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f1000
May 23, 2005, 08:29 PM
I've cobbled together some instructions on tethering a PowerPC Macintosh running OS X 10.3 to a Cingular / AT&T Wireless Motorola V551 EDGE phone via Bluetooth®.



Add MEdia Net Unlimited to your account for $19.99/month (price as of 6/1/05).
 
Download the appropriate 3G modem scripts from Ross Barkman's Home Page (http://www.taniwha.org.uk/) and install them into your /Library/Modem Scripts folder. Do not download the GPRS scripts as you will not achieve EDGE speeds with them.
 
On the phone go to: Menu->Settings->Connection->Bluetooth->Setup->Bluetooth: On and Menu->Settings->Connection->Bluetooth->Setup->Find Me. This will allow your Mac to find your phone via Bluetooth.
 
Go up to the Bluetooth menu and pair the phone with your Mac. Pair the phone to use as a modem for GPRS data. On the next screen in the setup assistant enter the following data in:

Service Provider: Cingular (optional)
Account Name: WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM
Password: CINGULAR1
Telephone Number: wap.cingular

Open up Network in System Preferences.
Click the TCP/IP tab
DNS Servers:
Leave empty!
Select Using PPP in the "Configure IPv4" drop down menu.
Select Off in the "Configure IPv6" drop down menu.
Click the PPP tab
Click PPP Options...
Ensure that the following boxes are unchecked:
Send PPP echo packets.
Use TCP header compression.
Connect using a terminal window (command line).
Click the Bluetooth Modem tab:
Select the appropriate modem script in the "Modem" drop-down menu.
Uncheck Enable error correction and compression in modem.
Uncheck Wait for dial tone before dialing.

Add the following startup script using RMAC (http://homepage.mac.com/tmpchaos/.Public/Tweaker.tgz). Read through the thread for more details.
#!/bin/sh
#RMAC Startup Script

SYSCTL="/usr/sbin/sysctl -nw"
IFCONFIG="/sbin/ifconfig"

. /etc/rc.common

ConsoleMessage "Set Network Param"

$SYSCTL "net.inet.tcp.sendspace=262144"
$SYSCTL "net.inet.tcp.recvspace=262144"
$SYSCTL "net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize=108040"
$SYSCTL "kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=2097152"
$SYSCTL "net.inet.tcp.newreno=1"

sleep 3



Sources:

http://www.rtgrimesconsulting.com/page2/page4/page4.html
HowardForums: Your Mobile Phone Community & Resource (http://www.howardforums.com)
Wireless Forums from AT&T - Wireless Forums from AT&T (http://forums.cingular.com/cng/board?board.id=EDGE)



Addendum (7/14/06): Cingular is now selling an HSDPA phone, the LG CU500 (http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=301693), with a max theoretical download speed of 1.8 Mbps. The phone also has EDGE for use in rural areas without UMTS/HSDPA. EDGE is faster on this phone than on EDGE-only phones; however, the phone only uses Bluetooth 1.2, which means that tethering with a USB cable will be necessary to eke out maximum performance.

MEdia Net Unlimited has been replaced by MEdia Net Max 200 and 1000 (7/27/06).

* Since I first started this thread, several major developments have occurred:
Tiger is now widespread
Intel chips have replaced PowerPC ones
HSDPA phones have been introduced
Cingular is now AT&T Wireless
iPhone was introduced
Leopard is now widespread

PowerBook, iBook, PowerMac, iMac, eMac, gsm, umts

f1000
May 23, 2005, 08:31 PM
I'll update the above post to keep it current. Suggestions are welcome! :)

Krusty
May 24, 2005, 10:28 AM
Thanks, what experience have you had with the service ? My Cingular plan is ending in a couple of months and I'm thinking about upgrading to a snazzy new BT phone that I can use for these purposes.

What sort of speeds do you realistically get?
How reliable is the service?
Are there particular models of phone that seem to work better with the mac modem scripts ??

f1000
May 24, 2005, 05:28 PM
I'll post some stats here next week. I'm hoping to get data from a variety of locales.

Krusty
May 24, 2005, 05:49 PM
Great. You could always do a straight speed test from http://www.broadbandreports.com/stest . It'd be a good measure for comparison with landline high-speed. I was out of town on business 2 weeks ago and they issued us laptops with Verizon's service and it clocked about 27k down and 117k up (don't know why it was so much slower down, but it was consistently that way). I'd love to know how Cingular's service compares.

f1000
Jun 2, 2005, 07:07 AM
Speed Tests

Phone: Motorola V551 (Class 4 EDGE)
Computer: 12" PowerBook G4 (1 GHz Rev B)
OS X Version: 10.3.9
Tethering Method: Bluetooth® 1.2
Signal Strength: Maximum
Modem Script: Motorola 3G CID1

Newark, DE (6/18/05):

Upload: (http://blt.speakeasy.net/) 38 kbps
Download: (http://blt.speakeasy.net/) 139 kbps

Alexandria, VA (6/16/05):

Upload: (http://blt.speakeasy.net/) 38 kbps
Download: (http://blt.speakeasy.net/) 115 kbps


Download: (http://cachefly.cachefly.net/1mb.test) 145.6 kbps


Washington, DC, U.S. Capitol Building (6/15/05):

Upload: (http://nyc.speakeasy.net/) 38 kbps
Download: (http://nyc.speakeasy.net/) 96 kbps


Baltimore, MD, Inner Harbor (6/20/05):

Upload: (http://blt.speakeasy.net/) 36 kbps
Download: (http://blt.speakeasy.net/) 57 kbps



Phone: LG CU500 (Class 10 EDGE/UMTS/HSDPA)
Computer: 12" PowerBook G4 (1 GHz Rev B)
OS X Version: 10.3.9
Tethering Method: Bluetooth® 1.2
Signal Strength: Maximum
Modem Script: Generic 3G CID1

Austin, TX (8/18/07):

Upload: (http://blt.speakeasy.net/) 340 kbps
Download: (http://blt.speakeasy.net/) 592 kbps


Phone: LG CU500 (Class 10 EDGE/UMTS/HSDPA)
Computer: 12" PowerBook G4 (1 GHz Rev B)
OS X Version: 10.3.9
Tethering Method: Bluetooth® 1.2
Signal Strength: Maximum
Modem Script: Generic HSDPA CID1

Dulles International Airport (9/10/07):

Upload: (http://blt.speakeasy.net/) 231 kbps
Download: (http://blt.speakeasy.net/) 609 kbps

Raleigh-Durham International Airport (9/7/07):

Upload: (http://blt.speakeasy.net/) 235 kbps
Download: (http://blt.speakeasy.net/) 603 kbps


Alexandria, VA (10/3/07):

Upload: (http://blt.speakeasy.net/) 271 kbps
Download: (http://blt.speakeasy.net/) 554 kbps

San Diego, CA ():

Upload: (http://blt.speakeasy.net/) 263 kbps
Download: (http://blt.speakeasy.net/) 548 kbps

Krusty
Jun 2, 2005, 03:10 PM
Hey, thanks for the update. I was about 2 days away from bumping this thread. :)

I have a couple of questions that you may know the answer to.. Are we to assume that the MEdia Net Unlimited package is data-only and includes only pay-per-use instant messaging and multimedia messaging ? If so, what do you do if you want both data access for your computer and a MEdia Net bundle for your phone ... can both packages be bought simultaneously or are they mutually exclusive ? What happens if you bought, say MEdia Net "Works" plus Media Net Unlimited Acesss ... you're already theoretically paying for 5mb of access in the "Works" package ?

Also, Cingular seems to have some other data packages (Data Connect, Laptop connect) that have MUCH higher charges for unlimited use. Is this MEdia Net package using the same data network as those packages (I would assume yes, which is why this is such a good deal but it almost makes no sense for anyone to pay $79/month for unlimited laptop connect if they knew they could use the same network for 1/4 that cost simply by having and EDGE capable phone + bluetooth).

f1000
Jun 3, 2005, 01:09 PM
What happens if you bought, say MEdia Net "Works" plus Media Net Unlimited Acesss ... you're already theoretically paying for 5mb of access in the "Works" package?
I've been told by several customer service reps that MEdia Net and MEdia Net packages (i.e. Basic, Works) are mutually exclusive.


Cingular seems to have some other data packages (Data Connect, Laptop connect) that have MUCH higher charges for unlimited use. Is this MEdia Net package using the same data network as those packages (I would assume yes, which is why this is such a good deal but it almost makes no sense for anyone to pay $79/month for unlimited laptop connect if they knew they could use the same network for 1/4 that cost simply by having and EDGE capable phone + bluetooth).
It's my understanding that if you want to tether to a non-PDA phone, you must use the wap.cingular APN. Data Connect offers VPN and some other services, but isn't supposed to be significantly faster in terms of speed.

f1000
Jun 5, 2005, 08:52 AM
It took me several days to figure this out, but there's a system setting called net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize that controls download speeds for "slow link" connections (i.e., PPP). The default value for this variable is 8192 bytes, but this needs to be significantly increased in order to maximize EDGE download performance.
First, use RMAC (http://homepage.mac.com/tmpchaos/.Public/Tweaker.tgz) or some other method to create a startup script in your /Library/StartupItems folder.

Next, use TextEdit to modify the startup script to make it look like the example script that I listed under item 6 in my first post. Save and restart.

Figuring out the ideal value for net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize involves doing some tweak testing (http://www.dslreports.com/tweaks). Initiate an EDGE phone connection and run the tweak test, and then follow the instructions at Broadband Reports.com (http://www.broadbandreports.com/faq/tweaks/5.+RWIN#6181) to calculate the optimum RWIN value.

Edit the startup script again to set net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize to your new optimum RWIN value. In my sample script, I highlighted my own optimum RWIN value in red. You may find that another value works better for you. Save and restart.
From my experimentation, I deduced that,
net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize = RWIN for PPP connections
net.inet.tcp.recvspace = RWIN for broadband connections
Adding this startup script increased my EDGE download speeds almost three-fold.

f1000
Jun 5, 2005, 09:15 AM
What sort of speeds do you realistically get?
As you can see, I'm getting close to maximum theoretical EDGE speeds for a Class 4 device. 119 kbps is FAST! While wading through Howardsforum (www.howardforums.com/), I noticed that a lot of Mac users were complaining about slow EDGE download speeds. It's clear to me that none of them realized they had to adjust their system settings. Who can blame them? It took me hours of Googling and experimentation to figure out the solution to the problem. It'd be nice if somebody would post a man page for the each sysctl writable variable.

I tested out a theory of mine by successfully streaming a 96 kbps iTunes broadcast using my EDGE phone. Satellite radio and the iPod are both screwed. :p

I must admit that I hadn't realized the Motorola V551 wasn't a Class 10 device when I purchased it. I had simply assumed that it was. :(


How reliable is the service?
Rock solid. :thumbsup:


Are there particular models of phone that seem to work better with the mac modem scripts ??
This is the only phone that I've tested. Maybe others can chime in.

EDIT: Maybe I'm not getting close to theoretical EDGE speeds. A Class 4 EDGE device is (3+1). This means that it has 3 download time slots each running at 59.2 kbps. 3 x 59.2 kbps = 177.6 kbps. :hmm:

f1000
Jun 5, 2005, 09:27 AM
I was out of town on business 2 weeks ago and they issued us laptops with Verizon's service and it clocked about 27k down and 117k up (don't know why it was so much slower down, but it was consistently that way).
I've noticed that some of the speed tests return absurd upload rates. I read somewhere that this is because the tests measure time incorrectly for Macs.

Try testing your Verizon service again using http://nyc.speakeasy.net/.

Krusty
Jun 5, 2005, 11:44 PM
Cool, that's lots of good info. I think I would be disappointed without the RWIN tweaks you mentioned. How does one tell if a device is class 4, Class 10 etc ? I never see those specs listed on the phones I've looked at.

Also, I have an older SE R520m that has been gathering dust for a while. I actually got it to work a couple of days ago (EXTREMELY SLOW .. like 5k/20k .. but I think it only really handles GPRS even though I forced it to use GSM only). I also only get 2-3 bars in my house, so that may have had something to do with it. But, at least I have "the process" down (thanks to this thread) and feel confident I can get it to work when I get a newer phone.

f1000
Jun 6, 2005, 07:21 AM
Cool, that's lots of good info. I think I would be disappointed without the RWIN tweaks you mentioned. How does one tell if a device is class 4, Class 10 etc ? I never see those specs listed on the phones I've looked at.
The tweaks might even help you with your current Verizon phone, especially if you upgrade to a snazzier EVDO model. My startup script isn't Cingular or even GSM specific.

Phone Arena (http://phonearena.com/htmls/phone_filter.php) offers a pretty comprehensive filtering engine that can help you to quickly zero in on cell phones with the features that you want. Please note that Class 10 GPRS does not equal Class 10 EDGE. My Motorola V551, for example, is a Class 10 GPRS / Class 4 EDGE.


Also, I have an older SE R520m that has been gathering dust for a while. I actually got it to work a couple of days ago (EXTREMELY SLOW .. like 5k/20k .. but I think it only really handles GPRS even though I forced it to use GSM only). I also only get 2-3 bars in my house, so that may have had something to do with it.
I wish I had saved the benchmarks I had made for my t68i GPRS phone. I vaguely recall that data rates in Columbia, MD and Rahway, NJ were on the order of 30 kbps.

My understanding is that EDGE drops off quickly in speed the further away you are from a tower. I'm getting five bars of signal strength in the location that I'm currently in, but that doesn't mean that EDGE download speeds might not see improvement were I to move closer to a tower. I'll run some more tests in other cities in the upcoming weeks.


But, at least I have "the process" down (thanks to this thread) and feel confident I can get it to work when I get a newer phone.
CNET.com is my bandwidth meter of choice, but I'm glad that you persuaded me to run some tests from DSL Reports. The NSF server, while quirky, provided me with the first clues that low send and receive buffers were limiting my data rates. I'm still surprised that there isn't a single website that mentions the importance of net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize in controlling PPP data transfer rates.

I've said it many times before, but now I'm going to say it again. Apple, get rid of the built-in analog modem. I am never going to use a 56K landline modem again when I can get 236.8 kbps wirelessly using a Class 10 EDGE modem. I could sure use an SD Card or a PC Card slot in its place, though.

joren
Jun 15, 2005, 07:22 PM
Wow, there is great information here. I've been trying to use my phone as a modem for some time and this is the first time it's actually worked! Benching off cnet (download.com), I'm getting 56kbs right now. And my problem is I couldn't get RMAC to work. I couldn't find the file it created half and other times it would give me a "pearl_file_error". I'm working in Mac OS 10.4.1 (Tiger). So, can someone please walk me through how to use RMAC and how to find the script it creates a little more specifically?
Where is the file written?
Is it an invisible file?
How can I avoid the errors in RMAC?
Is there another way to do this if RMAC isn't working properly for me?

My apologies for my inexperience, but I'm probably not the only person with these problems.
Thanks
Joren

___________
Edit: Okay, I got RMAC to write the script. I'm not sure how. I was fiddling with the permissions for /library and /library/StartupItems . But I'm not sure what I did exactly. I did a speed test from broadbandreports.com and got 88k down and 38k up without the startup script and 91k down and 40k up with the script configured exactly how it is in step 6 of the original post. I guess I have some major tweaking to do as I was expecting a larger jump than that. Well, I'm off to try to understand how this "tweaking" stuff works.
Thanks again for the great info. Any further guidance is appreciated.

Riot Nrrrd
Jun 16, 2005, 12:57 PM
f1000:

I'm curious how you got this to work. I'm a former AT&T customer still on AT&T (NBO - I have a FAN and a business account) with an unlocked Cingular branded Sony Ericsson S710a.

I'm able to get it tethered with the Taniwha scripts (I'm using "Sony Ericsson 3G CID1"), but only in (seemingly) GPRS mode - i.e. if I set things up and just use "proxy" for the "Telephone Number" and leave everything else in the Bluetooth setup blank (more or less), it'll connect and set up PPP and it "works" - but my throughput on downloads is horrible, like around 2-4 Kbytes/sec. Clearly I'm not getting EDGE speeds.

I then tried stuff like using "wap.cingular" for the phone number and the various Cingular-specific settings (Account name "WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM", Password "CINGULAR1", etc.), but once I do that, it stops working - after the PPP CHAP negotation (which succeeds - with "Congratulations!"), the other end says to drop the connection, which it does. No variant on these Account Name/Password/Telephone Number entries seems to work unless I use the non-EDGE "proxy" setting :(

When it does work (via "proxy"), the log looks like this:
[...]
Wed Jun 15 14:42:28 2005 : Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/cu.SonyEricssonS710a
Wed Jun 15 14:42:29 2005 : sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x7e3e208c> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Wed Jun 15 14:42:29 2005 : rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x3 <auth pap> <accomp> <pcomp> <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xd997348c>]
Wed Jun 15 14:42:29 2005 : lcp_reqci: returning CONFREJ.
Wed Jun 15 14:42:29 2005 : sent [LCP ConfRej id=0x3 <auth pap>]
Wed Jun 15 14:42:29 2005 : rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x7e3e208c> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Wed Jun 15 14:42:29 2005 : rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x4 <accomp> <pcomp> <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xd997348c>]
Wed Jun 15 14:42:29 2005 : lcp_reqci: returning CONFACK.
Wed Jun 15 14:42:29 2005 : sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x4 <accomp> <pcomp> <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xd997348c>]
Wed Jun 15 14:42:29 2005 : sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1 <addr 0.0.0.0>]
Wed Jun 15 14:42:29 2005 : rcvd [IPCP TermAck id=0x1]
Wed Jun 15 14:42:31 2005 : rcvd [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1]
Wed Jun 15 14:42:31 2005 : ipcp: returning Configure-NAK
Wed Jun 15 14:42:31 2005 : sent [IPCP ConfNak id=0x1 <addr 0.0.0.0>]
Wed Jun 15 14:42:31 2005 : rcvd [IPCP ConfReq id=0x2]
Wed Jun 15 14:42:31 2005 : ipcp: returning Configure-ACK
Wed Jun 15 14:42:31 2005 : sent [IPCP ConfAck id=0x2]
Wed Jun 15 14:42:32 2005 : sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1 <addr 0.0.0.0>]
Wed Jun 15 14:42:32 2005 : rcvd [IPCP ConfNak id=0x1 <addr 10.88.212.242>]
Wed Jun 15 14:42:32 2005 : sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x2 <addr 10.88.212.242>]
Wed Jun 15 14:42:32 2005 : rcvd [IPCP ConfAck id=0x2 <addr 10.88.212.242>]
Wed Jun 15 14:42:32 2005 : ipcp: up
[...]
When I try to use the Cingular logins (as mentioned in your original post), it tries to do PAP and "succeeds", but then the other side immediately tells it to drop the connection:
[...]
[...]
Wed Jun 15 14:48:03 2005 : Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/cu.SonyEricssonS710a
Wed Jun 15 14:48:04 2005 : sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x4fbff23b> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Wed Jun 15 14:48:04 2005 : rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x3 <auth pap> <accomp> <pcomp> <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xde44335b>]
Wed Jun 15 14:48:04 2005 : lcp_reqci: returning CONFACK.
Wed Jun 15 14:48:04 2005 : sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x3 <auth pap> <accomp> <pcomp> <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xde44335b>]
Wed Jun 15 14:48:04 2005 : rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x4fbff23b> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Wed Jun 15 14:48:05 2005 : sent [PAP AuthReq id=0x1 user="ISPDA@CINGULARGPRS.COM" password=<hidden>]
Wed Jun 15 14:48:05 2005 : rcvd [PAP AuthAck id=0x1 "Congratulations!"]
Wed Jun 15 14:48:05 2005 : Remote message: Congratulations!
Wed Jun 15 14:48:05 2005 : sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1 <addr 0.0.0.0>]
Wed Jun 15 14:48:06 2005 : rcvd [LCP TermReq id=0x1]
Wed Jun 15 14:48:06 2005 : LCP terminated by peer
Wed Jun 15 14:48:06 2005 : Hangup (SIGHUP)
[...]
No idea why the "WAP.CINGULAR" settings work for your V551 but not for my S710a ... :(

One thing I'd also like to note - I couldn't get anything to work until I ran Bluetooth Serial Utility and created an Outgoing serial port and connected it to the "Dial-up Networking" Service inside the phone ... dunno if that's why I can only connect via GPRS or not, but that's the only way I could get anything to work. Did you (f1000) also have to create this same Bluetooth serial port?

f1000
Jun 16, 2005, 03:43 PM
Wow, there is great information here. I've been trying to use my phone as a modem for some time and this is the first time it's actually worked!
Hi joren, welcome to MacNN! I'm glad that you found my instructions useful. I regret, though, that I did not properly source all the websites from which I gleaned information. I've been refining my instructions based on real-world testing, and I think that I've pretty much maximized whatever performance I'm going to get out of my particular setup.


Okay, I got RMAC to write the script. I'm not sure how. I was fiddling with the permissions for /library and /library/StartupItems . But I'm not sure what I did exactly. I did a speed test from broadbandreports.com and got 88k down and 38k up without the startup script and 91k down and 40k up with the script configured exactly how it is in step 6 of the original post. I guess I have some major tweaking to do as I was expecting a larger jump than that. Well, I'm off to try to understand how this "tweaking" stuff works.
Thanks again for the great info. Any further guidance is appreciated.
I'm still using Mac OS 10.3, so I don’t know if my instructions apply verbatim to Mac OS 10.4. RMAC may in fact be incompatible with 10.4.

You don't need to use RMAC to create the startup script. There are alternative applications that you can use to create a basic script. Moreover, if you're good at Unixese you can create the script by hand.

The value that I assign to net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize in my sample script was based on tweak tests of my own setup. You'll probably have to adjust this value for your particular setup. It's possible that Apple has already adjusted this value in 10.4, in which case further tweaking by you may not improve your performance.

Can you run an experiment for me?

1. Temporarily remove the startup script from the StartupItems folder
2. Reboot
3. Start a Terminal session
4. Type in sysctl –a and press return
5. Post the value that is returned for net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize
6. Return the startup script to your StartupItems folder and reboot.

Also, and this is very important, can you post your location, upload/download speeds, and the particular speed test that you used? List speeds in kbps (kilobits per second), and run each test with maximal signal strength. Try to run speed tests from several servers that are close to you, and run each one twice to ensure best results.

f1000
Jun 16, 2005, 04:05 PM
I'm curious how you got this to work. I'm a former AT&T customer still on AT&T (NBO - I have a FAN and a business account) with an unlocked Cingular branded Sony Ericsson S710a.
I migrated over to Cingular from AT&T. You may have to migrate as well before you can use your Cingular-branded S710a with EDGE, but I'm just speculating.


I'm able to get it tethered with the Taniwha scripts (I'm using "Sony Ericsson 3G CID1"), but only in (seemingly) GPRS mode - i.e. if I set things up and just use "proxy" for the "Telephone Number" and leave everything else in the Bluetooth setup blank (more or less), it'll connect and set up PPP and it "works" - but my throughput on downloads is horrible, like around 2-4 Kbytes/sec. Clearly I'm not getting EDGE speeds.
Do you see an EDGE indicator on your phone? On my phone, it's a little 'E' between the signal meter and the Bluetooth indicator. Also, have you signed up for a Media Net package?


One thing I'd also like to note - I couldn't get anything to work until I ran Bluetooth Serial Utility and created an Outgoing serial port and connected it to the "Dial-up Networking" Service inside the phone ... dunno if that's why I can only connect via GPRS or not, but that's the only way I could get anything to work. Did you (f1000) also have to create this same Bluetooth serial port?
This sounds to be your problem. Delete the serial port and run Set up Bluetooth Device... instead.

f1000
Jun 16, 2005, 04:12 PM
I should like to note that Cingular experienced some major network problems throughout the country last week (6/8-6/15), from New York to California. Media Net worked slowly on the phone, but not when tethered to my PowerBook. Cingular seems to have fixed the problem as of yesterday.

joren
Jun 16, 2005, 06:53 PM
With the RCMAC script removed, Tiger's net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize: 8192 . But here's the confusing part for me: with the script running with the identical settings as are in #6 of your first post, when I run the tweak tester test, it says my tweakable settings (in the top left green box) Receive Window (RWIN) is 263536 . Now that is not very close to the slowlink_wsize setting, but it is very close to your recvspace setting. Could it be that the RWIN is not slowlink_wsize? I really don't know what I'm talking about, but it seemed a bit odd.

I am definitely not a "terminal" kind of guy (I'm willing to learn), but to modify and move around the RMAC script in the GUI, you have to give yourself permissions for both /library/statupitems/ and /library/statupitems/RMAC . Then, you have to restart once, where the OS will freak out that the permission were changed, tell the OS to fix the permissions, and restart again. It's a little bit of a pain.

In my excitement, I realize I didn't relay all the important information in my last post. apologies. I promise to be more scientific from now on.
I have a Powerbook G4 with OS 10.4.1
moto v551 connected over bluetooth with full bars of service and cingular service
All the TCP/IP and PPP settings are per your first post.
The speed tests were done in Los Angeles, to the Los Angeles broadbandreports.com speed test server. and they were reported in kilobits per second.

So, how should I go about tweaking? I used the RWIN calculator (and did my own calculations based on the broadband reports FAQ) and found my optimal RWIN to be 37960. But I'm not really sure what I should be putting as my optimal speed setting. Why is your RWIN much larger?

Also, what kind of speeds should I expect to be getting? Am I doing okay at around 80kbbs down and 30 kbbs up? I was hoping (or dreaming) for double that.

Well, this has been super informative and I sure have learned a lot in the last two days. One lesson I learned the hard way was to sign up for MediaNet Unlimited right away. After just doing my tests yesterday, I already charged 40 bucks in transfer. Ouch.

joren
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Edit:
So, after I put the script back in /library/StartupItems/ and rebooted, I entered "sysctl -a" in Terminal and I got the exact same reading for net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize: 8192 . So now I'm at a loss. The script must not be working. Could you suggest another way (or point me to the correct instruction) on how to change these values. I really know nothing about terminal and Unix, but I follow instructions really well.

Riot Nrrrd
Jun 16, 2005, 11:10 PM
I migrated over to Cingular from AT&T. You may have to migrate as well before you can use your Cingular-branded S710a with EDGE, but I'm just speculating.I haven't migrated ... I've still got an AT&T/Cingular Blue business account through NBO.

Do you see an EDGE indicator on your phone? On my phone, it's a little 'E' between the signal meter and the Bluetooth indicator. Also, have you signed up for a Media Net package?No EDGE indicator on my S710a that I can find ... not sure it indicates it as such.

And no, I didn't sign up for MediaNet - I'm still on an AT&T plan with 4 Mb/month of mMode. (I used to be able to bring up mMode from the Cingular "splat" key on the phone, but I broke that in my testing of the tethering ... arrrgh.)

