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Aug 16, 2012, 04:17 PM
 
NOT WORKING

"Over 23 million unemployed, underemployed or have given up hope. Unemployment over 8 percent for 40 straight months. And a 45 percent increase in the number of people who need food stamps," the ad's narrator says. "If President Obama's plan worked, how come so many Americans aren't working?"

That's the ad copy.

Here's the ad.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Db7V8DjmAFqU&v=b7V 8DjmAFqU&gl=US

How Can Anyone Support a Second Obama Term?
     
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Aug 16, 2012, 04:32 PM
 
Post... faster. If you start coming across as desperate or frantic, it must be because you're not posting enough. Maybe you need an intern to help type faster?
     
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Aug 16, 2012, 04:40 PM
 
Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton View Post
Post... faster. If you start coming across as desperate or frantic, it must be because you're not posting enough. Maybe you need an intern to help type faster?
I've been under the weather the past couple days and haven't been posting much at all. What are you going on about???

Maybe YOU are the desperate one now that you realize America is getting wise to Barack Obama's dismal performance.

     
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Aug 16, 2012, 05:40 PM
 
Seems like Abe is Obama's Freudling.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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Aug 17, 2012, 05:39 AM
 
I'm beginning to see a pattern here for Abe: the more words and quotes and sources you employ to make a point, the greater the liklihood you are trying to prevent us from focusing on the weak links in your assertions (your words). Of the new PWL threads in the last 24 hours, all were started by Abe.
     
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Aug 17, 2012, 05:53 AM
 
Abe is obviously a foreign agent trying to ruin America by getting them to vote for the party of greatest social unrest and catastrophic foreign policy.
     
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Aug 17, 2012, 06:08 AM
 
Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton View Post
Post... faster. If you start coming across as desperate or frantic, it must be because you're not posting enough. Maybe you need an intern to help type faster?
Yeah, seems like 4 threads got started since I left yesterday. Holy crapballs.
     
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Aug 17, 2012, 07:13 AM
 
Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
I'm beginning to see a pattern here for Abe: the more words and quotes and sources you employ to make a point, the greater the liklihood you are trying to prevent us from focusing on the weak links in your assertions (your words). Of the new PWL threads in the last 24 hours, all were started by Abe.
And, if my AMERICAN history instruction in elementary school was accurate, on the night of April 18, 1775, Paul Revere was the only one spreading the word there was danger afoot.
     
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Aug 17, 2012, 07:26 AM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Yeah, seems like 4 threads got started since I left yesterday. Holy crapballs.
I recall there never a day going by without SOMEONE on these boards posting the pertinent news of the day to discuss. Not for the sake of covering the news but because it seemed interesting or worthy of posting.

Now, it took my return to MacNN to even get some of you to recognize the USA was in trouble with Barack Obama in the White House. And some of you are STILL going to vote for the Foreigner. Until and unless I'm told by the Mods or Admins the acceptable number of threads someone can start within a certain period of time (Holy shades of Free Speech, Batman!) I will continue to exercise the restraint I've used so far in this matter and hope I'm neither breaking any rules nor offending any of the Mods or Admins.

As far as offending you, TFD, it's no BFD to me.
     
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Aug 17, 2012, 07:26 AM
 
(got post jacked)

Regarding Paul revere... He wasn't the only rider. What does that have to do with anything?
     
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Aug 17, 2012, 07:28 AM
 
Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
Abe is obviously a foreign agent trying to ruin America by getting them to vote for the party of greatest social unrest and catastrophic foreign policy.
Sorry, but that was kinda lame.
     
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Aug 17, 2012, 07:29 AM
 
Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
That's not true though, so...
What isn't true, andi*pandi?
     
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Aug 17, 2012, 11:59 AM
 
Obama is:

- socialist
- marxist
- communist
- un-American
- very possibly not even born in this country
- un-qualified
- classist
- hates the rich
- sinister
- incompetent
- divisive
- collaborates with the entire media (except Fox News)
- has scary friends
- has a scary upbringing
- inarticulate
- very likely didn't do well in school
- corrupt to the core
- foreign (which equals BAD!)


Have I gotten all of this right? Since this is so hard to keep track, maybe it would just be easiest to come up with a more pithy, all encompassing word? I'd go with "Nazi", but people fling that word around all the time in general conversation about anything.

How about Satan? You didn't seem to like my calling him a neutered chihuahua.

