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Dakar the Fourth Aug 21, 2008 08:48 AM
Marketplace Postwhores
I'm curious if you guys plan on doing anything when this occurs.
 
Maflynn Aug 21, 2008 08:51 AM
The link is dead
 
Dakar the Fourth Aug 21, 2008 08:55 AM
Odd, still works for me.
 
davidg14 Aug 21, 2008 09:07 AM
Sorry - no matches. Please try some different terms.
 
Dakar the Fourth Aug 21, 2008 09:08 AM
Edited, try it now guys.
 
davidg14 Aug 21, 2008 09:35 AM
Like 5 posts in the last few days.
Something to sell, buy and some random advice.

What's the problem?
 
Dakar the Fourth Aug 21, 2008 09:40 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by davidg14 (Post 3711357)
Like 5 posts in the last few days.
Something to sell, buy and some random advice.

What's the problem?
The streak of one line posts he did to get to 100 posts.
 
davidg14 Aug 21, 2008 10:02 AM
Sorry didn't know this 100 post rule.
 
moep Aug 21, 2008 11:13 AM
Maybe accounts should have a post count of 100 AND be registered for a minimum of 3 months (for example) to be eligible for posting on the Marketplace?

or just

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/73/banhimin3.jpg
 
Railroader Aug 21, 2008 11:22 AM
Eh, it is annoying.

I kind of understand the 100 post count rule. I guess it does discourage the fly-by-night potential scammer, but the rest of us have to put up with annoying one-liners and "me to"s posting. But what's to stop someone from scamming after 100 posts?

Simply, buyer be ware. Before I buy from a Market Place poster, I will read his previous posts.
 
Maflynn Aug 21, 2008 12:53 PM
me too












couldn't resist :D
 
OreoCookie Aug 21, 2008 01:01 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Railroader (Post 3711398)
Eh, it is annoying.

I kind of understand the 100 post count rule. I guess it does discourage the fly-by-night potential scammer, but the rest of us have to put up with annoying one-liners and "me to"s posting. But what's to stop someone from scamming after 100 posts?
The Marketplace was (much to my surprise) the most taxing subforum here on MacNN. It has worn out experienced mods and we had to change something, because unlike any other forum, it's serious business and about money. The 100 post rule seemed reasonable to exclude scammers and such from the start. This guy is just the exception to the rule (Make something idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot.). We will deal with him. I'm not a mod in the Marketplace, but I'll give the local mods and admins a heads up.

Perhaps something similar to macrumors will help: stop making posts in the Marketplace count.

So hang in there, guys.
 
Dakar the Fourth Aug 21, 2008 01:07 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by OreoCookie (Post 3711440)
So hang in there, guys.
Yeah, it's not like I'm upset or anything, but it's definitely the predictable side-effect of the rule, and I thought you guys might wanna know.

Far as I can tell (I glanced at his history) I think it's a former seller.
I take it there's no way to grandfather some of these guys in?
 
reader50 Aug 21, 2008 01:35 PM
It would be impractical of staff time to try and spot "padders" - this guy made it obvious, but what if he'd put more time into fleshing out his answers? A day's work consulting Search, Apple Support, and a few other helpful sites would allow some very good answers.

You'd have to spot the padding based on a few days of heavy replies, followed by Marketplace threads, followed by no further tech-forum replies. I'm not even sure we should be against helpful posts in the tech forums. The Marketplace mods can do that if they like - it's up to them if they want to interpret the rule in that fashion.

I view the rule as a simple block against insta-scammer arrivals, and as a way to force research info to be available. Prospective customers can Search a poster, and get at lest 100 posts to examine. They'll see padding posts.

We can't make the Marketplace foolproof. Customers still have to practice due diligence, and check the info we've made available. Which seems to have happened - the poster Dakar pointed out has since posted his Market thread. No replies so far - looks like people are seeing the padding posts.
 
Dakar the Fourth Aug 21, 2008 01:51 PM
I'm not concerned with sussing these guys out. If you're posting to get to 100 and no one notices, then it couldn't have been that bad. But if someone is being obvious about it, should we ignore it? Report them? (Seems strong. And then what's the appropriate action against them? Delete the whore-like posts?)

Sure he could have fleshed out his replies better, but with the ones in gaming (which is why I noticed), it's my contention that even if he wrote stuff that was reply worthy, it'd be of no use, since I think it's unlikely he's going continue any discussion he starts (once he hits 100). That would be my only other problem with the matter.