This sounds to be your problem. Delete the serial port and run Set up Bluetooth Device... instead.OK, I'll try that again ... but I had the phone in my Bluetooth devices before (I'm able to send and receive files from it just fine), and yet ... nothing worked (modem-wise, that is). I'll give it a go-round one more time ...

Riot Nrrrd
Jun 17, 2005, 12:09 PM
OK, I'll try that again ... but I had the phone in my Bluetooth devices before (I'm able to send and receive files from it just fine), and yet ... nothing worked (modem-wise, that is). I'll give it a go-round one more time ...Nope, still doesn't work ... I added the S710a via Set up Bluetooth device but it still doesn't work:

Fri Jun 17 08:58:15 2005 : Sony Ericsson 3G CID1
Fri Jun 17 08:58:15 2005 : CCLWrite : AT\13
Fri Jun 17 08:58:15 2005 : CCLMatched : OK\13\10
Fri Jun 17 08:58:15 2005 : CCLWrite : AT+CGMI\13
Fri Jun 17 08:58:15 2005 : CCLMatched : Ericsson
Fri Jun 17 08:58:15 2005 : CCLWrite : AT&FE0S0=0\13
Fri Jun 17 08:58:15 2005 : CCLMatched : OK\13\10
Fri Jun 17 08:58:15 2005 : CCLWrite : AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","WAP.CINGULAR"\13
Fri Jun 17 08:58:15 2005 : CCLMatched : OK\13\10
Fri Jun 17 08:58:15 2005 : Making network connection
Fri Jun 17 08:58:15 2005 : CCLWrite : ATD*99***1#\13
Fri Jun 17 08:58:16 2005 : CCLMatched : CONNECT
Fri Jun 17 08:58:21 2005 : Serial connection established.
Fri Jun 17 08:58:21 2005 : using link 0
Fri Jun 17 08:58:21 2005 : Using interface ppp0
Fri Jun 17 08:58:21 2005 : Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/cu.Bluetooth-Modem
Fri Jun 17 08:58:22 2005 : sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x4e3f4b8e> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Fri Jun 17 08:58:22 2005 : rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x3 <auth chap MD5> <accomp> <pcomp> <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x9511e808>]
Fri Jun 17 08:58:22 2005 : lcp_reqci: returning CONFACK.
Fri Jun 17 08:58:22 2005 : sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x3 <auth chap MD5> <accomp> <pcomp> <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x9511e808>]
Fri Jun 17 08:58:22 2005 : rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x4e3f4b8e> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Fri Jun 17 08:58:22 2005 : rcvd [CHAP Challenge id=0x0 <95f473595d1c4afe9abbe1e1f80a8f0470033df942abc00eb2 22f938826baebb32fc279ffa0588d38381f21e69fd58c9722b 210e8b26823f86839ab6>, name = "Kermit"]
Fri Jun 17 08:58:22 2005 : sent [CHAP Response id=0x0 <2aca288ddb48c29a6a28fb93e17229c5>, name = "WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM"]
Fri Jun 17 08:58:22 2005 : rcvd [CHAP Success id=0x0 "Congratulations!"]
Fri Jun 17 08:58:22 2005 : Remote message: Congratulations!
Fri Jun 17 08:58:22 2005 : sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1 <addr 0.0.0.0> <ms-dns1 0.0.0.0> <ms-dns3 0.0.0.0>]
Fri Jun 17 08:58:24 2005 : rcvd [LCP TermReq id=0x1]
Fri Jun 17 08:58:24 2005 : LCP terminated by peer
Fri Jun 17 08:58:24 2005 : Hangup (SIGHUP)
Fri Jun 17 08:58:24 2005 : Modem hangup
Fri Jun 17 08:58:24 2005 : Connection terminated.

Tried my "proxy" (only; no Username/Password) entry that works when it's used as a modem; that didn't work either:

Fri Jun 17 09:01:21 2005 : Sony Ericsson 3G CID1
Fri Jun 17 09:01:21 2005 : CCLWrite : AT\13
Fri Jun 17 09:01:21 2005 : CCLMatched : OK\13\10
Fri Jun 17 09:01:21 2005 : CCLWrite : AT+CGMI\13
Fri Jun 17 09:01:21 2005 : CCLMatched : Ericsson
Fri Jun 17 09:01:21 2005 : CCLWrite : AT&FE0S0=0\13
Fri Jun 17 09:01:21 2005 : CCLMatched : OK\13\10
Fri Jun 17 09:01:21 2005 : CCLWrite : AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","proxy"\13
Fri Jun 17 09:01:21 2005 : CCLMatched : OK\13\10
Fri Jun 17 09:01:21 2005 : Making network connection
Fri Jun 17 09:01:21 2005 : CCLWrite : ATD*99***1#\13
Fri Jun 17 09:01:22 2005 : CCLMatched : CONNECT
Fri Jun 17 09:01:27 2005 : Serial connection established.
Fri Jun 17 09:01:27 2005 : using link 0
Fri Jun 17 09:01:27 2005 : Using interface ppp0
Fri Jun 17 09:01:27 2005 : Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/cu.Bluetooth-Modem
Fri Jun 17 09:01:28 2005 : sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xf4fda69> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Fri Jun 17 09:01:28 2005 : rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x3 <auth chap MD5> <accomp> <pcomp> <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xeac5fe54>]
Fri Jun 17 09:01:28 2005 : lcp_reqci: returning CONFREJ.
Fri Jun 17 09:01:28 2005 : sent [LCP ConfRej id=0x3 <auth chap MD5>]
Fri Jun 17 09:01:28 2005 : rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xf4fda69> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Fri Jun 17 09:01:31 2005 : sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xf4fda69> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Fri Jun 17 09:01:31 2005 : rcvd [LCP ConfAck id=0x1 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0xf4fda69> <pcomp> <accomp>]
Fri Jun 17 09:01:31 2005 : Hangup (SIGHUP)
Fri Jun 17 09:01:31 2005 : Modem hangup
Fri Jun 17 09:01:31 2005 : Connection terminated.

I'm beginning to wonder if my lack of MEdiaNet is causing the remote end to reject me ... ?

(If I click on the "MEdia Net" button in the phone, it says Loading for about a minute, then returns "Communication error" eventually.)

f1000
Jun 17, 2005, 02:16 PM
With the RCMAC script removed, Tiger's net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize: 8192 . But here's the confusing part for me: with the script running with the identical settings as are in #6 of your first post, when I run the tweak tester test, it says my tweakable settings (in the top left green box) Receive Window (RWIN) is 263536 . Now that is not very close to the slowlink_wsize setting, but it is very close to your recvspace setting. Could it be that the RWIN is not slowlink_wsize? I really don't know what I'm talking about, but it seemed a bit odd.
Make sure that you run the tweak test with all other network connections disabled. The easiest way to accomplish this is to unplug Ethernet and turn off Wi-Fi. At the very least, make sure that you demote any other active network connections with respect to Bluetooth.


I am definitely not a "terminal" kind of guy (I'm willing to learn), but to modify and move around the RMAC script in the GUI, you have to give yourself permissions for both /library/statupitems/ and /library/statupitems/RMAC . Then, you have to restart once, where the OS will freak out that the permission were changed, tell the OS to fix the permissions, and restart again. It's a little bit of a pain.
I haven’t noticed this problem on my computer. Maybe it’s specific to Tiger?


In my excitement, I realize I didn't relay all the important information in my last post. apologies. I promise to be more scientific from now on.
I have a Powerbook G4 with OS 10.4.1
moto v551 connected over bluetooth with full bars of service and cingular service
All the TCP/IP and PPP settings are per your first post.
The speed tests were done in Los Angeles, to the Los Angeles broadbandreports.com speed test server. and they were reported in kilobits per second.
Thanks a mucho! You can learn how I pretty-print my Speed Tests by replying to it. That’ll show you how to use vb code to format your post.

I’ll post later with ideas on how to optimize your system. By the way, keep checking my initial post, as well as my speed test post, for updates.

f1000
Jun 17, 2005, 02:40 PM
Theoretical EDGE Performance


EDGE Class 4 (3+1)
3 downstream time slots = 3 * 59.2 kbps = 177.6 kbps
1 upstream time slot = 1 * 59.2 kbps = 59.2 kbps

EDGE Class 10 (4+1 OR 3+2)
4 downstream time slots = 4 * 59.2 kbps = 236.8 kbps
1 upstream time slot = 1 * 59.2 kbps = 59.2 kbps

Actual EDGE performance depends on several factors: 1) the number of time slots available, 2) the channel coding scheme (MCS) used, 3) network congestion.

Voice has priority over data. Depending on the number of users, a tower may not allocate the maximum number of time slots available to an EDGE phone.

Channel coding schemes depend on signal quality. Distance and interference can cause a tower to fall back to a slower channel coding scheme.

Network congestion can vary during the day.

For these reasons and others, Cingular claims throughput of only 75-135 kbps, with burst speeds of up to 170 kbps. You can see that in Alexandria, I recently recorded a download rate of 145.6 kbps.


http://www.ieee.or.com/Archive/TDMA3G4G.pdf

f1000
Jun 17, 2005, 02:48 PM
I'm beginning to wonder if my lack of MEdiaNet is causing the remote end to reject me ... ?

(If I click on the "MEdia Net" button in the phone, it says Loading for about a minute, then returns "Communication error" eventually.)
My instructions are for Cingular customers who have MEdia Net added to their account. I know that if you are a Cingular customer, you won't be able to use the phone's browser until you have MEdia Net activated. You also won't see the 'E' indicator.

mrpuddles
Jun 17, 2005, 04:39 PM
f1000, how much bandwidth have you pushed through Cingular? I've heard that they send you a large bill if your bandwidth is too high. Something along the lines of 100+ megs.

f1000
Jun 17, 2005, 06:35 PM
f1000, how much bandwidth have you pushed through Cingular? I've heard that they send you a large bill if your bandwidth is too high. Something along the lines of 100+ megs.
This is what Cingular (http://www.cingular.com/media/media_legal) says about the subject:
MEdia Net packages are not intended for tethering. Cingular reserves the right to remove customers from MEdia Net packages for the use of a wireless device as an interface to other devices or networks, as determined by Cingular, including but not limited to device tethering.

I used 11 Mb in one week last month and I expect that I will use about 60 Mb/month from this point on. If there is such a cap, then I probably won't bump up against it.

Krusty
Jun 17, 2005, 06:48 PM
My instructions are for Cingular customers who have MEdia Net added to their account. I know that if you are a Cingular customer, you won't be able to use the phone's browser until you have MEdia Net activated. You also won't see the 'E' indicator.
The straight tethering works fine though .. whether or not you have a MEdia Net package. They just charge you a per kilobyte rate of 1 cent/kb. This is stated on their site somewhere and I can verify since I was able to tether and I don't yet have a package. Crazy thing is, I did a couple of speed tests and surfed a couple of pages and it cost me over $7 :eek:

Its just like their messaging, you can use it without a plan, it just costs an arm-and-a-leg in per unit charges.

f1000
Jun 17, 2005, 06:53 PM
The straight tethering works fine though .. whether or not you have a MEdia Net package. They just charge you a per kilobyte rate of 1 cent/kb. This is stated on their site somewhere and I can verify since I was able to tether and I don't yet have a package. Crazy thing is, I did a couple of speed tests and surfed a couple of pages and it cost me over $7 :eek:
That's usually true; however, I can tell you from personal experience that it's not always true. My account didn't have PPU (pay per use) on it even though all the customer service reps insisted that it did. It's only after I got in contact with the Internet service people that I had MEdia Net installed AND GPRS activated on my new phone. I think the confusion had something to do with the fact that I migrated from AT&T. Just to be on the safe side, it's smart to get MEdia Net unlimited before doing any fiddling with settings.

Its just like their messaging, you can use it without a plan, it just costs an arm-and-a-leg in per unit charges.
Tell me about it. I used to be on AT&T Mmode. :P

EDIT: To clarify things a bit further, if you don't add a MEdia Net package or bundle to your account, then you're usually put on MEdia Net PPU (pay per use). In some situations, though, MEdia Net isn't activated at all.

mrpuddles
Jun 17, 2005, 07:31 PM
f1000 thank you for the tethering info. I have the same phone and this will come in handy. Please keep us updated w/ your experience.

f1000
Jun 17, 2005, 09:52 PM
So, how should I go about tweaking? I used the RWIN calculator (and did my own calculations based on the broadband reports FAQ) and found my optimal RWIN to be 37960. But I'm not really sure what I should be putting as my optimal speed setting. Why is your RWIN much larger?

Edit:
So, after I put the script back in /library/StartupItems/ and rebooted, I entered "sysctl -a" in Terminal and I got the exact same reading for net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize: 8192 . So now I'm at a loss. The script must not be working. Could you suggest another way (or point me to the correct instruction) on how to change these values. I really know nothing about terminal and Unix, but I follow instructions really well.
1. Delete the RMAC folder from the StartupItems folder and run RMAC again.

2. After you’ve rebooted your Mac with a new startup script, start a Terminal session and run sysctl to make sure that the script has changed all relevant variables.

3. Connect to the internet using your cell phone.

4. Run the following speed test: http://netspeed.stanford.edu/

5. Click More Details… Your receive buffer should be approximately 105.5 Kbytes, not 8 Kbytes.

6. Run the tweak test (http://www.dslreports.com/tweaks).

7. Click more detail… at the bottom of the page.

8. Post the url for your results. The url follows the sentence: Still stuck? copy/paste this url:

Krusty
Jun 17, 2005, 10:30 PM
That's usually true; however, I can tell you from personal experience that it's not always true. My account didn't have PPU (pay per use) on it even though all the customer service reps insisted that it did. It's only after I got in contact with the Internet service people that I had MEdia Net installed AND GPRS activated on my new phone. I think the confusion had something to do with the fact that I migrated from AT&T. Just to be on the safe side, it's smart to get MEdia Net unlimited before doing any fiddling with settings.

That could be it .. I was Cingular from the get-go and had one of their phones which most likely had PPU settings pre-loaded into the phone. I'm actually planning on just sucking up the PPU expense and confirming that I get good speeds in the areas I where I spend most of my time before committing to a package ... no sense in getting an unlimited package if I can't really get the EDGE speeds I'm looking for.

I actually love my cheap-o Nokia 6340i in almost every way ... just doesn't have BT, so that kills the deal. I have an ugly-@ss SE R520m bought 3rd party (not sold with packages in the US ... it was a Europe-only model) that had EVERYTHING (minus the color screen, camera, new stuff) and literally had 30 days standby and 25 hrs talk time with this ridiculous battery I put on its back. But, I really prefer the Nokia OS so much more, the dedicated power switch on the top of the phone, and the more standard charger/headset ports. I'd love to go Nokia again with whatever new phone I get but the ones that are compatible with iSync just aren't my cup of tea. If they could get support for the 6230i (NOT the 6230 currently offered at Cingular) in iSync, I'd buy one in a heartbeat (but it won't happen .. it runs the 40 series OS which I doubt iSync will EVER support). Otherwise, I consider it the perfect phone -- 1.3mpix camera, BT, USB port, Class 10 EDGE and GPRS, MP3/AAC player, and a user upgradeable memory card .. all in a small package that looks and acts like a "normal" phone -- not one of those ridiculous PDA-phone things.

Riot Nrrrd
Jun 18, 2005, 12:48 PM
The straight tethering works fine though .. whether or not you have a MEdia Net package. They just charge you a per kilobyte rate of 1 cent/kb. This is stated on their site somewhere and I can verify since I was able to tether and I don't yet have a package.So you're saying you don't have MEdia Net, but are still able to tether? (Using f1000's instructions?)

I don't get it, no matter what I do, if I use any of the WAP.CINGULAR/ISP.CINGULAR settings, the other side drops the connection on me. If I use "proxy" then it works, but as I've mentioned, I only get GPRS speeds ... are you getting EDGE speeds, Krusty?

f1000
Jun 18, 2005, 01:21 PM
So you're saying you don't have MEdia Net, but are still able to tether? (Using f1000's instructions?)

I don't get it, no matter what I do, if I use any of the WAP.CINGULAR/ISP.CINGULAR settings, the other side drops the connection on me. If I use "proxy" then it works, but as I've mentioned, I only get GPRS speeds ... are you getting EDGE speeds, Krusty?
All Cingular customers will have access to MEdia Net PPU (pay per use) even if they don't add a MEdia Net package or bundle to their account.* As an AT&T customer, you probably won't ever have access to MEdia NET of any variety. AT&T does not equal Cingular.

* As I mentioned earlier, Cingular might not automatically activate MEdia Net PPU for people migrating over from AT&T.

joren
Jun 18, 2005, 04:17 PM
I followed your instructions. And in addition, I copy/pasted YOUR optimized settings from #6 in your first post. I checked in terminal and the script did change the settings this time.

Here is the stanford speed test results. When I clicked on more details, it only showed me this:
WEB100 Kernel Variables:
Client: localhost/127.0.0.1

But the speed test, gave me this:
________________
TCP/Web100 Network Diagnostic Tool v5.2.1e
click START to begin
Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
running 10s outbound test (client to server) . . . . . 184.15Kb/s
running 10s inbound test (server to client) . . . . . . 35.26kb/s

click START to re-test
Checking for Middleboxes . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Done
running 10s outbound test (client to server) . . . . . 231.12Kb/s
running 10s inbound test (server to client) . . . . . . 47.37kb/s
________________
The tweak test showed my RWIN at 263536. But it showed my speed significantly slower than the stanford test (I do realize this isn't a speed test).
The url for the tweak test is:
http://ttester.broadbandreports.com/tweak/block:4206a6f?service=wireless&speed=177&os=Mac&via=normal

I assure you all other TCP/IP connections are closed (no modem/ethernet/wifi).

Thank so much for helping me out with this. I'm learning so much.
joren

f1000
Jun 18, 2005, 04:54 PM
The url for the tweak test is:
http://ttester.broadbandreports.com/tweak/block:4206a6f?service=wireless&speed=177&os=Mac&via=normal
Variables:
RTTavg = 3389.4 ms
Speed = 177.6 kbps for an EDGE Class 4 device
MSS = 1460

Calculations:
1) RTTavg x 1.5 x Speed / 8
3389.4 x 1.5 x 177.6 / 8 = 112867.02
2) Divide this value by MSS
112867.02 / 1460 = 77.31
3) Round up to the next even number
78
4) Multiply this number by MSS
78 x 1460 = 113880

RWIN:
113880 Is your optimal RWIN. Assign this value to net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize in your startup script and reboot.

f1000
Jun 18, 2005, 05:03 PM
The tweak test showed my RWIN at 263536. But it showed my speed significantly slower than the stanford test (I do realize this isn't a speed test).
Ignore the RWIN value shown by the tweak test. Run the Stanford test again and confirm that your receive buffer size is identical to the value you entered for net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize.

Run the following speed test (http://cachefly.cachefly.net/1mb.test) twice. Post the highest KB/sec that you notice in the Download window.

tangus999
Jun 19, 2005, 06:41 PM
f1000 thanks a ton for the settings! i for the life of me couldn't get my phone to teether.
i used the edge modem script cid 1
followed your instructions/settings and got on no problem minus the rmac part.

but since i couldn't get rmac to work on tiger i took the rmac startupitems folder from a 10.3.9 os computer and put them in my 10.4.1 startupitems files the phone wouldn't teether anymore:brick:
i didn't try to get it to teether on the 10.3 bc i got it going on 10.4 just a little slow 12kbps up and 37kbps down

my set up: mac mini/powerbook
s710a
cingular
media net unlimited
bluetooth dlink
modem script 3G CID 1
and the settings above in bluetooth setup and network preferences

now that i can get online, anyone have any idea how to get better speeds on tiger?
and is the 2 mb limit only for gprs on wap?
anyoen know any of this?

f1000
Jun 19, 2005, 07:19 PM
but since i couldn't get rmac to work on tiger i took the rmac startupitems folder from a 10.3.9 os computer and put them in my 10.4.1 startupitems files the phone wouldn't teether anymore.
If you can't get RMAC to run on either of your Macs, try using Broadband Optimizer (http://www.enigmarelle.com/broadbandoptimizer.py) instead.

Krusty
Jun 19, 2005, 10:56 PM
So you're saying you don't have MEdia Net, but are still able to tether? (Using f1000's instructions?)

I do not have MEdia Net. Moreover, the phone with which I had success with was not a phone model that Cingular had ever offered (it was an "unlocked" European model) but I assume I had the proper settings pre-built into the SIM card for access to PPU service.


I don't get it, no matter what I do, if I use any of the WAP.CINGULAR/ISP.CINGULAR settings, the other side drops the connection on me. If I use "proxy" then it works, but as I've mentioned, I only get GPRS speeds ... are you getting EDGE speeds, Krusty?
No, I don't get EDGE speeds, I get speeds on the slow end for GPRS (of course, I've only speed tested 2 or 3 times and I haven't tried any tweaks). I bought the SE R520m in early 2003 after it was already old news (released at least in 2002 or maybe even earlier) and, to my knowledge, doesn't support EDGE at all (GPRS only) .. which is not a problem for me, I just used it to test my ability to connect. Also, I've been using the "Sony Ericsson 3G CID5" script. You should also note that Cingular has GPRS in all of their coverage are but EDGE only in most "core" areas. If you live in the fringe of a service area you may only have GPRS available.


Also, I can confirm f1000's answer to an earlier question of mine. I spoke with a Cingular rep the other day and he stated that MEdia net packages are mutually exclusive from bundles (i.e. you can't buy "unlimited" and then supplement with a "Basic" or "Works" bundle). If you go with unlimited, you must buy text and multimedia messaging as separate additions or use those features on a PPU basis.

Krusty
Jun 21, 2005, 07:41 PM
Well, I just upgraded my phone to a Nokia 6230 Class 10 EDGE and Class 10 GPRS phone. I just slapped in the optimizations listed above for the the class 4 device and got what I consider a reasonable 112k down, 47 up. I held my phone at a funny angle so it showed full reception. So, hopefully with some tweaking, I can get those speeds up to a pretty decent range. Have to say though, I'm pretty happy with the more-than-double-of-dial-up speeds out of the box. It just freakin' amazes me that I can use this literally anywhere.

f1000
Jun 21, 2005, 10:11 PM
Tweaking Tips

Tweak during hours when few people are likely to be using their cell phones.
Make sure that your cell phone is receiving the maximum bars of signal.
Turn off all other Bluetooth® devices.

GPRS has high latency; thus, speed tests that use small download files tend to underreport steady-state download speeds. The best way to speed test a GPRS connection is to download a relatively large file (1 MB), recording the instantaneous transfer rate as time progresses.

I've recorded steady-state download speeds of over 140 kbps, with burst rates of over 170 kbps (the maximum possible for a Class 4 EDGE device). Unfortunately, Internet browsing involves the frequent transfer of small files; hence, latency will make the connection seem slower than it actually is.

Riot Nrrrd
Jun 21, 2005, 10:34 PM
Krusty,

If you're now on a Class 10 device (I think my S710a is the same) but you are not signed up for MEdia Net, could you shoot me (via PM, or reply here) your settings? The Conspiracy Theorist in me still wants to believe I can only get GPRS speeds in my setup because I'm on the AT&T/Cingular Blue side; but your "I'm not on MEdia Net" claim makes me wonder whether that's just a crutch I'm using or not.

In particular, I'd be interested to know if your Mac-side setup uses "proxy" for the connection or if you are using the "WAP.CINGULAR" or "ISP.CINGULAR" with "CINGULAR1" password settings as described in various places. I'd also be *really* keen to see a verbose Connection Log (as in my posts above) from Internet Connect when you make your now-wonderful 112Kb/47Kb connections through the phone.

f1000
Jun 21, 2005, 10:49 PM
In particular, I'd be interested to know if your Mac-side setup uses "proxy" for the connection or if you are using the "WAP.CINGULAR" or "ISP.CINGULAR" with "CINGULAR1" password settings as described in various places. I'd also be *really* keen to see a verbose Connection Log (as in my posts above) from Internet Connect when you make your now-wonderful 112Kb/47Kb connections through the phone.I could only use the proxy APN when I was on Cingular Blue (AT&T).

Cingular's MEdia Net comes in three flavors:

MEdia Net Packages (1 MB, 5 MB, 10 MB, Unlimited)
MEdia Net Bundles (Basic, Works)
MEdia Net PPU (Pay-Per-Use)
All new Cingular customers have MEdia Net PPU included in their accounts. This is what Krusty had when he first signed up to Cingular.

Cingular Blue (AT&T) customers, such as myself, who migrate over to Cingular Orange may not have any version of MEdia Net included in their accounts; not even MEdia Net PPU. I couldn't use any of Cingular's WAP services, even on the phone, until I asked customer service to activate it for me.

Riot Nrrrd
Jun 21, 2005, 11:20 PM
I could only use the proxy APN when I was on Cingular Blue (AT&T).

Cingular's MEdia Net comes in three flavors:

MEdia Net Packages (1 MB, 5 MB, 10 MB, Unlimited)
MEdia Net Bundles (Basic, Works)
MEdia Net PPU (Pay-Per-Use)
All new Cingular customers have MEdia Net PPU included in their accounts. This is what Krusty had when he first signed up to Cingular.

Cingular Blue (AT&T) customers, such as myself, who migrate over to Cingular Orange may not have any version of MEdia Net included in their accounts; not even MEdia Net PPU. I couldn't use any of Cingular's WAP services, even on the phone, until I asked customer service to activate it for me.So, what's probably happening to me is that I can't even use the "MEdia Net PPU", my side either sends my phone number across (or some other identifer that uniquely identifies my phone number/account or somesuch) and the other end does some sort of lookup and decides that I'm not a valid customer as such, and rejects me (thus dropping the link negotiation). Oui?

Krusty
Jun 22, 2005, 12:54 AM
Riot Nrrd. My Settings are exactly as shown in item #5 of f1000's first post (at least on the Mac end). Now, on the phone end, you may have to change some settings in your phone (for example, my "GPRS Access Point" in my phone is set to isp.cingular thought I don't use that information anywhere in my Mac setup.

Best advice I can give is to look at your connectivity settings in your phone itself .. they probably default to AT&T specific settings so you may have to change them to the appropriate Cingular settings. Find a friend with Cingular and copy what they have OR just go to a Cingular store and tell them your story (new customer from AT & T, etc.). I hear that they will help customers setup 3rd party phones etc. (Honestly, why wouldn't they ... even if you don't sign up for MEdiaNet plan, they can still make lucrative PPU charges off of you if you get your phone set up right).

I wish I could remember now what it was, but I seem to recall having the same problem you did initially with my SE R520m. I can't remember what the trick was to get it working though. I think it was something like choosing the 3G Sony Ericsson CID1 script instead of the GPRS R520m scripts that were "supposed" to work with my phone.