Obama is Satan.


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Aug 19, 2012, 12:30 AM
 
Obama's plan IS working. That's the problem. He is never going to openly admit that he is trying to damage America, but that has to be his plan. If it isn't, then his plan isn't working. I have no idea why people are so willing to ignore the facts and believe his lies. He doesn't care about them. He cares about their vote. Where is the value in refusing to consider that he wants to steal our country? What kind of person fights for any government to have the right to control its citizens? Is it more fun to hate wealthy people than it is to stand together and fight for something far more valuable than net worth? Capitalism is based on the right to create wealth. It's what has made us the most powerful country in the world. Get informed people, please. Don't hate. Create.
Obama is not honest about what his plan is. If he was he'd be busy trying to explain it. He doesn't even try. All he needs is 3 more months of people believing him but he has done nothing to earn anyone's blind faith.
All I ask is that his supporters entertain the idea that his true intentions have always been very different than his claims. For the sake of our country, try viewing him in that light. He will prove what that plan is. I'm willing to be proven wrong but right or wrong, if he gets re-elected we get what we deserve.
     
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Originally Posted by El Republicano View Post
Obama's plan IS working. That's the problem. He is never going to openly admit that he is trying to damage America, but that has to be his plan. If it isn't, then his plan isn't working. I have no idea why people are so willing to ignore the facts and believe his lies. He doesn't care about them. He cares about their vote. Where is the value in refusing to consider that he wants to steal our country? What kind of person fights for any government to have the right to control its citizens? Is it more fun to hate wealthy people than it is to stand together and fight for something far more valuable than net worth? Capitalism is based on the right to create wealth. It's what has made us the most powerful country in the world. Get informed people, please. Don't hate. Create.
Obama is not honest about what his plan is. If he was he'd be busy trying to explain it. He doesn't even try. All he needs is 3 more months of people believing him but he has done nothing to earn anyone's blind faith.
All I ask is that his supporters entertain the idea that his true intentions have always been very different than his claims. For the sake of our country, try viewing him in that light. He will prove what that plan is. I'm willing to be proven wrong but right or wrong, if he gets re-elected we get what we deserve.
You seem to have the same flaw as Abe: too much incoherence making your viewpoint too difficult to parse in separating your emotions from a factual basis. If you decide to try again, I would suggest not simply doubling down on your feelings, but really break this down in a way that is void of emotion.
     
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Aug 19, 2012, 04:40 AM
 
It won't be devoid of Abe, though, which I suspect may be the problem.
     
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Abe is obviously a foreign agent trying to ruin America by getting them to vote for the party of greatest social unrest and catastrophic foreign policy.
Sorry, but that was kinda lame.
I was being generous, since the only other logical explanation for the show you're putting on is batshit insanity.
     
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Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post

I was being generous, since the only other logical explanation for the show you're putting on is batshit insanity.
Or, he's an Obama operative that is trying to make people think that he represents the right wing, and that they are all batshit insane?
     
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Given his posting history, I'm going with "actually batshit insane".
     
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Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post
Given his posting history, I'm going with "actually batshit insane".
If more people did, perhaps people wouldn't have such a hard time with him? He wouldn't be the only MacNN member that people wouldn't take all that seriously.
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
[QUOTE name="Spheric Harlot" url="/t/491331/how-can-anyone-support-a-second-obama-term#post_4184831"]
Given his posting history, I'm going with "actually batshit insane".
If more people did, perhaps people wouldn't have such a hard time with him? He wouldn't be the only MacNN member that people wouldn't take all that seriously.
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I don't take the guy seriously who stands on the shopping street corner all day and rips into the people who haven't accepted Jesus as their personal saviour, and who still have jobs. But if he spent his time sermonizing outside my living room, I'd call the cops eventually.

(Just to clarify: I have no problem with Christians. But this guy is a complete nutcase, and he shouts. All day.)
     
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Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post

I don't take the guy seriously who stands on the shopping street corner all day and rips into the people who haven't accepted Jesus as their personal saviour, and who still have jobs. But if he spent his time sermonizing outside my living room, I'd call the cops eventually.
(Just to clarify: I have no problem with Christians. But this guy is a complete nutcase, and he shouts. All day.)
I get your point, but I think if we all started thinking of MacNN or any forum as our living rooms we embark down a slippery slope of getting into what is acceptable for Abe to say in his living room, whose living room is more sacred, and what subject matter is not living room material. For instance, I know you don't care for freudling's Apple opinions and theories, but does he have a right to express his opinion, and is this any different than yours or anybody else's?

