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Sep 10, 2007 05:28 AM
Comeback?
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s.../D8RIBLGO0.jpg

Is it really a comeback?

Video is kind of...er...lame?

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LAS VEGAS (AP) - Somewhere, Kevin Federline is laughing. An out-of-shape, out-of-touch Britney Spears delivered what was destined to be the most talked about performance of the MTV Video Music Awards—but for all the wrong reasons.

Kicking off the show Sunday night with her new single, "Gimme More," Spears looked bleary and unprepared, much like her recent tabloid exploits on the streets of Los Angeles. She walked through her dance moves with little enthusiasm. She appeared to have forgotten the art of lip-synching. And, perhaps most unforgivable given her once-taut frame, she looked embarrassingly out of shape.

Even the celebrity-studded audience seemed bewildered. 50 Cent looked at Spears with a confused look on his face; Diddy, her new best friend, was expressionless.

Some comeback. Breathlessly hyped by MTV as the evening's most anticipated performance, it became the most shockingly bad of the night. Jive Records might want to push back that Nov. 13 album release date.
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Kevin Sep 10, 2007 05:55 AM
I didn't even know it was on. Glad I missed it. The MVA weren't like they used to be.

It's just a bunch of egos making asses out of themselves now adays.
 
jckalen Sep 10, 2007 06:37 AM
Egads

I did NOT need that on a Monday morning
 
IceEnclosure Sep 10, 2007 07:26 AM
that was funny and painful
 
Doofy Sep 10, 2007 07:40 AM
And here's the truth: The Lard has always been lame.
 
MacinTommy Sep 10, 2007 08:21 AM
Shes gotten wide.
 
Peter Sep 10, 2007 08:21 AM
thats out of shape?!
 
MacinTommy Sep 10, 2007 08:23 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Peter (Post 3478710)
thats out of shape?!
for someone in the limelight like her it is... but I guess she has been popping a few children out.
 
Dakarʒ Sep 10, 2007 08:27 AM
CHrist, I knew what this was about without clicking the thread.

From what I read, she mailed it in pretty egregiously.
 
Doofy Sep 10, 2007 08:28 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Peter (Post 3478710)
thats out of shape?!
We really do need to do something about your taste in women. :p
 
turtle777 Sep 10, 2007 08:40 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Doofy (Post 3478719)
We really do need to do something about your taste in women. :p
Oh, come on, give im a break, he's a Brit...

Uhm, oh, nevermind :hmm: ;)

-t
 
Peter Sep 10, 2007 08:41 AM
no, really, how is that out of shape?
 
Dakarʒ Sep 10, 2007 08:44 AM
In comparison to pre-Federline Britney.
 
Doofy Sep 10, 2007 08:46 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Peter (Post 3478727)
no, really, how is that out of shape?
I suppose it *is* in shape. A pear shape.

I'll let you off though. You're prolly so used to seeing the saggy bags of lard hanging out at the local Tesco while you're shopping that your perceptions of "fat bird" have prolly been somewhat readjusted.

:p
 
Peter Sep 10, 2007 08:52 AM
i shop at waitrose thanks!
 
Oisín Sep 10, 2007 09:38 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Peter (Post 3478727)
no, really, how is that out of shape?
For someone who (despite her general suckiness and crappiness) did use to be quite an energetic and lively dancer (she had to have something to make up for that noise she calls a voice/music), that does indeed seem in quite bad shape. She barely moves, just wiggles about a bit—even I can do that, and I’m in terrible shape.

I wouldn’t exactly call her a ‘fat chick’ (then again, Doofy does have a certain fondness of domestic cleaning utensils*), but compared to the wasp waist and taut tummy she used to sport, she certainly looks a lot more—how shall I put this?—natural in that clip.



[*Broomsticks, that is. I wasn’t implying Doofy is a vacuum-cleanerophile.]
 
Mastrap Sep 10, 2007 09:45 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Peter (Post 3478733)
i shop at waitrose thanks!
I'm not surprised you can't afford to live in London. ;)

And Britney: Put some cloths on.
 
Sep 10, 2007 09:59 AM
Here's the wasp waist referred to above and the difference pre and post-Britney:

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s...eGrey/9089.jpg http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s.../D8RIBLGO0.jpg
 
Kevin Sep 10, 2007 11:30 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Peter (Post 3478710)
thats out of shape?!
Thats what I was thinking. Lots of superficial people in here Peter.

I wanna see more pics of that ex of yours... hubba
 
Kevin Sep 10, 2007 11:33 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by (Post 3478774)
Here's the wasp waist referred to above and the difference pre and post-Britney:
Aaah then women have kids.