NewOldbie
Jun 22, 2005, 11:51 AM
Slightly off topic:

Is this GPRS/EDGE the same as the wireless broadband internet access that my Verizon wireless guys have been trying to sell me for $80/mo??

I got the impression Cingular's EDGE required a PCMIA card for data only?

Thanks for any clarification.

f1000
Jun 22, 2005, 03:07 PM
Slightly off topic:

Is this GPRS/EDGE the same as the wireless broadband internet access that my Verizon wireless guys have been trying to sell me for $80/mo??
In a word, no.

Verizon = CDMA
Cingular = GSM

EV-DO is Verizon's 3g solution.
EDGE is Cingular's stop-gap solution to 3g.

UMTS will be Cingular's 3g equivalent to EV-DO. UMTS is already available in several cities; by the end of this year, UMTS will be rolled out in a total of 18 cities. Unfortunately, UMTS won't reach the rest of the country until 2007.

While EDGE is a slower 2.5g technology, it's currently available throughout the country.


I got the impression Cingular's EDGE required a PCMIA card for data only?
You can tether to an EDGE phone or PDA via a cable or Bluetooth®, as described in this thread.

NewOldbie
Jun 22, 2005, 04:12 PM
In a word, no.

EV-DO is Verizon's 3g solution.
EDGE is Cingular's stop-gap solution to 3g.

UMTS will be Cingular's 3g equivalent to EV-DO. UMTS is already available in several cities; by the end of this year, UMTS will be rolled out in a total of 18 cities. Unfortunately, UMTS won't reach the rest of the country until 2007.

While EDGE is a slower 2.5g technology, it's currently available throughout the country.



That's what I wanted to know. I use cable at home but when I travel I have been out of luck unless I can find a WiFi hotspot. Now that I've upgraded my cell phone I was looking at a way to eliminate my cable modem at home.

Verizon's 3G system would have done it for me except I need broadband access on the home computers even while I am on the road with my PB (somehow I have a feeling there is no single solution here, I'm going to have to have both types of services).

But at least for now, I can use the GPRS/EDGE for remote access until UMTS is out. From speaking to Cingular reps it seems this service is available now. I guess I need to take another look at the coverage areas.

Thanks for your efforts working out the scripts/settings for teathering. I played with it last night and it is a go.

------

Does anyone know how to set up a bluetooth phone (Motorola Razr) to DIAL INTO an old fashioned network ala Roadrunner/university dial-up access? GPRS/EDGE is faster but I like to have a backup/contingency plan.

I have had no luck thus far. :brick:

f1000
Jun 22, 2005, 05:03 PM
Does anyone know how to set up a bluetooth phone (Motorola Razr) to DIAL INTO an old fashioned network ala Roadrunner/university dial-up access? GPRS/EDGE is faster but I like to have a backup/contingency plan.
I don't believe that the Motorola RAZR has a built-in analog modem.

EDIT: http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=255643

donniegood
Jun 22, 2005, 07:58 PM
edge is not available throughout the entire country it is only in edge markets, I am in ft. hood texas right now it isnt available here nor is it available in my area of michigan the closet place to me with it in michigan is metro detroit

f1000
Jun 22, 2005, 08:28 PM
edge is not available throughout the entire country it is only in edge markets, I am in ft. hood texas right now it isnt available here nor is it available in my area of michigan the closet place to me with it in michigan is metro detroit
EDGE is available almost everywhere Cingular GPRS service is available. That's close enough to national coverage for me, and it's a far cry from EV-DO, UTMS, or Wi-Fi availability.


EDGE Coverage

http://www.slashphone.com/news/uploads/1479/edge.gif (http://www.cingular.com/download/CING_Data_Services_Gen_V8.pdf)


EV-DO Coverage

http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/9/0,1311,i=99677,00.gif (http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/9/0,1311,sz=1&i=92233,00.gif)

NewOldbie
Jun 22, 2005, 09:59 PM
I don't believe that the Motorola RAZR has a built-in analog modem.

EDIT: http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=255643

Okay, for academic purposes . . . how about using it as a phone to dial out?

If I hook it up to my PB using USB cable, use the internal modem to access the phone and dial out, it should work no?

I'll see if I can tinker with it this weekend.

Anybody got tips?? :err:

f1000
Jun 22, 2005, 10:16 PM
Okay, for academic purposes . . . how about using it as a phone to dial out?

If I hook it up to my PB using USB cable, use the internal modem to access the phone and dial out, it should work no?
How would your internal modem be able to communicate with your cell phone via the USB cable? The internal modem interacts with a telephone line via its RJ-11 jack.

You'd probably need to acousto-couple the RJ-11 jack to the RAZR headphone input. After you had accomplished this, you'd then need to figure out a way to initiate a connection.

Maybe someone can provide you with more helpful tips if you post a specific thread on this.

NewOldbie
Jun 22, 2005, 10:32 PM
You'd probably need to acousto-couple the RJ-11 jack to the RAZR headphone input. After you had accomplished this, you'd then need to figure out a way to initiate a connection.



So 22 - 25 years AFTER we got rid of acustic coupler modems I'm going to have to dig it out of my garage?!?! :eek:

Thanks tho, I'll start a different thread for the cell phone gearheads instead of taking things further off topic :D

Rhomboid
Jun 23, 2005, 05:20 PM
f1000 Bueller, you're my hero. 8)

I'm running Tiger on a Powerbook 1.2GHz and using a V551.
I've got Cingular with the unlimited data plan.

Right now, in the afternoon in an area that I'm fairly sure is quite busy (Bellevue, WA) I'm getting about 115kbps down and 29kbps up according to DSLReports' speed test. Better than the 5.7kbps I was getting before finding this forum, heh.

The keys for me were:

- Get the 3G scripts from http://www.taniwha.org.uk
- Change the sysctl settings, still tweaking here

I also created a Network Location called "v551" in System Preferences -> Network. This was more of an aesthetic/organizational thing for me. I can just select that location, "apply", and I'm connecting.

Being a BSD guy, I also just created a /etc/sysctl.conf with the sysctl settings so they're loaded on startup without having to use a third party utility or going into /Library/StartUpItems. I also hear that this method of running items on startup is now depreciated in favor of the new launchd system:

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars/5

NewOldbie
Jun 24, 2005, 01:28 AM
I'm tweaking my settings:

Using your settings:

$SYSCTL "net.inet.tcp.sendspace=262144"
$SYSCTL "net.inet.tcp.recvspace=262144"
$SYSCTL "net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize=108040"
$SYSCTL "kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=2097152"
$SYSCTL "net.inet.tcp.newreno=1"


I'm getting

DL=27kbps
UL=18kbps

:cry:

Am running Motorola 3G CID1
on a 17" Rev A AL Book 10.3.9
Motorola Razr V3

Waiting for tweak test to be available to play with the RWIN

On my broadband (cable), I was getting

DL=2526kbps
UL=503kbps :p

NewOldbie
Jun 24, 2005, 04:03 AM
Well, I've been messing with this for the last 4 hours. No real improvements.

I went to the Phone Arena (http://phonearena.com/htmls/phone_filter.php) and did some reading. Maybe I'm not seeing EDGE speed because my phone is a GPRS only? I'll call Cingular in the AM and see what they say. I have another 2 weeks to decide so maybe I should go to a V551.

Anybody have ideas?

Krusty
Jun 24, 2005, 07:43 AM
Unfortunately, I think you are right NewOldbie. When I went phone shopping I looked specifically for a Class 10 EDGE device. If I remember correctly, the RAZR was NOT and EDGE device.

NewOldbie
Jun 24, 2005, 11:58 AM
Krysty,

What were your conclusions for a Class 10 EDGE phone? (Why did you choose Nokia 6230 over others?)

f1000
Jun 24, 2005, 01:22 PM
Cingular's lineup of EDGE with Bluetooth® phones as of 6/20/2005: Palm Treo 650 (Class 10)
Motorola V551 (Class 4)
Sony Ericsson s710a (Class 10)
Nokia 6620 (Class ??)
Nokia 6230 (Class 10)


The Motorola RAZR V3 isn't one of them, although future RAZRs and SLVRs will be.

f1000
Jun 24, 2005, 01:30 PM
Right now, in the afternoon in an area that I'm fairly sure is quite busy (Bellevue, WA) I'm getting about 115kbps down and 29kbps up according to DSLReports' speed test.
Thank for the datum; it's great to hear that it works in the Northwest! :thumbsup:


I also created a Network Location called "v551" in System Preferences -> Network. This was more of an aesthetic/organizational thing for me. I can just select that location, "apply", and I'm connecting.
I use a generic "Travel" location as well.


I also hear that this method of running items on startup is now depreciated in favor of the new launchd system:

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars/5
I'll have to putz with this when I get Tiger.

Rhomboid
Jun 24, 2005, 06:24 PM
# Sony Ericsson s710a (Class 10)

Anyone using this phone? I went to the Cingular store and checked it out (thinking moving from Class 4 to Class 10 might be nifty) but wasn't too crazy about the construction. It's a big, pretty screen but being mounted on the outside of a rather large brick, it's begging to pick up a bunch of scratches and blemishes.

Can anyone attest to getting really good speeds out of the 710 (especially in the NW USA)? I really like the form factor of my V551. I'd probably only switch if I thought I was going to get a big boost.

NewOldbie
Jun 24, 2005, 06:45 PM
I did a quick walkthrough of the local Cingular store this afternoon. Since I want an EDGE compatible phone I've been thinking about that list f1000 posted.

Of the 5, I'll most likely go with the Sony Ericsson s710 unless someone can point out a better phone. Would love to hear if there's any real advantage for a Class 10 over Class 4 (Motorola V551) phone.

The things we do for SPEED. :D

f1000
Jun 24, 2005, 10:31 PM
Of the 5, I'll most likely go with the Sony Ericsson s710 unless someone can point out a better phone. Would love to hear if there's any real advantage for a Class 10 over Class 4 (Motorola V551) phone.
I longed for the s710a until I saw how bulky it was. Still, the s710a has bells and whistles galore; the V551 doesn't even work with Salling Clicker. :(

Also, as Krusty pointed out, Motorola and Sony Ericsson need to refine their interfaces.

Krusty
Jun 24, 2005, 11:08 PM
Krysty,

What were your conclusions for a Class 10 EDGE phone? (Why did you choose Nokia 6230 over others?)
Well, pretty much I wanted Nokia for the OS, and an otherwise smallish and normal looking form factor. The overall feature set of the 6230 (and 6230i which is what I really would prefer) are extremely similar to the 710a but in a much smaller and less in-your-face package. But that's just personal preference stuff really, I don't think its really "better" than the 710a ... just more of what I want.

Both the 6230 and s710a have a pretty robust set of features (upgradeable memory cards, mp3/aac players, etc) that may come in handy from time to time as well. If you can stand to wait, wait on the 6230i to filter in to the Cingular line up. I saw samples of the photos it can take and they are far superior to the 6230, plus I think it allows adding attachments to email which the 6230 doesn't If the 6230i comes out soon, I'll be happy to sell you a barely used 6230 for a song :)

mrpuddles
Jun 26, 2005, 06:33 PM
I'm trying to setup a V551 to use with Tiger and it doesn't seem to be working. Can someone describe how they set it up beyond the instructions on page 1. I entered that information, but when I dial out - nothing happens and it says disconnecting.

Also, I originally purchased the S710a before trading it in for the V551. The S710a is *way* too big for day to day use. If you had it as a second phone, it would be great. However, I couldn't get it to fit in my jeans pocket and I'm a skinny guy. The UI on the SE kills the UI on the moto. I just gave in and bought the moto with a 1-year and look forward to better phones in a year. The Cingular selection isn't stellar right now.

The 6230i will be a great phone.

f1000
Jun 26, 2005, 07:54 PM
I'm trying to setup a V551 to use with Tiger and it doesn't seem to be working. Can someone describe how they set it up beyond the instructions on page 1. I entered that information, but when I dial out - nothing happens and it says disconnecting..
Do you see the EDGE indicator 'E' on your cellular phone?
Reboot both your laptop and your cell phone. I've noticed that the V551 has a flakey OS that needs to be rebooted almost every time I put it on the FastForward charger. Don't connect any charger to your phone after you've rebooted it; then test your connection.
Make sure that MEdia Net is actually activated. If you signed up for it recently, it may not be activated on your account until July 1.

mrpuddles
Jun 27, 2005, 12:40 AM
Thanks, a simple reboot of both devices did the trick. It works great, but I still need to tweak the settings. Is there a way to load temporary settings that I can unload so as to not alter the speed of my wireless connection?

RMAC doesn't work for Tiger and the other optimizer that was listed does not extract from its archive.

f1000
Jun 27, 2005, 04:39 PM
Is there a way to load temporary settings that I can unload so as to not alter the speed of my wireless connection?
You can use Terminal to http://discussions.info.apple.com/webx?13@969.LXjIasQMTsN.3@.68b0580e/0 (edit sysctl system variables on the fly. The changes will be lost after a reboot, though.

Example:sudo sysctl -w net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize=108040

mrpuddles
Jun 27, 2005, 07:11 PM
I did the speed test in Austin, TX (by UT Campus):

V551 w/o Optimization:
Download: 78 kbps
Upload: 31 kbps

V551 w/ suggested Optimization:
Download: 82 kbps
Upload: 24 kbps

My Cable Modem (TimeWarner):
Download: 4496 kbps
Upload: 356 kbps

Odd that my results didn't change, I must have messed up somewhere

Krusty
Jun 27, 2005, 10:49 PM
Hmmm ... maybe the bottleneck is the bandwidth available where you are. Being near the UT campus, I'd imagine a network that is reasonably congested with people accessing Cingular's data network. If you may, I'd suggest trying it at some really weird time of day (like 5:00 am or something) and see if it improves.

As for me, I let myself get suckered in to another (very expensive, data intensive) speed test and it bested my former number of 112k down (I got 122 this time) and this is with Class IV optimizations on my Class 10 device ... so I'm reasonably satisfied with what I'm getting. It's about 2.5x realistic dial-up speeds, so to me it seems well worth the extra $20 I'm gonna plop down for unlimited MEdiaNet (as soon as I get a laptop ... I've been testing with my eMac's internal BT thus far).

mrpuddles
Jun 28, 2005, 11:06 PM
Hmmm ... maybe the bottleneck is the bandwidth available where you are. Being near the UT campus, I'd imagine a network that is reasonably congested with people accessing Cingular's data network. If you may, I'd suggest trying it at some really weird time of day (like 5:00 am or something) and see if it improves.

As for me, I let myself get suckered in to another (very expensive, data intensive) speed test and it bested my former number of 112k down (I got 122 this time) and this is with Class IV optimizations on my Class 10 device ... so I'm reasonably satisfied with what I'm getting. It's about 2.5x realistic dial-up speeds, so to me it seems well worth the extra $20 I'm gonna plop down for unlimited MEdiaNet (as soon as I get a laptop ... I've been testing with my eMac's internal BT thus far).


Krusty, I'll try that out. Also, UT doesn't have many cell towers that are near the campus. I'm sure that factors in the speed that I can achieve. I'll probably make a drive around town sometime in the next couple of weeks and see what I can achieve. 122k is pretty nice. I'm assuming that you're using a S710a?

Krusty
Jun 28, 2005, 11:45 PM
Krusty, I'll try that out. Also, UT doesn't have many cell towers that are near the campus. I'm sure that factors in the speed that I can achieve. I'll probably make a drive around town sometime in the next couple of weeks and see what I can achieve. 122k is pretty nice. I'm assuming that you're using a S710a?

Nope, I'm using the Nokia 6230 (see above) ... and since I don't yet own a laptop, I'm stuck testing from my home (which has less-than-full reception most of the time). Can't wait to get a laptop and see if my speeds pick up closer to a tower.

xMetal
Jun 30, 2005, 11:46 AM
what is the name of the rmac script that goes in the startup items? I mean, the actual filename.

RMAC seems to bomb out on Tiger and I just want to crate the file by hand but don't know what to call it.

mrchin
Jul 1, 2005, 10:58 AM
Using OS 10.4.1 won't allow me to select and create a startup RMAC. This app first doesn't allow me to modify the strings of sendspace, etc, to the number like in the original post. The max I can set to is 65535. Also, no place to have the full code written out.

What's the actual process to do this? And how do you set this for a specified interface? I know fw0, en0 and en1, but what's bluetooth or PPP?

aaronmarks
Jul 1, 2005, 10:08 PM
I'm having problems getting this stuff working at the right speeds. I live in Seattle, WA and I have:
15" PowerBook G4 1.5GHz
Motorola v551
Cingular MediaNet Unlimited
3G Modem Scripts from Ross
Optimized with RMAC using f1000's settings
I used to have a Sony Ericsson T637 and was able to get connected at almost the same speeds with that phone. I can connect just fine with either phone but the max speed that I have been able to achieve with my v551 is 32/24 and the max speed that I ever got with my T637 was 25/12. That doesn't seem much like an EDGE increase as it could be attributed to just having a different phone that handles GPRS better. I seriously question if the WAP.CINGULAR APN supports EDGE at all because it seems like I'm not getting EDGE speeds. I even drove around the greater Seattle area to see if I could achieve faster speeds somewhere else. Even with full signal strength I never got any faster.

Is it possible that in some areas you have to use the ISP.CINGULAR APN to get EDGE speeds. This page that I found seemed to think so: http://www.idmonsters.com/archives/2004/07/motorola_v600_w.php.

I'd greatly appreciate any help that you guys could give me in trying to get better speeds. I just feel really unsatisfied considering I'm paying $20/month for unlimited MediaNet and I just bought a new phone specifically for the EDGE features. :brick:

Looking forward to hearing back.

aaronmarks
Jul 1, 2005, 10:13 PM
Using OS 10.4.1 won't allow me to select and create a startup RMAC. This app first doesn't allow me to modify the strings of sendspace, etc, to the number like in the original post. The max I can set to is 65535. Also, no place to have the full code written out.

What's the actual process to do this? And how do you set this for a specified interface? I know fw0, en0 and en1, but what's bluetooth or PPP?In order to create the startup RMAC thing you have to go to //Library/StartupItems and doing a command+I (get info) on the StartupItems directory and then going to down to permissions and setting them to the user. You'll then get some messages the next time you reboot to fix the permissions, then you'll have to reboot again. You have to do this everytime I found to change the script.

aaronmarks
Jul 1, 2005, 11:31 PM
So I drove over to Bellevue, WA, and pulled up about 100 ft. away from a cell tower and ran a speed test. The fastest even at 100 ft. from the tower was 66/27 :cry:

EDIT: Well, I ran the test again right after I ran that last one and I got 95/31 (at 100 feet), 90/28 (at 1/4 mile), and 131/28 (at 3/4 miles). Then I went over to University Village in Seattle and got 143/26.

So it looks like someone answered my prayers about the speed getting better, but I'm still very dissapointed in the range to speed ratio. It seems like if you are even one bar down you aren't getting anything better than like 50-70k/s. Then with just 3 bars you are getting between 20-40k/s. The latency gets really really bad as the bars go down as well.

f1000
Jul 2, 2005, 07:05 AM
RMAC seems to bomb out on Tiger and I just want to crate the file by hand but don't know what to call it.
Using OS 10.4.1 won't allow me to select and create a startup RMAC. This app first doesn't allow me to modify the strings of sendspace, etc, to the number like in the original post. The max I can set to is 65535. Also, no place to have the full code written out.
For those of you having problems with RMAC and Tiger, I suggest that you do what Rhomboid did and just create a sysctl.conf file in /etc.

Use Terminal and your favorite text editor (pico, vi, etc.) to create the following file:
net.inet.tcp.sendspace=262144
net.inet.tcp.recvspace=262144
net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize=108040
kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=2097152
net.inet.tcp.newreno=1
Save as /etc/sysctl.conf. Reboot.

f1000
Jul 2, 2005, 07:19 AM
So I drove over to Bellevue, WA, and pulled up about 100 ft. away from a cell tower and ran a speed test. The fastest even at 100 ft. from the tower was 66/27 :cry:

EDIT: Well, I ran the test again right after I ran that last one and I got 95/31 (at 100 feet), 90/28 (at 1/4 mile), and 131/28 (at 3/4 miles). Then I went over to University Village in Seattle and got 143/26.

So it looks like someone answered my prayers about the speed getting better, but I'm still very dissapointed in the range to speed ratio. It seems like if you are even one bar down you aren't getting anything better than like 50-70k/s. Then with just 3 bars you are getting between 20-40k/s. The latency gets really really bad as the bars go down as well.
As I mentioned on page 1, there are many factors that can affect download rates: distance, interference, slot allocation, network congestion, etc. Sometimes the speed tests themselves give aberrant results.

I've found that the most reliable way to speed test a connection is to download a 1 MB file and monitor the actual download rate in real-time.

PS: You need to crop that image or else a mod is going to delete (http://forums.macnn.com/announcement.php?f=57) it. Thanks for the data points, though. :thumbsup:

f1000
Jul 2, 2005, 07:29 AM
Is it possible that in some areas you have to use the ISP.CINGULAR APN to get EDGE speeds. This page that I found seemed to think so: http://www.idmonsters.com/archives/2004/07/motorola_v600_w.php.
As far as I know, Cingular cut off access to the ISP.CINGULAR apn to new MEdia Net customers several months ago; however, some current customers may be grandfathered in. ISP.CINGULAR (and ISPDA.CINGULAR) is only available to Data Connect and PDA Connect customers.

aaronmarks
Jul 3, 2005, 07:00 AM
I went and traded in my Motorola v551 today for a Nokia 6230. I had to have a candy bar style phone and I hadn't been too happy with the RF that I was getting with the v551. I'll have to run some more tests tomorrow to see if I actually get better performance now with the Class 10 EDGE phone.

FYI to anyone with a Nokia 6230, download PhoneDirector 1.0.6. It's no iSync, but it allows you to pretty much synchronize your phone book, calendar, etc... it's not all done in one click, but it works. If it weren't for this program I would have never even looked at the 6230.

My initial impression though of this phone is that it does have much better signal strength than my v551. I really like the phone a lot, and it seems to be built better. The first v551 that I opened up at the Cingular store broke in my hands, the hinge broke and the guy gave me anotehr one. I should have taken that as a bad sign. Then within a week the motorola logo was peeling off the front of my phone, and I'm totally careful with my phones (even carry it in a separate pocket from everything else). As far as staying on topic though, the edge latency seems better, and I also just in my first tests seem to be getting better speeds.As far as I know, Cingular cut off access to the ISP.CINGULAR apn to new MEdia Net customers several months ago; however, some current customers may be grandfathered in. ISP.CINGULAR (and ISPDA.CINGULAR) is only available to Data Connect and PDA Connect customers.I would think that it would be really interesting to run a test and find out if the ISP.CINGULAR APN's are actually faster or if they just allow for VPN's, etc....

mrpuddles
Jul 3, 2005, 09:11 PM
For those of you having problems with RMAC and Tiger, I suggest that you do what Rhomboid did and just create a sysctl.conf file in /etc.

Use Terminal and your favorite text editor (pico, vi, etc.) to create the following file:
net.inet.tcp.sendspace=262144
net.inet.tcp.recvspace=262144
net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize=108040
kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=2097152
net.inet.tcp.newreno=1
Save as /etc/sysctl.conf. Reboot.


I've tried that and it said permission denied. I am on an Administrator account. Odd.

aaronmarks
Jul 3, 2005, 09:19 PM
I've tried that and it said permission denied. I am on an Administrator account. Odd.I'm pretty sure that you actually have to give yourself root permissions. I think that to do this you would have to use the Netinfo Manager under //Applications/Utilities

mrpuddles
Jul 4, 2005, 11:35 PM
Latest set of tests without optimization:

Download: 140kbps
Upload: 10kbps

Download: 102kbps
Upload: 33kbps

aaronmarks
Jul 5, 2005, 02:23 AM
I only ran one speedtest with the new Nokia 6230, but just on the first try it was definitely faster than my one time record 143/26 with the Motorola v551. I got a 145/53: http://www.aaronmarks.com/images/edge.jpg

That is plenty fast for me since I was mostly concerned about speeding up the upload a little bit since that 20-30k upload was really annoying me. The internet feels much zippier now with it, and when I have full signal strength I don't mind using it at all even for normal web browsing. (plus, I don't think that the novelty has quite wore off yet of how cool it is to be able to be working off of a nationwide wireless data network ;))

mrpuddles
Jul 7, 2005, 09:40 PM
Two issues:

First, I have read before that surfing on Media.Net discloses your phone number. I read that for WAP browsing off of the phone., but it doesn't look like it works that way for my Mac. I've hit my Mac for info and it just gives the typical info, with no disclosure of phone number. Anyone have issues with the phone number?

Second, I have to restart my Mac to use my V551 as a modem. However, it will always work with iSync without a restart. Anyone know how to fix this issue. It drives me nuts.

quietjim
Jul 22, 2005, 04:54 PM
Suddenly today my Al 15 powerbook (10.4.2) will not connect to my v551. Any ideas? What do I need to delete to start set up over?

Krusty
Jul 22, 2005, 09:54 PM
System Preferences->Bluetooth->Devices. Delete the v551 from the list. Then go to the Bluetooth Setup Assistant and re-add the v551 again. Not sure why yours isn't working BUT this is the way to start from scratch.

quietjim
Jul 28, 2005, 09:42 PM
[QUOTE=aaronmarks]I only ran one speedtest with the new Nokia 6230, but just on the first try it was definitely faster than my one time record 143/26 with the Motorola v551. I got a 145/53: http://www.aaronmarks.com/images/edge.jpg

Using this same speedtest, I got results ranging from 138 to 148 (down) / 31 to 42 (up). I'm in SE CT, using the NYC and Wash DC servers to test; 9:40 PM on a Thurs night. Al 15" 10.4.1 Motorola v551.

I installed the modified sysctl.conf file and used the scripts and the instructions here. I huge thank you to everyone who contributed; I've been through these posts several times and I know it would have taken me a lot longer to do it on my own.

crozlo
Aug 10, 2005, 05:56 AM
Hey f1000,

First off, increadibly helpful stuff. I've ready the whole thread rather carefully, and I must admit i'm familiar w/ everything short of the tweak testing and terminal / startup script based throughput optimization.

I am running:
s710a
powerbook 15" al G4 1.5 768RAM
mac os 10.4.2
medianet unlimited
*manually (via terminal) updated network settings as per your posts: (sudo sysctl -w)

et.inet.tcp.sendspace=262144
net.inet.tcp.recvspace=262144
net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize=108040
kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=2097152
net.inet.tcp.newreno=1

NOTE: This was after i ran broadband optimizer and SEEMED to notice a speed increase on my broadband connections right away. I reported the fastest connections in my area via BroadbandReports.Com. I'll go back and check w/out the optimizer startup script after a restart and see what I get, but right now my BROADBAND is operating nearly at the max of my possible, so that's good.