I say the internet is just the wild wild west where anything goes, that there aren't living rooms, and this sort of thing comes with the territory of being on the internet (I come across stuff I consider crazy in my Facebook stream too). However, I'd also say that the rights of the many probably outweigh the rights of the few, so if Abe was going on and on about killing the jews or using the n-word or something, that would be unacceptable, but I don't see his wild rants against Democrats and Obama as all that different from the rants of many other members that have come and gone.

I just treat him is in-house entertainment, this seems to work for me. He's not the only member I don't take all that seriously and treat in a similar way.
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
For instance, I know you don't care for freudling's Apple opinions and theories, but does he have a right to express his opinion, and is this any different than yours or anybody else's?

I say the internet is just the wild wild west where anything goes, that there aren't living rooms, and this sort of thing comes with the territory of being on the internet (I come across stuff I consider crazy in my Facebook stream too).
I agree.

This isn't the internet, though. This is a privately-owned message board, and the Moderators and Admins get to call what gets a pass and what a fail, here.

I would have no problem at all if Abe plastered a dozen domains of his own with his bullshit.

I don't have to visit this place, either. But I think it's fair to point out that my willingness to visit here rather depends upon it not being ****ING ANNOYING.
     
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Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot View Post

I agree.
This isn't the internet, though. This is a privately-owned message board, and the Moderators and Admins get to call what gets a pass and what a fail, here.
I would have no problem at all if Abe plastered a dozen domains of his own with his bullshit.
I don't have to visit this place, either. But I think it's fair to point out that my willingness to visit here rather depends upon it not being ****ING ANNOYING.
I agree that the moderators and admins get to decide this stuff, but I would assume that they wish for this place to be open and not just a little clique.
     
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Aug 19, 2012, 07:13 PM
 
Someone at Newsweek believes it time for BO to go.
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Since many Canadians seem to like him, let's send BHO there

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Since many Canadians seem to like him, let's send BHO there
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Would be a massive improvement over the jackass we have elected currently. I am all in favor of a swap. Take our Harper and give us your Obama.
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LOL, I'd make that swap. You Canuckistanis deserve an equal amount of "hope" and "change"

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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post

I agree that the moderators and admins get to decide this stuff, but I would assume that they wish for this place to be open and not just a little clique.
Right, because without Abe around, everyone in the PWL agree that Obama is the greatest president ever?
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How can anyone support a second Obama term? Because the numbers speak for themselves .....

“Without a doubt President Obama inherited a difficult situation. Here’s the problem. He made it worse,” Paul Ryan, the Republican vice presidential candidate, has been saying in his stump speech.

Ryan’s statement consists of two parts; the first is gross understatement, the second gross misstatement. It is the misstatement that is the essence of the case Republicans are putting before American voters: That President Obama has made the economy worse. Getting voters to believe that assertion is probably the Republicans’ only hope of winning the election.


In the latest poll (a Wall Street Journal and NBC News survey released on Tuesday), respondents favor President Obama over Gov. Romney — generally by wide margins — in almost every category other than improving the economy. On “caring about average people,” for example, Obama is favored by an extraordinary margin to 52 percent to 30 percent.

So the argument that President Obama has made the economy worse is not only central to the Republicans’ case, it’s pretty much all they have. But the facts do not support their claims.

The following graph, which I put together using data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, traces the annual rate of job creation under Democratic and Republican administrations from Harry Truman to Obama — with 2009 separated out as a year in which any fair-minded person would agree that the “difficult situation” Obama inherited was the main driving force. It dramatically illustrates just how wrong Ryan’s assertion is.


Source: Wall Street Journal, Bureau of Labor Statistics



Source: Bureau of Labor Statistics

Has Obama Made the Job Situation Worse? - NYTimes.com

What these figures show is that the economy President Obama inherited had been driven off a cliff. It was in complete free-fall and the world was headed into a global depression. The US economy was shedding 750K jobs a month when he was inaugurated. His policies stabilized the financial sector, saved the US auto industry, and essentially brought the downward spiral to a halt and put it on the path to recovery with the stimulus package. Again, the numbers speak for themselves ....