If you think your wife, or if you ever get married to a woman, will have the same body she had before the kid you are in for a surprised.

Unless you plan on shelling out thousands and thousands of dollars on surgery. And even then it's STILL not the same.

But it shouldn't really matter. And if it does, then you really don't love that person.

Having said that, I would never date or be with someone that was dangerously fat. That CAN be helped. And my reasons aren't superficial.

But seriously guys, REAL women do not look like 90% of the pics most of you jerk it too. Some people really set themselves up for a big upset when they set standards so high.

And then give people complexes.
 
Jawbone54 Sep 10, 2007 11:34 AM
Britney's not "out of shape." She's just not what she was at 17. I would (not) like to see what the members of MacNN look like half naked. I'm sure they're all just sexy beasts. :rolleyes:

The problem is that Britney is a mother of two, prancing around mostly naked, KNOWING (hopefully) that her post-childbirth body isn't as flattering as it once was, generally making herself look like a skank. I think that's what most people are laughing at, but it's really more depressing than laughable.

People who are celebrities at a young age never turn out sane.
 
Jawbone54 Sep 10, 2007 11:40 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Kevin (Post 3478886)
Aaah then women have kids.

If you think your wife, or if you ever get married to a woman, will have the same body she had before the kid you are in for a surprised.

Unless you plan on shelling out thousands and thousands of dollars on surgery. And even then it's STILL not the same.

But it shouldn't really matter. And if it does, then you really don't love that person.

Having said that, I would never date or be with someone that was dangerously fat. That CAN be helped. And my reasons aren't superficial.

But seriously guys, REAL women do not look like 90% of the pics most of you jerk it too. Some people really set themselves up for a big upset when they set standards so high.

And then give people complexes.
I think guys worldwide looking at porn 24/7 on the Internet sets them up for a dissatisfied marriage the vast majority of the time. They enter into relationships expecting something that is FAKED (no, not the sex...the attitudes).

99.9% of women are NOT going to look like supermodels, nor should they be expected to. The psychological effects of porn on men (and women) are more damaging than people like to admit. I really can't stand it when people call it "healthy" to watch porn from time to time, especially when I've seen several marriages broken up because of husbands who developed an addiction to the stuff, and then became more and more dissatisfied with their wives, who were in fact trying everything within their means to satisfy them.
 
Oisín Sep 10, 2007 11:40 AM
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The problem is that Britney is a mother of two, prancing around mostly naked, KNOWING (hopefully) that her post-childbirth body isn't as flattering as it once was, generally making herself look like a skank.
One could also argue that Britney is (and has always been) a talentless skank who should never have been a celebrity (at any age). That might have done her sanity some good; it would certainly have benefited the sanity of the world in general.

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I really can't stand it when people call it "healthy" to watch porn from time to time, especially when I've seen several marriages broken up because of husbands who developed an addiction to porn.
The fundamental difference is between “from time to time” and “addiction”. It’s also (currently) considered healthy to have a glass of wine from time to time; yet I’ve seen several marriages broken up (violently, more often than not) because of husbands or wives who developed addictions to alcohol.

I can’t see anything wrong with watching porn from time to time, as long as the viewer is aware and able to distinguish that (s)he’s not watching the real world, but actors playing parts, and that (s)he can’t expect the real world to be like it.
 
Jawbone54 Sep 10, 2007 11:41 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Oisín (Post 3478901)
One could also argue that Britney is (and has always been) a talentless skank who should never have been a celebrity (at any age). That might have done her sanity some good; it would certainly have benefited the sanity of the world in general.
QFT.
 
Thorzdad Sep 10, 2007 11:46 AM
The key is to stop looking at her like she's still going for that "plaid-skirted-schoolgirl lolita" persona. Now that she's popped a couple of kids out, she's clearly re-vamped her act to go for the highly-popular MILF image.
 
turtle777 Sep 10, 2007 11:46 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Oisín (Post 3478901)
One could also argue that Britney is (and has always been) a talentless skank who should never have been a celebrity (at any age). That might have done her sanity some good; it would certainly have benefited the sanity of the world in general.
Come on guys, she gave the world a fair warning right from the get-go.

"Ooops, I did it again..."