I have used a Motorola v600 tethered to my PB 15" 1.5 ghz 768RAM w/ Cingular MediaNet now for over a year and it has proven indespensible. I recently upgraded my phone to an s710a, and have been in the process of reconfiguring for EDGE capability.

I have been able to connect successfully w/ the Sony Ericsson 3G CID1 & 2 scripts, but am only achieving down: 30ish kbps / up: 9 kbps. I am in Santa Barbara, CA (full bars at current location) and have been Speed Testing at BroadbandReports.Com off of the line link server based in Los Angeles @ 2am.

dn: 33k / up: 9k report is AFTER using the terminal "sudo sysctl -w" command to update all of the above stated network parameters. these speed reports are the same as when my network settings were "un-optimized".

1. Can you advise as to what might be the hangup. I'm fairly sure its not cell related as we have very current services in this area, and I have every reason to believe local towers support EDGE. By the looks of it, I'm only getting GPRS speeds.

2. Can you advise more clearly where this /etc directory is and (sorry i'm such a layman) explain just what i need to do to create a startup script to optimize net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize RWIN value? As stated earlier in the thread, RMAC is not compatible w/ tiger, and BroadBand Optimizer does not adjust the slowlink value.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT!

f1000
Aug 10, 2005, 10:25 AM
I have been able to connect successfully w/ the Sony Ericsson 3G CID1 & 2 scripts, but am only achieving down: 30ish kbps / up: 9 kbps. I am in Santa Barbara, CA (full bars at current location) and have been Speed Testing at BroadbandReports.Com off of the line link server based in Los Angeles @ 2am.
Run the Speakeasy speed test from the Los Angeles server: http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/

Also, do a sysctl -a to confirm that you have in fact altered your system variables.

Report back your results, thanks.

crozlo
Aug 13, 2005, 07:24 PM
Here you go, f1000:

Un-Optimized Test #1:
Download Speed: 42 kbps (5.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 10 kbps (1.3 KB/sec transfer rate)

Un-Optimized Test #2:
Download Speed: 43 kbps (5.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 10 kbps (1.3 KB/sec transfer rate)

THEN:
I used the terminal and the "sudo" commands you gave me (sudo sysctl -w net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize=108040, etc...) to tweak my system to the following settings:

net.inet.tcp.sendspace=262144
net.inet.tcp.recvspace=262144
net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize=10804
kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=2097152
net.inet.tcp.newreno=1

I verified that the commands worked by quitting the terminal session, restarting terminal and typing sysctl -a. Upon inspection, I could see that all above settings were in effect.
Additionally, I restarted Safari before testing. Here are the results:

Optimized Test #1:
Download Speed: 40 kbps (5 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 10 kbps (1.3 KB/sec transfer rate)

Optimized Test #2:
Download Speed: 38 kbps (4.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 10 kbps (1.3 KB/sec transfer rate)

So, as you can see, I definitely am not getting a speed increase.

Any thoughts??
Thanks!


Oh yeah..btw... I tested from a good coverage area (affluent neighborhood) and had full bars on my phone at the time of testing. Also, I tested during relatively low internet traffic.

Any thoughts??
Thanks!

f1000
Aug 13, 2005, 08:59 PM
net.inet.tcp.sendspace=262144
net.inet.tcp.recvspace=262144
net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize=10804
kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=2097152
net.inet.tcp.newreno=1

net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize=10804

^ Is the value for this variable really that low? It should be equal to 108040.

Krusty
Aug 13, 2005, 10:32 PM
Hey f1000. Did anyone ever find an equivalent of RMAC for 10.4. I used it successfully with 10.3 but my new iBook (pre-loaded 10.4) will be arriving soon and its what I really plan to use this MEdia Net gig with. Can't wait to be truly, truly mobile.

crozlo
Aug 14, 2005, 06:28 PM
net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize=10804

^ Is the value for this variable really that low? It should be equal to 108040.


No. The value isn't really that low. That was a cut/paste typo on my part (sorry). I just checked and re-entered the "sudo" command to up the slowlink value and it showed:

net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize: 108040 -> 108040

..so clearly it was set to your value already

:-(

guesses?

Should I be trying some of the other modem scripts available? CID1, 2, etc?? I've been connecting w/ CID 1 mostly. A couple times w/ CID 2. wap.cingular. I should be able to get better speed. People have succeeded doing this w/ other s710a's, haven't they??

f1000
Aug 14, 2005, 07:35 PM
Hey f1000. Did anyone ever find an equivalent of RMAC for 10.4. I used it successfully with 10.3 but my new iBook (pre-loaded 10.4) will be arriving soon and its what I really plan to use this MEdia Net gig with. Can't wait to be truly, truly mobile.
I would use Rhomboid's solution from several posts above.

f1000
Aug 14, 2005, 07:48 PM
Should I be trying some of the other modem scripts available? CID1, 2, etc?? I've been connecting w/ CID 1 mostly. A couple times w/ CID 2. wap.cingular. I should be able to get better speed. People have succeeded doing this w/ other s710a's, haven't they??
Firstly, I don't have Tiger yet so I'm not going to be of much help in troubleshooting problems specific to that OS. Secondly, I don't have an s710a (although I'm thinking about cheating on my Moto), so again I'm not going to be the best person to ask for help in troubleshooting that particular device.

My gut feeling is that your network is down. Call Cingular up and ask them to confirm that EDGE is up and working in your area. Also, if you have a laptop, try driving to a nearby city and testing your modem there.

Another possibility is that the S710a has built-in settings that need to be adjusted. Check Howardsforum for assistance on this matter.

Finally, make sure that you have the right scripts. These are the scripts that you should be using: http://www.taniwha.org.uk/files/SonyEricsson3G-2005-01.sit

I've looked briefly at the scripts and noticed the following line:

! Set serial port speed based on EC/Compression flag, for low-speed serial ports
! (flag is otherwise irrelevant since we always leave EC/Compression on)
! =0 : 57600
! =1 : 460800
!
ifstr 5 1 "0"
!

Make sure that your serial port is set to the higher of the two speeds or else you're going to experience GPRS performance. You may have to rewrite the script in order to force the serial port to default to the higher speed. The script may have been tuned for USB cables, not Bluetooth connections.

Krusty
Aug 14, 2005, 07:58 PM
I would use Rhomboid's solution from several posts above.
Yikes, how in the heck did I miss that one. I should re-read from time to time, I just went straight to the bottom of the thread.
Thanks :thumbsup:

f1000
Aug 16, 2005, 05:50 AM
Crozio, I've been looking at Ross Barkman's Sony-Ericsson scripts more carefully and I'd like you to make the following precise edit to the "Sony Ericsson 3G CID1" script.

Replace this...
! ---- Modem setup ----
!
!
! Set serial port speed based on EC/Compression flag, for low-speed serial ports
! (flag is otherwise irrelevant since we always leave EC/Compression on)
! =0 : 57600
! =1 : 460800
!
ifstr 5 1 "0"
!
serreset 460800, 0, 8, 1
hsreset 0 0 0 0 0 0
settries 0
jump 2
!
@LABEL 1
!
serreset 57600, 0, 8, 1
hsreset 0 0 0 0 0 0
settries 0

...with this.
! ---- Modem setup ----
!
! Set serial port speed 460800, all interface signals off
!
serreset 460800, 0, 8, 1
hsreset 0 0 0 0 0 0
settries 0

I'm theorizing that ifstr 5 is returning "0" for Bluetooth connections. As a result, the script resets your port to 57600 instead of 460800.

EDIT: I've confirmed that ifstr 5 returns "0" for Bluetooth connections (at least it does so in Panther); thus, the script is resetting your serial port to 57600 bps. Make the above edit and you should see a dramatic speed improvement. Post back with some results.

f1000
Aug 16, 2005, 06:32 AM
Riot Nrrrd,

Please see my above post concerning Ross Barkman's SE script.

f1000
Aug 16, 2005, 06:33 AM
tangus999,

Please see my above post concerning Ross Barkman's SE script.

olmediaport
Aug 16, 2005, 11:01 AM
Hey f1000,

First off, increadibly helpful stuff. I've ready the whole thread rather carefully, and I must admit i'm familiar w/ everything short of the tweak testing and terminal / startup script based throughput optimization.

I am running:
s710a
powerbook 15" al G4 1.5 768RAM
mac os 10.4.2
medianet unlimited
*manually (via terminal) updated network settings as per your posts: (sudo sysctl -w)

et.inet.tcp.sendspace=262144
net.inet.tcp.recvspace=262144
net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize=108040
kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=2097152
net.inet.tcp.newreno=1

NOTE: This was after i ran broadband optimizer and SEEMED to notice a speed increase on my broadband connections right away. I reported the fastest connections in my area via BroadbandReports.Com. I'll go back and check w/out the optimizer startup script after a restart and see what I get, but right now my BROADBAND is operating nearly at the max of my possible, so that's good.

I have used a Motorola v600 tethered to my PB 15" 1.5 ghz 768RAM w/ Cingular MediaNet now for over a year and it has proven indespensible. I recently upgraded my phone to an s710a, and have been in the process of reconfiguring for EDGE capability.

I have been able to connect successfully w/ the Sony Ericsson 3G CID1 & 2 scripts, but am only achieving down: 30ish kbps / up: 9 kbps. I am in Santa Barbara, CA (full bars at current location) and have been Speed Testing at BroadbandReports.Com off of the line link server based in Los Angeles @ 2am.

dn: 33k / up: 9k report is AFTER using the terminal "sudo sysctl -w" command to update all of the above stated network parameters. these speed reports are the same as when my network settings were "un-optimized".

1. Can you advise as to what might be the hangup. I'm fairly sure its not cell related as we have very current services in this area, and I have every reason to believe local towers support EDGE. By the looks of it, I'm only getting GPRS speeds.

2. Can you advise more clearly where this /etc directory is and (sorry i'm such a layman) explain just what i need to do to create a startup script to optimize net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize RWIN value? As stated earlier in the thread, RMAC is not compatible w/ tiger, and BroadBand Optimizer does not adjust the slowlink value.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT!

I'm not having any luck with edge either. I've tried it on one bar and 5 bar signal strenths, and nothing. Did the tweaks, still slower than what I'm getting with Sprint. I'm afraid I'm gonna have to return the S710 and cancel service, since this was the only reason I was going to switch.

f1000
Aug 16, 2005, 03:10 PM
I'm not having any luck with edge either. I've tried it on one bar and 5 bar signal strenths, and nothing. Did the tweaks, still slower than what I'm getting with Sprint. I'm afraid I'm gonna have to return the S710 and cancel service, since this was the only reason I was going to switch.
Did you try editing Ross Barkman's Sony-Ericsson modem scripts per my recent post? There's a flaw in his script that caps Bluetooth serial port transfers at 57600 bps. This flaw explains why only Sony-Ericsson users seem to be getting poor EDGE performance akin to GPRS. Motorolas and Nokias work fine, which isn't surprising since their respective Barkman scripts don't contain the aforementioned error.

crozlo
Aug 16, 2005, 08:24 PM
Did you try editing Ross Barkman's Sony-Ericsson modem scripts per my recent post? There's a flaw in his script that caps Bluetooth serial port transfers at 57600 bps. This flaw explains why only Sony-Ericsson users seem to be getting poor EDGE performance akin to GPRS. Motorolas and Nokias work fine, which isn't surprising since their respective Barkman scripts don't contain the aforementioned error.

Ok f1000, here goes...

I called Cingular 2nd tier and they were able to verify EDGE service availability in Santa Barbara, CA.

FYI s710 OWNERS:
There is a setting in the s710a under:
connect: data communication: preferred service:

which can be set to
1. EDGE and GSM
-or-
2. GSM only

obviously set it to option 1

Here goes:

Speed Tests: (speak-easy LA)

Un-Tweaked w/ Edited Sony Ericsson 3G CID1 script:

Modem Script Now Reads:

! ---- Modem setup ----
!
! Set serial port speed 460800, all interface signals off
!
serreset 460800, 0, 8, 1
hsreset 0 0 0 0 0 0
settries 0
!
!
@LABEL 2
!
! Check the phone is responding
!
matchclr

etc

Download Speed: 38 kbps (4.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 10 kbps (1.3 KB/sec transfer rate)

Tweaked network settings to:

net.inet.tcp.sendspace=262144
net.inet.tcp.recvspace=262144
net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize=108040
kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=2097152
net.inet.tcp.newreno=1


SPEED TEST:

Download Speed: 23 kbps (2.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 10 kbps (1.3 KB/sec transfer rate)



Re-tweaked to:

net.inet.tcp.newreno=1 ---> 0

SPEED TEST:

Download Speed: 37 kbps (4.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 10 kbps (1.3 KB/sec transfer rate)

!!!DARN!!!

I restarted (i have broadband optimizer installed) and re-tweaked ONLY:

net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize=108040
kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=2097152
net.inet.tcp.newreno=1

SPEED TEST:
Download Speed: 34 kbps (4.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 10 kbps (1.3 KB/sec transfer rate)

!!ARG!!

Then I switched my phone off and on and tried again. I have full bars plus full data network available icon.

Re-Tested:
Same thing 35/10

bummer:-(

The Dilemma Continues! This MUST be possible

f1000
Aug 16, 2005, 09:29 PM
bummer:-(

The Dilemma Continues! This MUST be possible
I'm still suspecting the modem script. Maybe something's wrong with the initialization string. I'll have to take a look at it this weekend.

crozlo
Aug 17, 2005, 06:05 AM
I'm still suspecting the modem script. Maybe something's wrong with the initialization string. I'll have to take a look at it this weekend.


Sorry this has been such a pain. I really appreciate your help...

f1000
Aug 17, 2005, 07:12 AM
Try replacing this line...
write "AT&FE0S0=0\13"

...with this line
write "AT&FV1E0S0=0&D2&C1;+CMEE=1\13"


I doubt that it'll improve your connect speeds, but it's worth a shot. If this doesn't work, I'll post a script this weekend that will allow us to better diagnose what ails your s710a.

crozlo
Aug 17, 2005, 04:51 PM
Try replacing this line...
write "AT&FE0S0=0\13"

...with this line
write "AT&FV1E0S0=0&D2&C1;+CMEE=1\13"


I doubt that it'll improve your connect speeds, but it's worth a shot. If this doesn't work, I'll post a script this weekend that will allow us to better diagnose what ails your s710a.


Developement:

Last night I traveled North to Avila Beach, CA. At 3am i connected w/ the doctored modem script and tweaked network settings from your very first post and achieved something in the neighborhood of 83dn/37up off of the SF, CA server.

This morning I added your newest modem script edit (above) and tried again and got:

SF server:
Download Speed: 70 kbps (8.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 41 kbps (5.1 KB/sec transfer rate)

(i noticed the transfer started slow, peaked out at approx. 115, and then fell back to 60/70ish)

LA server:
Download Speed: 66 kbps (8.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 40 kbps (5 KB/sec transfer rate)

(peaked as high as 130, but only for a second or two, then fell to mid 50's)

So i'm certainly beating GPRS speeds now!! Probably at this point I just need to do a tweak test and optimize my settings accordingly? I don't know for sure though. Do you think I'm still not getting full bandwidth?

I'm really not sure what caused the change. I haven't changed anything since my most recent post... perhaps my serial connection is functioning properly now??

Looking forward to the diagnostic script you were going to post. I'm really curious as to what's going on here....

...mystery of the s710a...

crozlo
Aug 17, 2005, 05:06 PM
...and just now (2pm) from SLO, CA to SF, CA

Download Speed: 93 kbps (11.6 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 34 kbps (4.3 KB/sec transfer rate)


so i'm in the ballpark, right? how much more speed should i hope for??

rancidbry
Aug 18, 2005, 12:32 PM
This forum is a very helpful and informative collection of ideas!!

I am ready to start tweaking and enhance my S710a EDGE phone, however I simply can't connect my mac through bluetooth like a I used.
I was able to connect to AT&T's service with my T616 through bluetooth. Now I've switched to Cingular and subscribed to their unlimited MediaNet. When I try and connect using the S710a, everything goes through, but at the authentication stage it disconnects. I'M GOING CRAZY!http://forums.macnn.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2537694# I've spent days trying to debug this problem. Also, once I've attempted to connect I can no longer access MediaNet directly through the phone because it attempts to dial a roaming number instead. I have to reset the settings in order to access MediaNet directly through the S710a.
These are the Mac settings I'm using:

Login: WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM
Password: CINGULAR1
Telephone number: *99***2# ( I have also tried wap.cingular, *99***1#, *99#)
script: Sony Ericsson GPRS CID1

This is the best forum related to my problem I could find. ARE THERE ANY AMAZING SUGGESTIONS THAT COULD HELP ME CONNECT TO THE INTERNET USING MY 15' POWERBOOK AND S710A? I am going on a road trip across the country in a few days and this would be an extremely useful tool. Thanks very much.

~Bryan





I've cobbled together some instructions on tethering a Macintosh to a Cingular Motorola V551 EDGE phone via Bluetooth®.



Add MEdia Net Unlimited to your account for $19.99/month (price as of 6/1/05).
 
Download the appropriate 3G modem scripts from http://www.taniwha.org.uk/ and install them into your /Library/Modem Scripts folder. Do not download the GPRS scripts as you will not achieve EDGE speeds with them.
 
On the phone go to: Menu->Settings->Connection->Bluetooth->Setup->Bluetooth: On and Menu->Settings->Connection->Bluetooth->Setup->Find Me. This will allow your Mac to find your phone via Bluetooth.
 
Go up to the Bluetooth menu and pair the phone with your Mac. Pair the phone to use as a modem for GPRS data. On the next screen in the setup assistant enter the following data in:

Service Provider: Cingular (optional)
Account Name: WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM
Password: CINGULAR1
Telephone Number: wap.cingular

Open up Network in System Preferences.
Click the TCP/IP tab
DNS Servers:
Leave empty!
Select Using PPP in the "Configure IPv4" drop down menu.
Select Off in the "Configure IPv6" drop down menu.
Click the PPP tab
Click PPP Options...
Ensure that the following boxes are unchecked:
Send PPP echo packets.
Use TCP header compression.
Connect using a terminal window (command line).
Click the Bluetooth Modem tab:
Select the appropriate modem script in the "Modem" drop-down menu.
Uncheck Enable error correction and compression in modem.
Uncheck Wait for dial tone before dialing.

Add the following startup script using RMAC (http://homepage.mac.com/tmpchaos/.Public/Tweaker.tgz). Read through the thread for more details.
#!/bin/sh
#RMAC Startup Script

SYSCTL="/usr/sbin/sysctl -nw"
IFCONFIG="/sbin/ifconfig"

. /etc/rc.common

ConsoleMessage "Set Network Param"

$SYSCTL "net.inet.tcp.sendspace=262144"
$SYSCTL "net.inet.tcp.recvspace=262144"
$SYSCTL "net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize=108040"
$SYSCTL "kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=2097152"
$SYSCTL "net.inet.tcp.newreno=1"

sleep 3



Sources:

http://www.rtgrimesconsulting.com/page2/page4/page4.html
http://www.howardforums.com
http://forums.cingular.com/cng/board?board.id=EDGE

PowerBook, iBook, PowerMac, iMac, eMac, gsm

toneloco28
Aug 18, 2005, 01:27 PM
WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM[/email]
Password: CINGULAR1
Telephone number: *99***2# ( I have also tried wap.cingular, *99***1#, *99#)
script: Sony Ericsson GPRS CID1

This is the best forum related to my problem I could find. ARE THERE ANY AMAZING SUGGESTIONS THAT COULD HELP ME CONNECT TO THE INTERNET USING MY 15' POWERBOOK AND S710A? I am going on a road trip across the country in a few days and this would be an extremely useful tool. Thanks very much.

~Bryan
Just wanted to chime in here and say that I have succesfully used my previous iBook, and now 15' powerbook with my s710a with edge speeds consistently. My settings are identical to yours except I leave the "telephone number" blank. Also, do you have the Sony "3G" script or just the regular GPRS one? That may be the source of your problem, but i'll be the first to admit, this area is not my specialty, as it's always just worked for me.

From my experiences using the Sony 3G CID1 script , it must dial the access number on it's own so I've never had to use a supplementary number. Depending upon network load I average anywhere between 100-180kbps. Im in the Charlotte, NC area.

rancidbry
Aug 18, 2005, 02:02 PM
This forum is a very helpful and informative collection of ideas!!

I am ready to start tweaking and enhance my S710a EDGE phone, however I simply can't connect my mac through bluetooth like a I used.
I was able to connect to AT&T's service with my T616 through bluetooth. Now I've switched to Cingular and subscribed to their unlimited MediaNet. When I try and connect using the S710a, everything goes through, but at the authentication stage it disconnects. I'M GOING CRAZY!http://forums.macnn.com/newreply.ph...eply&p=2537694# I've spent days trying to debug this problem. Also, once I've attempted to connect I can no longer access MediaNet directly through the phone because it attempts to dial a roaming number instead. I have to reset the settings in order to access MediaNet directly through the S710a.
These are the Mac settings I'm using:

Login: WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM
Password: CINGULAR1
Telephone number: *99***2# ( I have also tried wap.cingular, *99***1#, *99#)
script: Sony Ericsson GPRS CID1

This is the best forum related to my problem I could find. ARE THERE ANY AMAZING SUGGESTIONS THAT COULD HELP ME CONNECT TO THE INTERNET USING MY 15' POWERBOOK AND S710A? I am going on a road trip across the country in a few days and this would be an extremely useful tool. Thanks very much.

~Bryan


With the RCMAC script removed, Tiger's net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize: 8192 . But here's the confusing part for me: with the script running with the identical settings as are in #6 of your first post, when I run the tweak tester test, it says my tweakable settings (in the top left green box) Receive Window (RWIN) is 263536 . Now that is not very close to the slowlink_wsize setting, but it is very close to your recvspace setting. Could it be that the RWIN is not slowlink_wsize? I really don't know what I'm talking about, but it seemed a bit odd.

I am definitely not a "terminal" kind of guy (I'm willing to learn), but to modify and move around the RMAC script in the GUI, you have to give yourself permissions for both /library/statupitems/ and /library/statupitems/RMAC . Then, you have to restart once, where the OS will freak out that the permission were changed, tell the OS to fix the permissions, and restart again. It's a little bit of a pain.

In my excitement, I realize I didn't relay all the important information in my last post. apologies. I promise to be more scientific from now on.
I have a Powerbook G4 with OS 10.4.1
moto v551 connected over bluetooth with full bars of service and cingular service
All the TCP/IP and PPP settings are per your first post.
The speed tests were done in Los Angeles, to the Los Angeles broadbandreports.com speed test server. and they were reported in kilobits per second.

So, how should I go about tweaking? I used the RWIN calculator (and did my own calculations based on the broadband reports FAQ) and found my optimal RWIN to be 37960. But I'm not really sure what I should be putting as my optimal speed setting. Why is your RWIN much larger?

Also, what kind of speeds should I expect to be getting? Am I doing okay at around 80kbbs down and 30 kbbs up? I was hoping (or dreaming) for double that.

Well, this has been super informative and I sure have learned a lot in the last two days. One lesson I learned the hard way was to sign up for MediaNet Unlimited right away. After just doing my tests yesterday, I already charged 40 bucks in transfer. Ouch.

joren
___________
Edit:
So, after I put the script back in /library/StartupItems/ and rebooted, I entered "sysctl -a" in Terminal and I got the exact same reading for net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize: 8192 . So now I'm at a loss. The script must not be working. Could you suggest another way (or point me to the correct instruction) on how to change these values. I really know nothing about terminal and Unix, but I follow instructions really well.

iomatic
Aug 18, 2005, 06:04 PM
Works for me. (Hopefully it's a Mac issue.) Make sure the Bluetooth port is dragged up in order under System Prefs --> Network --> Show: --> Network Port Config.

http://discuss.treocentral.com/showthread.php?t=91669

crozlo
Aug 19, 2005, 04:57 AM
This forum is a very helpful and informative collection of ideas!!

These are the Mac settings I'm using:

Login: WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM
Password: CINGULAR1
Telephone number: *99***2# ( I have also tried wap.cingular, *99***1#, *99#)
script: Sony Ericsson GPRS CID1




Bryan,

You're network settings are incorrect. Use these:

Service Provider: Cingular (optional)
Account Name: WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM
Password: CINGULAR1
Telephone Number: wap.cingular

Do not enter *99 or any other such combination in "telephone number". Just 'wap.cingular'.

Try that first.

crozlo
Aug 19, 2005, 05:02 AM
This forum is a very helpful and informative collection of ideas!!

These are the Mac settings I'm using:

Login: WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM
Password: CINGULAR1
Telephone number: *99***2# ( I have also tried wap.cingular, *99***1#, *99#)
script: Sony Ericsson GPRS CID1


~Bryan


Sorry. Your modem script is also incorrect. You're using a GPRS script. You need a 3G script from here:
http://www.taniwha.org.uk/files/Son...n3G-2005-01.sit

sometimes that link downloaded empty folders for me. Try again at another time if that happens to you. I think his server is a little inconsistent from time to time. Then you'll need to read through the thread to find the edits "f1000" has posted to amend the script. It seems it closes down your bluetooth serial speeds on accident, and you need to change some code in the script to stop that from happening. Read through the thread and you'll see what to do. If the telephone number and script changes don't fix your problem, post again and we'll see what we can do.

rancidbry
Aug 19, 2005, 11:13 AM
I've tried that and everything else. It connects, but right when it trys to authenticate, it disconnects. Very very frustrating. I've been working on it for days... running out of possibilities. Any suggestion helps.
~Bryan


Bryan,

You're network settings are incorrect. Use these:

Service Provider: Cingular (optional)
Account Name: WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM
Password: CINGULAR1
Telephone Number: wap.cingular

Do not enter *99 or any other such combination in "telephone number". Just 'wap.cingular'.

Try that first.

iomatic
Aug 19, 2005, 02:17 PM
I saw the exact same thing with my Treo, but, using those settings, I changed the phone number back and forth, and I read you should move the port config up in order (shouldn't matter). Also, you have to turn on 'Dial-up Networking'. Don't know if there is that option for the Sony Ericsson. Oh yes, I turned off Airport to be certain. Connected right now.

2005-08-19 14:14:55 EST: 87 / 35
Your download speed : 89455 bps, or 87 kbps.
A 10.9 KB/sec transfer rate.
Your upload speed : 36761 bps, or 35 kbps.

Not bad today; I've seen better.

f1000
Aug 19, 2005, 11:08 PM
Developement:

Last night I traveled North to Avila Beach, CA. At 3am i connected w/ the doctored modem script and tweaked network settings from your very first post and achieved something in the neighborhood of 83dn/37up off of the SF, CA server.
How many days has it been since you first started trying to get EDGE speeds using your s710a before you got this result? I'm trying to figure out whether this improvement was due to my script changes or to network repairs.

f1000
Aug 19, 2005, 11:33 PM
Crozio, rancidbry, et al.:

Make a duplicate of the "Sony Ericsson 3G CID1" modem script and replace its contents with that from the script below. Replace the original script with this new modem script in your Modem Scripts folder.

