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Mar 6, 2013, 04:10 PM
 
Rand Paul filibustering Brennan nomination to lead CIA

John Brennan's nomination to lead the CIA was delayed Wednesday by a one-senator filibuster by Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., about concerns about the legality of drone strikes against U.S. citizens overseas.

"I'm going to speak as long as I can to draw attention to something I find very disturbing," said Paul, who started speaking at 11:45 a.m.
A real filibuster! Granted, I'm not completely convinced this is the right venue, but the topic is related and amazingly, I agree. I may not be this impressed by the political system again for many many years.
     
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Mar 6, 2013, 05:59 PM
 
Indeed. If you are going to filibuster do it right. And Sen. Paul raised some substantive issues IMO. I have no problem with his actions at all.

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Mar 6, 2013, 06:26 PM
 
Could be a future president.
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Mar 7, 2013, 10:19 AM
 
Originally Posted by Shaddim View Post
Could be a future president.
Let's not get carried away here.
     
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Mar 7, 2013, 10:29 AM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Let's not get carried away here.
If filibuster skills don't qualify you for president, then what does?
     
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Mar 7, 2013, 10:30 AM
 
Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton View Post
If filibuster skills don't qualify you for president, then what does?
How well you can organize a community.
     
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Mar 7, 2013, 02:31 PM
 
Originally Posted by Shaddim View Post
Could be a future president.

The guy that said that the murder of the 4 US dudes in Libya was the "worst tragedy since 9/11"?
     
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Mar 7, 2013, 06:09 PM
 
Sen. Paul started off raising some valid issues I stated earlier. Then he just couldn't restrain himself and veered off into far-right Libertarian paranoia. The Jane Fonda analogy was particularly silly.

That being said, I still applaud the man for having to gumption to stage a bonafide, "real deal Holyfield" filibuster.

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Mar 7, 2013, 07:29 PM
 
I'm not sure why a filibuster is supposed to be such an ordeal. Just wear Depends. Hell, McCain and Pelosi probably already do.
     
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Mar 7, 2013, 07:36 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
How well you can organize a community.
and write sermons.
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Mar 8, 2013, 10:36 AM
 
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I'm not sure why a filibuster is supposed to be such an ordeal. Just wear Depends. Hell, McCain and Pelosi probably already do.
You're not sure why standing and talking ad infinitum is an ordeal?
     
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Mar 8, 2013, 03:35 PM
 
Gosh, it was joke.
     
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Mar 8, 2013, 03:37 PM
 
God dammit
     
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Mar 8, 2013, 04:12 PM
 
Rand Paul is not to be confused with Ron Paul.
"…I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than
you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods,
you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen F. Roberts
     
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Mar 8, 2013, 04:13 PM
 
Originally Posted by olePigeon View Post
Rand Paul is not to be confused with Ron Paul.
and neither is to be confused with Paul Ryan
     
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Mar 12, 2013, 01:10 PM
 
Which Beatle was he?
     
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The one with the abs.
     
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Mar 18, 2013, 11:19 AM
 
Rand Paul won the CPAC straw poll and now I'm left with this feeling that the timing of his real filibuster is suspect.
     
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Mar 18, 2013, 01:27 PM
 
He must feel emboldened by North Dakota.

"Preborn human." When conservative terminology starts sounding like PC terminology, that's when you know they're bullshitting you hard.
     
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Mar 18, 2013, 08:04 PM
 
Well, there goes my opinion of him... I'm going to just write-in Penn Jillette on the presidential ballot next time.
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Mar 18, 2013, 08:36 PM
 
Uh, Rand Paul has always been anti-abortion. This isn't new.
     
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Mar 18, 2013, 10:00 PM
 
I have a great deal of respect for Sen. Paul. I don't think he was grandstanding.