President Bush inherited a thriving economy that was just beginning to decline due to the Dot Com crash along with a federal budget surplus. In his 8 year Administration his net job creation was less than 500K. Essentially flat for all intents and purposes. Contrast that with President Obama who inherited an economy in total free fall and $1T+ federal deficits. His 4 year Administration (thus far) has resulted in a net job creation of 1.5M. IOW, the economy under the Obama Administration has RECOVERED the millions of jobs lost since he was inaugurated and ADDED an additional 1.5 million jobs in 4 years ... which is 50% of the net job creation of 3 million jobs during the 8 year Clinton Administration. And did I mention that the net job creation of the Clinton Administration was the largest since the Truman Administration? And did I also mention that the net job creation under Democratic administrations DWARFS that under GOP administrations? I mean ... I'm just saying.

"But Obama said that the stimulus program would keep the unemployment rate under 8%. It's at 8.3% now!"

Waaahhh ... waaaahhh ....wahhh!

First of all President Obama never said that. It was an economist in the Obama Administration who made that projection. In any event, regardless of who said what the bottom line is the projection was wrong. The economic model that was utilized either A) didn't reflect just how bad the economy was at the time ... which is understandable given the chaos afoot during the initial months of the Obama Administration, or B) had to be "tweaked" in order to reflect the political reality that Congress would balk at a $1T price tag on stimulus ... even though more was actually needed ... in the realization that something was better than nothing. That being said, the projection being off with respect to the impact of the stimulus program on the unemployment rate IN NO WAY NEGATES the actual figures with respect to net job creation.

For Romney, Ryan et al to claim that "President Obama has made the economy worse." is pure, unadulterated mendacity of the highest order. This election basically comes down to a simple analogy.

President Bush's (and the GOP Congress') economic policies put the US economy into a deep hole. President Obama's (and a Democratic Congress') economic policies have brought the US economy halfway out of that deep hole. Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan et al ... who essentially advocate a return to the economic policies that put the economy into the hole in the first place ... are now telling the US electorate that President Obama has "made the economy worse" because it is still in the hole. Completely ignoring the facts with respect to the "depth". And if you believe that BS then you are either arithmetically challenged or willfully obtuse. Period.

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Aug 22, 2012, 01:48 PM
 
Someone at Newsweek believes that President Obama should stay in office.

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What would be interesting, if some one took a photo of Obama and made him white and took a photo of Romney and made him black and put the 2 side by side with text, who would you vote for with no names on it. I wonder how many Americans would point to Obama who otherwise wouldn't have if the skin color was left intact.
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Obama is:

- socialist
- marxist
- communist
- un-American
- very possibly not even born in this country
- un-qualified
- classist
- hates the rich
- sinister
- incompetent
- divisive
- collaborates with the entire media (except Fox News)
- has scary friends
- has a scary upbringing
- inarticulate
- very likely didn't do well in school
- corrupt to the core
- foreign (which equals BAD!)


Have I gotten all of this right? Since this is so hard to keep track, maybe it would just be easiest to come up with a more pithy, all encompassing word? I'd go with "Nazi", but people fling that word around all the time in general conversation about anything. 

How about Satan? You didn't seem to like my calling him a neutered chihuahua.

Obama is Satan. 


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I agree with your list except for the final four items.
     
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I agree with your list except for the final four items.
So, Satan it is? There is enough there to justify calling him Satan.
     
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So, Satan it is? There is enough there to justify calling him Satan.
I won't call him Satan, but I think it would be groovy if you did.
     
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Aug 23, 2012, 08:05 PM
 
Let's see if the MSM reports this. I doubt it will.