Run Console from your Applications/Utilities folder and click on the "Logs" button in the Toolbar. Click on /var/log -> ppp -> ppp.log, and then click on the "Clear" button in the Toolbar.

Initiate a connection using your s710a EDGE phone and run a Speakeasy (http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/) test from the server that is closest to you. Write down the results.

End the connection. Post the results of your Speakeasy speed test followed by your log from the Console here.


Modified Sony Ericsson 3G CID1 Script

! Sony Ericsson 3G
!
! Author: Ross Barkman
!
! History:
! 18 Sep 01 First release
! 20 Nov 01 Change response parsing
! 07 Mar 02 Switch to Context ID 2
! 15 Mar 02 Fix init string error
! 21 Mar 02 Re-create Context ID 1 version (some networks reject CID2)
! 24 Dec 02 Change dialstring from *99# to *99***1#
! 04 Jan 04 Add APN check, retry initial AT, serial speed setting
! 09 May 04 Increase serial speed for EDGE/UMTS
!
! 'mlts' resource info:
! byte 1 == 01 -> modem HAS built-in error correction protocols
! byte 2 == 01 -> modem HAS built-in data compression protocols
! byte 3 == 200 -> max number of chars in varstr 7
! byte 4 == 200 -> max number of chars in varstr 8
! byte 5 == 200 -> max number of chars in varstr 9
!
@ORIGINATE
@ANSWER
!
note "Sony Ericsson 3G CID1" 1
!
! Check APN
!
! Common mistake: using *99 instead of APN
!
ifstr 1 110 "*99#"
ifstr 1 110 "*99***1#"
ifstr 1 110 "*99***2#"
ifstr 1 110 "*99***3#"
ifstr 1 110 "*99***4#"
ifstr 1 110 "*99***5#"
ifstr 1 110 "*99***6#"
ifstr 1 110 "*99***10#"
!
! ---- Modem setup ----
!
!
serreset 460800, 0, 8, 1
hsreset 0 0 0 0 0 0
settries 0
!
!
@LABEL 2
note "Checking if the phone is responding" 3
!
! Check the phone is responding
!
matchclr
matchstr 1 3 "OK\13\10"
write "AT\13"
matchread 30
inctries
iftries 3 101
jsr 9
jump 2
!
!
@LABEL 3
note "Checking if the phone is a Sony Ericsson" 3
!
! Check the phone is a (Sony) Ericsson
!
matchclr
matchstr 1 4 "Ericsson"
matchstr 2 4 "ERICSSON"
matchstr 3 4 "Sony Ericsson"
matchstr 4 4 "SONY ERICSSON"
write "AT+CGMI\13"
matchread 60
jump 109
!
!
@LABEL 4
note "Configuring the phone" 3
!
! Configure the phone
!
matchclr
matchstr 1 5 "OK\13\10"
matchstr 2 101 "ERROR\13\10"
write "AT&FV1E0S0=0&D2&C1;+CMEE=1\13"
! write "AT&FE0S0=0\13" (* Original init string *)
matchread 30
inctries
iftries 3 101
jsr 9
jump 4
!
!
@LABEL 5
settries 0
!
!
@LABEL 6
note "Setting additional options" 3
!
! Set additional options
!
matchclr
matchstr 1 10 "OK\13\10"
matchstr 2 108 "ERROR\13\10"
!
! Check Access Point Name stored in dialstring (VarString 1)
! If APN is set to None, ignore it
!
ifstr 1 7 "None"
ifstr 1 7 "none"
ifstr 1 7 "NONE"
!
! Set APN using +CGDCONT=1,"IP","<APN>"
!
write "AT+CGDCONT=1,\34IP\34,\34^1\34\13"
jump 8
!
!
@LABEL 7
note "No APN found" 3
!
! No APN
!
write "AT\13"
!
!
@LABEL 8
matchread 60
inctries
iftries 3 101
jump 6
!
!
@LABEL 9
note "Attempting to reset the phone" 3
!
! Attempt to reset the phone
!
DTRClear
pause 5
DTRSet
flush
return
!
!
@LABEL 10
note "Setup completed" 3
!
! Setup complete
!
ifANSWER 32
!
!
! ---- Place a call ----
!
@LABEL 20
!
!
flush
note "Making network connection" 3
write "ATD*99***1#\13"
!
!
! ---- Connect response ----
!
! Parses successful connect responses in the following format:
! CARRIER
! PROTOCOL: ppp
! COMPRESSION: ccc
! CONNECT zzzzz
!
@LABEL 32
matchclr
matchstr 1 81 "RING\13\10"
matchstr 2 102 "NO DIALTONE\13\10"
matchstr 3 103 "NO CARRIER"
matchstr 4 103 "ERROR\13\10"
matchstr 5 104 "BUSY\13\10"
matchstr 6 105 "NO ANSWER\13\10"
matchstr 7 33 "CARRIER"
matchstr 8 34 "CONNECT"
matchstr 9 61 "PROTOCOL"
matchstr 10 66 "COMPRESSION"
matchread 700
ifANSWER 32
jump 105
!
! CARRIER parsing
!
@LABEL 33
note "CARRIER parsing" 3
!
jump 32
!
! CONNECT parsing
!
@LABEL 34
note "CONNECT parsing" 3
!
! 2400 and 4800 have three entries each
! to distinguish them from 24000 and 48000
!
matchclr
matchstr 1 40 "2400\13"
matchstr 2 40 "2400/"
matchstr 3 40 "2400 "
matchstr 4 41 "4800\13"
matchstr 5 41 "4800/"
matchstr 6 41 "4800 "
matchstr 7 42 "7200"
matchstr 8 43 "9600"
matchstr 9 44 "12000"
matchstr 10 45 "14400"
matchstr 11 46 "19200"
matchstr 12 51 "28800"
matchstr 13 52 "38400"
matchstr 14 53 "57600"
matchstr 15 54 "64000"
matchstr 15 55 "115200"
matchstr 16 55 "115,200"
matchstr 17 56 "230400"
matchstr 17 57 "460800"
matchread 10
jump 59
!
! -- Connection rates --
!
! CommunicatingAt informs ARA of the link speed
!
@LABEL 40
note "Communicating at 2400 bps." 3
CommunicatingAt 2400
jump 60
!
@LABEL 41
note "Communicating at 4800 bps." 3
CommunicatingAt 4800
jump 60
!
@LABEL 42
note "Communicating at 7200 bps." 3
CommunicatingAt 7200
jump 60
!
@LABEL 43
note "Communicating at 9600 bps." 3
CommunicatingAt 9600
jump 60
!
@LABEL 44
note "Communicating at 12400 bps." 3
CommunicatingAt 12400
jump 60
!
@LABEL 45
note "Communicating at 14400 bps." 3
CommunicatingAt 14400
jump 60
!
@LABEL 46
note "Communicating at 19200 bps." 3
CommunicatingAt 19200
jump 60
!
@LABEL 51
note "Communicating at 28800 bps." 3
CommunicatingAt 28800
jump 60
!
@LABEL 52
note "Communicating at 38400 bps." 3
CommunicatingAt 38400
jump 60
!
@LABEL 53
note "Communicating at 57600 bps." 3
CommunicatingAt 57600
jump 60
!
@LABEL 54
note "Communicating at 64000 bps." 3
CommunicatingAt 64000
jump 60
!
@LABEL 55
note "Communicating at 115200 bps." 3
CommunicatingAt 115200
jump 60
!
@LABEL 56
note "Communicating at 230400 bps." 3
CommunicatingAt 230400
jump 60
!
@LABEL 57
note "Communicating at 460800 bps." 3
CommunicatingAt 460800
jump 60
!
@LABEL 59
note "Communicating at a variable rate." 3
!
@LABEL 60
!
! Check for protocol and compression reports
! following the CONNECT message.
!
matchclr
matchstr 1 63 "LAPM"
matchstr 2 63 "REL"
matchstr 3 63 "ARQ"
matchstr 4 68 "COMP/"
matchstr 5 68 "COMP\13"
matchstr 6 63 "V42/"
matchstr 7 63 "V42\13"
matchstr 8 68 "V42BIS"
matchstr 9 68 "V42bis"
matchstr 10 63 "MNP\13"
matchstr 11 68 "MNP5"
matchstr 12 70 "\10"
matchread 30
jump 70
!
! -- PROTOCOL parsing --
!
! Userhook 2 informs ARA that a modem-to-modem error
! correcting protocol has been negotiated
!
@LABEL 61
matchclr
matchstr 1 32 "NONE"
matchstr 2 62 "LAP"
matchstr 3 62 "MNP"
matchstr 4 62 "ALT"
matchstr 5 32 "\13"
matchread 10
jump 63
!
@LABEL 62
jsr 64
jump 32
!
@LABEL 63
jsr 64
jump 60
!
@LABEL 64
note "Modem Reliable Link Established." 3
userhook 2
return
!
! -- COMPRESSION parsing --
!
! Userhook 3 informs ARA that a modem-to-modem compression
! protocol has been negotiated
!
@LABEL 66
matchclr
matchstr 1 32 "NONE"
matchstr 2 67 "V"
matchstr 3 67 "MNP5"
matchstr 4 67 "CLASS"
matchstr 5 32 "\13"
matchread 10
jump 68
!
@LABEL 67
jsr 69
jump 32
!
@LABEL 68
jsr 69
jump 60
!
@LABEL 69
note "Modem Compression Established." 3
userhook 3
return
!
!
! -- Normal exit after "CONNECT" --
!
!
@LABEL 70
!
! Turn CTS on, for hardware flow control
!
note "Hardware flow control on" 3
HSReset 0 1 0 0 0 0
!
ifANSWER 71
pause 5
!
@LABEL 71
note "End Script" 3
exit 0
!
!
! ---- Answer calls ----
!
! A RING result from the modem and in ANSWERING mode
! claims the serial port and answering the phone
!
@LABEL 81
ifORIGINATE 32
userhook 1
note "Answering phone..." 3
write "ATA\13"
jump 32
!
!
! ---- Hang up and reset modem ----
!
@HANGUP
@LABEL 90
note "Hanging up and resetting the modem" 3
settries 0
HSReset 0 0 0 0 0 0
!
@LABEL 92
!
! Escape from data to command mode
!
note "Escaping from data to command mode" 3
matchclr
matchstr 1 94 "OK\13\10"
pause 11
write "+++"
matchread 20
!
@LABEL 94
!
! Send hangup command
!
note "Sending hangup command" 3
pause 10
matchclr
matchstr 1 98 "NO CARRIER\13\10"
matchstr 2 98 "OK\13\10"
matchstr 3 98 "ERROR\13\10"
matchstr 4 98 "0\13\10"
write "ATH0\13"
matchread 30
!
! If that fails, toggle DTR
!
note "Toggling DTR" 3
DTRClear
pause 5
DTRSet
flush
!
! Try this three times only
!
inctries
iftries 3 101
jump 92
!
!
@LABEL 98
!
! Reset phone to default settings
!
note "Resetting phone to default settings" 3
pause 10
matchclr
matchstr 1 99 "OK\13\10"
write "AT&F\13"
matchread 30
jump 101
!
@LABEL 99
note "End Script" 3
exit 0
!
! ---- Error messages -----
!
! Modem Not Responding
@LABEL 101
note "Modem not responding" 3
exit -6019
!
! No Dial Tone
@LABEL 102
note "No Dial Tone" 3
exit -6020
!
! No Carrier or Error
@LABEL 103
note "No Carrier or Error" 3
exit -6021
!
! Busy
@LABEL 104
note "Busy" 3
exit -6022
!
! No Answer
@LABEL 105
note "No Answer" 3
exit -6023
!
! User Cancellation
@LABEL 107
note "User Concellation" 3
exit -6008
!
@LABEL 108
note "The phone or network does not seem to support the GPR/UMTSS options required for this script" 3
exit -6002 "The phone or network does not seem to support the GPR/UMTSS options required for this script"
!
@LABEL 109
note "This script is only suitable for Ericsson mobile phones" 3
exit -6002 "This script is only suitable for Ericsson mobile phones"
!
@LABEL 110
note "DO NOT put *99... in the telephone number - use the Access Point Name (APN) for your network instead" 3
exit -6002 "DO NOT put *99... in the telephone number - use the Access Point Name (APN) for your network instead"

Jupeman
Aug 20, 2005, 02:23 PM
So, I've followed the above directions. I signed up for MediaNet Unlimited, I've paired my Razr, I've chosen a Motorola script, but my Mac (Powerbook 15") doesn't seem to connect. It almost appears as if the Mac does not initiate a successful bluetooth connection with the phone. This despite a successful pairing. Even when I force a pairing (by selecting "browse device") nothing happens when I try to connect via the "Bluetooth Modem".

I'm about to go on a long trip and would love the connectivity. Am I missing something simple? Most of this discussion is about optimizing performance, I just want to connect at this point!

iomatic
Aug 20, 2005, 03:40 PM
Is there a menu item in the Razr to enable DUN (Dial-Up Networking), as in the Treo? The PowerBook will exhibit the exact same symptoms if this is not enabled with a Treo. Also, in Network Preferences, try only enabling Bluetooth Modem (no Airport, etc.)

HTH.

f1000
Aug 20, 2005, 04:06 PM
So, I've followed the above directions. I signed up for MediaNet Unlimited, I've paired my Razr, I've chosen a Motorola script, but my Mac (Powerbook 15") doesn't seem to connect.
As I mentioned in this thread, the RAZR isn't an EDGE phone. As such, if you try to use a 3G script you probably won't connect. Replace the 3G script with a GPRS one and see what happens.

crozlo
Aug 20, 2005, 05:05 PM
How many days has it been since you first started trying to get EDGE speeds using your s710a before you got this result? I'm trying to figure out whether this improvement was due to my script changes or to network repairs.


F1000,

It had been about 10 days of trying before any success. It could have quite possibly been a complete cooincidence that the day after I updated my modem scripts the network was repaired.

I have no way of knowing.

f1000
Aug 20, 2005, 05:30 PM
F1000,

It had been about 10 days of trying before any success. It could have quite possibly been a complete cooincidence that the day after I updated my modem scripts the network was repaired.

I have no way of knowing.
Try swapping out the new modem script and replacing it with Barkman's original one, and then see if your connect speeds remain high.

I'd also like for you to run my diagnostic modem script. You should be getting over 190 kbps on average and I'd like to see if there are any other bottlenecks involved.

crozlo
Aug 20, 2005, 05:56 PM
Try swapping out the new modem script and replacing it with Barkman's original one, and then see if your connect speeds remain high.

I'd also like for you to run my diagnostic modem script. You should be getting over 190 kbps on average and I'd like to see if there are any other bottlenecks involved.


F1000,

Well NOW i'm beginning to suspect the network. BACK IN SANTA BARBARA NOW... and (although I have full bars and full data network coverage at my current location) here's my results.

I restarted. Replaced Barkman's script with the one you posted above. De-selected and re-selected it in "Network Preferences--->Bluetooth Modem". Re-Tweaked Network Settings with original figures (net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize=108040, etc...) using 'sudo' commands. Double-checked to make sure the tweaks were correctly inputted using 'sysctl -a', etc...

And here's what I got from the LA SpeakEasy server:

Download Speed: 30 kbps (3.8 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 10 kbps (1.3 KB/sec transfer rate)

And here's the console connect log:

===== Saturday, August 20, 2005 2:20:16 PM America/Los_Angeles =====
Sat Aug 20 14:20:27 2005 : Sony Ericsson 3G CID1
Sat Aug 20 14:20:27 2005 : Checking if the phone is responding
Sat Aug 20 14:20:27 2005 : Checking if the phone is a Sony Ericsson
Sat Aug 20 14:20:27 2005 : Configuring the phone
Sat Aug 20 14:20:27 2005 : Setting additional options
Sat Aug 20 14:20:27 2005 : Setup completed
Sat Aug 20 14:20:27 2005 : Making network connection
Sat Aug 20 14:20:28 2005 : CONNECT parsing
Sat Aug 20 14:20:29 2005 : Communicating at a variable rate.
Sat Aug 20 14:20:32 2005 : Hardware flow control on
Sat Aug 20 14:20:33 2005 : End Script
Sat Aug 20 14:20:33 2005 : Serial connection established.
Sat Aug 20 14:20:33 2005 : Using interface ppp0
Sat Aug 20 14:20:33 2005 : Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/cu.Bluetooth-Modem
Sat Aug 20 14:20:35 2005 : CHAP authentication succeeded: Congratulations!
Sat Aug 20 14:20:36 2005 : local IP address 10.197.144.112
Sat Aug 20 14:20:36 2005 : remote IP address 66.102.185.196
Sat Aug 20 14:20:36 2005 : primary DNS address 66.102.163.231
Sat Aug 20 14:20:36 2005 : secondary DNS address 66.102.163.232


Gosh!(*&^ This is aggravating...


I recently obtained the direct number to Cingular's Data Group:

866-490-2666

I'm going to call them now and inquire as to the state of the network. I'll post my findings...

f1000
Aug 20, 2005, 06:19 PM
It looks like your phone is connecting just fine. The problem seems to be on CIngular's side.

I'd hold off on tweaking your phone until the EDGE network comes back up. Replace the diagnostic modem script with the previous one (with my edits) and then tweak as soon as you can find a cell tower that works.

I'd really like to hear that you're getting 190+ kbps data rates since I'm considering getting the new SE W600i Class 10 EDGE phone.

crozlo
Aug 20, 2005, 06:29 PM
Again, direct line to Cingular Data Group is:

866-490-2666

Don't bother calling these guys to figure out how to accomplish the task addressed in this thread. They openly admit that they are not trained in supporting bluetooth tethers of this kind, and that technically its not even supposed to work, let alone is officially supported. But I spoke candidly with the technician about my dillemma and he knew what I was talking about and said from his perspective that I was doing better than 99% of the folks he'd ever dared to trouble-shoot this problem with.

The most helpful information he was able to share was that customers routinely report slower data rates in California. He said he gets a lot of calls from people who were getting quick speeds in other states, but upon entering California noticed their network performance take a dive. He suggested a multitude of factors that could affect this from towers-per-capita to general congestion to overpopulation near city centers to atomospheric conditions, but admitted that he really couldn't say for sure what would be causing my slow data rates.

He WAS able to clarify that anywhere I get a GPRS signal these days, EDGE is available. And since the network is (technically) standardized NATION-WIDE, this would apply to anywhere in the U.S. I might travel.

So now, I suppose, I need to take a drive to Los Angeles at 3am to see if there's any truth to this. I'll be very curious to see if my settings are already correct, and all this has just been a network fritz. AARRG!


F1000,

I forgot to post the rest of my console ppp connect log after I told the modem to disconnect.

Sat Aug 20 14:56:14 2005 : Hangup (SIGHUP)
Sat Aug 20 14:56:14 2005 : Connection terminated.
Sat Aug 20 14:56:14 2005 : Connect time 35.7 minutes.
Sat Aug 20 14:56:14 2005 : Sent 356054 bytes, received 1286016 bytes.
Sat Aug 20 14:56:15 2005 : Hanging up and resetting the modem
Sat Aug 20 14:56:15 2005 : Escaping from data to command mode
Sat Aug 20 14:56:18 2005 : Sending hangup command
Sat Aug 20 14:56:19 2005 : Resetting phone to default settings
Sat Aug 20 14:56:20 2005 : End Script
Sat Aug 20 14:56:20 2005 : Serial link disconnected.


...WHERE TO GO FROM HERE?.......

crozlo
Aug 20, 2005, 06:34 PM
It looks like your phone is connecting just fine. The problem seems to be on CIngular's side.

I'd hold off on tweaking your phone until the EDGE network comes back up. Replace the diagnostic modem script with the previous one (with my edits) and then tweak as soon as you can find a cell tower that works.

I'd really like to hear that you're getting 190+ kbps data rates since I'm considering getting the new SE W600i Class 10 EDGE phone.


Well, I'm glad to hear you've got something invested in seeing this problem resolved. I know its been a long-winded pain and I REALLY appreciate your help. I'd be glad to see it provide you with relevent information as well. I've learned quite a bit in this process...

So right now I'll just replace the diagnostic script w/ the (edited) Barkman 3G script and wait until a day / location where I start to see EDGE speeds.

Until then, are these still the optimal system network settings?:

net.inet.tcp.sendspace=262144
net.inet.tcp.recvspace=262144
net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize=108040
kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=2097152
net.inet.tcp.newreno=1


thanks, F1000...

f1000
Aug 20, 2005, 06:50 PM
Until then, are these still the optimal system network settings?:

net.inet.tcp.sendspace=262144
net.inet.tcp.recvspace=262144
net.inet.tcp.slowlink_wsize=108040
kern.ipc.maxsockbuf=2097152
net.inet.tcp.newreno=1
Those will do for now. My guess is that your slowlink size will be higher than 108040 due to your faster theoretical connect speeds, but we can figure that out later.

There's also a chance that your phone is kaput. You might want to see if you can exchange it for another one. I'd refrain from mentioning tethering to Cingular, though.

rancidbry
Aug 20, 2005, 08:18 PM
That was the most creative advice I've heard yet... and I've heard a lot. I tried changing the Serial Port number in the bluetooth system preferences, however I still get the same result... hang up on authentication. I also tried changing the port type from "RS-232" to "Modem." Also no result. I'm going to go to the apple store and ask a the Genius Bar. Lets see how genius they really are. I'm almost completely out of options...
~Bryan

crozlo
Aug 20, 2005, 10:37 PM
Those will do for now. My guess is that your slowlink size will be higher than 108040 due to your faster theoretical connect speeds, but we can figure that out later.

There's also a chance that your phone is kaput. You might want to see if you can exchange it for another one. I'd refrain from mentioning tethering to Cingular, though.


Do you think there's any way to test the phone??

f1000
Aug 21, 2005, 12:14 AM
Do you think there's any way to test the phone??
I don't know. :(

Jupeman
Aug 21, 2005, 12:47 PM
As I mentioned in this thread, the RAZR isn't an EDGE phone. As such, if you try to use a 3G script you probably won't connect. Replace the 3G script with a GPRS one and see what happens.

Understood, I'm using a GPRS script and no luck.

There does not appear to be a DUN option on the phone, but perhaps I don't know where to look.

f1000
Aug 21, 2005, 02:54 PM
Understood, I'm using a GPRS script and no luck.

There does not appear to be a DUN option on the phone, but perhaps I don't know where to look.
Can you post a copy of your PPP log from Console?

Jupeman
Aug 21, 2005, 04:16 PM
Can you post a copy of your PPP log from Console?

Not much:
"Aug 21 16:09:44 Powerbook ppd[838]: Connect script failed"

Should the Pbook automatically connect with the phone or to I have to establish a new connection each time (e.g., browse the device). I never see the Powerbook and Phone connect via Bluetooth when attempting to connect. Any ideas? Thanks in advance for your help.

f1000
Aug 21, 2005, 04:27 PM
Not much:
"Aug 21 16:09:44 Powerbook ppd[838]: Connect script failed"

Should the Pbook automatically connect with the phone or to I have to establish a new connection each time (e.g., browse the device). I never see the Powerbook and Phone connect via Bluetooth when attempting to connect. Any ideas? Thanks in advance for your help.
Does the phone even light up when you initiate a connection? My phone "wakes up" as soon as it receives a dial-up command.

You can set your computer to automatically connect to the Internet whenever a connection is needed. I find the feature annoying, though, and prefer to connect manually.

Jupeman
Aug 21, 2005, 07:40 PM
Does the phone even light up when you initiate a connection? My phone "wakes up" as soon as it receives a dial-up command.

You can set your computer to automatically connect to the Internet whenever a connection is needed. I find the feature annoying, though, and prefer to connect manually.

No, the phone doesn't react at all. I have suspected this is not correct behavior! (Note that I have no problem sharing files, moving MP3s, pictures, etc., between my Mac(s) and the phone.)

I am fine with connecting manually - if it worked. :)

f1000
Aug 21, 2005, 08:10 PM
No, the phone doesn't react at all. I have suspected this is not correct behavior! (Note that I have no problem sharing files, moving MP3s, pictures, etc., between my Mac(s) and the phone.)

I am fine with connecting manually - if it worked. :)
It sounds like you need to pair your phone with your PowerBook first. System Preferences / Bluetooth / Devices / Set Up New Device.

You might also want to consider posting your questions concerning the RAZR in a the following thread: http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=255643&highlight=razr

Jupeman
Aug 21, 2005, 08:57 PM
It sounds like you need to pair your phone with your PowerBook first. System Preferences / Bluetooth / Devices / Set Up New Device.

You might also want to consider posting your questions concerning the RAZR in a the following thread: http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=255643&highlight=razr

I've paired the phone at least 50 times.

I've checked out that other thread, followed the very basic instructions and they don't work, either.

One strange thing is that I attempted to delete all my network settings and effectively start over. When I tried to do this the Bluetooth option appeared as a network configuration but it was greyed out and would not let me "Configure" it. Any idea why this would happen?

f1000
Aug 21, 2005, 09:11 PM
One strange thing is that I attempted to delete all my network settings and effectively start over. When I tried to do this the Bluetooth option appeared as a network configuration but it was greyed out and would not let me "Configure" it. Any idea why this would happen?
Try running Disk Utility and doing a Repair Permissions. Something's not right with your system.

crozlo
Aug 22, 2005, 02:59 AM
I've paired the phone at least 50 times.

I've checked out that other thread, followed the very basic instructions and they don't work, either.

One strange thing is that I attempted to delete all my network settings and effectively start over. When I tried to do this the Bluetooth option appeared as a network configuration but it was greyed out and would not let me "Configure" it. Any idea why this would happen?


DiskWarrior is also highly recommendable. You will need 3.0.3 if you're running Tiger, however.

Krusty
Aug 22, 2005, 06:54 AM
Do you think there's any way to test the phone??
Maybe not, but Cingular is a SIM card based service. You can certainly move your SIM card (and data account info) over to another phone and see if that works. If it does, then maybe your phone IS bad. Have a friend with a Cingular phone your can borrow ??

f1000
Aug 22, 2005, 09:08 AM
Maybe not, but Cingular is a SIM card based service. You can certainly move your SIM card (and data account info) over to another phone and see if that works. If it does, then maybe your phone IS bad. Have a friend with a Cingular phone your can borrow ??
Good point, Krusty. If you can't find a friend with a Cingular phone, crozlo, then take it to a retail store instead. I did this when I was trying to figure out why the EDGE symbol wasn't showing up on my V551, and the Cingular tech swapped my SIM card into a known working phone just as Krusty suggested.

rancidbry
Aug 22, 2005, 08:22 PM
I have done everything on this forum to try and connect. I have a mac powerbook G4 15" runnign Tiger. I'm tried using these settings
number: blank, *99***2#, wap.cingular
account name: WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM
password: CINGULAR1
script: Sony Ericsson 3G CID1

It connects fine, but as soon as it reaches the authentication stage the computer and phone dissconect. Any creative suggestions?


