizens to 2,600 and found that 207 of them weren’t citizens, based on its use of the federal database called SAVE, or the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements. The system tracks who is a legal resident eligible to receive government benefits.

Of the 2,600 initially marked as possible noncitizens, about 38 percent were unaffiliated voters and 40 percent were Democrats, according to an analysis by The Miami Herald.

The state has more than 11.4 million registered voters, so the 207 amounts to .001 percent of the voter roll.

Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner, a Republican, said in a statement that the initiative “is already proving to be a successful process to identify illegally registered voters,” which he noted is crucial in a state where the 2000 presidential election was decided by 537 votes.

NORTH CAROLINA

In North Carolina, the nonpartisan state elections board last year sent letters to 637 suspected noncitizens after checking driver’s license data. Of those, 223 responded showing proof they were citizens, and 79 acknowledged they weren’t citizens and were removed from the rolls along with another 331 who didn’t respond to repeated letters, said Veronica Degraffenreid, an elections liaison for the board.

She said the board did not find evidence of widespread fraud, noting there were only 12 instances in which a noncitizen had voted. North Carolina has 6.4 million voters.

“What we’re finding is there is strong indication that the voter rolls in North Carolina are sound,” Degraffenreid said.

MICHIGAN

Michigan Secretary of State Ruth Johnson, a Republican, last week estimated that as many as 4,000 noncitizens are on the state’s voter roll.

The department said it verified 1,000 registered voters who are noncitizens, based on an analysis of about 20 percent of complete citizenship data. She extrapolated the 4,000 number from the most recent U.S. Census’ five-year American Community Survey, which showed Michigan has a noncitizen population of about 304,000.

That’s as far as the investigation has gone. The figures have not been verified.
Republicans look for voter fraud, find little | TheGrio.com

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Sep 28, 2012, 08:56 AM
 
Republicans find an unorthodox way to illustrate voter fraud

Election officials in six Florida counties are investigating what appears to be "hundreds” of cases of suspected voter fraud by a GOP consulting firm that has been paid nearly $3 million by the Republican National Committee to register Republican voters in five key battleground states, state officials tell NBC.
The suspected fraud included apparent cases of dead people being registered as Republican voters, said Paul Lux, the supervisor of elections in Okaloosa County and a Republican.
     
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A Pennsylvania judge has blocked enforcement of the voter identification law which the legislature enacted and Republican Gov. Tom Corbett signed last year, meaning the law will not be in effect for the Nov. 6 election.

Judge Robert Simpson said even with the streamlined procedures that state officials proposed to make it easier for voters without ID cards to obtain them, “the proposed changes are to occur about five weeks before the general election, and I question whether sufficient time now remains to attain the goal of liberal access” to ID cards.

He said, “I expected more photo IDs to have been issued by this time. For this reason, I accept Petitioners’ argument that in the remaining five weeks before the general election, the gap between the photo IDs issued and the estimated need will not be closed.”

Judge blocks Pennsylvania voter ID law | NBCNews.com

A sensible decision.

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A GOP-backed consulting firm may have submitted "hundreds" of faked voter registration forms in Florida, according to the Florida Department of State.

The GOP cut ties with the third party voter registering company Strategic Allied Consultants on Thursday after the Palm Beach County elections supervisor flagged 106 of the firm's registration forms for having similar handwriting, incorrect addresses and incomplete information.

Since then, elections officials in nine Florida counties have unearthed hundreds of possibly fraudulent registration forms.

Chris Cate, a spokesman for the Florida Department of State, said the state does not yet know the exactly how many forms were allegedly faked. While it is not unusual to get reports of incomplete registration cards, Cate said it is rare for the state to have so many forms with false or wrong information.


"We are concerned about any cases of voter fraud," Cate said. "In this case, it has to do with most allegations regarding bad information on voter applications. We don't know the extent of how it could impact election, but we will let the Florida Department of Law Enforcement determine full extent of the problem."