-t
 
Dakarʒ Sep 10, 2007 11:46 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Jawbone54 (Post 3478889)
People who are celebrities at a young age never turn out sane.
This is begging to be challenged, but honestly, I'm coming up blank. Unless you count Ron Howard. (You don't)

Quote, Originally Posted by Jawbone54 (Post 3478900)
I think guys worldwide looking at porn 24/7 on the Internet sets them up for a dissatisfied marriage the vast majority of the time. They enter into relationships expecting something that is FAKED (no, not the sex...the attitudes).
This coming from a guy who doesn't fart in front of his wife. Why the need to FAKE that aspect of your gastro-intestinal system?

Quote, Originally Posted by Jawbone54 (Post 3478900)
99.9% of women are NOT going to look like supermodels, nor should they be expected to. The psychological effects of porn on men (and women) are more damaging than people like to admit. I really can't stand it when people call it "healthy" to watch porn from time to time, especially when I've seen several marriages broken up because of husbands who developed an addiction to porn.
Your confusing effect for cause. These men were obviously bored with their home life so they turned to porn for their fix.
 
Kevin Sep 10, 2007 11:46 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Jawbone54 (Post 3478900)
I think guys worldwide looking at porn 24/7 on the Internet sets them up for a dissatisfied marriage the vast majority of the time. They enter into relationships expecting something that is FAKED (no, not the sex...the attitudes).

99.9% of women are NOT going to look like supermodels, nor should they be expected to. The psychological effects of porn on men (and women) are more damaging than people like to admit. I really can't stand it when people call it "healthy" to watch porn from time to time, especially when I've seen several marriages broken up because of husbands who developed an addiction to the stuff, and then became more and more dissatisfied with their wives, who were in fact trying everything within their means to satisfy them.
Yeah.. again porn also feeds a false view of what sex actually is.

And you know, chicks just love *** on their face, and you spitting a wad on their girly parts.

It gets them hot.
 
turtle777 Sep 10, 2007 11:47 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Oisín (Post 3478901)
I can’t see anything wrong with watching porn from time to time, as long as the viewer is aware and able to distinguish that (s)he’s not watching the real world, but actors playing parts, and that (s)he can’t expect the real world to be like it.
Oh boy, in what world does THAT play out the way you describe it ? :hmm:

-t
 
Kevin Sep 10, 2007 11:48 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Oisín (Post 3478901)
One could also argue that Britney is (and has always been) a talentless skank who should never have been a celebrity (at any age). That might have done her sanity some good; it would certainly have benefited the sanity of the world in general.
I couldn't really judge a person like that unless I've been in the boots that they've tread in.

I know I've been no angel in my life. Probably done 10x worse things than that gal has. I've just never had cameras around me 24.7

Same can be said about most girls her age.
 
Jawbone54 Sep 10, 2007 11:51 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Dakarʒ (Post 3478916)
This is begging to be challenged, but honestly, I'm coming up blank. Unless you count Ron Howard. (You don't)
Exception. Not the rule.

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This coming from a guy who doesn't fart in front of his wife. Why the need to FAKE that aspect of your gastro-intestinal system?
Do you have a Jawbone list laying around somewhere that you refer to for these posts? And I'm not faking, just withholding out of courtesy for my wife. She tolerates my game system "problem," so I owe her at least one favor.

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Your confusing effect for cause. These men were obviously bored with their home life so they turned to porn for their fix.
Except that in each case I'm referring to, the men came into the marriages with a history of being deep into porn, either from when they were younger or right up until the marriages.
 
Dakarʒ Sep 10, 2007 11:57 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Jawbone54 (Post 3478928)
Exception. Not the rule.
My first thought before I deemed him not worthy.

Quote, Originally Posted by Jawbone54 (Post 3478928)
Do you have a Jawbone list laying around somewhere that you refer to for these posts?
No, something like that sticks out in my mind. Farting is a humorous subject. Well, except in this case. (apologies)

Quote, Originally Posted by Jawbone54 (Post 3478928)
And I'm not faking, just withholding out of courtesy for my wife. She tolerates my game system "problem," so I owe her at least one favor.
Hey, I'm not saying its fair, I'm just saying its something perfectly natural and to be expected from another human being.

Quote, Originally Posted by Jawbone54 (Post 3478928)
Except that in each case I'm referring to, the men came into the marriages with a history of being deep into porn, either from when they were younger or right up until the marriages.
So if these guys had such unreal expectations from porn, why did they get married to a non-model in the first place? (That, in the end, may be a cultural answer, rather than one of attraction)
 
Oisín Sep 10, 2007 12:00 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by turtle777 (Post 3478919)
Oh boy, in what world does THAT play out the way you describe it ? :hmm:

-t
Hmm... works fine for most people around here, as far as I know. I know plenty of people in healthy relationships who don’t let porn influence their relationships, but see it for what it is: movies.

