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Mar 14, 2017, 09:36 AM
 
Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
Black and white , or precise? What exact shade of gray are we talking about. You overthink things until its too fuzzy to resolve.
The exact opposite of precise. You just label everything to the left of you a "liberal" meaning totalitarian or communist and leave it at that. How is that in any way precise?

As your fist sentence illustrates. You seem to be incapable of recognising grey exists. Not an overly useful trait.
     
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
Has anyone else noticed that its apparently fine for the right to label liberals as all being SJW snowflakes who need safe spaces, but its not ok for us to assume they are all barely literate inbred redneck misogynist Fox News watching klan members with gun fetishes?
Double standard much?
All? No one's said "all", sport. Maybe if you stopped looking at everything in absolute terms you'd finally find a clue?

Oh, and "liberals" aren't the problem, it's authoritarian knobs on the Left posing as liberals that are.
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Mar 14, 2017, 06:51 PM
 
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
Oh, and "liberals" aren't the problem, it's authoritarian knobs on the Left posing as liberals that are.
So you would be happy agreeing that authoritarian knobs on the right posing as republicans are also a problem?
     
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
All? No one's said "all", sport. Maybe if you stopped looking at everything in absolute terms you'd finally find a clue?
Funny, I think thats the point I was making.

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
"liberals" aren't the problem
I just wanted to quote you saying this.

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
authoritarian knobs on the Left posing as liberals that are.
Aren't non-authoritarian liberals just libertarians? or anarchists?
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Originally Posted by Doc HM View Post
So you would be happy agreeing that authoritarian knobs on the right posing as republicans are also a problem?
Anyone who works to suppress freedom of speech/expression is a problem.
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
Funny, I think thats the point I was making.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/l...muno-loops#/Oh, and "liberals" aren't the problem

I just wanted to quote you saying this.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/l...oops#/it's authoritarian knobs on the Left posing as liberals that are
Aren't non-authoritarian liberals just libertarians? or anarchists?
I can't even make heads or tails out of what you're trying to say.
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Mar 15, 2017, 06:43 AM
 
Not sure how that happened.
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Mar 15, 2017, 07:07 AM
 
Originally Posted by Doc HM View Post
The exact opposite of precise. You just label everything to the left of you a "liberal" meaning totalitarian or communist and leave it at that. How is that in any way precise?

As your fist sentence illustrates. You seem to be incapable of recognising grey exists. Not an overly useful trait.
You reading comprehension skills SUCK!

"What exact shade of gray are we talking about."

That calls for a specific shade. Not exact enough for you? OBVIOUSLY I understand greys exist, you just didn't get the question.
     
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Mar 15, 2017, 07:09 AM
 
Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
Gun fetishes?
MORE fictional stereotypes?
     
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
You reading comprehension skills SUCK!

"What exact shade of gray are we talking about."

That calls for a specific shade. Not exact enough for you? OBVIOUSLY I understand greys exist, you just didn't get the question.
No, your writing sucks. First you failed to phrase it as a question, so it's just rhetoric. Secondly the actual words you use make no sense. What am I supposed to glean from it? (see a question)

YOU get less sucky, then we can discuss grey areas.
     
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Mar 15, 2017, 09:15 AM
 
So, you don't think a grey area can be specifically identified? Perhaps too many years doing IBM 360-370 Assembler code has me seeing ways to specifically identify the subject and points about them. For me I would continue to ask 'yes/no' questions to clarify.
     
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Mar 15, 2017, 10:21 AM
 
Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
So, you don't think a grey area can be specifically identified? Perhaps too many years doing IBM 360-370 Assembler code has me seeing ways to specifically identify the subject and points about them. For me I would continue to ask 'yes/no' questions to clarify.
It not that grey areas don't exist, obviously, its that you never seem to acknowledge any. Your posts are pretty unhelpfully binary. Also aggressive, as in your claim that I SUCK, at comprehension, you even leap straight to caps.

To go to (just) your last post " liberals live in..." "all liberals..."

This is how you post. That's the lack of grey. In your world not in the actual world.
     
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Mar 15, 2017, 10:27 AM
 
Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
Aren't non-authoritarian liberals just libertarians? or anarchists?
No, they're just liberals, it's not a dirty word. What modern "progressives" have done to the name of liberalism is a crime.
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New Rubin Report is out, good timing:

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Originally Posted by Doc HM View Post
It not that grey areas don't exist, obviously, its that you never seem to acknowledge any. Your posts are pretty unhelpfully binary. Also aggressive, as in your claim that I SUCK, at comprehension, you even leap straight to caps.

To go to (just) your last post " liberals live in..." "all liberals..."