Strategic Allied Consultants claims the issue stemmed from one employee, who was fired on Sept. 15, but county election officials claim the fraud was more widespread, stretching across counties that are more than 500 miles apart.

"I don't subscribe to the theory that this was the action of one single individual who was able to get into more than half a dozen counties from one end of Florida to the other," said Paul Lux, the Okaloosa County Election Supervisor.

Lux said that out of 2,200 forms that Strategic Allied workers submitted, he and his staff have found about three dozen that appear to be faked. Some have signatures that do not match the names; others are only partially completed and a handful of forms have addresses that do not exist, he said.

"The problem is when you pay someone to do something like this, it kind of lends itself to what do you do to get paid?" Lux said.

The Republican Party of Florida paid Strategic Allied Consultants $1.3 million to register voters starting in July. State party spokesman Brain Burgess said the Republican National Committee asked the state party to hire the consultants and paid for the firm. Before hiring the consulting group, Burgess said Florida Republicans relied solely on volunteers to register voters.


Burgess said the party first learned about the supposed fraud more than one week after the firm fired one of its Palm Beach area workers for allegedly faking the voter forms.

Two days later the Republican National Committee cut ties with the firm and asked state party officials in four other states to do the same. Strategic Allied Consultants was registering voters on behalf of the RNC in five battleground states: Florida, Virginia, North Carolina, Colorado and Nevada.

North Carolina election authorities have flagged five possibly fraudulent forms that the GOP-backed consultant firm submitted. The state's chief election official Gary Bartlett said he believes it was an isolated incident because all five came from the same county.
9 Florida Counties Report Faked Voter Registration Forms From GOP-Backed Firm - ABCNews.com
     
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Oct 2, 2012, 06:56 AM
 
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Not a good run for their ID laws this year. Thank ****.
     
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Oct 2, 2012, 07:01 AM
 
I thought it was funny til I saw this:

http://www.thenation.com/blog/170198...ground-states#
The contractor in Florida is called Strategic Allied Consulting, a business entity created a few months ago and registered online by a former Arizona Republican Party director named Nathan Sproul.

Sproul, a consultant based in Tempe, is infamous for accusations that his firms have committed fraud by tampering with Democratic voter registration forms and suppressing votes.
Brad Friedman has put up a history of Sproul’s companies, and their work for Republican interests. They range from antics like gathering signatures to put Nader on the ballot and being banned from Walmart for partisan voting drives to more serious offenses, like allegedly destroying Democratic registration forms in several states while on the payroll of the RNC.
In 2004, a voter registration worker in Nevada hired by Sproul’s firm told reporters that he had witnessed his surpervisors chucking registration forms signed by Democrats. “They were thrown away in the trash,” he claimed. Sproul’s canvassers in Oregon confessed to doing the same thing, and other reports emerged across several swing states. In Minnesota, workers said they were actually fired for bringing in registration forms signed by Democrats. CBS News obtained faxes showing that Sproul's firm had even impersonated the left-leaning America Votes! to organize voter registration drives at libraries.
Disturbing if true.
     
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The GOP is in the process of firing them and going after them in court.
     
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The GOP is in the process of firing them and going after them in court.
That's all well in good... if they didn't knowingly hire the same dude who apparently pulled some shady shit four years ago.
     
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That's all well in good... if they didn't knowingly hire the same dude who apparently pulled some shady shit four years ago.
There is that.

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With only a month left until Election Day, disputes around the country over new voter ID requirements, early voting, provisional ballots and registration drives are looking far less significant.

“Every voter restriction that has been challenged this year has been either enjoined, blocked or weakened,” said Lawrence Norden of the Brennan Center for Justice, which is part of the New York University School of Law and opposes such restrictions. “It has been an extraordinary string of victories for those opposing these laws.”

Voter ID laws have been taken off the table in Texas and Wisconsin. The Justice Department has blocked such a law in South Carolina, which has appealed in federal court. In Florida and Ohio, early voting and voter-registration drives have been largely restored. New Hampshire is going ahead with its law, but voters who do not have the required document will be permitted to vote and have a month to verify their identity.