Don't get me wrong Reader, I don't think this is an issue yet, but this event just highlights what was my only concern with the 100 post requirement, and I only noticed it because some of it was in one of the lesser traveled forums.
[/end serious Dakar]
 
Simon Aug 21, 2008 02:14 PM
I think the 100 post rule and the previous enforcement of the rule has been entirely adequate. It's absolutely true that you cannot make a fool-proof set of rules. But there's no need to either. All that's needed is a little extra action. This guy has made it very easy. Just ban him, delete his market and whore posts and we're back to regular business.
 
Dakar the Fourth Aug 21, 2008 02:24 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Simon (Post 3711499)
previous enforcement of the rule has been entirely adequate.
Dude, the rule has been in effect not even two months.
 
Simon Aug 21, 2008 02:34 PM
And how many cases have we had to discuss so far? Looks pretty good to me. All I'm trying to say is that it's my impression the mods seem to have a reasonable approach at handling these things.
 
Dakar the Fourth Aug 21, 2008 02:49 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Simon (Post 3711515)
And how many cases have we had to discuss so far?
How many people do you think have signed up just for the Marketplace in that time? C'mon less than two months is a terrible sample size.

Quote, Originally Posted by Simon (Post 3711515)
All I'm trying to say is that it's my impression the mods seem to have a reasonable approach at handling these things.
And all I'm asking is how should I handle any suspected (ha) postwhores in the future.
 
Railroader Aug 21, 2008 02:54 PM
The problem with the rule, is that it causes some of the drama to flood into other forums. I am not saying it is a major deal, but it does seem to promote the +1 and "me too" posting styles.
 
reader50 Aug 21, 2008 02:56 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by moep (Post 3711392)
... or just

banhimin3.jpg
Quote, Originally Posted by Simon (Post 3711499)
This guy has made it very easy. Just ban him, delete his market and whore posts and we're back to regular business.
Boy, you guys are tough. :)

I checked his previous posts, the ones before the padding. He's been around a couple years, and appears to be a normal Marketplace participant, with no complaints against him. The 100-rule is a local Market one, and his posts in other forums do not break any general rules.

If we modify the 100-posts rule to lower it for longer-term members (it's being considered) then he might qualify without the padding. So we'd be banning him without warning for not breaking any rules, and possibly because we didn't make up our minds fast enough on a market rule tweak.
 
D. S. Troyer Aug 22, 2008 04:30 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by reader50 (Post 3711531)
Boy, you guys are tough. :)
Hmmm...I thought there was a rule against threads about other members?

I'm gonna tell this guy and suggest he put in a complaint.

Mods and admins even posted in it.

Is there rules for certain people and not others?

I suggest deleting the link

AND...

http://i30.tinypic.com/16h0ryv.jpg
 
D. S. Troyer Aug 22, 2008 04:40 AM
Message sent.

Quote
There is a thread about you in the feedback forum. This is against the rules. No threads about other members.

I'd suggest you visit this thread and submit a complaint against the original thread starter.

http://forums.macnn.com/61/feedback/...s/#post3711334
 
Simon Aug 22, 2008 06:06 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by D. S. Troyer (Post 3711771)
Hmmm...I thought there was a rule against threads about other members?
I'm gonna tell this guy and suggest he put in a complaint.
This thread is not about this guy, but about how to handle post whoring by people who want to post in the Marketplace. This guy was a recent example for such behavior. I see no violation of the forum rules in this thread.
 
Cold Warrior Aug 22, 2008 08:23 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by D. S. Troyer (Post 3711771)
Hmmm...I thought there was a rule against threads about other members?

I'm gonna tell this guy and suggest he put in a complaint.

Mods and admins even posted in it.

Is there rules for certain people and not others?

I suggest deleting the link

AND...
Quote, Originally Posted by D. S. Troyer (Post 3711772)
Message sent.
This is a legit feedback thread because it's about general policy. The original link was for reference to frame the discussion.
 
Dakar the Fourth Aug 22, 2008 09:16 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by reader50 (Post 3711531)
I checked his previous posts, the ones before the padding. He's been around a couple years, and appears to be a normal Marketplace participant,
That's pretty much the impression I got from a quick glance at his post history. I figured he was a former seller who got douched by the new rules. Which is why I suggested the possibility of grandfathering some people in.

You didn't answer my question though – if someone (particularly a member with less than one or two stars) suddenly does some massive one line replies in one of the forums, should we report it as possible padding or just ignore it and hope the system takes care of it?
 
Timo Aug 22, 2008 11:56 AM
At 5000 posts I'm gonna spam the marketplace. Al-most ... there!
 
Railroader Aug 22, 2008 12:15 PM
I thought I was the only one.
 
reader50 Aug 22, 2008 01:42 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by D. S. Troyer (Post 3711771)
Hmmm...I thought there was a rule against threads about other members?
Feedback allows a bit more than other forums, and as pointed out by others, the question is primarily aimed at policy. Also, the thread title is "Marketplace Postwhores" which is incompatible with a single member.

