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davidflas Apr 4, 2007 09:41 AM
8 Core Mac Pros Arrive
As an $1500 option, no other changes :(
 
SamGuy Apr 4, 2007 09:49 AM
I got online right at 7:30 and found this out. Posted it at MacLife Forums.. but couldn't remember my password here. had to reset it.. only to find that you've posted it.
I fail.

Oh well.

It's about time.
 
blicked Apr 4, 2007 09:49 AM
Wow.. Imagine that- It's priced as an option that only someone that really truly NEEDS the extra power could justify.

I for one am still feeling pretty damn happy with my mundane 4 Core 2.66Ghz Mac Pro. 8 )
 
mfbernstein Apr 4, 2007 09:55 AM
CTO, 3GHZ, starting at $4k. And Mac prices are officially back in the stratosphere. Ships in 3-5 days.
 
Big Mac Apr 4, 2007 10:00 AM
Strange update.
 
ajprice Apr 4, 2007 10:12 AM
Also new prices on the Cinema Displays. Odd though that the 8 core is an extra option above the 3GHz, I thought they might have moved up to 4 x 2.66GHz, 4 x 3.0GHz and 8 x 3.0GHz range and dropped the 2GHz, or done something else to the range.
 
arng1 Apr 4, 2007 10:22 AM
I thought Apple would hold off on this for a lttle longer and maybe change the look of the mac pro as well. Ive been reading alot of rumors that the pros were gonna get a redesign soon, guess only half was true. Cool upgrade though, my 2.66ghz quad will just have to do for now (sigh).....lol J/K, I love my MP;)
 
Eug Apr 4, 2007 10:28 AM
Yeah, I also would have thought they would have added a 2.66 GHz octo option. Mind you, if you're gonna go 8 then you may as well go for the top-of-the-line. 24 GHz! ;)

It's lame that the Cinema Displays still don't have HDCP support. It's also odd they haven't added a Blu-ray or HD DVD option yet.
 
doublep Apr 4, 2007 10:34 AM
What shall it be called ? The Mactopus?
 
sahara Apr 4, 2007 10:34 AM
Well this is really lame. Here I am waiting so long for the refreshed Mac Pro line before I upgrade this old Quicksilver, only to find out I could have bought a 2.66ghz Mac Pro at any time.
 
SamGuy Apr 4, 2007 10:35 AM
24GHz?
 
imitchellg5 Apr 4, 2007 10:36 AM
I can't understand why you would get the 8 core Mac Pro when most programs can't even take advantage of 4 cores.
 
Eug Apr 4, 2007 10:43 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by SamGuy (Post 3345033)
24GHz?
Doh. Yeah. I guess I fail basic math today. :brick:


Quote, Originally Posted by imitchellg5 (Post 3345036)
I can't understand why you would get the 8 core Mac Pro when most programs can't even take advantage of 4 cores.
If you can't understand why you need 8 cores, then you don't need 8 cores. ;) :stick:

Hint:

1) Some programs can take advantage of 8 cores.
2) Many people run more than one program at a time.

P.S. A recent H.264 video encode of mine took over 3 days on a dual-core Core 2 Duo iMac, maxing out both cores.
And I just do this for fun... :p

http://www.eugbanana.com/files/Apple/2.5DayEncode.jpg
 
Chuckit Apr 4, 2007 10:54 AM
Man, I was hoping the octos would knock the quads down a bit in price. No such luck!
 
Simon Apr 4, 2007 11:05 AM
I'm surprised they're shipping it in 3-5 days although Intel hasn't launched the 3.0 GHz Clovertown yet.

There has been some talk about an alleged Xeon X5365 (the 3 GHz Clovertown), but if you search intel.com for that string you'll find nothing.
 
Aron Peterson Apr 4, 2007 11:13 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by SamGuy (Post 3345033)
24GHz?
Real world performance maxing out all 8 cores will be equivalent to an hypothetical single core 11-14Ghz processor. That is not bad considering in 1999 Intel predicted a 10Ghz CPU in 2010.
 