Hmmm ... maybe the bottleneck is the bandwidth available where you are. Being near the UT campus, I'd imagine a network that is reasonably congested with people accessing Cingular's data network. If you may, I'd suggest trying it at some really weird time of day (like 5:00 am or something) and see if it improves.

As for me, I let myself get suckered in to another (very expensive, data intensive) speed test and it bested my former number of 112k down (I got 122 this time) and this is with Class IV optimizations on my Class 10 device ... so I'm reasonably satisfied with what I'm getting. It's about 2.5x realistic dial-up speeds, so to me it seems well worth the extra $20 I'm gonna plop down for unlimited MEdiaNet (as soon as I get a laptop ... I've been testing with my eMac's internal BT thus far).

f1000
Aug 22, 2005, 09:34 PM
I have done everything on this forum to try and connect. I have a mac powerbook G4 15" runnign Tiger. I'm tried using these settings
number: blank, *99***2#, wap.cingular
account name: WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM
password: CINGULAR1
script: Sony Ericsson 3G CID1

It connects fine, but as soon as it reaches the authentication stage the computer and phone dissconect. Any creative suggestions?
Stick with wap.cingular for the number. You're just complicating matters by trying all those other numbers.

Make sure that ALL of your settings are as I stated in my first post. Make especially sure that "Enable error correction and compression in modem" is UNchecked (meaning NOT checked).

First, try using a different CID number. Try Sony Ericsson 3G CID2, CID3, etc.

If you still have problems, replace the modem script with the diagnostic script that I posted above and follow my instructions. Posting the PPP log here will provide me with more detailed information to diagnose your problem. Finally, try doing a hard reset of your phone.

rancidbry
Aug 22, 2005, 10:27 PM
all the settings are exactly as you first posted, plus I've tested tons of other combinations with no success. I have tried all the sony ericsson scripts also with no success.
Where is the diagnostic script? What is it called, I may already have it.
I looked up the ppp log in the console but it won't make new logs. here is an example of one of the times I tried to connect, but not a recent one for some reason:

Wed Aug 17 00:14:45 2005 : Sony Ericsson 3G CID1
Wed Aug 17 00:14:45 2005 : Making network connection
Wed Aug 17 00:14:50 2005 : Serial connection established.
Wed Aug 17 00:14:51 2005 : Using interface ppp0
Wed Aug 17 00:14:51 2005 : Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/cu.Bluetooth-Modem
Wed Aug 17 00:14:52 2005 : CHAP authentication succeeded: Congratulations!
Wed Aug 17 00:14:52 2005 : Hangup (SIGHUP)
Wed Aug 17 00:14:52 2005 : Modem hangup
Wed Aug 17 00:14:52 2005 : Connection terminated.
Wed Aug 17 00:16:05 2005 : Sony Ericsson 3G CID1
Wed Aug 17 00:16:05 2005 : Connect script failed

f1000
Aug 22, 2005, 10:45 PM
Where is the diagnostic script? What is it called, I may already have it.
Post #20 from the top. You have to copy-paste the script into a new file.

Krusty
Aug 23, 2005, 07:47 AM
...and on a side note ....
I just found that broadbandreports has a special speed tester just for mobile devices. Its small, clean, and gives latency times etc. ... sweet :thumbsup:

http://www.broadbandreports.com/mspeed

Krusty
Aug 24, 2005, 04:10 PM
WOW!!! We are having a major storm here right now. I just drove home through water above the door sills of my car :eek: . Power is out at my house too and apparently has been out for quite a while because the battery backup on my computer gear is dead too.

Guess this makes it the first time the laptop + cellphone data has REALLY come in handy. I emailed my roommate (still at work) and girlfriend and warned them off of trying to come here any time soon. Now, I'm (slowly) posting on MacNN. This ROCKS !!!

edit: power just came back on 4:09 PM

f1000
Aug 24, 2005, 04:31 PM
Guess this makes it the first time the laptop + cellphone data has REALLY come in handy. I emailed my roommate (still at work) and girlfriend and warned them off of trying to come here any time soon. Now, I'm (slowly) posting on MacNN. This ROCKS !!!

edit: power just came back on 4:09 PM
Bluetooth drains cell phone batteries quickly, so use it sparingly. Oh, and kudos to the power company for getting your power back up so quickly. :thumbsup:

Krusty
Aug 24, 2005, 07:35 PM
Bluetooth drains cell phone batteries quickly, so use it sparingly. Oh, and kudos to the power company for getting your power back up so quickly. :thumbsup:
Yes, I know about the BT, I actually use it fairly often and I typically only get a full day's use out of my phone when I use BT (vs 3 or so if I don't). The power was actually out for what I'm estimating to be over an hour (battery backup should have lasted about 40 min and I was home without power for a good 30 before I got around to posting on MacNN ... I was doing my emailings, etc for the first bit and actually took a phone call too before coming here). The power came on literally as I was hitting 'Post Quick Reply'.

On a side note, I was able to test my phone again yesterday in a part of town with solid full-bar reception on my phone. 127k was the absolute maximum I was able to get (it was solidly in the 115k - 125k range for most of the short tests I performed on the mspeed site I linked above). This is on a Class 10 EDGE device. Must just be the limits of the network in this area. Still, I'm happy with it ... its essentially 2-3x dial-up speeds anywhere for about the same as a "premium" dial-up account.

One final note, I DID buy the new laptop last week (stock iBook 12" which includes 512mb, BT 2.0, Airport Extreme, and a Core Graphics capable GPU). I was looking at a refurb 12" PB but the new iBook came with with all the wireless tech I wanted built-in, so I jumped on that during my state's Tax Free Weekend (still took Apple 10 days to get it shipped to me). I have a desktop, so I really wasn't looking for a powerhouse laptop .. just something very portable that i didn't have to BTO to get what I wanted for less than $1k. For the first time in my life, I really needed a laptop ... I'm a Property Manager (ex-Winblows programmer as of 2002) and due to my tech-oriented past have become the default go-to-guy for setting up our weekly vacation rental properties with high-speed wireless (as individual property owners decide to add it). The roughly 560 properties we manage are spread out across 2 islands with about 25 miles between the east edge of one island and the west edge of the other. Each time I go to set up a new router/modem combo, I have no clue what to expect as far as hardware type and brand that the individual owner purchased nor am I even guaranteed that the service is actually up and running at all until I get there. Basically, our owners buy cable or DSL at their discretion, get whatever modem the service provider is sending at the time and then buy whatever wireless router they feel like. The possible combinations of setups is virtually endless and requires tailoring the setup to whatever they have and *trying* to standardize the settings so that they will be easily supported in the future (so guests can just power-cycle and have everything working when it comes back up). Previously, I had difficulty scheduling the company laptop, had to provide my own wireless card and was sunk if I got to the property 15 miles from the office and found that it didn't work for some reason, requiring me to drive miles back to the office, seek out proper settings online for the specific hardware in the property, print out what I *hoped* was comprehensive instructions for getting the service/modem/router humming along nicely together, reschedule the laptop at a time I could get back in the property, etc. I wasted a heck of a lot of time (mostly on properties I don't even manage directly) for some pretty stupid reasons and the company laptop was a total piece o' shite Dell from the Win98 era that literally took 7-8 minutes to boot (into XP) and would randomly quit working properly for some reason requiring me to spend more time troubleshooting the machine than the wireless setup (or at the very least, a lengthy reboot cycle to get it working again). It was my own private little hell since this is something that normally takes me 5 or 10 minutes to do when I have decent equipment and the ability to research on-the-fly.

There ... I've vented about why this whole tethering + iBook thing is such a freakin' godsend for me :)

crozlo
Aug 25, 2005, 04:56 AM
Ok, This is officially frustrating...

I have not yet tried the "faulty phone" approach yet, but I'm back up in Avila Beach, CA, with full bars at 2am - a week later i might add to account for any network maintenance, etc.

...and I'm still getting:

Download Speed: 74 kbps (9.3 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 44 kbps (5.5 KB/sec transfer rate)

s710a (Class 10 EDGE)
PB G4 Al 15" 1.5 ghz

Everything works great, connects reliably, holds connection great. I'm just NOT getting EDGE speeds. I get MUCH slower speeds in Santa Barbara, CA - only GPRS fast - (which I can't explain because its actually a more populated and more sophisticated market) but up here near San Luis Obispo my speed tests are always the same:

the test starts slow, climbs quickly to about 130kbps and then sharply drops back to somewhere in the neighborhood of 75. My upload speed doesn't do this - it just slowly climbs to its final figure, always about 45kbps.

This is EXACTLY what it was doing last week up here - still the fastest speeds I've attained - but HARDLY Class 10 worthy.

I will go to a Cingular store next and see if my phone is phunky - which I suppose is the only next logical step at this point for me - but I had to get curious openly and see if anyone thinks I should try tweaking my settings while i'm up here in Avila getting faster connect speeds and see if that starts to give some results.

Thanks for the help, all. :brick: :brick: :brick: :brick:

rancidbry
Aug 25, 2005, 01:31 PM
I've had been trying to connect for about 2 weeks now. I've tried all the scripts and all the dialing combinations. My computer or cell phone consistently disconnects at the authentications stage. The most popular configuration is what I've been trying the most:

script: Sony Ericsson 3G CID5
Telephone Number: wap.cingular
Account Name: WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM
Password: CINGULAR1

I'm trying to connect through my S710a with my Powerbook G4 15" running Tiger. I used to connect through AT&T using my T616 no problem. For some reason the change in service and upgrade in phone caused some huge problems.
What do you think the authentication problem is? Did you get your configuration to work. If so, how? Thanks so much.

http://forums.macnn.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2662607#
http://forums.macnn.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2662607#
http://forums.macnn.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2662607#


Not much:
"Aug 21 16:09:44 Powerbook ppd[838]: Connect script failed"

Should the Pbook automatically connect with the phone or to I have to establish a new connection each time (e.g., browse the device). I never see the Powerbook and Phone connect via Bluetooth when attempting to connect. Any ideas? Thanks in advance for your help.

nationwide
Aug 28, 2005, 02:10 PM
i just want to back up the last reply, cingular doesn't offer a media package anymore with mms, text and media net. unless you are the ones like i am and i got the media package about 9 months ago that included unlimited media net, 1500 text msg and 250 mms(picture or video mgs). i was about to cancel the package i had until i started reading how you can use your phone as a wireless modem. right now i have a sony t616 but i plan on upgrading to a nokia 6682 or a 6230, my only problem is am trying to figure out which phone has better recieption and better download speeds. anyone with any info please feel to email me or send me a link to who has these download test. thanks

nationwide
Aug 28, 2005, 02:39 PM
Cingular's lineup of EDGE with Bluetooth® phones as of 6/20/2005: Palm Treo 650 (Class 10)
Motorola V551 (Class 4)
Sony Ericsson s710a (Class 10)
Nokia 6620 (Class ??)
Nokia 6230 (Class 10)


The Motorola RAZR V3 isn't one of them, although future RAZRs and SLVRs will be.

Here a question i got about the nokia 6230, PC Magazine did a test on the nokia 6230 and claimed they got an average 160kbps download. i was so impress with this i almost gave up waiting for the nokia 6682 to be released the first of September. But i called nokia and they told me that the 6230 is not a class 10 but in fact it was a class 6 edge and class 10 gprs. Now this confused me even more because as i'm sure you know the 6682 will be a class 10 phone but when PC Magazine tested it they got only about 120kbps average. What gives? Even though the 6682 isn't out yet, some people have been lucky to already have one as evident the phones are already on ebay.I know these test were done using a PC :thumbsdow but can anyone confirm or deny these reports. Feel free to email on this issue, thanks

nationwide
Aug 28, 2005, 02:59 PM
I did a quick walkthrough of the local Cingular store this afternoon. Since I want an EDGE compatible phone I've been thinking about that list f1000 posted.

Of the 5, I'll most likely go with the Sony Ericsson s710 unless someone can point out a better phone. Would love to hear if there's any real advantage for a Class 10 over Class 4 (Motorola V551) phone.

The things we do for SPEED. :D

I not sure how accurate this is but from what i have read from various sources, nokia phones have a better reception than most sony phones, especially the nokia 6230 which can pick up signal good in weak areas and is also suppose to have the fasted download speeds to date(PC Magazine). i've been trying to get another comfirmation of these test but have been unlucky in doing so. i'll keep reading and keep you posted if i find any

toneloco28
Aug 28, 2005, 03:11 PM
I've had been trying to connect for about 2 weeks now. I've tried all the scripts and all the dialing combinations. My computer or cell phone consistently disconnects at the authentications stage. The most popular configuration is what I've been trying the most:

script: Sony Ericsson 3G CID5
Telephone Number: wap.cingular
Account Name: WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM
Password: CINGULAR1

I'm trying to connect through my S710a with my Powerbook G4 15" running Tiger. I used to connect through AT&T using my T616 no problem. For some reason the change in service and upgrade in phone caused some huge problems.
What do you think the authentication problem is? Did you get your configuration to work. If so, how? Thanks so much.

http://forums.macnn.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2662607#
http://forums.macnn.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2662607#
http://forums.macnn.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2662607#
Same phone, same powerbook, same OS..

Script: Sony Ericsson 3G CID1
Telephone Number: "EMPTY"
Account Name:WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM
Password: CINGULAR1

Are you able to connect to your phone normally using bluetooth, with the ability to transfer pics, ringers,etc? If so, then there might be an issue with your internet settings. I would suggest going to Sony Ericsson's site, and getting the WAP settings for Cingular sent to your phone. I had an issue before with my iBook, due to I'm guessing some erroneous setting, and this cleared it up. If this doesn't help, and you've exhausted all other possibilities, you may just have a lemon of a phone. Hope you get it working :)

nationwide
Aug 28, 2005, 03:53 PM
I just ran a speed test from speakeasy.com using my sony T616, this phone only has GPRS, no EDGE :cry: and my results were 40kps download and 10kbps uploads, i haven't done any adjustments what so ever. i just used the bluetooth set up assistant and in 3 minutes i'm surfing. i don't know what class GPRS my T616 is but if anybody know feel free to let me know.

rancidbry
Aug 28, 2005, 11:17 PM
What settings do you have on your T616? I have a S710a and a T616 both unlocked on Cingular and I can't get either of them to connect to the internet through my powerbook G4 15". These are my computer settings:

script: Sony Ericsson 3G CID 1
phone #: blank
login: WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM
password: CINGULAR1

This is like my 5th post on this forum in 2 weeks trying to get tethered. I used to do it no problem with my T616 through AT&T.
I have no problem syncing phone numbers and calendars and transferring files. Just the internet. The internet works fine on my phone, just not tethered. It disconnects at the authentication stage. I called Cingular (they don't support tethering, especially with a mac), I went to 2 apple stores and the Genuis bar was stumped, and I went to the sony ericsson web and had the GPRS settings set to my phone. NO LUCK.
IF ANYONE HAS ANY CREATIVE IDEAS FOR GETTING THIS INTERNET TO WORK, I'VE TRIED EVERYTHING! http://forums.macnn.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2671345#
I really like all the tweaking to achieve EDGE speeds. I will be doing that right away as soon as basic internet works at ANY speed.


I just ran a speed test from speakeasy.com using my sony T616, this phone only has GPRS, no EDGE :cry: and my results were 40kps download and 10kbps uploads, i haven't done any adjustments what so ever. i just used the bluetooth set up assistant and in 3 minutes i'm surfing. i don't know what class GPRS my T616 is but if anybody know feel free to let me know.

nationwide
Aug 29, 2005, 12:18 PM
I have done everything on this forum to try and connect. I have a mac powerbook G4 15" runnign Tiger. I'm tried using these settings
number: blank, *99***2#, wap.cingular
account name: WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM
password: CINGULAR1
script: Sony Ericsson 3G CID1

It connects fine, but as soon as it reaches the authentication stage the computer and phone dissconect. Any creative suggestions?

In your network settings for ppp options be sure that the "send ecko packs" is unchecked

nationwide
Aug 29, 2005, 12:47 PM
What settings do you have on your T616? I have a S710a and a T616 both unlocked on Cingular and I can't get either of them to connect to the internet through my powerbook G4 15". These are my computer settings:

script: Sony Ericsson 3G CID 1
phone #: blank
login: WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM
password: CINGULAR1

This is like my 5th post on this forum in 2 weeks trying to get tethered. I used to do it no problem with my T616 through AT&T.
I have no problem syncing phone numbers and calendars and transferring files. Just the internet. The internet works fine on my phone, just not tethered. It disconnects at the authentication stage. I called Cingular (they don't support tethering, especially with a mac), I went to 2 apple stores and the Genuis bar was stumped, and I went to the sony ericsson web and had the GPRS settings set to my phone. NO LUCK.
IF ANYONE HAS ANY CREATIVE IDEAS FOR GETTING THIS INTERNET TO WORK, I'VE TRIED EVERYTHING! http://forums.macnn.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=2671345#
I really like all the tweaking to achieve EDGE speeds. I will be doing that right away as soon as basic internet works at ANY speed.

Check this out, here are my settings, i have a older G3 PB, and a new G5 PM, i called cingular and got the GPRS string from them which is *99***1#, which i put in for the dail up number, next for username put in WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM this is case sensitive so it has to be in all caps, for the password CINGULAR1 again it needs to be in all caps you will not be able to connect if it's not all caps, and for the dns, just look up the ip address in your phone settings and put it here, if you can't find it you can use 66.209.10.201 from ross barkman's home page. and for the modem script i just used sony ericsson infared script, my G5 is running tiger and my G3 is running panther and these are the setting i have on both computers. be sure to turn off, send ecko packs in the ppp options as this will cause your computer to disconnect after a few minutes. hope this was helpful let me know it this worked, good luck
I also forgot to mention that with these settings i'm using my T616 to connect with my computers via bluetooth

nationwide
Sep 5, 2005, 10:34 PM
just wondering how your nokia was working with your new ibook? i just purchased my ibook this weekend but i haven't gotten my 6230 as of yet. i went to the cingular store the other day and they discontinued the damn phone!!!! what a shame!!!!! oh well i'll be looking online to see who has the better prices for one. i thought about getting the 6230i but it works on the 900mhz instead of the 850mhz and at&t used the 850mhz in my area which cingular now uses. thanx

Yes, I know about the BT, I actually use it fairly often and I typically only get a full day's use out of my phone when I use BT (vs 3 or so if I don't). The power was actually out for what I'm estimating to be over an hour (battery backup should have lasted about 40 min and I was home without power for a good 30 before I got around to posting on MacNN ... I was doing my emailings, etc for the first bit and actually took a phone call too before coming here). The power came on literally as I was hitting 'Post Quick Reply'.

On a side note, I was able to test my phone again yesterday in a part of town with solid full-bar reception on my phone. 127k was the absolute maximum I was able to get (it was solidly in the 115k - 125k range for most of the short tests I performed on the mspeed site I linked above). This is on a Class 10 EDGE device. Must just be the limits of the network in this area. Still, I'm happy with it ... its essentially 2-3x dial-up speeds anywhere for about the same as a "premium" dial-up account.

One final note, I DID buy the new laptop last week (stock iBook 12" which includes 512mb, BT 2.0, Airport Extreme, and a Core Graphics capable GPU). I was looking at a refurb 12" PB but the new iBook came with with all the wireless tech I wanted built-in, so I jumped on that during my state's Tax Free Weekend (still took Apple 10 days to get it shipped to me). I have a desktop, so I really wasn't looking for a powerhouse laptop .. just something very portable that i didn't have to BTO to get what I wanted for less than $1k. For the first time in my life, I really needed a laptop ... I'm a Property Manager (ex-Winblows programmer as of 2002) and due to my tech-oriented past have become the default go-to-guy for setting up our weekly vacation rental properties with high-speed wireless (as individual property owners decide to add it). The roughly 560 properties we manage are spread out across 2 islands with about 25 miles between the east edge of one island and the west edge of the other. Each time I go to set up a new router/modem combo, I have no clue what to expect as far as hardware type and brand that the individual owner purchased nor am I even guaranteed that the service is actually up and running at all until I get there. Basically, our owners buy cable or DSL at their discretion, get whatever modem the service provider is sending at the time and then buy whatever wireless router they feel like. The possible combinations of setups is virtually endless and requires tailoring the setup to whatever they have and *trying* to standardize the settings so that they will be easily supported in the future (so guests can just power-cycle and have everything working when it comes back up). Previously, I had difficulty scheduling the company laptop, had to provide my own wireless card and was sunk if I got to the property 15 miles from the office and found that it didn't work for some reason, requiring me to drive miles back to the office, seek out proper settings online for the specific hardware in the property, print out what I *hoped* was comprehensive instructions for getting the service/modem/router humming along nicely together, reschedule the laptop at a time I could get back in the property, etc. I wasted a heck of a lot of time (mostly on properties I don't even manage directly) for some pretty stupid reasons and the company laptop was a total piece o' shite Dell from the Win98 era that literally took 7-8 minutes to boot (into XP) and would randomly quit working properly for some reason requiring me to spend more time troubleshooting the machine than the wireless setup (or at the very least, a lengthy reboot cycle to get it working again). It was my own private little hell since this is something that normally takes me 5 or 10 minutes to do when I have decent equipment and the ability to research on-the-fly.

There ... I've vented about why this whole tethering + iBook thing is such a freakin' godsend for me :)
:censor: :censor: :censor: :censor: :censor: :censor: :censor: :censor:

adynaton
Sep 14, 2005, 10:01 PM
After spending over 1.5 hours with Apple Care, numerous calls with Cingular, a call to Sony and "yadda yadda yadda" I came across this thread this afternoon after doing a Google search. After following--to the letter (except for the RMAC stuff) what f1000 recommended I have now connected to the internet wirelessly using my S710a as a modem. You've gotten this non-techy so excited I'm coming back to spend some more time and do some optimizing.
Thanks a lot,

John.

iBook G4, 1.42
Mac OS X 10.4.2
Sony Ericcson S710a, 3G CID1

tangus999
Sep 18, 2005, 11:51 PM
go to dsl reports and use the tools for speed to see how fast of a connection you have

f1000 after optimizign the ross script form what you posted i stil only get 50 max down....i have never hit above 100....
my aim name is tangus999 pm me and i am able to try anythgin you say so that we can figure out why the 710 doesn't want to break 100

enentrup@mac.com
Oct 3, 2005, 02:02 PM
Hey there...Running Tiger on my 12" PB with Cingular's MEdiaNet $19.99 plan on a V551.

Having the DANGEDEST time making sense of what I"m supposed to do with RMAC. I've downloaded and opened it, and I don't understand how to command it to make a startup script for me with your spec's. And although I'm comfortable in the Terminal, I don't know hwere to start to make the script any other way. I've read the entire thread and can only conclude that perhaps Tiger's different than Panther.

I've even installed BroadbandOptimizer.

Yet in the sysctl util I can't see a line for net.inet.tcp.slow.....anything. Plent of OTHER lines for TCP commands but NOT for slow connection or what have you.

I'm on iChat at enentrup@mac.com if you care to look me up! I'd like to get this resolved soon.

seemilesrun
Oct 4, 2005, 11:09 AM
Okay, so I've joined MacNN simply for this. I've tried everything I can to get my s710a to tether, just like everyone else I'm sure. It always seems to disconnect right at authentication. I tried the RMAC thing but that didn't help, also my phone will accept the BT connection from my G4 PB only some of the time, other times the PB simply states that no carrier has been detected. Can someone please help!!! Here are my stats:

Cingular w/ MediaNET Unlimited
SE s710a
12" PowerBook G4

stalkingtiger
Oct 4, 2005, 11:35 PM
I'm having the same problem as rancidbry, except w/ a Nokia 6682. Here's my ppp.log excerpt:

Tue Oct 4 20:22:02 2005 : Nokia 3G CID1
Tue Oct 4 20:22:04 2005 : Making network connection
Tue Oct 4 20:22:08 2005 : Serial connection established.
Tue Oct 4 20:22:08 2005 : Using interface ppp0
Tue Oct 4 20:22:08 2005 : Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/cu.Bluetooth-Modem
Tue Oct 4 20:22:10 2005 : PAP authentication succeeded
Tue Oct 4 20:22:40 2005 : IPCP: timeout sending Config-Requests
Tue Oct 4 20:22:41 2005 : Connection terminated.
Tue Oct 4 20:22:46 2005 : Serial link disconnected.

(over and over and over again)

In any case, I believe that I have everything configured correctly. Could it be a problem w/ the script? Btw, I've tried CID2 and it doesn't even connect to the phone.

EDIT:
I'm using a PowerBook G4 17".

tangus999
Oct 7, 2005, 08:44 PM
your setting are nto right.......check EVERYTHING AGAIN...i have a 710a and i can connect but my speeds are half ff waht others are getting on nokia and motorola's

it sounds like your ppp echo packet is not set right check that...alogn with everythgin else and set it to a "T" and it will work

rancidbry
Oct 7, 2005, 09:32 PM
ppp echo packets are not turned on. how do you set it to a "T"? I need to get connected before I can tweak it and increase the speed. Why is it that the S710a is slower than the rest? I never had trouble connecting before. I dont' understand why its such a problem now. I think I'm going to offer a reward on craigslist boston if someone can come to my apartment and get my S710a to connect to the internet through my Powerbook. Its a valuable service and I need it to function properly for traveling.

nationwide
Mar 5, 2006, 12:14 PM
just a new update on this subject. i've upgraded my sony t616 to a nokia 6682 and my old powerbook g3 to a new ibook g4. i ran the speakeasy spead test and here are the results:

portland, tn 1:00am
208kps download spead at 26kps transfer rate and 42kps upload spead at 5.3kps transter rate

greensburg, in 1:00pm
80kps download spead at 10kps transfer rate and 28kps upload spead at 3.5kps transter rate

elgin, al 11:00am
193kps download spead at 24.1kps transfer rate and 48kps upload spead at 6kps transter rate.

i'm still using the simple setup i used the the sony t616, no adjustments or tweaking and i just use the nokia infrared as the modem through apple's bluetooth setup.

iDriveX
Mar 6, 2006, 02:17 AM
I just did what you told me to in the first post and it worked fantastically on my K750i with Cingular's MediaNET Pay As You Go Plan. But seeing how easily it works, I think I would be much more happy to use the unlimited data plan.

Just wish my K750i was EDGE-Ready. Question: will the new K790a/i be Edge Ready? (http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=287905)

iDriveX
Mar 6, 2006, 02:21 AM
Looks like it will! That will DEFINITELY be my next phone...