U.S. Incomes Fell More In Recovery, Sentier Says

American incomes declined more in the three-year expansion that started in June 2009 than during the longest recession since the Great Depression, according an analysis of U.S. Census Bureau data by Sentier Research LLC.
Median household income fell 4.8 percent on an inflation- adjusted basis since the recession ended in June 2009, more than the 2.6 percent drop during the 18-month contraction, the research firm’s Gordon Green and John Coder wrote in a report today. Household income is 7.2 percent below the December 2007 level, the former Census Bureau economic statisticians wrote.
“Almost every group is worse off than it was three years ago, and some groups had very large declines in income,” Green, who previously directed work on the Census Bureau’s income and poverty statistics program, said in a phone interview today. “We’re in an unprecedented period of economic stagnation.”
While gains in hourly earnings and average hours worked per week may have had “a minor mitigating effect” on income declines, they couldn’t offset a jobless rate that hasn’t fallen below 8 percent since February 2009 and a record duration of unemployment, according to the Annapolis, Maryland-based firm.
The average duration of unemployment increased to a record 41 weeks in November and remains at 39 weeks, Labor Department data show. Almost 5.2 million Americans have been out of work for at least six months.
Earnings Drop
Real median annual household income fell to $53,508 from $54,916 during the 18-month recession from December 2007 to June 2009, according to the firm’s study of income data for the 36- month period ended in June 2012. Incomes kept falling during the 36-month period since then, dropping to $50,964 in June 2012.
Men living alone experienced the worst drop in income, losing 9.4 percent, while married couples fared best with a 3.6 percent decline, the report shows. Incomes are before tax and adjusted for changes in consumer prices and expressed in constant June 2012 dollars.
“Median annual household income declined significantly for both family and non-family households,” Green and Coder wrote. “Real median annual household income declined more significantly for younger households.”
Incomes for all age groups below 65 years fell, while older Americans saw increases. Incomes for those 55 to 64 fell the most, losing 9.7 percent, followed by the 8.9 percent decline for 25- to 34-year-olds. The two gains were among those 65 to 75, whose incomes rose 6.5 percent, and those 75 and up who experienced an increase of 2.8 percent.
By education, Americans with some college lost the most, with incomes falling 9.3 percent, followed by an 8.6 percent slump for those with associate degrees, the report said. Those without high school degrees lost the least, falling 5.3 percent.
Green is a former chief of the governments division at the Census Bureau, the report said. Coder was chief of the Income Statistics Branch at the bureau, where he oversaw collection and processing of income data and developed new survey methods.
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
Let's see if the MSM reports this. I doubt it will.
U.S. Incomes Fell More In Recovery, Sentier Says
I'm not surprised. I dealt with a two-year pay freeze where I worked.

Between pay cuts, freezes, and a buyers market for jobs, of course wages have gone down. That's how capitalism works, right?

I would be curious how you tie this to Obama, though. Should he be increasing everyone pay using those large piles of cash all those companies are sitting on?
     
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Lets ask his Twitter followers.........

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/08/obama-has-millions-of-fake-twitter-followers/1#.UDe0SL-hAcu


Bwa-ha-ha-ha. More lies and misrepresentations from the "New lie every day Obama campaign of hate"
     
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The eeeeevil Ctizens United has a nice documentary that will hit the airwaves soon. It looks quite interesting. I hope the people who appear in it are ready for the attack that sure to come.

[VIDEO]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLelSaD1zHU&hd=1[/VIDEO]
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The eeeeevil Ctizens United has a nice documentary that will hit the airwaves soon. It looks quite interesting. I hope the people who appear in it are ready for the attack that sure to come.
[VIDEO]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLelSaD1zHU&hd=1[/VIDEO]
OMG! This looks like an AMAZING film!!!

It sums up the thoughts and feelings of millions of Americans who tried to do the "right thing" by giving Obama a chance only to be disappointed.
     
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Aug 24, 2012, 11:32 PM
 
Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
Lets ask his Twitter followers.........
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2012/08/obama-has-millions-of-fake-twitter-followers/1#.UDe0SL-hAcu
Bwa-ha-ha-ha. More lies and misrepresentations from the "New lie every day Obama campaign of hate"
Here's a graph of Romney's Twitter followers.



Since I know you find double standards so infuriating, I shouldn't have to wait long for you to denounce his campaign of hate.
     
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That's funny, the last I checked, it was the U.S. Congress, not the President, that is responsible for passing jobs legislation. Don't forget that since President Obama took office, the Republicans in Congress have introduced exactly zero jobs legislation, while fighting every effort by the Obama Administration and the Democrats in Congress to pass any such legislation.

All the Republicans seem to be able to do is to serve their deep-pocketed benefactors by continuing to try to remove more and more regulatory hindrance to unbridled corporate profit, while simultaneously calling to continue the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, saying that we shouldn't be raising taxes on the "job creators." Ignoring for the moment that letting the tax cuts lapse is not a tax increase but a restoration of the pre-temporary tax break tax levels, as was originally voted upon by both parties, I have two questions:

1. If these tax cuts have been in place since being passed by the Republican Congress and signed by G. W. Bush, where are all of those jobs that these supposed job creators are supposed to have created?