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I couldn't really judge a person like that unless I've been in the boots that they've tread in.

I know I've been no angel in my life. Probably done 10x worse things than that gal has. I've just never had cameras around me 24.7

Same can be said about most girls her age.
I’m not saying anything about her as a person, apart from the fact that I definitely think her celebrity has had a very negative effect on some formative stages of her live. Young celebrities do have a sad tendency to end up rather screwed up at one point or another.

I’m just saying that Britney Spears has no talent and no claim to fame, whatsoever. Like Paris Hilton, she doesn’t deserve fame (for good and bad), she just got it for nothing. And it would (probably—we’ll never know) have been better for all involved if she hadn’t. I know my ears would have been grateful.

(P.S.: Past participle of ‘tread’ is ‘trodden’—sorry to be a pedant, but it breaks my heart to see good old strong verbs being forced into weak submission :P)
 
Kerrigan Sep 10, 2007 02:01 PM
I'd hit it, only because she's a celeb. If I saw a non famous bird like that, I'd stay well away.

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/200...10_468x707.jpg
 
Railroader Sep 10, 2007 03:26 PM
 
Jawbone54 Sep 10, 2007 03:48 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Dakarʒ (Post 3478938)
My first thought before I deemed him not worthy.
You no likey...
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...mindposter.jpg
or
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...teen_movie.jpg
or
http://www.coolweblog.com/xueguohail...erella-Man.jpg
???

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No, something like that sticks out in my mind. Farting is a humorous subject. Well, except in this case. (apologies)...Hey, I'm not saying its fair, I'm just saying its something perfectly natural and to be expected from another human being.
I'm trying to ease her into my family's ways. Evidently no one in her family farts (except her dad). So 3 of the 5 farts have come in the last month. At least she laughed at the last one, but I think it's because it scared my dog (who is getting better, by the way).

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So if these guys had such unreal expectations from porn, why did they get married to a non-model in the first place? (That, in the end, may be a cultural answer, rather than one of attraction)
I think you answered it yourself. Cultural.

This might be opening up a whole new can of worms, but it seems that many Christian guys who practice abstinence develop problems with pornography during their teenage years. I personally believe it's because the church is very good at teaching abstinence, but does a horrible job at helping understand the possible ramifications of pornography. It seems like the church kind of turns a blind eye to it and pretends that it doesn't exist among their youth.

Therefore, a lot of Christian guys who are desperate to finally act out these things they're obsessing over (mostly found on the Internet) marry a good Christian girl and have certain unrealistic, and possibly warped, expectations of what their married life is going to be like. I think the desire to have sex and live out these fantasies drives a lot of them to marry prematurely. I've seen this happen.

This is just a theory of mine, but it makes sense, IMO.
 
Dakarʒ Sep 10, 2007 04:03 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Jawbone54 (Post 3479197)
You no likey...
You misunderstand. His directorial work is excellent. I'm just not sure he really qualifies as a person who was a celebrity at a young age.


Quote, Originally Posted by Jawbone54 (Post 3479197)
I'm trying to ease her into my family's ways. Evidently no one in her family farts (except her dad). So 3 of the 5 farts have come in the last month. At least she laughed at the last one, but I think it's because it scared my dog (who is getting better, by the way).
Then that's different than pretending it doesn't happen at all.



Quote, Originally Posted by Jawbone54 (Post 3479197)
I think you answered it yourself. Cultural.
Which is pathetic in a whole new way.

Quote, Originally Posted by Jawbone54 (Post 3479197)
This might be opening up a whole new can of worms, but it seems that many Christian guys who practice abstinence develop problems with pornography during their teenage years. I personally believe it's because the church is very good at teaching abstinence, but does a horrible job at helping understand the possible ramifications of pornography. It seems like the church kind of turns a blind eye to it and pretends that it doesn't exist among their youth.

Therefore, a lot of Christian guys who are desperate to finally act out these things they're obsessing over (mostly found on the Internet) marry a good Christian girl and have certain unrealistic, and possibly warped, expectations of what their married life is going to be like. I think the desire to have sex and live out these fantasies drives a lot of them to marry prematurely. I've seen this happen.

This is just a theory of mine, but it makes sense, IMO.
Well, based on your theory, it sounds like abstinence is having a destructive effect on these peoples lives.
 