Who I have NO respect for are Sen. McCain and Graham. During the filibuster they were eating dinner with Prez Obama, and the next morning proceeded to slam Sen. Paul for what he did. Pretty clear THAT connection, huh?
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Mar 18, 2013, 11:34 PM
 
Originally Posted by lpkmckenna View Post
Uh, Rand Paul has always been anti-abortion. This isn't new.
It's not a case of whether the spigot is off or on, few things are rarely so simple.
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Mar 19, 2013, 10:10 AM
 
Originally Posted by Shaddim View Post
Well, there goes my opinion of him... I'm going to just write-in Penn Jillette on the presidential ballot next time.
I feel like this isn't out of the ordinary for him.

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Who I have NO respect for are Sen. McCain and Graham. During the filibuster they were eating dinner with Prez Obama, and the next morning proceeded to slam Sen. Paul for what he did. Pretty clear THAT connection, huh?
Not sure what you mean, but I assume every politician who slammed him had a case of either the 'don't make us look bads' (taking a stand in a useful way) or was afraid that the public support of a real filibuster opened the door to better reform by Reid (who doesn't have the balls, so don't worry about it).
     
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Mar 19, 2013, 05:23 PM
 
Rand Paul Pitches Pathway for Undocumented Immigrants

Republican Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky today endorsed a permanent legal status for undocumented immigrants, adding his voice to the debate as separate groups on Capitol Hill search for a way forward on the thorny political issue and beginning "a dialogue between the GOP and Latinos."

In his first major speech on the subject, Paul did not use the word "citizenship" in remarks before the Hispanic Chamber of Commerce in Washington, the libertarian suggested that people who are in the country illegally should be able to stay without returning to their home country.
     
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Mar 20, 2013, 06:50 AM
 
"I think we are trapped," Paul said. "The immigration debate has been trapped and it's been polarized by two terms: 'path to citizenship' and amnesty.
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Apr 24, 2013, 05:21 PM
 
Related: Rand Paul Backs Drone Killing Of Hypothetical Armed Robber

"Here's the distinction: I have never argued against any technology being used when you have an imminent threat, an act of crime going on," Paul said on Fox Business Network. "If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and $50 in cash, I don't care if a drone kills him or a policeman kills him. But it's different if they want to come fly over your hot tub or your yard just because they want to do surveillance on everyone, and they want to watch your activities."
     
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Apr 24, 2013, 05:34 PM
 
What do you think of his statement?
     
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Apr 24, 2013, 05:39 PM
 
A poor example, at best. Horrific philosophy at worst. Drones can't arrest people. In a theoretical world where the police have easy and widespread access to drones, it appears Paul is fine with them acting as judge, jury, and executioner.
     
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Apr 24, 2013, 05:42 PM
 
Clarification just came up: Sen. Paul Statement on Domestic Drone Use Rand Paul | United States Senator

"My comments last night left the mistaken impression that my position on drones had changed.


"Let me be clear: it has not. Armed drones should not be used in normal crime situations. They may only be considered in extraordinary, lethal situations where there is an ongoing, imminent threat. I described that scenario previously during my Senate filibuster.

"Additionally, surveillance drones should only be used with warrants and specific targets.

"Fighting terrorism and capturing terrorists must be done while preserving our constitutional protections. This was demonstrated last week in Boston. As we all seek to prevent future tragedies, we must continue to bear this in mind."
Well, this I endorse fully.
     
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Apr 24, 2013, 05:50 PM
 
The original statement seemed so wide open he may as well have said "I support Robocop shooting an armed robber".
     
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Apr 24, 2013, 08:48 PM
 
Armed drones should not be used in normal crime situations.
Armed drones in any law enforcement capacity is fncking terrifying.
     
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Apr 25, 2013, 04:16 AM
 
Originally Posted by lpkmckenna View Post
Armed drones in any law enforcement capacity is fncking terrifying.
I'm firmly on the "it's a tool" side. The issue is going to be how it's used.
     
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Apr 25, 2013, 11:04 AM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
the original statement seemed so wide open he may as well have said "i support judge dredd shooting an armed robber".
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Apr 25, 2013, 01:32 PM
 
There's an issue with a policeman shooting an armed robber?
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