Aron Peterson Apr 4, 2007 11:15 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by imitchellg5 (Post 3345036)
I can't understand why you would get the 8 core Mac Pro when most programs can't even take advantage of 4 cores.
Most 3D, animation and compositing apps allow you to set how many threads are used for rendering. Lightwave offers 8 threaded rendering. modo offers 16 threads for wickedly fast high quality ray-tracing.
 
dpicardi Apr 4, 2007 11:35 AM
I'll add that I too am disappointed that there is no change in pricing for the older mac pros and am baffled that there isn't an octo option for the slower cores.
 
Eug Apr 4, 2007 11:42 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Simon (Post 3345061)
I'm surprised they're shipping it in 3-5 days although Intel hasn't launched the 3.0 GHz Clovertown yet.
Interesting, good point.

Quote
There has been some talk about an alleged Xeon X5365 (the 3 GHz Clovertown), but if you search intel.com for that string you'll find nothing.
The 3.0 GHz Clovertown was already publicly announced by Intel a while back, although I thought it was supposed to come later. I just checked the Dell website and I do not see it there either.
 
Cadaver Apr 4, 2007 11:42 AM
Jeepers...!

http://homepage.mac.com/xraydoc/.Pictures/octo.png

But, if you've got the bucks, I guess why not.
 
MarkLT1 Apr 4, 2007 11:46 AM
Sorry Apple, but I gotta give this one a big "Meh..."

Yeah, the 8 core setup is nice, but the entire rest of the line is starting to feel very dated, especially in terms of video cards (yay- I can choose from a totally anemic 7300GT which has no place in a high end machine, a year-old X1900 XT, or a year-old FX-4500).

Heck, even with the 8-core, you are still limited to 16GB of RAM. I can think of many cases where if I am fully utilizing 8 cores, 4GB of RAM per core would come in handy.

Two things are becoming apparent in my mind when it comes to apple:
1) Their focus is 99% on consumers- iPod, iPhone, iMac. High end workstations are definitely not a priority.
2) Hardware wise, if they keep playing the game like they did with Motorola (i.e.- tiny speed bumps every 12 months), they are going to have trouble justifying their hardware costs. On a desktop machine 2 things rule- processors and video cards. Offering year+ old video cards at the prices they want is just not good. I understand the issues involved with video cards on these machines, and that you cant just slap in a PC vid card, but c'mon Apple- you gotta start working with, nudging, pushing your vendors into helping out a bit. Get SLI working, offer an X1950XT or even (GASP) a NV 8800 line card, and if you are going to charge high end prices for your video cards, at least give us a high end card that is using recent technology.

I also understand that Apple has a business to run, and right now the iPod seems to be their bread and butter. But from a higher end user/consumer, it is just starting to feel a bit frustrating.

Sorry for the rant- just a bit frustrated: APPLE- are you listening? I WANT TO GIVE YOU MY MONEY. MAKE IT WORTH MY WHILE.
 
dantewaters Apr 4, 2007 12:00 PM
Yea the wait wasn't worth it (at least for me)

I seems it would be best to get a refurbished 2.66 with the ati 1900
rather than buying a brand new one, save some dollars.

Then later on in the year get a octo setup.
2 computers beat one any day.

Man they need to work on their high end setups.
 
G5man Apr 4, 2007 12:14 PM
They need to drop the price for 2.66 to around 2100 or so. Also add some graphics card updates, if they just have to work on mac specific drivers, might as well just offer those for extra to use any windows standard PCIe card and just get mac drivers. Then, we could all keep up to date with the PC world.

Besides, 8 cores can't be fully utilized by software yet in the gaming world.
 
Eug Apr 4, 2007 12:21 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by G5man (Post 3345136)
Besides, 8 cores can't be fully utilized by software yet in the gaming world.
And your point is?
 
Simon Apr 4, 2007 12:25 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Eug (Post 3345103)
The 3.0 GHz Clovertown was already publicly announced by Intel a while back
No, actually Intel has never mentioned the 3.0GHz Clovertown officially. Here's the search result for X5365 on intel.com. It returns nothing. Quite in contrast to a search for the existing X5355.