Big Mac Sep 10, 2007 04:09 PM
Aside from her image, it was a bit disturbing to see that she had trouble moving around the stage.
 
ajprice Sep 10, 2007 04:12 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Big Mac (Post 3479230)
Aside from her image, it was a bit disturbing to see that she had trouble moving around the stage.
Maybe someone forgot to tell her it was for real and not a rehearsal :)
 
Jawbone54 Sep 10, 2007 04:21 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Dakarʒ (Post 3479220)
Well, based on your theory, it sounds like abstinence is having a destructive effect on these peoples lives.
Misinterpreted.

It's as if the church is saying, "Premarital sex is destructive, but we're not going to give you the tools to have a healthy sex life when you're married by talking openly about pornography and other sexual issues."

If they don't address realistic sexual issues, then it's going to be nearly impossible to stave off premarital sex in a religious system that's already having severe difficulties in successfully encouraging its youth to abstain. The world is hundreds of times more openly sexual than it was 100 years ago, but the church has been slow to respond; so slow that it's been rendered nearly impotent in the face of cultural change.

Yelling from pulpits doesn't solve the problem. It's practical teaching at home that has been neglected.

Christian parents encourage abstinence, but don't have a problem with them watching TV shows and movies that almost always portray premarital sex and free love lifestyles as healthy and appropriate, while at the same time allowing unrestricted access to the Internet because they can't imagine THEIR little angel developing a bestiality fetish.
The bestiality comment might have been slightly exaggerative.
 
Rumor Sep 10, 2007 04:23 PM
I was more interested in Tommy Lee punching Kid Rock.
 
Jawbone54 Sep 10, 2007 04:25 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Rumor (Post 3479242)
I was more interested in Tommy Lee punching Kid Rock.
First Mention!

I forgot about that. Didn't they actually just start "holding each other" in an intimidating fashion? I remember laughing at the description of the "fight."

If they were really that bad, wouldn't someone start swinging at some point?
 
Rumor Sep 10, 2007 04:26 PM
Not sure. I had better things to do than watch the MVA, like nurse a hangover.
 
Dakarʒ Sep 10, 2007 04:33 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Jawbone54 (Post 3479240)
Misinterpreted.
No, more like a difference of perspective.

Quote, Originally Posted by Jawbone54 (Post 3479240)
It's as if the church is saying, "Premarital sex is destructive, but we're not going to give you the tools to have a healthy sex life when you're married by talking openly about pornography and other sexual issues."

If they don't address realistic sexual issues, then it's going to be nearly impossible to stave off premarital sex in a religious system that's already having severe difficulties in successfully encouraging its youth to abstain. The world is hundreds of times more openly sexual than it was 100 years ago, but the church has been slow to respond; so slow that it's been rendered nearly impotent in the face of cultural change.

Yelling from pulpits doesn't solve the problem. It's practical teaching at home that has been neglected.

Christian parents encourage abstinence, but don't have a problem with them watching TV shows and movies that almost always portray premarital sex and free love lifestyles as healthy and appropriate, while at the same time allowing unrestricted access to the Internet because they can't imagine THEIR little angel developing a bestiality fetish.
The bestiality comment might have been slightly exaggerative.
I'm going to let this be it, because this doesn't need to become a debate on the pros and cons of abstinence.

The important part is you've acknowledged that these people you know are developing porn addictions because they've been taught to handle their emotions poorly, not because of the porn itself.
 
Doofy Sep 10, 2007 04:42 PM
I hate porn (love nudies, which is not porn) but I fail to see what that's got to do with fat birds attempting to dance around on stage. :confused:

And while we're at it, can anyone tell me what bits of the Bible I need to be looking at which condone pre-marital canoodlings? Since I haven't been able to find any yet, I'll assume that it's a cultural thing... ...like the ban on polygyny.
 
Jawbone54 Sep 10, 2007 04:54 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Dakarʒ (Post 3479252)
No, more like a difference of perspective.
Certainly fair enough.

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I'm going to let this be it, because this doesn't need to become a debate on the pros and cons of abstinence.
I didn't really intend for the post to become as long as it did. This isn't really the place for it, considering I can only address the issue from a perspective that isn't shared by the majority of the people on this board. Not worried about that; it's just the way things are.

Doofy, I'm going to require a definition for "canoodlings" :D
 
Dakarʒ Sep 10, 2007 04:55 PM
Just when you thought you were out, they pull you back in.
 
Jawbone54 Sep 10, 2007 04:56 PM
:lol:
Whoa, wait a second! Was that innuendo?
 
Doofy Sep 10, 2007 04:57 PM
Heh.

;)
 
rickey939 Sep 10, 2007 05:22 PM
Career. Is. Over.
 
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