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Oct 10, 2013, 02:25 PM
 
Oops: Azerbaijan released election results before voting had even started

President Ilham Aliyev, who took over from his father 10 years ago, has stepped up intimidation of activists and journalists. Rights groups are complaining about free speech restrictions and one-sided state media coverage. The BBC's headline for its story on the election reads "The Pre-Determined President." So expectations were pretty low.

Even still, one expects a certain ritual in these sorts of authoritarian elections, a fealty to at least the appearance of democracy, if not democracy itself. So it was a bit awkward when Azerbaijan's election authorities released vote results – a full day before voting had even started.

The vote counts – spoiler alert: Aliyev was shown as winning by a landslide – were pushed out on an official smartphone app run by the Central Election Commission. It showed Aliyev as "winning" with 72.76 percent of the vote. That's on track with his official vote counts in previous elections: he won ("won"?) 76.84 percent of the vote in 2003 and 87 percent in 2008.
The data were quickly recalled. The official story is that the app's developer had mistakenly sent out the 2008 election results as part of a test. But that's a bit flimsy, given that the released totals show the candidates from this week, not from 2008.
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Oct 10, 2013, 02:38 PM
 
Couldn't they have claimed the developer put in "dummy" numbers? I came up with that excuse reading the story (IOW, didn't take me long).
     
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Oct 11, 2013, 09:45 AM
 
This is what laughingbunny was talking about in the "abolish political parties" thread. We might call such countries "democracies in name only," but since this sort of thing has gone on since early in the 20th Century in some areas (including Azerbaijan since its Sovietization), some of us just consider the locale and sigh. Azerbaijan will never be a truly representative democracy until Laughing Boy Aliyev is essentially overthrown, and we'll be seeing reports of the bloodshed from that process for years...

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Oct 11, 2013, 11:20 AM
 
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Oct 11, 2013, 11:24 AM
 
Originally Posted by mattyb View Post
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Oct 11, 2013, 11:47 AM
 
If you insist.

The same thing happened in our so called first world democracies years ago. The Azerbaijanis just need to catch up. Give them 100 years.
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Oct 11, 2013, 11:48 AM
 
Originally Posted by mattyb View Post
If you insist.

The same thing happened in our so called first world democracies years ago. The Azerbaijanis just need to catch up. Give them 100 years.
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Oct 11, 2013, 11:55 AM
 
Mini buses full of people going from county to county to vote in the 50s, 60s? The UK has had its share. "Electoral Fraud UK" yields some recent stuff.

Those who do nothing but criticize America may even bring up the Bush Gore election as evidence.

If you believe some books written by Mafia types : Kennedy
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Oct 11, 2013, 11:58 AM
 
Oh, I thought you meant full-out rigging, not ballot stuffing. Those examples aren't like the situation in the OP.
     
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Oct 11, 2013, 12:08 PM
 
I searched a bit : RangeVoting.org - US Presidents and Election Fraud

No idea who wrote this stuff,just posting as reference.
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Oct 12, 2013, 12:24 PM
 
The RangeVoting.org stuff isn't new, but it's presented as if it's only recently been unearthed. Organized fraud has been around for a long time, but the way the website casts ALL of what it posts makes it sound like everything is fraudulent, particularly its handling of the election in 2000. When they post numbers (like their mention of certain Texas counties' irregularities), you can see that they're really talking about almost insignificant levels of fraud. Unlike the LBJ Senate election in 1948 (which according to that site was tipped by fraudulent practices in one county, a debatable point at best), almost all of what they post is still in the range of "background noise" instead of potentially substantial fraud.

I'll also point out that, like just about all documented election fraud in the U.S., RangeVoting.org identifies organized actions of corrupt (or supposedly corrupt) party or election officials. NOT individual voters attempting to fraudulently vote by pretending to be eligible voters when they're not... There's no documented evidence of "graveyard voters" being actual individuals pretending to be the dead voters, and only scant evidence or ineligible individuals trying to vote, intentionally or not.

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