This is how you post. That's the lack of grey. In your world not in the actual world.
Which "last post" are you talking about?
     
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
Which "last post" are you talking about?
Are you really trying to make an argument that you don't generalize against liberals?
     
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Mar 15, 2017, 12:01 PM
 
Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
Which "last post" are you talking about?
Given I quotes parts of that post in my post I have to assume you are just being deliberately stupid.
     
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Originally Posted by Doc HM View Post
Given I quotes parts of that post in my post I have to assume you are just being deliberately stupid.
Uhh... I'm not seeing it either.


This is the quoted post:

Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
So, you don't think a grey area can be specifically identified? Perhaps too many years doing IBM 360-370 Assembler code has me seeing ways to specifically identify the subject and points about them. For me I would continue to ask 'yes/no' questions to clarify.

The word liberal isn't in it.
     
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Mar 15, 2017, 05:05 PM
 
Originally Posted by Subego
Uhh... I'm not seeing it either.
He didn't quote it using markup, but it's not that hard to find, last page, 8th from the bottom.

Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
Liberals live in a dream world. This is why they so easily fall for fictional movies and thinking its real.

They should all dress like Tarkin.
Not sure why he said 'last post,' but there you go.
     
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Mar 15, 2017, 05:46 PM
 
Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
Liberals live in a dream world. This is why they so easily fall for fictional movies and thinking its real.

They should all dress like Tarkin.
Sorry. I was rushing and indeed being sucky at posting.
Mentally I had this as my original post and BK's reply as his first post to my comment. None of which made sense to outside eyes or brains.

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Mar 15, 2017, 07:55 PM
 
Fair enough.

I wasn't doubting an example could be found, I just wasn't finding it where I was told to.
     
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Mar 16, 2017, 07:30 AM
 
Doesn't help when discussing being precise either.
     
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Mar 16, 2017, 07:42 AM
 
Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
Doesn't help when discussing being precise either.
We were actually discussing having a black and white world view, not being precise.

To be precise.

But it was confusing and sloppy of me. I should have waited until I had more time to post. Sorry about that.
     
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Mar 16, 2017, 12:11 PM
 
No problem. Also, thinking about it.... Is "Precise" a measurement or opinion? There are levels of precision. Hmmmm.
     
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Mar 16, 2017, 12:12 PM
 
So, some emotion driven lib attacked Michael Savage and his dog.

Pro-Trump radio host Michael Savage claims he was attacked | Daily Mail Online
     
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Mar 16, 2017, 12:19 PM
 
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So, some emotion driven lib attacked Michael Savage and his dog.

Pro-Trump radio host Michael Savage claims he was attacked | Daily Mail Online
Speaking of struggling to find reference to Liberal in a post. Can't see where in the mail (top source by the way. Quality reporting 7 days a week at the Mail), it mentions the assailants political beliefs. I would imagine this Savage guy routinely insults people on air? Whoever assaulted him could have done it for a thousand reasons. None of which would be valid by the way.

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Another "nazi" punching incident, apparently. Pathetic.
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Mar 16, 2017, 12:43 PM
 
Sounds like Savage needs a safe space.
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Away from emotion driven, undisciplined, wack jobs. Savage needs to get rid of the poodle and get a Pit Bull.
     
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A safe space from stalking, harassment, and assault? Maybe. However, people like the assailant definitely need one, we call it jail.
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
Away from emotion driven, undisciplined, wack jobs. Savage needs to get rid of the poodle and get a Pit Bull.
but not a liberal emotion driven undisciplined wack job.

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Mar 17, 2017, 12:28 PM
 
College removes scales from gym after students complain it's 'triggering'
Of course it would be better if people focused less on weight in general, but that message will be lost now due to the triggering issue being the most important reason for this.
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Following three days of online backlash from students, Marshall told CBC, "we will weigh the pros and cons and may reconsider our decision."
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College removes scales from gym after students complain it's 'triggering'
Of course it would be better if people focused less on weight in general, but that message will be lost now due to the triggering issue being the most important reason for this.

I'm really bothered by how the concept of triggering is talked about and abused.

Triggering is a real thing. For example, situations that remind a rape victim of being raped, a soldier of war, intense situations like this can cause the human mind to break down based on their past experiences.

The problem is that in some cases people abuse the concept using false claims, people joke about triggering and safe spaces with jokes and memes in a way that makes a mockery of actual clinically-sound cases, and some people don't understand actual triggering and behave like douchebags.

Of course, none of us really know what claims are real and false, and inevitably have to resort to making judgments of other people like I'm sure many have done with articles like the one posted here. To be honest, from my vantage point this sounds like abuse of the concept of triggering and safe spaces, but I haven't experienced anything relating to what could be a legitimate trigger involving weight control, and the human mind is a complex thing so that it is entirely possible that a scale can trigger people, I guess.