Strict voter ID laws remain in Kansas, Indiana, Georgia and Tennessee, but they are not seen as battleground states. And while Pennsylvania seems likely to institute a version of its law in the coming year, it will not affect this election.
Voter ID Rules Fail Court Tests Across Country - NYTimes.com



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I guess this wasn't settled til now.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2012/10/05/...oting-measure/

In August, U.S. District Judge Peter Economus blocked the measure, saying that all Ohioans have a constitutionally protected right to participate in the 2012 election on an equal basis. The judge’s order restored in-person early voting to all Ohio voters up to the day before the election.

Ohio officials maintained the change was necessary to alleviate the strain on elections boards caused by in-person early voting.

The Cincinnati-based U.S. Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit, in affirming Judge Economus’s ruling, said the state hadn’t shown that local election boards would be unable to cope with more early voters.

“While we readily acknowledge the need to provide military voters more time to vote, we see no corresponding justification for giving others less time,” wrote Judge Eric Clay, a Clinton appointee, for the majority.

Ohio Attorney General Mike DeWine, whose office defended the measure, was “reviewing the ruling to determine further action,” a spokesman said.
I suppose the last line implies they could consider appealing again.
     
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Oct 6, 2012, 10:54 AM
 
How exactly is Ohio defining "strain"?

The three extra days costs more money? Start early voting three days later. Revenue neutral, baby.
     
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That's what makes it so infuriating. Their motivation is transparent as ****.
     
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http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...after-election
A special panel of three federal judges in Washington yesterday ruled that given the time left before the election, requiring photo ID at polling stations puts a burden on minority voters that violates the Voting Rights Act of 1965. “Proper and smooth functioning” of a key protection in the South Carolina law can only be assured in elections after this year, the judges said.

“Even assuming the best intentions and extraordinary efforts by all involved, achieving that goal is too much to reasonably demand or expect in a four week-period -- and there is too much of a risk to African-American voters for us to roll the dice in such a fashion,” U.S. Circuit Judge Brett Kavanaugh said in the ruling.
     
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Oct 16, 2012, 07:11 AM
 
So, I guess the entire election must hang on Ohio, because I can't fathom any other reason for them to be fighting three days of voting so hard. This is not about the money.

http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/onpolitix/el...t#.UH14981DFeo
Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted announced Tuesday he will ask the U.S. Supreme Court to make the final determination on whether the state General Assembly or federal courts should set Election laws.
Rich Saphire told her he doesn't think the Supreme Court will review the case not only because it's running out of time and because Ohio's situation is rather unique. The Secretary of State is willing to allow military and overseas voters to cast ballots in person November 3, 4, and 5 but not other registered voters. That is why the Obama/Biden campaign filed a lawsuit.

Saphire said, " I'm not going to sit here and say I think it's outrageous that he would take this case to the Supreme Court, but if in fact he's sincere and serious in what he says is his commitment to provide election system that is open on an equal basis to all eligible voters in the crowd, I think there are better ways to spend his time and the state's money."
So the polls are open the final three days, just not to everyone?

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Oct 16, 2012, 08:52 AM
 
Well, that was resolved quickly. For once.

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/us_...oting_in_ohio/

he Supreme Court is siding with Democrats in refusing to block early voting in the battleground state of Ohio.

The court today refused a Republican request to get involved in a dispute over early voting in the state on the three days before Election Day.
I guess our democracy will have to try to withstand regular citizens and military personnel being allowed to vote side-by-side on the final three days. It may not recover.
     
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@Dakar ....

The entire election does hang on Ohio. No Republican has ever won the White House w/o winning Ohio. Which is precisely why the GOP is trying so hard to suppress likely Democratic voters in that state.