K790i Tri Band EDGE 900/1800/1900 MHz for Europe, Asia Pacific, Americas
K790a Tri Band EDGE 850/1800/1900 MHz for Americas

iDriveX
Mar 6, 2006, 02:23 PM
I just called Cingular and upgraded my plan to include the $19.99/mo. MEdia Net Unlimited package. God their options are confusing, I don't know who's in charge over there but I would simplify these options:

MEdia Net Pay-As-You-Go - $0.01 / kB
MEdia Net 1 MB/Mo. - $4.99/mo.
MEdia Net 5 MB/Mo. - $9.99/mo.
MEdia Net 10 MB /Mo. - $14.99/mo.
MEdia Net Unlimited - $19.99/mo.
MEdia Basic - $9.99/mo. (Includes 200 Text Messages, 40 Multimedia Messages, 1 MB MEdia Net)
MEdia Works - $19.99/mo. (Includes 1000 Text Messages, Unlimited Multimedia Messages, 1 MB MEdia Net)
Laptop Connect 5 MB - $19.99/mo.
Laptop Connect 10 MB - $29.99/mo.
Laptop Connect 20 MB - $39.99/mo.
Laptop Connect 50 MB - $49.99/mo.
Laptop Connect Unlimited - Limited Time Only - $59.99/mo.
Laptop Connected Unlimited - $79.99/mo.
Data Connect for PDAs 5 MB - $19.99/mo.
Data Connect for PDAs 10 MB - $24.99/mo.
Data Connect for PDAs 20 MB - $34.99/mo.
Data Connect for PDAs Unlimited - $39.99/mo.

And all of those options don't even include the 20 different text/image/multimedia messaging options that you can tack on top of that, because Cingular doesn't include the KB in Picture Messaging in your MEdia Net/Laptop Connect/PDA Connect bundles. It's ridiculous, anyone that isn't a techie would have no idea what all that crap means and what they need/could do with it. And the people that can understand it, understand that you only need the $20.00 Unlimited MEdia Net to have your laptop/PDA/phone connect out to the internet if you have a Bluetooth Phone. <Norm MacDonald>Ridiculous...</Norm MacDonald>

nationwide
Mar 11, 2006, 11:56 AM
The media package cingular offered about a year ago is still the best. Strangely they don't offer it anymore, but i'll never change mine, i get for $19.99 unlimited media net, 1500 text, and 250 multimedia msg. I was about to give it up about 7 months ago which i didn't feel i was using the media net all that much until i got a bluetooth phone and started using it as a wireless modem. Cingular sends stuff in the mail and sends text msg all the time trying to get me to so call upgrade my media plan, FAT CHANCE!!!! and now i got my nokia 6682 with the download speeds it has, i know for sure i'll always keep my media plan!!! But keep in mind the unlimited plan is the way to go if you plan on using your phone as a wireless modem! Or if you have a smart phone that able to use browsers like opera instead of the media net browser. Opera allows you to go to website as if you are using internet explorer or safari on a computer(which uses more MB), not like the media net browser that can only surf sites that have been formatted for cell phones to view.

I just called Cingular and upgraded my plan to include the $19.99/mo. MEdia Net Unlimited package. God their options are confusing, I don't know who's in charge over there but I would simplify these options:

MEdia Net Pay-As-You-Go - $0.01 / kB
MEdia Net 1 MB/Mo. - $4.99/mo.
MEdia Net 5 MB/Mo. - $9.99/mo.
MEdia Net 10 MB /Mo. - $14.99/mo.
MEdia Net Unlimited - $19.99/mo.
MEdia Basic - $9.99/mo. (Includes 200 Text Messages, 40 Multimedia Messages, 1 MB MEdia Net)
MEdia Works - $19.99/mo. (Includes 1000 Text Messages, Unlimited Multimedia Messages, 1 MB MEdia Net)
Laptop Connect 5 MB - $19.99/mo.
Laptop Connect 10 MB - $29.99/mo.
Laptop Connect 20 MB - $39.99/mo.
Laptop Connect 50 MB - $49.99/mo.
Laptop Connect Unlimited - Limited Time Only - $59.99/mo.
Laptop Connected Unlimited - $79.99/mo.
Data Connect for PDAs 5 MB - $19.99/mo.
Data Connect for PDAs 10 MB - $24.99/mo.
Data Connect for PDAs 20 MB - $34.99/mo.
Data Connect for PDAs Unlimited - $39.99/mo.

And all of those options don't even include the 20 different text/image/multimedia messaging options that you can tack on top of that, because Cingular doesn't include the KB in Picture Messaging in your MEdia Net/Laptop Connect/PDA Connect bundles. It's ridiculous, anyone that isn't a techie would have no idea what all that crap means and what they need/could do with it. And the people that can understand it, understand that you only need the $20.00 Unlimited MEdia Net to have your laptop/PDA/phone connect out to the internet if you have a Bluetooth Phone. <Norm MacDonald>Ridiculous...</Norm MacDonald>

kapkorn
Jun 16, 2006, 05:52 PM
Has anyone gotten a crazy phone bill using this? Are you guys using this daily or just in an emergency?

f1000
Jun 18, 2006, 07:54 PM
Has anyone gotten a crazy phone bill using this? Are you guys using this daily or just in an emergency?
I've been using Cingular EDGE for almost a year now and have never been charged more than the MediaNet unlimited package price. I use the service whenever I travel, and have found it to be available at all airports and along Amtrak's Northeast corridor (D.C. to Boston).

justinkim
Jul 14, 2006, 04:31 PM
I just got around to trying to set up Sony Ericsson S710a yesterday.

It worked just fine the first limited test I tried. Today I'm getting this:
Fri Jul 14 16:28:14 2006 : Sony Ericsson 3G CID1
Fri Jul 14 16:28:14 2006 : Making network connection
Fri Jul 14 16:28:20 2006 : Serial connection established.
Fri Jul 14 16:28:20 2006 : Using interface ppp0
Fri Jul 14 16:28:20 2006 : Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/cu.Bluetooth-Modem
Fri Jul 14 16:28:24 2006 : Hangup (SIGHUP)
Fri Jul 14 16:28:24 2006 : Modem hangup
Fri Jul 14 16:28:24 2006 : Connection terminated.

Didn't change any settings between the first test and now.

When the connection problem first showed up, I re-paired my phone and computer and re-configured my bluetooth settings, but that didn't help any.

I can still connect to MediaNET through my phone's browser and it's showing an available GPRS signal.

Any suggestions?

justinkim
Jul 14, 2006, 04:48 PM
The log from my successful connection looked like this:
Thu Jul 13 14:42:45 2006 : Sony Ericsson 3G CID1
Thu Jul 13 14:42:46 2006 : Making network connection
Thu Jul 13 14:42:51 2006 : Serial connection established.
Thu Jul 13 14:42:51 2006 : Using interface ppp0
Thu Jul 13 14:42:51 2006 : Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/cu.Bluetooth-Modem
Thu Jul 13 14:42:53 2006 : CHAP authentication succeeded: Congratulations!
Thu Jul 13 14:42:57 2006 : local IP address 10.194.55.122
Thu Jul 13 14:42:57 2006 : remote IP address 66.102.184.196
Thu Jul 13 14:42:57 2006 : primary DNS address 66.102.163.231
Thu Jul 13 14:42:57 2006 : secondary DNS address 66.102.163.232
Thu Jul 13 14:43:23 2006 : IPV6CP: timeout sending Config-Requests
Thu Jul 13 14:44:24 2006 : Hangup (SIGHUP)
Thu Jul 13 14:44:25 2006 : Connection terminated.
Thu Jul 13 14:44:25 2006 : Connect time 1.6 minutes.
Thu Jul 13 14:44:25 2006 : Sent 21158 bytes, received 147101 bytes.
Thu Jul 13 14:44:30 2006 : Serial link disconnected.

justinkim
Jul 14, 2006, 07:02 PM
Hmmnn... Seems to have been a somewhat extended network funny on my side. Things cleared up around 6:00. Sorry for the false alarm.

BTW, I seem to max out at 22.5k/sec down on my connection.

AppleOptionFour
Jul 21, 2006, 03:07 AM
WTF...All works great EXCEPT that i get dropped after about a minute.

Not sure what the deal is there.


Using: MacBook with a Nokia 6102i (Basically like the old 6102 with BT)

Any thoughts? Ill troubleshoot and report back.

This has to be one of the best threads on 'nn I've ever read.


Thanks.

AppleOptionFour
Jul 22, 2006, 01:18 PM
Seems if I use ISP@CINGULARGPRS.COM as the account name as opposed to WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM, it keeps me connected.

This time I self disconnected after 3 minutes.


The ISP@CINGULARGPRS.COM account name came from this website.

http://dev.us.wdsglobal.com/us.cingular/

Lets you build a "custom" solution. I still use the EDGE modem script from taniwha.org.uk though.

EH

kapkorn
Jul 25, 2006, 09:44 AM
Seems if I use ISP@CINGULARGPRS.COM as the account name as opposed to WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM, it keeps me connected.

This time I self disconnected after 3 minutes.


The ISP@CINGULARGPRS.COM account name came from this website.

http://dev.us.wdsglobal.com/us.cingular/

Lets you build a "custom" solution. I still use the EDGE modem script from taniwha.org.uk though.

EH


seem like something with your phone or the phone script, I have a Sony w600i and I used the settings in this thread and it works perfect.

cbrg
Aug 3, 2006, 02:55 AM
So I am interested in doing this with my Treo. I have the settings done up to the point of using RMAC. I don't really understand what I am supposed to do to generate this script or how do do it. RMAC does not seem run on my MacBook Pro.

Any ideas? Can someone e-mail the script that I can drop into the StartUpItems folder in my Library folder?

Any help would be appreciated.

Also, has anything changed since 2003?

cactusg
Aug 24, 2006, 02:40 AM
OK. So I've literally been working on this for the past 6 hours or so with no luck. I followed all of the steps in this thread, read everything over twice, but cannot, for the life of me, get the RMAC startup script to run properly and change my slowlink_wzise settings.

In order to get RMAC to write the files properly, I had to change the permissions so I can read/write in that directory. This is all fine, except for when I restart, OSX gives me the option to ignore all of the items in the startup folder, thus not running the script, or fix the permissions. After fixing and restarting, running sysctl -a, the slowlink_wsize value is still the same. I tried deleting the RMAC folder, restarting, reinstalling it again, then change the permissions back to 'system' BEFORE rebooting so I don't get the ignore/fix message, and still no luck. It never changes.

I've got a Nokia 6682 tethered via BT, full signal, and I get speeds around 75/30, which I know isn't nearly the speeds this phone can acheive. Also, Powerbook G4 17". Any help would be greatly appreciated.

f1000
Aug 24, 2006, 12:10 PM
I've got a Nokia 6682 tethered via BT, full signal, and I get speeds around 75/30, which I know isn't nearly the speeds this phone can acheive. Also, Powerbook G4 17". Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I don't know which version of OS X you are using, but if tethering is that important to you: backup your HD, do a clean OS install, and setup tethering first. As you reinstall each of your applications, see if any of them break your tethering settings. I'm not a Unix guru, so you might want to post a specific thread asking about changing preferences in the OS forum.

In any case, I suggest that you ditch your 6682 and replace it with an HSDPA phone. Why settle for ~200 kbps when you can have up to 1800 kbps?

f1000
Aug 24, 2006, 12:19 PM
Seems if I use ISP@CINGULARGPRS.COM as the account name as opposed to WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM, it keeps me connected.

This time I self disconnected after 3 minutes.


The ISP@CINGULARGPRS.COM account name came from this website.

http://dev.us.wdsglobal.com/us.cingular/

Lets you build a "custom" solution. I still use the EDGE modem script from taniwha.org.uk though.

EH
Those solutions are for plain-old GPRS; they are not correct for unlimited EDGE/UMTS/HSDPA. Unless you're on a data plan, you must use WAP. With regards to your specific problem, you either have auto-disconnect on or are encountering network problems.

f1000
Aug 24, 2006, 12:24 PM
So I am interested in doing this with my Treo. I have the settings done up to the point of using RMAC. I don't really understand what I am supposed to do to generate this script or how do do it. RMAC does not seem run on my MacBook Pro.
I may be wrong, but Treo's are supposed to be connected via ISPDA, not WAP. ISPDA service is more expensive. Go to Howardsforum for Treo specific answers.

cactusg
Aug 24, 2006, 01:37 PM
I don't know which version of OS X you are using, but if tethering is that important to you: backup your HD, do a clean OS install, and setup tethering first. As you reinstall each of your applications, see if any of them break your tethering settings. I'm not a Unix guru, so you might want to post a specific thread asking about changing preferences in the OS forum.

In any case, I suggest that you ditch your 6682 and replace it with an HSDPA phone. Why settle for ~200 kbps when you can have up to 1800 kbps?

I just got the 6682 from amazon for 1 cent, so that's not going anywhere :) I'm using 10.4.7. The phone is tethered just fine, the connection works, it's just slow. My issue is with the startup script not changing the appropriate values (see above). Do you really think doing a clean install will fix that? Seems a little extreme to me.

nationwide
Aug 27, 2006, 10:29 PM
I just got the 6682 from amazon for 1 cent, so that's not going anywhere :) I'm using 10.4.7. The phone is tethered just fine, the connection works, it's just slow. My issue is with the startup script not changing the appropriate values (see above). Do you really think doing a clean install will fix that? Seems a little extreme to me.

I'm not having any problems with my nokia 6682, i first used it with an ibook g4, then i upgraded to a macbook pro and it works fine. i click connect and in about 3 seconds i'm online. i would try selecting the nokia infared modem instead of using any of the other modem scripts that you have added. this way you can check to see if you still have you problem. i use the nokia infared modem as my selected model and i have pretty fast download speeds for an edge phone without and adjustments or tethering, you can check my post on my download speeds. Although i do agree with f100 why settle for a gprs or edge connection when you can get a new 3g phone with faster speeds if they offer the network in your area. At this time there is no 3g networks in my area, but rest assured, as much as i love my 6682 it's gone as soon as the 3g network is available here and i'm upgrading to a nokia n73.

davidbaldwin
Aug 29, 2006, 10:14 PM
Has anyone tried this procedure on the new LG CU500 or Samsung ZX20?
What Modem sript worked?
Did you achive 3G speeds?

I was interested in getting one of these phones since they are the only 3G phones that Cingular offers

Thank you,
-Baldwin
PS First time post.

f1000
Aug 30, 2006, 11:41 AM
Has anyone tried this procedure on the new LG CU500 or Samsung ZX20?
What Modem sript worked?
Did you achive 3G speeds?

I was interested in getting one of these phones since they are the only 3G phones that Cingular offers

Thank you,
-Baldwin
PS First time post.
For the LG CU500, all the Mac-side settings remain the same except now you can check the "Use TCP header compression" option and you must use the "Generic 3G CID1" modem script.

I'm getting close to 600 kbps on a 12" PB, revB with Bluetooth 1.2, OS 10.3.9, and 2-3 bars of signal...that is, when MEdiaNet is actually working. The network was down for roughly two weeks, although things seem to have gotten back to normal since Monday.

nationwide
Aug 31, 2006, 10:36 AM
For the LG CU500, all the Mac-side settings remain the same except now you can check the "Use TCP header compression" option and you must use the "Generic 3G CID1" modem script.

I'm getting close to 600 kbps on a 12" PB, revB with Bluetooth 1.2, OS 10.3.9, and 2-3 bars of signal...that is, when MEdiaNet is actually working. The network was down for roughly two weeks, although things seem to have gotten back to normal since Monday.


:eek: Wow i didn't know that the Lg phones where getting that kinda speed of 600kbps. did you do any tethering to your settings to get these speeds? although i've just started doing research on the new 3g phones all the phones i've seen so far are rated up to 384kbps, only the network cards i've seen have faster speeds. plus does the lg phone have the dual mode where you can talk and surf the web at the same time, where as phones now are voice priority 1st and data 2nd. which means if you are online and you recieve a call, your internet connection is put on hold until your call has finished. i've never been a fan of lg phones but if it has dual mode and you can get speeds close to 600kbps i may have a new best phone. i've always been a fan of nokias because they seem to have faster download speeds and reading some of these posts here and reviews from online mags, that seems to be somewhat true. plus nokias have dual mode and they are also bluetooth ver 2.0. the only thing i don't like about the lg cu500 is that it's still has bluetooth version 1.2 which i'm sure you know has a slower transfer rate than the 2.0 bluetooth phones. and since my macbook pro has bluetooth 2.0 i would like a phone that has 2.0 for max transfer speeds. i've test devices with my laptop and ver 1.2 has about a 35kbps transfer rate as a 2.0 device has about 103kbps transfer rate. it's still not the claimed 3mbps transfer rate but still 3 times faster than ver1.2. since i'm in a area that doesn't have the 3g networks yet i don't know anybody to check if there would be a difference in having a ver 1.2 or 2.0 bluetooth 3g phone. if you know anyone that has one, let me know what kinda transfer speeds they are getting between computer and phone. i'm still thinking about getting a 3g phone off ebay since i do travel and i could take advantage of the 3g networks when i'm in those major cities that have them

f1000
Aug 31, 2006, 09:34 PM
The LG CU500 is a 3.5G phone (i.e., an HSDPA phone). Its theoretical max download rate is 1.8 Mbps, which people have reported achieving via USB. I had to retweak my OS settings in order to get the ~600 kbps speeds via BT 1.2, but I think I'll eventually spring for a USB cable as well in order to get max speeds. FYI, Moto will introduce a RAZR next year that can do BT 2.0 and 3.6 Mbps.

The LG phone itself isn't bad, but its UI isn't anything to brag about. It's got too many annoying quirks to be user friendly. Still, it's awesome to browse maps using Google Maps Mobile at 1.8 Mbps, or to watch streaming television clips of Jay Leno or Jon Stewart while waiting at an airport. The phone also has a decent MP3 player and pivoting camera to boot.

I'll eventually post an updated thread explaining how to tether a PowerBook to an LG CU500 via Bluetooth.

davidbaldwin
Sep 1, 2006, 04:49 PM
Hmmm...

I found this in Cingular's Terms of Service:
Furthermore, unlimited plans (except for DataConnect and Blackberry Tethered) cannot be used for any applications that tether the device (through use of, including without limitation, connection kits, other phone/PDA-to-computer accessories, Bluetooth® or any other wireless technology) to laptops, PCs, or other equipment for any purpose. Service is not intended to provide full-time connections, and the Service may be discontinued after a significant period of inactivity or after sessions of excessive usage. Cingular reserves the right to (i) limit throughput or amount of data transferred, deny Service and/or terminate Service, without notice, to anyone it believes is using the Service in any manner prohibited above or whose usage adversely impacts its network or service levels and (ii) protect its network from harm, which may impact legitimate data flows. You may not send solicitations to Cingular subscribers without their consent. You may not use the Services other than as intended by Cingular and applicable law. Plans are for individual, non-commercial use only and are not for resale.

Anyone else exprenice a lack of bandwith, loss of connection, and/or termination of service?

-Baldwin

nationwide
Sep 2, 2006, 11:43 AM
The LG CU500 is a 3.5G phone (i.e., an HSDPA phone). Its theoretical max download rate is 1.8 Mbps, which people have reported achieving via USB. I had to retweak my OS settings in order to get the ~600 kbps speeds via BT 1.2, but I think I'll eventually spring for a USB cable as well in order to get max speeds. FYI, Moto will introduce a RAZR next year that can do BT 2.0 and 3.6 Mbps.

The LG phone itself isn't bad, but its UI isn't anything to brag about. It's got too many annoying quirks to be user friendly. Still, it's awesome to browse maps using Google Maps Mobile at 1.8 Mbps, or to watch streaming television clips of Jay Leno or Jon Stewart while waiting at an airport. The phone also has a decent MP3 player and pivoting camera to boot.

I'll eventually post an updated thread explaining how to tether a PowerBook to an LG CU500 via Bluetooth.

Thanks for the info, well noted. i guess i'll focus my efforts on purchasing a 3.5G phone. If you are interested in keeping up with the lastest phone news and releases, i found a useful site www.phonescoop.com they have all the lastest info of what goes on in the phone industry from press releases to updates to phone releases for public sale. I look forward to hearing your next thread, altough i haven't started tethering any settings yet since i've been achieving fast speeds on the edge networks without any tethering, i look forward to learning how. I've seen the new 3G razr but haven't read on it yet, if it's a 3.5G phone i'll be looking to try to purchase one. Keep up the good work.

nationwide
Sep 2, 2006, 01:08 PM
The LG CU500 is a 3.5G phone (i.e., an HSDPA phone). Its theoretical max download rate is 1.8 Mbps, which people have reported achieving via USB. I had to retweak my OS settings in order to get the ~600 kbps speeds via BT 1.2, but I think I'll eventually spring for a USB cable as well in order to get max speeds. FYI, Moto will introduce a RAZR next year that can do BT 2.0 and 3.6 Mbps.

The LG phone itself isn't bad, but its UI isn't anything to brag about. It's got too many annoying quirks to be user friendly. Still, it's awesome to browse maps using Google Maps Mobile at 1.8 Mbps, or to watch streaming television clips of Jay Leno or Jon Stewart while waiting at an airport. The phone also has a decent MP3 player and pivoting camera to boot.

I'll eventually post an updated thread explaining how to tether a PowerBook to an LG CU500 via Bluetooth.

i'll do some research on the hsdpa phones, thanks

nationwide
Sep 2, 2006, 01:10 PM
The LG CU500 is a 3.5G phone (i.e., an HSDPA phone). Its theoretical max download rate is 1.8 Mbps, which people have reported achieving via USB. I had to retweak my OS settings in order to get the ~600 kbps speeds via BT 1.2, but I think I'll eventually spring for a USB cable as well in order to get max speeds. FYI, Moto will introduce a RAZR next year that can do BT 2.0 and 3.6 Mbps.

The LG phone itself isn't bad, but its UI isn't anything to brag about. It's got too many annoying quirks to be user friendly. Still, it's awesome to browse maps using Google Maps Mobile at 1.8 Mbps, or to watch streaming television clips of Jay Leno or Jon Stewart while waiting at an airport. The phone also has a decent MP3 player and pivoting camera to boot.

I'll eventually post an updated thread explaining how to tether a PowerBook to an LG CU500 via Bluetooth.

THANKS A MILLION!!!!!!! after reading your thread, i now see the difference between umts and hsdpa phones, i was looking to purchase the nokia n73, but it is only umts and not hsdpa. so as much as i love the nokia i'll have to pass and after reading a press release on phonescoop nokia and cingular are have confusions about the specs on the phones and that although cingular will release new nokia phones as well as sony ericsson and others, none will havd the hsdpa feature. so my focus is now on samsung and lg and moto, as they already have and are releasing hsdpa phones. again keep up the good work

ericgibson74
Sep 11, 2006, 09:12 PM
I have been successfully using an Intel MacBook Pro with a Cingular LG CU500 (using bluetooth) and a Cingular data connect plan to connect to the internet. I followed Cingular's directions from their support web site, but it required typing a modem init string every time I connected. The directions involved using the null modem 115200 script, so I simply modified that script, added the commands that I was typing every time to connect, changed to connect rate in the script and saved it as "LC CU500". It worked and a few speed tests have given me download speeds of 418-579kbps and upload of 135-141kbps (in the Dallas, TX area). Here is my modified modem script (save as a text file named LG CU500 in folder /Library/Modem Scripts):

! LG CU500 MODEM SCRIPT
!
!

@ORIGINATE
@ANSWER
serreset 1843200, 0, 8, 1
write "at+cgdcont=1,\34IP\34,\34isp.cingular\34\13"
write "atdt*99#\13"
@HANGUP
exit 0

and here are the directions to setup the LG CU500 with Mac OS X:

Setting up the handset
On the handset, press the Menu button.
Scroll to Settings and press OK.
Scroll to Bluetooth and press OK.
Scroll to Bluetooth On/Off and press OK.
Scroll to On and press Set.
Scroll to Bluetooth Settings and press OK.
Scroll to My visibility and press OK.
Scroll to Show and press Set.
Return to the Settings menu, scroll to Connection and press OK.
Scroll to Dial Up Networking and press OK.
Scroll to Bluetooth and press Set.

Setting up the connection
On the Mac, click on the Apple menu, and then click on System Preferences.
Click on the Bluetooth icon.
Click on the Settings tab.
Ensure the Bluetooth Power is On.
Ensure that Discoverable is checked.
Click on the Devices tab, and then click on Set Up New Device.
Once the Bluetooth Setup Assistant window opens, click on Continue.
Tick to select Mobile Phone, and click on Continue.
Once the search is complete, click once on the name for the handset and then click on Continue.
On the phone, type the 6 digit passkey displayed on the Mac and press ok.
On the Mac, check Access the Internet with your phone's data connection and then click on Continue.
Click on Continue again.
Click on Quit.
Return to the System Preferences screen, and click on Network.
From the Location drop down menu, click on New Location.
Type CNG GPRS for the new location name, and then click on OK.
From the Show drop down menu, click to select Bluetooth.
From the Configure IPv4 drop down menu, click to select Using PPP.
Click on the PPP tab.
In the Account Name field, type ISP@CINGULARGPRS.COM
In the Password field, type CINGULAR1
Type *99# for the Telephone Number.
Click on PPP Options.
Uncheck Send PPP Echo Packets.
Check Use TCP header compression.
( Cingular's instructions read "Check Connect using a terminal window, and click on OK." but if you use my modem script, 'Connect using a terminal window' should be unchecked )
Click on the Bluetooth Modem tab.
From the Modem drop down menu, click to select LG CU500
( Cingular's instructions use Null Modem 115200 )
Uncheck Enable error correction and compression in modem.
Uncheck Wait for dial tone before dialing.
Click on Apply Now.
Click on System Preferences, and then click on Quit System Preferences

Making the connection
From here, Cingular's instruction didn't quite work, but using my modem script, you can just open internet connect, select bluetooth, and click connect, and you should get connected, but here is cingular's instructions:
On the mac, click on the Phone/Modem icon, and click to select Bluetooth.
Click on the Phone/Modem icon, and click on Connect.
Once the Terminal window opens, type
at+cgdcont=1,"IP","isp.cingular", and press the return/enter key.
Once OK appears, type atdt*99# and press the return/enter key.
Once CONNECT appears, then click on Continue.
You will now be connected to the Cingular GPRS service

Good Luck!

nationwide
Sep 19, 2006, 01:24 PM
i was wondering if anybody is using windows mobile smartphone as a wireless modem. I was considering buying a HTC 3.5G smartphone which runs windows mobile 5.0. if anyone is using a windows mobile smartphone how does it interface with the mac os via bluetooth? simple to set up? and which modem scripts were used?

neduro
Oct 18, 2006, 04:58 PM
First off, a huge thanks to everyone, especially f1000 and ericgibson74 for taking the time to give such good instructions.