Quote, Originally Posted by Dakar the Fourth (Post 3711834)
You didn't answer my question though – if someone (particularly a member with less than one or two stars) suddenly does some massive one line replies in one of the forums, should we report it as possible padding or just ignore it and hope the system takes care of it?
We're playing it by ear so far. If the posts are of no value to the forums they are in, you could report it for general post-whoring, or off-topic. Otherwise, leave the padding posts for prospective customers to see.

A Marketplace rule can't apply outside the Marketplace - that's not fair to the other forums. Sound reasonable enough?
 
bpl323 Aug 22, 2008 06:31 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by D. S. Troyer (Post 3711772)
Message sent.
I appreciate your concern, but I do believe it is a valid topic that needs to be discussed. Yes, I was trying to get up to 100 posts, but didn't think I was violating any rules.

I've successfully traded in the forums before the 100 post rule and was a bit upset when it was initiated. Being as I read the forums a lot, but have little to add to discussions or the time to really post I thought it was unfair. Perhaps a trader rating system like a few other forums I've trade in would be a valuable addition. I traded a 16GB iPod touch here before the 100 post rule without issues. That in addition to my other trades would give me a pretty good feedback rating here allowing others to see that I can be trusted. That also lets you be cautious of people with 0 feedback selling a new MacBook for $400 or something crazy like that.
 
D. S. Troyer Aug 23, 2008 12:48 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by reader50 (Post 3712051)
Feedback allows a bit more than other forums, and as pointed out by others, the question is primarily aimed at policy. Also, the thread title is "Marketplace Postwhores" which is incompatible with a single member.

Most of the discussion was about a certain member. That and a link to this member makes your point moot and it fails. No member had to be singled out.

Link should be deleted.
 
macwall Aug 23, 2008 03:41 AM
Well I'm a former seller and now that the 100 post went into place I have to make like 70 semi intelligent posts to resume selling :( I have like 100 private messages though.
 
OreoCookie Aug 23, 2008 05:08 AM
@bpl323,macwall
You can pm a mod or an admin, about this. We can make exception if the Marketplace mods agree (this is only for people who already have a track record here).

@Atomic Rooster
It should have been clear from the start (i. e. as soon as staff has chimed in) that we think this is a legit feedback thread. Even the member who you're trying to `protect' agrees with this. He has been treated fairly. Without the link, I doubt anyone would really understand what this thread is all about.
 
Maflynn Aug 23, 2008 07:35 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by macwall (Post 3712346)
Well I'm a former seller and now that the 100 post went into place I have to make like 70 semi intelligent posts to resume selling :( I have like 100 private messages though.
Semi intelligent? You haven't looked in the lounge have you. There's nothing intelligent going on in there :p
 
Dakar the Fourth Aug 25, 2008 10:55 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by reader50 (Post 3712051)
We're playing it by ear so far. If the posts are of no value to the forums they are in, you could report it for general post-whoring, or off-topic. Otherwise, leave the padding posts for prospective customers to see.
Alright.

Quote, Originally Posted by OreoCookie (Post 3712372)
@Atomic Rooster
h, that's who it was? I was wondering why a relative newb was so uppity.
 
Simon Aug 25, 2008 12:24 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Dakar the Fourth (Post 3713103)
h, that's who it was? I was wondering why a relative newb was so uppity.
And I thought Oreo had just mixed the names up. :lol:
 
analogika Aug 27, 2008 04:27 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by reader50 (Post 3711466)
It would be impractical of staff time to try and spot "padders" - this guy made it obvious, but what if he'd put more time into fleshing out his answers? A day's work consulting Search, Apple Support, and a few other helpful sites would allow some very good answers.
That would qualify as useful content, though, which is not subject to complaints.
 
OreoCookie Aug 27, 2008 05:34 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Simon (Post 3713151)
And I thought Oreo had just mixed the names up. :lol:
I often do mix things up when half of my brain is still in Hilbert space.
This was not one of those times ;)
 
Simon Aug 27, 2008 08:33 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by OreoCookie (Post 3714241)
I often do mix things up when half of my brain is still in Hilbert space.
:lol: Interesting. I usually had trouble even getting a small party of my brain into Hilbert space. And you manage to keep half of it there for prolonged periods of time? I'm impressed. :thumbsup:
 
OreoCookie Aug 27, 2008 10:54 AM
I usually try to get fully submerged. It requires training. Especially finding your way back out is difficult in infinite dimensions ;)
 
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