Here's Intel's official 5300 series web page. Not a single mention of a 3 GHz Clovertown.

There was however a DailyTech.com article about the X5365 three weeks ago. They claim it will be released July 2007.
 
Simon Apr 4, 2007 12:30 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by G5man (Post 3345136)
Besides, 8 cores can't be fully utilized by software yet in the gaming world.
So what? Who's more likely to spend $5k on a workstation: gamers or scientist computing people? The latter. And it's also the latter who know perfectly well what to do with 8 cores.
 
Eug Apr 4, 2007 12:38 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Simon (Post 3345147)
No, actually Intel has never mentioned the 3.0GHz Clovertown officially. Here's the search result for X5365 on intel.com. It returns nothing. Quite in contrast to a search for the existing X5355.

Here's Intel's official 5300 series web page. Not a single mention of a 3 GHz Clovertown.

There was however a DailyTech.com article about the X5365 three weeks ago. They claim it will be released July 2007.
I guess to be more accurate:

Intel did mention a 3 GHz Clovertown, but it wasn't a formal press release. It was during a conference call with analysts, back in Feb. Intel said they would release the 3 GHz part, but I don't think they gave an actual X53x5 name to it (back then), and it was only a verbal announcement.

BTW, I believe they said it was supposed to be a Q3 release, but I had thought they meant calendar Q3.
 
SamGuy Apr 4, 2007 12:48 PM
so lets get this straight. is apple Early or Late with 8 cores?
 
Simon Apr 4, 2007 12:50 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Eug (Post 3345160)
BTW, I believe they said it was supposed to be a Q3 release, but I had thought they meant calendar Q3.
Well either it's financial Q3 (but still no Intel press release yet) or Intel is indeed doing a July intro and is just giving Apple (their new buddy) a head start. ;)
 
Simon Apr 4, 2007 12:52 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by SamGuy (Post 3345169)
so lets get this straight. is apple Early or Late with 8 cores?
They are late with eight [now that sounds stupid!], but early with eight cores at 3 GHz. Currently the fastest eight core Clovertown you could buy is the 2.66 GHz X5355. Obviously Apple is using a Clovertown that Intel hasn't officially released yet.
 
schalliol Apr 4, 2007 12:55 PM
It appears to me that there is one small update to the other machines, the bottom drive is a 250GB unit.
 
Leonard Apr 4, 2007 01:17 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by imitchellg5 (Post 3345036)
I can't understand why you would get the 8 core Mac Pro when most programs can't even take advantage of 4 cores.
It'll last the next 3 years as Intel increases the number of cores from 8 to 16 to xx... Let's face it, Intel is now in the CPU cores race. Software in the next year will be taking advantage of 4 or more cores.

I was also disappointed by this update. I expected at least a new higher-end graphics card. Man, the Mac graphics card market seems to be losing steam...
 
anthology123 Apr 4, 2007 01:19 PM
Why are people surprised? They did this before, make the highest margin on this, they are not going to give 8-cores away like most PC companies would. There will likely be a full line of 8 core Mac Pros when the new Tower design is announced. This may just be a kuldge to get 8 core in, there might be a new motherboard design in the works in tandem with a new Tower to make the 8 core line more modern and up to date.
 
chabig Apr 4, 2007 01:24 PM
Time for the obligatory Dell comparison:

Apple: $3997
Dell: $4695
 
Eug Apr 4, 2007 01:36 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by chabig (Post 3345207)
Time for the obligatory Dell comparison:

Apple: $3997
Dell: $4695
Uh, specs?
 
mac128k-1984 Apr 4, 2007 02:02 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by G5man (Post 3345136)
Besides, 8 cores can't be fully utilized by software yet in the gaming world.
Gaming world? Why would anyone want to buy a quad core machine to play games. :confused:
 
Aron Peterson Apr 4, 2007 02:40 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by mac128k-1984 (Post 3345238)
Gaming world? Why would anyone want to buy a quad core machine to play games. :confused:
The PS3 has seven cores and runs Yellow Dog Linux, Blu-ray movies and games ;)
 
onlyone-jc Apr 4, 2007 04:07 PM
Is this a US-only release? I don't see them in the UK store...
 
mdc Apr 4, 2007 04:15 PM
For sake of conversation, what could you use today that would take advantage of 8 cores? What environment are people who buy 8 core machines using them in?