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The entire election does hang on Ohio. No Republican has ever won the White House w/o winning Ohio. Which is precisely why the GOP is trying so hard to suppress likely Democratic voters in that state.
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Well, sort of. If Obama wins Ohio, that's the ballgame. If Romney wins Ohio, Obama can still eke out a victory through various combinations of states, but Ohio is indeed his plan A.
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Well, sort of. If Obama wins Ohio, that's the ballgame. If Romney wins Ohio, Obama can still eke out a victory through various combinations of states, but Ohio is indeed his plan A.
True. But the electoral math gets real interesting if Obama loses Ohio ... especially if he doesn't carry Florida.

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Oct 17, 2012, 03:21 AM
 
Obama basically wins if he carries Ohio, Virginia or Florida, while Romney needs all three. If Obama does lose those three, however, then it will be an interesting night. Then it comes down to Colorado, with some side action in Nevada, Iowa and Wisconsin. Colorado is dead even right now.
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Oct 18, 2012, 10:22 AM
 
Probably covered already, but how does a voter ID law stop alleged voter fraud when everything can be done via mail-in ballot?
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Oct 18, 2012, 10:49 AM
 
That's definitely been a key point.

I've brought up before these laws have appeal to non-criminals, because it's the kind of scam a non-criminal would come up with.
     
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Oct 19, 2012, 07:10 AM
 
A campaign worker linked to a controversial Republican consulting firm has been arrested in Virginia and charged with throwing voter registration forms into a dumpster.

The suspect, Colin Small, 31, was described by a local law enforcement official as a "supervisor" in a Republican Party financed operation to register voters in Rockingham County in rural Virginia, a key swing state in the Nov. 6 election. He was arrested after a local business owner in the same Harrisonburg, Va., shopping center where the local GOP campaign headquarters is located spotted Small tossing a bag into the trash, according to a statement Thursday by the Rockingham County Sheriff’s office. The bag was later found to contain eight voter registration forms, it said. The arrest was reported Thursday night by WWBT-TV in Richmond.


The case comes on the heels of a controversy last month over the activities of Strategic Allied Consulting, an Arizona based consulting firm that was paid $3 million by the Republican National Committee this year to register voters in five battleground states, including Virginia. The firm, run by veteran GOP operative Nathan Sproul, was recently fired by the RNC following reports that its workers had submitted hundreds of suspicious voter registration forms in Florida.
GOP registration worker charged with voter fraud - NBCNews.com

Funny how nearly ALL the cases of actual voter fraud are shenanigans like this by Republicans ... and not this imaginary "voter impersonation" fraud they keep harping about.

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Oct 19, 2012, 07:14 AM
 
PA represent -- aww ****!

I think the GOP suffers from that psychological situation where a spouse will become suspicious and accuse their SO of cheating only it turns out its because they're the ones who are cheating and had a guilty conscience.

Minus the guilty conscience part.
     
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Oct 22, 2012, 06:57 AM
 
More news from Ohio...

http://www.wfmj.com/story/19837835/g...e-ballot-order
Voter rights groups in Ohio are raising questions about an order from the state's elections chief that bans local election boards from calling or emailing people about errors on their absentee ballots.

The directive from Secretary of State Jon Husted (HYOO'-sted) requires boards to notify voters by mail if their ballots are invalid. Voters would then need to appear at their board during office hours to address any problems. He's also told boards to provide accommodations for the disabled.
Is there a logical reason why they'd want to do things this way?



http://www.clevelandleader.com/node/19126
Two days ago, the conservative Supreme Court denied Husted bid to reinstate anti-voter law. Despite all this, Husted has found new ways to limit early voting.

Husted limited early voting hours on the three days leading up to the Nov. 6 election to 8am-2pm on Saturday (Nov. 3), 1pm-5pm on Sunday (Nov. 4), and 8am-2pm on Monday (Nov. 5). During that three day period, Ohioans will have only 16 hours total to cast a ballot.
Holy shit. This guy. This ****ing guy.

Can this even be challenged?