After my 6th RAZR in 9 months died, Cingular (who has happily warranteed each one) offered me an LG CU500 to replace it. After finding this thread, I excitedly took them up on it. The LG's form factor seems a bit more crude, and the UI doesn't seem all that great, but if it will hold up for more than 6 weeks, I'm all about it.

Using Eric's instructions, I was able to tether and connect. Mac is a 15" PB G4 w/ 10.4.7. I'm seeing about 150k down and 25k up... I'm hoping it gets better.

As a non-technical user, my question is what to try first. I'm not sure if the RMAC instructions that were included early in the thread are still relevant- f1000, it sounds like you may be using a LG CU500 now as well- can you clue me in on what to work on?

terrymorse
Nov 28, 2006, 12:30 AM
I have been successfully using an Intel MacBook Pro with a Cingular LG CU500 (using bluetooth) and a Cingular data connect plan to connect to the internet.

I have followed your instructions to the letter and have had no success. Everything seems to go along fine, all the way up through the CHAP authentication. Then, for some unknown reason, I get a sudden SIGHUP. Here's a snippet of the log:

Mon Nov 27 20:32:08 2006 : rcvd [CHAP Success id=0x1 ""]
Mon Nov 27 20:32:08 2006 : CHAP authentication succeeded
Mon Nov 27 20:32:09 2006 : sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x1 <addr 0.0.0.0> <ms-dns1 0.0.0.0> <ms-dns3 0.0.0.0>]
Mon Nov 27 20:32:10 2006 : rcvd [IPCP ConfNak id=0x1 <ms-dns1 10.11.12.13> <ms-dns3 10.11.12.14> <ms-wins 10.11.12.13> <ms-wins 10.11.12.14>]
Mon Nov 27 20:32:10 2006 : sent [IPCP ConfReq id=0x2 <addr 0.0.0.0> <ms-dns1 10.11.12.13> <ms-dns3 10.11.12.14>]
Mon Nov 27 20:32:10 2006 : Hangup (SIGHUP)
Mon Nov 27 20:32:10 2006 : Modem hangup
Mon Nov 27 20:32:10 2006 : Connection terminated.

Am I missing something? This is very frustrating, as I got the phone solely for its ability to tether to the Mac. I have been able to browse with MediaNet from the phone, so the connection seems fine. The "ConfNak" reply packet looks very suspicious, since I suspect that's some sort of failure message.

jin
Jan 22, 2007, 10:26 PM
ericgibson74 posts useful instructions and script earlier in this thread for tethering an internet connection through lg cu500 to a mac.
The script instructions are great but I had to change one thing in the script to make it work. The change solved authentication problems for me.

I changed isp.cingular to wap.cingular in the followiing script line 8:

! LG CU500 MODEM SCRIPT
!
!

@ORIGINATE
@ANSWER
serreset 1843200, 0, 8, 1
write "at+cgdcont=1,\34IP\34,\34isp.cingular\34\13"
write "atdt*99#\13"
@HANGUP
exit 0

nationwide
Feb 1, 2007, 06:38 PM
just curious if everyone would continue posting info about cingular(now at&t) 3G networks in this thread or start a new one?

xyian
Mar 13, 2007, 12:32 AM
First off, I would like to thank everybody for all their generosity, time and effort towards tethering and giving it to Cingular! As much as I despise them, they're what I have.....

Anyhow, I've managed to tether using USB and Bluetooth using an LG CU500 phone. I've noticed that the Generic CID 3G script gives me the best speeds:

USB
3G1 Up - 1115kbps(139.4kb/s) Down - 320kbps(41.3kb/s)
3G2 Up - 1019kbps Down - 245kbps

Bluetooth
3G1 Up - 593kbps(74.1kb/s) Down - 141kbps(17.6kb/s)
3G2 Up - 595kbps(74.4kb/s) Down - 144kbps(18kb/s)

I should note that I live in the Portland, OR metro area where we enjoy 3G coverage. I can even sit on the train and get it. It's nice that way. I used Thomas
Cochran's (http://www.thomascochran.com/article/69/tether-the-cingular-lg-cu500-as-a-modem-to-mac-os-x-via-usb) web blog page to get me going on the USB side of things. I followed it to a T except I can't get the script he suggests to work. Instead, I'm using the Generic 3G 1 script, which seems to get the highest speeds. Oh yeah, I used WAP.CINGULAR as the number as well instead of the 99**1#.

Now if I could only figure out RMAC, I could probably tweak this faster. I might try Broadband Optimizer instead and see if I have any luck. RMAC won't save a start up file. Any suggestions? It just gives me an error.

Cheers,

Mark.

MacMan2004
Mar 27, 2007, 02:13 AM
Hi f1000,
I'm thinking about getting the V3xx with the "MEdia Max 200 Bundle w/Unlimited Mobile to Mobile Messaging" package. Some have suggested you would need to buy a laptop connect or blackberry tether package to get this to work otherwise you will be charged a fee per byte transferred to the laptop. I think someone else mentioned this will only happen if you use ISP@CINGULARGPRS.COM instead of WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM. So I wanted to make sure that this was the case and I would not incur additional charges beyond those for Media Max package.

Also, the V3xx supports Bluetooth 2.0 which I believe supports transfer rates up 2.1 Mb/s. I would think that this should allow you to get the max transfer speeds for both EDGE and HSDPA over Bluetooth without the need to use USB for the max speeds. Do you think you could provide an update with information on what scripts to use for the V3xx with Bluetooth 2.0 and HSDPA to achieve the maximum possible transfer speeds?

Thanks!

mfbernstein
Mar 31, 2007, 10:37 AM
I've not seen reports of anybody getting speeds over ~800kbit with Bluetooth. As with 802,11, overhead for protocol and signal loss probably mean that you'll never see 2.1mbit/s. Heck, current Macs all support Bluetooth 2.0, so if better performance were possible, I expect somebody would have seen it by now.

MacMan2004
Mar 31, 2007, 12:52 PM
I think the 800 kbit limit is because of the peak speed of the network. Cingular for example states that their network will not do much better than 700 - 800 kb on average. The thing is, I'm not sure how this is possible to achieve that with DUN to a PC since Dialup Networks don't typically support speeds that fast even if the phone can do it. That's why I was looking for a PAN solution that wouldn't have that sort of limitation. However, through some more research I've found that pretty much the only Motorola phone that supports PAN is the Q. Many other smartphones like the Blackjack and Dash support PAN too. Hopefully this will change once the Juix phones start coming out. Beyond the phones not supporting PAN, the current Mac OS does not support PAN either. I've read it will not support PAN until the iPhone comes out. However, PAN has been supported on windows since Windows XP SP2 with improved support in Vista apparently.

mfbernstein
Mar 31, 2007, 01:23 PM
No, 800 kbits isn't a network limitation. I've connected both by Bluetooth and by USB. I can regularly get 1200 kbits using a USB tether. I've seen Verizon connections as fast as 1800kbits. I have never seen more than 700 kbit via Bluetooth.

PAN isn't about performance, but about configurability. I don't believe there is any difference in how the phone accesses the outside network, only in how the phone allows the computer to connect to it. Even today, the phone isn't actually behaving all that much like a standard modem with respect to the cellular network.

IceEnclosure
May 24, 2007, 02:15 AM
beret.net Mac OS X (http://beret.net/category/technology/mac-os-x/)

this guy got PAN working with his BlackJack via Bluetooth on 10.4.9

viper89
Aug 10, 2007, 03:11 PM
Worked great for me

netZoo
Sep 1, 2007, 02:17 AM
After trying nearly every suggestion above, I finally succeeded using Ross Barkman's new Generic HSDPA Script (scroll down on this page: Ross Barkman's Home Page (http://home2.btconnect.com/Taniwha/) unzip and drag into Library/Modem Scripts)

Iti only worked for me using WAP.CINGULARGPRS.COM (as opposed to ISP) -- I'm on the unliminited MediaNet plan.

LG CU500v with iBook G4 and Belkin F8T01 USB Bluetooth 2.0 adapter (100 meters).

nationwide
Sep 21, 2007, 12:17 AM
It's been a while, but i've upgraded my nokia 6682 EDGE to a nokia 6120 classic (white) 3.5 HSDPA phone. I decided to go with this phone because not only is it a 3.6Mbps hsdpa/384Kbps UL/DL umts, but it's also a class 32 edge phone which has faster download and upload speeds compaired to a class 10 edge when i'm not in 3.5G areas. I'm currently using bluetooth to connect since both my phone and macbook pro has bluetooth 2.0+EDR and i had to use the nokia hsdpa cid1 modem script from Ross Barkman's Home Page, although i do plan on in the future trying using usb connection since i've read it seems to be faster. Here are some of my speed test results via bluetooth:

Using 3.5G HSDPA networks,
Download Speed: 1007 kbps (125.9KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 279 kbps (34.9 KB/sec transfer rate)

Using 2.5G EDGE Networks
Download Speed: 208 kbps (26KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 120 kbps (15 KB/sec transfer rate)

These speeds are pretty much average what i get except for the ocassional speed dip or speed burst. The only problem i have from time to time (which i didn't have before using the 6682 or my old sony ericsson t616 and the standard infrared nokia/sony ericsson modem script from mac osx) is when i'm downloading certain pages or multiple pages, even tho i don't loose my connection to the network, i seem to loose the connection to the server and the page stops downloading. After checking the connection manager on my phone, it verifies that no data is being sent or recieved during this time although it's still connected to the network (this happens if i'm using edge or 3g to connect). A simple disconnect and reconnect fixes this issue but i would like to fix it to where i didn't happen at all. If anyone has any ideas please let me know, i can only assume maybe it's something in the the modem script, otherwise all the options are unchecked (ecko packets, etc)

nationwide
Sep 21, 2007, 12:37 AM
Here is a text version the modem script i'm using if anyone can see any changes that need to be made feel free to let me know:

! Nokia HSDPA CID1
!
! Author: Ross Barkman
!
! History:
! 06 Jan 02 First release
! 28 Jun 02 Change dialstring from *99# to *99***1#
! 13 Feb 03 Change flow control to +IFC=3,1
! 10 Oct 03 Add APN check
! 11 Dec 03 Add retries for initial AT, plus minor improvements
! 09 May 04 Increase serial speed for EDGE/UMTS
! 21 Feb 05 Fix retries
! 19 Aug 06 Fixed error message handling
! 12 May 07 Increase speed for HSDPA
! 27 Jul 07 Further increase to 3.6M
!
! 'mlts' resource info:
! byte 1 == 01 -> modem HAS built-in error correction protocols
! byte 2 == 01 -> modem HAS built-in data compression protocols
! byte 3 == 200 -> max number of chars in varstr 7
! byte 4 == 200 -> max number of chars in varstr 8
! byte 5 == 200 -> max number of chars in varstr 9
!
@ORIGINATE
@ANSWER
!
note "Nokia HSDPA CID1" 1
!
! Check APN
!
! Common mistake: using *99 instead of APN
!
ifstr 1 110 "*99#"
ifstr 1 110 "*98#"
ifstr 1 110 "*99***1#"
ifstr 1 110 "*99***2#"
ifstr 1 110 "*99***3#"
ifstr 1 110 "*99***4#"
ifstr 1 110 "*99***5#"
!
! ---- Modem setup ----
!
! Set serial port speed 3686400, all interface signals off
!
serreset 3686400, 0, 8, 1
hsreset 0 0 0 0 0 0
settries 0
!
!
@LABEL 1
!
! Check the phone is responding
!
matchclr
matchstr 1 2 "OK\13\10"
write "AT\13"
matchread 30
iftries 3 101
inctries
jsr 9
jump 1
!
!
@LABEL 2
!
! Check the phone is a Nokia
!
settries 0
matchclr
matchstr 1 3 "Nokia"
write "AT+CGMI\13"
matchread 60
jump 109
!
!
@LABEL 3
!
! Configure the phone
!
matchclr
matchstr 1 5 "OK\13\10"
matchstr 2 101 "ERROR\13\10"
write "AT&FE0V1&D2&S0&C1S0=0+IFC=3,1\13"
matchread 30
iftries 3 101
inctries
jsr 9
jump 3
!
!
@LABEL 5
!
! Main setup done, prepare for additional setup
!
pause 20
settries 0
!
!
@LABEL 6
!
! Set additional options
!
matchclr
matchstr 1 10 "OK\13\10"
matchstr 2 108 "ERROR\13\10"
!
! Check Access Point Name stored in dialstring (VarString 1)
! If APN is set to None, ignore it
!
ifstr 1 7 "None"
ifstr 1 7 "none"
ifstr 1 7 "NONE"
!
! Set APN using +CGDCONT=1,"IP","<APN>"
!
write "AT+CGDCONT=1,\34IP\34,\34^1\34\13"
jump 8
!
!
@LABEL 7
!
! No APN
!
write "AT\13"
!
!
@LABEL 8
!
! Check response
!
matchread 60
iftries 3 101
inctries
jump 6
!
!
@LABEL 9
!
! Subroutine: Attempt to reset the phone
!
DTRClear
pause 5
DTRSet
flush
return
!
!
@LABEL 10
!
! Setup complete
!
ifANSWER 32
!
!
! ---- Place a call ----
!
@LABEL 20
!
!
note "Making network connection" 3
write "ATD*99***1#\13"
!
!
! ---- Connect response ----
!
! Parses successful connect responses in the following format:
! CARRIER xxxxx
! PROTOCOL: ppp
! COMPRESSION: ccc
! CONNECT zzzzz
!
@LABEL 32
matchclr
matchstr 1 81 "RING\13\10"
matchstr 2 102 "NO DIALTONE\13\10"
matchstr 3 103 "NO CARRIER"
matchstr 4 103 "ERROR\13\10"
matchstr 5 104 "BUSY\13\10"
matchstr 6 105 "NO ANSWER\13\10"
matchstr 7 34 "CARRIER"
matchstr 8 34 "CONNECT"
matchstr 9 61 "PROTOCOL"
matchstr 10 66 "COMPRESSION"
matchread 700
ifANSWER 32
jump 105
!
!
! CARRIER/CONNECT parsing
!
@LABEL 34
!
! 2400 and 4800 have three entries each
! to distinguish them from 24000 and 48000
!
matchclr
matchstr 1 40 "2400\13"
matchstr 2 40 "2400/"
matchstr 3 40 "2400 "
matchstr 4 41 "4800\13"
matchstr 5 41 "4800/"
matchstr 6 41 "4800 "
matchstr 7 42 "7200"
matchstr 8 43 "9600"
matchstr 9 44 "12000"
matchstr 10 45 "14400"
matchstr 11 46 "19200"
matchstr 12 51 "28800"
matchstr 13 52 "38400"
matchstr 14 53 "57600"
matchstr 15 54 "115200"
matchstr 16 54 "115,200"
matchstr 17 55 "230400"
matchstr 17 56 "460800"
matchread 10
jump 59
!
! -- Connection rates --
!
! CommunicatingAt informs ARA of the link speed
!
@LABEL 40
note "Communicating at 2400 bps." 2
CommunicatingAt 2400
jump 60
!
@LABEL 41
note "Communicating at 4800 bps." 2
CommunicatingAt 4800
jump 60
!
@LABEL 42
note "Communicating at 7200 bps." 2
CommunicatingAt 7200
jump 60
!
@LABEL 43
note "Communicating at 9600 bps." 2
CommunicatingAt 9600
jump 60
!
@LABEL 44
note "Communicating at 12400 bps." 2
CommunicatingAt 12400
jump 60
!
@LABEL 45
note "Communicating at 14400 bps." 2
CommunicatingAt 14400
jump 60
!
@LABEL 46
note "Communicating at 19200 bps." 2
CommunicatingAt 19200
jump 60
!
@LABEL 51
note "Communicating at 28800 bps." 2
CommunicatingAt 28800
jump 60
!
@LABEL 52
note "Communicating at 38400 bps." 2
CommunicatingAt 38400
jump 60
!
@LABEL 53
note "Communicating at 57600 bps." 2
CommunicatingAt 57600
jump 60
!
@LABEL 54
note "Communicating at 115200 bps." 2
CommunicatingAt 115200
jump 60
!
@LABEL 55
note "Communicating at 230400 bps." 2
CommunicatingAt 230400
jump 60
!
@LABEL 56
note "Communicating at 460800 bps." 2
CommunicatingAt 460800
jump 60
!
@LABEL 59
note "Communicating at an unknown rate." 2
!
@LABEL 60
jump 70
!
! -- PROTOCOL parsing --
!
! Userhook 2 informs ARA that a modem-to-modem error
! correcting protocol has been negotiated
!
@LABEL 61
matchclr
matchstr 1 63 "NONE"
matchstr 2 62 "LAPM"
matchstr 3 62 "ALT"
matchstr 4 63 "\13"
matchread 10
jump 63
!
@LABEL 62
note "Modem Reliable Link Established." 2
userhook 2
!
@LABEL 63
jump 32
!
! -- COMPRESSION parsing --
!
! Userhook 3 informs ARA that a modem-to-modem compression
! protocol has been negotiated
!
@LABEL 66
matchclr
matchstr 1 68 "NONE"
matchstr 2 67 "V42B"
matchstr 3 67 "MNP5"
matchstr 4 68 "\13"
matchread 10
jump 68
!
@LABEL 67
note "Modem Compression Established." 2
userhook 3
!
@LABEL 68
jump 32
!
!
! -- Normal exit after "CONNECT" --
!
!
@LABEL 70
!
! Turn CTS on, for hardware flow control
!
HSReset 0 1 0 0 0 0
!
ifANSWER 71
pause 30
!
@LABEL 71
exit 0
!
!
! ---- Answer calls ----
!
! A RING result from the modem and in ANSWERING mode
! claims the serial port and answering the phone
!
@LABEL 81
ifORIGINATE 32
userhook 1
note "Answering phone..." 2
write "ATA\13"
jump 32
!
!
! ---- Hang up and reset modem ----
!
@HANGUP
@LABEL 90
settries 0
HSReset 0 0 0 0 0 0
!
@LABEL 92
!
! Escape from data to command mode
!
matchclr
matchstr 1 94 "OK\13\10"
pause 11
write "+++"
matchread 20
!
@LABEL 94
!
! Send hangup command
!
pause 10
matchclr
matchstr 1 98 "NO CARRIER\13\10"
matchstr 2 98 "OK\13\10"
matchstr 3 98 "ERROR\13\10"
matchstr 4 98 "0\13\10"
write "ATH0\13"
matchread 30
!
! If that fails, toggle DTR
!
DTRClear
pause 5
DTRSet
flush
!
! Try this three times only
!
inctries
iftries 3 101
jump 92
!
!
@LABEL 98
!
! Reset phone to default settings
!
pause 10
matchclr
matchstr 1 99 "OK\13\10"
write "AT&F\13"
matchread 30
jump 101
!
@LABEL 99
exit 0
!
! ---- Error messages -----
!
! Modem Not Responding
@LABEL 101
exit -6019
!
! No Dial Tone
@LABEL 102
exit -6020
!
! No Carrier or Error
@LABEL 103
exit -6021
!
! Busy
@LABEL 104
exit -6022
!
! No Answer
@LABEL 105
exit -6023
!
! User Cancellation
@LABEL 107
exit -6008
!
@LABEL 108
note "The phone or network does not seem to support the HSDPA options required for this script" 1
ask 2 "The phone or network does not seem to support the HSDPA options required for this script"
exit -6002
!
@LABEL 109
note "This script is only suitable for Nokia mobile phones" 1
ask 2 "This script is only suitable for Nokia mobile phones"
exit -6002
!
@LABEL 110
note "DO NOT put *99... in the telephone number - use the Access Point Name (APN) for your network instead" 1
ask 2 "DO NOT put *99... in the telephone number - use the Access Point Name (APN) for your network instead"
exit -6002

Hiroshi
Sep 23, 2007, 03:01 AM
Hi, i've downloaded the same script, but I don't know how to set the phone.
Have you detailed information ?

My Mac has *99***CID# string in the number field and in the Remote Access I've set the apn of my carrier.
I'think thet i've problem with the phone configuration.

Thank you.

nationwide
Sep 24, 2007, 07:50 AM
WAP.CINGULAR should be in the number field in all caps

justinkim
Oct 4, 2007, 12:19 PM
I'm having an interesting problem with DUN -

Bought and iPhone and deactivated the service on my old phone (a Sony Ericcson w810i).

Taking the iPhone sim out and putting it back into the w810, I can dial and get to Media.net with no problems.

However, DUN has stopped working. These are my network settings:
Account Name: WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM
Password: CINGULAR1
Telephone number: WAP.CINGULAR

The connect log is this:
Thu Oct 4 12:13:44 2007 : Sony Ericsson 3G CID2
Thu Oct 4 12:13:44 2007 : Making network connection
Thu Oct 4 12:13:50 2007 : Serial connection established.
Thu Oct 4 12:13:50 2007 : Using interface ppp0
Thu Oct 4 12:13:50 2007 : Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/cu.Bluetooth-Modem
Thu Oct 4 12:13:52 2007 : LCP terminated by peer
Thu Oct 4 12:13:53 2007 : Hangup (SIGHUP)
Thu Oct 4 12:13:53 2007 : Modem hangup
Thu Oct 4 12:13:53 2007 : Connection terminated.

If Media.net had stopped working, I'd assume that data services just don't work any more with the new SIM.

Anyone have any ideas on what's going on?

NewOldbie
Jan 22, 2008, 06:04 PM
My MacBook Pro too a dump last week and I've lost the settings for teathering my V3.

Since I also switched to a V9, was wondering if anyone has used this phone for 3/3.5G access on AT&T's network?

If you do, what are your settings?

Thanks.

NewOldbie
Jan 29, 2008, 01:37 AM
Okay, just got the latest settings running with 10.5.1, Motorola RazR V9 on AT&T, thought I'd share:

Using WAP.CINGULAR

Motorola HSDPA CID1 script

D/L 1384 kbps
U/L 295 kbps

I'm pretty happy.

43skidoo
Nov 8, 2008, 07:08 PM
Worked awesomely for me with my Razor. Thanks! :D

smitty825
Nov 10, 2008, 03:41 PM
How does everybody connect using Leopard? I'm getting really slow speeds with my Sony Ericsson K850i on the old AT&T Wireless network. The browser on the phone is able to download at very high speeds (greater than 1kbps), but when I tether to my Mac, I usually get less than 50kbps with lots of packet loss.

I've performed the tricks listed in this thread. I was wondering if I was connecting to my phone incorrectly? I use the Bluetooth icon in the menu bar, select the k850i-> then select "Connect to Network"

MacTheRiverRat
Dec 7, 2008, 03:53 PM
Anyone doing this like I did should STOP !!! I was doing this and one day I just happen to check my ATT bill online. It was almost $3600n dollars. I stopped doing it and the next months bill was just as bad for data used of about $3500 dollars. After about 100 phone calls and numerous rep run who were of no help or rude. Well I got it all straighten out and only end up paying $150 fee when they could have made me pay the $7100. IMHO, do what you want but you should be forewarned that it could happen to you. I now use verizon wireless which so far has been great. but thats always subject to change. This is not bad mouthing ATT and pumping Verizon. Both are just about the same IMHO! I have just gotten better wireless internet coverage on place that I never thought I would because on my work.

smitty825
Dec 11, 2008, 09:04 AM
How does everybody connect using Leopard? I'm getting really slow speeds with my Sony Ericsson K850i on the old AT&T Wireless network. The browser on the phone is able to download at very high speeds (greater than 1kbps), but when I tether to my Mac, I usually get less than 50kbps with lots of packet loss.

I've performed the tricks listed in this thread. I was wondering if I was connecting to my phone incorrectly? I use the Bluetooth icon in the menu bar, select the k850i-> then select "Connect to Network"

Hmm...I've been doing some research. When performing the steps above, you connect via Bluetooth PAN. No more modem scripts are required, as the phone sets up an internet connection, then creates an IP-over-Bluetooth network for my computer to connect with.

When I use Opera Mini on my phone to test download speeds, I frequently see download speeds in excess of 1000kbps. (I'm connected to the 3G network) However, using Bluetooth PAN, my experiences are horrible. My connection speed is rarely above 70kbps, and the lag time is awful. (It feels like it takes 15+ seconds to perform DNS lookups). I've performed some networking tasks in the past, and looking at the data flowing through Wireshark looks ok. (Though, I'm not an expert) Sending ICMP Pings frequently fail.

Since I don't have any better ideas, I'm guessing that the problem might be the bluetooth connection between the computer and the phone. Does anyone have any ideas places that I can look to debug this issue?

MacTheRiverRat
Dec 11, 2008, 12:05 PM
Well like I said in my above post. If one is tethering their phone's to their computer's be prepared to get caught. It was jaw dropping for me. Who can come up with $7100 dollars now a days anyway. I can find better thing to do with money like that.

mi_canuck
Apr 24, 2009, 12:07 AM
Okay, just got the latest settings running with 10.5.1, Motorola RazR V9 on AT&T, thought I'd share:

Using WAP.CINGULAR

Motorola HSDPA CID1 script

D/L 1384 kbps
U/L 295 kbps

I'm pretty happy.

wow - that is great speeds for bluetooth...

running 10.5.6, with a V3XX (predecessor to the V9), on AT&T... using wap.cingular as well...

I get about 800kbps down and 300kbps up max... the speeds you're getting over bluetooth is what i get over USB... 1300+ dwn / 300+ up

i'm curious about this "Motorola HSDPA C1 script".... in my network preferences, all I see is GPRS/3G when selecting Motorola as the "modem" type, and then C1


cheers

MacTheRiverRat
Apr 25, 2009, 02:19 PM
Like my above posts state. Go ahead and do the tethering at your own RISK! You may get away with for awhile but when you get a outrageous cell phone bill for stealing data don't say U weren't WARNED by me !

IMHO- TETHERING = USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! or your $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$ down the drain.

Cold Warrior
Apr 25, 2009, 02:29 PM
Do you have an iPhone that you tethered? If not then were you on a per-MB plan or one with a cap that (it sounds like) you violated?

Tethering isn't something to fear so long as the user is aware of their plans limits.

MacTheRiverRat
Apr 25, 2009, 03:07 PM
I had a V551 and I ended up with a 1.5 gig bill of almost $7100. In the end I had to only pay $150. It scared me away from tethering. I haven't got a iphone yet but I guess the iphone can tether to a macbook?

?????

smitty825
Jun 18, 2009, 11:08 AM
Well, as I posted above, I had some problems with really slow tethering speeds. However, with the Bluetooth update that Apple provided for broadcom chipsets, my problems went away!

I can now consistently ping servers at around 200ms, and the speed-tests I perform usually show about 750kbps down and 550 up. (Oh, and I'm posting this without issue using my phone!)