It is also possible to avoid places with scales instead of asking for accommodations, just like many people with various forms of neurodiversity have to live with the fact that we live in a world made up of mostly neurotypical minds.

We need to learn to have these conversations in a constructive way, because largely, unless my perceptions are flawed, what comes across most frequently (i.e. leaving aside this particular story) is general douche-baggery and insensitivity.
     
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Mar 17, 2017, 12:54 PM
 
"Triggering" is real, young kids talking about it, claiming it's happening to them, isn't. You don't get PTSD from a set of scales.
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"Triggering" is real, young kids talking about it, claiming it's happening to them, isn't. You don't get PTSD from a set of scales.
I suppose you could if you nearly die or somebody close to you dies because of weight control issues, for example, but I basically agree with you that people seem to call things triggering that is not actual PTSD, thereby trivializing actual PTSD/triggering.
     
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Yes, I'm sure there are fringe cases, such as seeing an anorexic parent slowly wither away, and all these fake triggering/PTSD victims make life much worse for them. It's a terrible result.
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Yes, I'm sure there are fringe cases, such as seeing an anorexic parent slowly wither away, and all these fake triggering/PTSD victims make life much worse for them. It's a terrible result.

We seem to agree on something?

So, how can we have these discussions as a society while being respectful and acknowledging actual PTSD/triggering? Do you agree that triggering and safe spaces seem to have become a meme and a good way to tease and mock?
     
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Mocking the fake triggering allegations and safe space demands is just a way of trying to deal with unacceptable requests (by a minority of people attempting to game the system) in the face of limited resources and the social pressures they cause. Segregation and limitations on free expression aren't the answer, at least not in a society which has found such "tools" to be too limiting on individual freedoms. If you want a "safe space" there are better ways to do it than demanding a change from the vast majority. That's just a power play that will leave the ones who are the most vulnerable open to ridicule.
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When there are people abusing it its no different to the issues with welfare. Whats odd is the blindly naive resistance to common sense that occurs and how widespread it is.
Our disability benefits would have some of you foaming at the mouth, or would have in the 90s. Basically if you were prepared to put on a limp and tell a few porkies back then you'd be given a car. A brand new car every three years. They don't do that any more.
Anyway there are people of the mind that being disabled is so bad that anyone who claims to be disabled should never be questioned at all. The government recently tried to re-evaluate a load of people, many of who could very easily do certain kinds of work if they wished to do so. The government determined this was the case and that they should therefore start wishing to do so but a group of law students started a club to fight these re-evaluations in court and last I checked they were winning 90% of the time. Now if the government are being dicks then thats good, but if they are helping con merchants then its very very bad.
I don't get why people find it so unthinkable. If a system is easy to con, people will con it. Its in the taxpayers best interests to put measures into place to make sure they aren't handing out money to lazy scumbags who just don't like working for a living.
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When there are people abusing it its no different to the issues with welfare. Whats odd is the blindly naive resistance to common sense that occurs and how widespread it is.
Our disability benefits would have some of you foaming at the mouth, or would have in the 90s. Basically if you were prepared to put on a limp and tell a few porkies back then you'd be given a car. A brand new car every three years. They don't do that any more.
Anyway there are people of the mind that being disabled is so bad that anyone who claims to be disabled should never be questioned at all. The government recently tried to re-evaluate a load of people, many of who could very easily do certain kinds of work if they wished to do so. The government determined this was the case and that they should therefore start wishing to do so but a group of law students started a club to fight these re-evaluations in court and last I checked they were winning 90% of the time. Now if the government are being dicks then thats good, but if they are helping con merchants then its very very bad.
I don't get why people find it so unthinkable. If a system is easy to con, people will con it. Its in the taxpayers best interests to put measures into place to make sure they aren't handing out money to lazy scumbags who just don't like working for a living.

Fair enough, but just to be clear I was talking about this from a cultural standpoint. For example: https://www.google.com/search?site=i...k7oO_4#imgrc=_
     
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The gain might be less, its attention or special treatment of some kind but its that same trick: "I found a loophole. If I say this you have to be nice and do what I want."
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One of the great minds of our time on the subject.

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I kind of feel bad for Tomi Lahren. Yes, she's pro-choice (pissing off many conservative fangirls/boys), but I see how she came to her position because we both found the same logical conclusion. This is an imperfect world, oftentimes without perfect answers. I believe 1st trimester abortions are abhorrent, but a necessity in a society that truly believes in individual freedoms. It's the same with speech. Some may offend you, perhaps even a great deal, but restrictions on it will only lead to totalitarianism.
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