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In 2008, the most populous counties in Ohio allowed more time for early voting—both in terms of days (thirty-five) and hours (on nights and weekends in many places). For the three days before the election, early voting locations were open for a total of twenty-four hours in Columbus’s Franklin County (8-5 on Saturday, 1-5 on Sunday and 8-7 on Monday) and 18 and a half hours in Cleveland’s Cuyahoga County (9-1 on Saturday, 1-5 on Sunday, 8:30-7 pm on Monday). During those final three pre-election days in 2008, 148,000 votes were cast and “wait times stretched 2 1/2 hours,” reported the Columbus Dispatch.
     
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Oct 22, 2012, 07:01 AM
 
Oh yeah, that dude who was caught dumping registration forms?

http://www.examiner.com/article/gop-...-voter-fraud-1
the Republican controlled State Board of Elections will not ask the State Attorney General to investigate the matter.

WTVR.com has reported locally from Virginia that The Virginia State Board of Elections (VSBE) will be refusing to prosecute Colin Small, 31, who was arrested on charges of obstruction of justice and voter fraud. Under the written law the Virgina Attorney General is unable to move forward with a prosecution unless it is requested to investigate by the VSBE. Small, therefore, is off the legal hook despite the fact he was witnessed and there is evidence of him committing a crime.
I'm confused. The sheriff's office charged him. Does this mean those charges were dropped or additional charges won't be forthcoming?
     
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Oct 22, 2012, 08:58 AM
 
From what I could gather, the felony charges seem spurious.

Chucking the forms is only a misdemeanor. The felonies are for "misuse", which would be along the lines of stealing SSNs off the forms.
     
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Oct 22, 2012, 09:24 AM
 
I read something the other day about the electronic voting machines in Ohio are supplied by a company owned by Romney's son. Not sure if it's true are the latest conspiracy theory du jour. I'll dig around and see if I can supply a link from a credible new site.

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Oct 22, 2012, 09:28 AM
 
Originally Posted by OAW View Post
I read something the other day about the electronic voting machines in Ohio are supplied by a company owned by Romney's son. Not sure if it's true are the latest conspiracy theory du jour. I'll dig around and see if I can supply a link from a credible new site.
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Yeah, I heard something about that. Not sure if its much ado about nothing (i.e., how much influence could he possibly have). God knows the machines have been shown to be insecure and unreliable enough without Romney's theoretical influence.
     
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Oct 22, 2012, 09:31 AM
 
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From what I could gather, the felony charges seem spurious.
Chucking the forms is only a misdemeanor. The felonies are for "misuse", which would be along the lines of stealing SSNs off the forms.
Ok, so the charges not being investigated are the heavier felony ones.
     
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Oct 22, 2012, 09:43 AM
 
No, it looks like it's all being dropped. It's just the more serious allegations are likely false.
     
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Oct 25, 2012, 03:34 AM
 
Jim Moran's(D-VA) son just had to resign for telling an undercover reporter how to commit voter fraud.
Dad is congressman from Alexandria VA.
Son was field director for campaign,
Uncle is state Democrat head.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57539706/congressmans-son-resigns-after-voter-fraud-video/

http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/video-captures-dem-campaign-chief-plotting-vote-fraud/
     
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Oct 25, 2012, 07:24 AM
 
YouTube video of Moron's son

[VIDEO]http://youtu.be/gT77qP2Nai8[/VIDEO]
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Oct 25, 2012, 07:35 AM
 
Don't you mean...


So we go this, the shady bullshit being sent to voters in Florida, and the errors in Ohio.

By next week we'll be drowning.
     
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Oct 25, 2012, 08:56 AM
 
A tape of one guy getting pestered 20 minutes until he caves is exactly the same as enacting a law which is so ****ed up a judge needs to overturn it.
     
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A tape of one guy getting pestered 20 minutes until he caves is exactly the same as enacting a law which is so ****ed up a judge needs to overturn it.
Did someone in here claim that?
     
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Oct 25, 2012, 09:06 AM
 
I'd say it's implied.

Chongo and BadKosh are of course free to claim otherwise.
     
 
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