2. If the Republicans were so concerned about American jobs, wouldn't they have worked hand in hand with a willing Obama to fix the economy? Why did they instead engage in a "damn the economy, let's shut down any Obama success" policy, if it isn't just to regain the Presidency and further their own radical agenda of dismantling the social safety net and maximizing profits for their corporate benefactors at the expense of the public well-being?
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Aug 27, 2012, 04:12 AM
 
Originally Posted by rexray View Post
That's funny, the last I checked, it was the U.S. Congress, not the President, that is responsible for passing jobs legislation. Don't forget that since President Obama took office, the Republicans in Congress have introduced exactly zero jobs legislation, while fighting every effort by the Obama Administration and the Democrats in Congress to pass any such legislation.
Welcome to the forum.

Do you have anything at all to substantiate your claim that Republicans in Congress have introduced exactly zero jobs legislation?

I ask because House Republicans have introduced a slew of jobs bills and exactly zero of them have been acted upon by the party of "NO!" in the Senate including; H.R. 872, H.R. 910, H. J. Res. 37, H.R. 2587, H.R. 2401, H.R. 2250, H.R. 1230, H.R. 1229, H.R. 1231, H.R. 2021, H.R. 1938...

Of course, the rest of your post seems to be parroting other such party-line drivel so we'll use the above as an audit of your degree of reason before moving on.
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Originally Posted by ebuddy View Post

Welcome to the forum.
Do you have anything at all to substantiate your claim that Republicans in Congress have introduced exactly zero jobs legislation?
I ask because House Republicans have introduced a slew of jobs bills and exactly zero of them have been acted upon by the party of "NO!" in the Senate including; H.R. 872, H.R. 910, H. J. Res. 37, H.R. 2587, H.R. 2401, H.R. 2250, H.R. 1230, H.R. 1229, H.R. 1231, H.R. 2021, H.R. 1938...
Of course, the rest of your post seems to be parroting other such party-line drivel so we'll use the above as an audit of your degree of reason before moving on.
I only looked up the first bill in your list, HR 872, but it certainly does not look like much of a jobs bill:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr872

are you sure that these are jobs bills?
     
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Aug 27, 2012, 05:21 AM
 
Originally Posted by ebuddy View Post

Welcome to the forum.
Do you have anything at all to substantiate your claim that Republicans in Congress have introduced exactly zero jobs legislation?
I ask because House Republicans have introduced a slew of jobs bills and exactly zero of them have been acted upon by the party of "NO!" in the Senate including; H.R. 872, H.R. 910, H. J. Res. 37, H.R. 2587, H.R. 2401, H.R. 2250, H.R. 1230, H.R. 1229, H.R. 1231, H.R. 2021, H.R. 1938...
Of course, the rest of your post seems to be parroting other such party-line drivel so we'll use the above as an audit of your degree of reason before moving on.
I looked up one more, HR 910, it is also an environmental bill:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr910
     
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Aug 27, 2012, 07:45 PM
 
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I looked up one more, HR 910, it is also an environmental bill:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr910
H.R. 872: Reducing Regulatory Burdens Act of 2011
H.R. 910: Energy Tax Prevention Act of 2011

You might know that among the most important differences between the parties on jobs is the burden of taxes and regulations on a major hiring entity. I suppose if the bill must say "Jobs Bill" we're likely looking at zero jobs legislation from anyone in which case we're mired in meaninglessness.
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Originally Posted by ebuddy View Post

H.R. 872: Reducing Regulatory Burdens Act of 2011
H.R. 910: Energy Tax Prevention Act of 2011
You might know that among the most important differences between the parties on jobs is the burden of taxes and regulations on a major hiring entity. I suppose if the bill must say "Jobs Bill" we're likely looking at zero jobs legislation from anyone in which case we're mired in meaninglessness.
So anything that puts more money in the pockets of companies is a jobs bill now? Bit of a stretch, don't you think?
     
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Aug 27, 2012, 08:12 PM
 
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So anything that puts more money in the pockets of companies is a jobs bill now? Bit of a stretch, don't you think?
Well, anytime companies get more money, they obviously invest that money into jobs, right?
     
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Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post

Well, anytime companies get more money, they obviously invest that money into jobs, right?
Oh yeah, I forgot... It's a good thing we have those Bush tax cuts or else we'd all be unemployed!
     
 
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