Video editing? Rendering?
 
Chuckit Apr 4, 2007 04:32 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Eug (Post 3345221)
Uh, specs?
I configured a Dell Precision Workstation 490 MiniTower with Vista. The only changes I made were getting rid of the monitor (since that doesn't come with a Mac Pro) and putting two quad Xeons in (though they don't seem to have the 3 GHz ones). That leaves the Dell with a smaller hard drive, but otherwise pretty much equivalent as far as I could see. The price? $4,972. An equivalent Mac Pro is $1000 cheaper.
 
CIA Apr 4, 2007 04:34 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by mdc (Post 3345350)
For sake of conversation, what could you use today that would take advantage of 8 cores? What environment are people who buy 8 core machines using them in?

Video editing? Rendering?
Yes, Video editing, and rendering of Video. Also scientific apps.
I've complained about this is other threads, but the people who buy these machines need power. I agree that the video card issue is a little outlandish, but Apple has always had lackluster offering in that department. I think this is a solid update, I mean, they are ahead of everyone with this new CPU that isn't available to the general public yet, give them a little credit there.
I think the quiet introduction of this speaks volumes about what is coming down the pipeline.
New case, new motherboard, oct machines across the pro line, (with maybe one token quad at the low end). Then they will make a big splash. They will tout all these new features, and how Leopard will take advantage of them etc. I mean based on reports they could have release an 8 core machine late last year but they held out. At that time I think a 8 core machine would just have confused consumers.. 8 cores at 2.66 or 4 at 3.0? This update provides a clear Good, Better, Best line. The pimped machines always cost waaaaaay more then the stock ones. What did you expect?
When the full blown redesign of the mac pro happens, I'll expect the doors to blow off. This just a bump to a proven line of machines.
 
Doofy Apr 4, 2007 04:49 PM
Ahhh yes, the octo-core. One final hail mary before they go bankrupt.

:D


Me buy. Soon. Sweet.
 
schalliol Apr 4, 2007 04:50 PM
So, why not call it an octo-core?
 
Buckaroo Apr 4, 2007 04:55 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by imitchellg5 (Post 3345036)
I can't understand why you would get the 8 core Mac Pro when most programs can't even take advantage of 4 cores.
It's a Man thing. More power. We'll put a V8 in that thing one way or another. Har Har Har
 
Buckaroo Apr 4, 2007 04:56 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by doublep (Post 3345031)
What shall it be called ? The Mactopus?
Quote, Originally Posted by schalliol (Post 3345382)
So, why not call it an octo-core?
I like the term V8 Power.
 
Dakar² Apr 4, 2007 04:57 PM
Whats the v stand for?
 
Doofy Apr 4, 2007 05:00 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Buckaroo (Post 3345386)
I like the term V8 Power.
That's settled then. The octo-core Mac Pro will henceforth be know as the "V8". Two banks of four cores. Makes sense.
 
onlyone-jc Apr 4, 2007 05:01 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by schalliol (Post 3345382)
So, why not call it an octo-core?
I was thinking that, too. Although, Octa-Core, to be completely correct (octa meaning to have eight of something). It seems bad grammar to switch from the idom quad, to 8 or eight. It should either be quad and octa, or four and eight.

Anyway, I should be getting back to my work.

onlyone-jc.
 
onlyone-jc Apr 4, 2007 05:03 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Dakar² (Post 3345387)
Whats the v stand for?
It's the type of engine it is, a V-Engine. It comes from the way the pistons are aligned along the line-of-sight of the crank-shaft. It looks like a V, funnily enough! heh.

onlyone-jc.
 
Buckaroo Apr 4, 2007 05:04 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Dakar² (Post 3345387)
Whats the v stand for?
Have you ever watched Home Improvement? You know with Tim Taylor (Alen), always trying to beef up anything with wheels.

Tim put a V8 in the new Mac Pro.

:lol:
 
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