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dcolton Aug 7, 2004 05:28 PM
Homosexual Urban Legends...the series.
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Exposed: The Myth That Psychiatry Has Proven That Homosexual Behavior Is Normal



In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) removed homosexuality as a mental disorder from the APA's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual Of Mental Disorders (DSM-II).

This decision was a significant victory for homosexual activists, and they have continued to claim that the APA based their decision on new scientific discoveries that proved that homosexual behavior is normal and should be affirmed in our culture.

This is false and part of numerous homosexual urban legends that have infiltrated every aspect of our culture. The removal of homosexuality as a mental disorder has given homosexual activists credibility in the culture, and they have demanded that their sexual behavior be affirmed in society.

What Really Happened?

Numerous psychiatrists over the past decades have described what forces were really at work both inside and outside of the American Psychiatric Association-and what led to the removal of homosexuality as a mental disorder.

Dr. Ronald Bayer explains how homosexual activists captured the APA for political gain.

Dr. Ronald Bayer, a pro-homosexual psychiatrist has described what actually occurred in his book, Homosexuality and American Psychiatry: The Politics of Diagnosis. (1981)

In Chapter 4, "Diagnostic Politics: Homosexuality and the American Psychiatric Association," Dr. Bayer says that the first attack by homosexual activists against the APA began in 1970 when this organization held its convention in San Francisco. Homosexual activists decided to disrupt the conference by interrupting speakers and shouting down and ridiculing psychiatrists who viewed homosexuality as a mental disorder. In 1971, homosexual activist Frank Kameny worked with the Gay Liberation Front collective to demonstrate against the APA's convention. At the 1971 conference, Kameny grabbed the microphone and yelled, "Psychiatry is the enemy incarnate. Psychiatry has waged a relentless war of extermination against us. You may take this as a declaration of war against you."

Homosexuals forged APA credentials and gained access to exhibit areas in the conference. They threatened anyone who claimed that homosexuals needed to be cured.

Kameny had found an ally inside of the APA named Kent Robinson who helped the homosexual activist present his demand that homosexuality be removed from the DSM. At the 1972 convention, homosexual activists were permitted to set up a display booth, entitled "Gay, Proud and Healthy."

Kameny was then permitted to be part of a panel of psychiatrists who were to discuss homosexuality. The effort to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from the DSM was the result of power politics, threats, and intimidation, not scientific discoveries.

Prior to the APA's 1973 convention, several psychiatrists attempted to organize opposition to the efforts of homosexuals to remove homosexual behavior from the DSM. Organizing this effort were Drs. Irving Bieber and Charles Socarides who formed the Ad Hoc Committee Against the Deletion of Homosexuality from DSM-II.

The DSM-II listed homosexuality as an abnormal behavior under section "302. Sexual Deviations." It was the first deviation listed.

After much political pressure, a committee of the APA met behind closed doors in 1973 and voted to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder from the DSM-II. Opponents of this effort were given 15 minutes to protest this change, according to Dr. Jeffrey Satinover, in Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth. Satinover writes that after this vote was taken, the decision was to be voted on by the entire APA membership. The National Gay Task Force purchased the APA's mailing list and sent out a letter to the APA members urging them to vote to remove homosexuality as a disorder. No APA member was informed that the mailing had been funded by this homosexual activist group.

According to Satinover, "How much the 1973 APA decision was motivated by politics is only becoming clear even now. While attending a conference in England in 1994, I met a man who told me an account that he had told no one else. He had been in the gay life for years but had left the lifestyle. He recounted how after the 1973 APA decision, he and his lover, along with a certain very highly placed officer of the APA Board of Trustees and his lover, all sat around the officer's apartment celebrating their victory. For among the gay activists placed high in the APA who maneuvered to ensure a victory was this man-suborning from the top what was presented to both the membership and the public as a disinterested search for truth."

Dr. Socarides Speaks Out

Dr. Satinover shows how APA's policies were influcenced by closeted homosexual APA leaders.

Dr. Charles Socarides has set the record straight on how homosexuals inside and outside of the APA forced this organization to remove homosexuality as a mental disorder. This was done without any valid scientific evidence to prove that homosexuality is not a disordered behavior.

Dr. Socarides, writing in Sexual Politics and Scientific Logic: The Issue of Homosexuality writes: "To declare a condition a 'non-condition,' a group of practitioners had removed it from our list of serious psychosexual disorders. The action was all the more remarkable when one considers that it involved an out-of-hand and peremptory disregard and dismissal not only of hundreds of psychiatric and psychoanalytic research papers and reports, but also a number of other serious studies by groups of psychiatrists, psychologists, and educators over the past seventy years…"

Socarides continued: "For the next 18 years, the APA decision served as a Trojan horse, opening the gates to widespread psychological and social change in sexual customs and mores. The decision was to be used on numerous occasions for numerous purposes with the goal of normalizing homosexuality and elevating it to an esteemed status.

"To some American psychiatrists, this action remains a chilling reminder that if scientific principles are not fought for, they can be lost-a disillusioning warning that unless we make no exceptions to science, we are subject to the snares of political factionalism and the propagation of untruths to an unsuspecting and uninformed public, to the rest of the medical profession, and to the behavioral sciences." Dr. Socarides' report is available from the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality: www.narth.com.

THE IMPORTANCE OF THE DSM

The DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) is the most widely used diagnostic reference book utilized by mental health professionals in the United States.

It's a manual by which all diagnostic codes are derived for diagnosis and treatment - every single physician (an estimated 850,000*) in the United States refers to this book in order to code for a diagnosis. In plain English, what does this mean? It means that for over 30 years physicians have been prevented from properly diagnosing homosexuality as an aberrant behavior and thus, cannot, recommend a course of treatment for these individuals.

Prior to that time, homosexuality had been treated as a mental disorder under section "302. Sexual Deviations" in the DSM-II. Section 302 said, in part: "This category is for individuals whose sexual interests are directed primarily toward objects other than people of the opposite sex, toward sexual acts … performed under bizarre circumstances. … Even though many find their practices distasteful, they remain unable to substitute normal sexual behavior for them." Homosexuality was listed as the first sexual deviation under 302. Once that diagnostic code for homosexuality was removed, physicians, including psychiatrists, have been prevented from diagnosing homosexuality as a mental disorder for more than three decades.
 
Logic Aug 7, 2004 05:30 PM
:sleep:

Have you ever worked with people with psychological illnesses?
 
dcolton Aug 7, 2004 05:33 PM
Part 2:

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Homosexuals claim that “heterosexuals” molest most children but statistics show that homosexuals molest at far higher rates than do heterosexuals.

* Rev. Paul Shanley, a retired Catholic priest was arrested on May 4, 2002 in San Diego on three counts of child rape. Shanley had a history of molesting boys that went back to 1967. He was at the founding meeting of the North American Man-Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) and while in San Diego operated a bed & breakfast for homosexuals in Palm Springs. Shanley has openly called for “man-boy” love.


* David Carlton Nurmi, was arrested in Florida on April 26, 2002, for possession of child pornography and for molesting a 15-year-old boy.


* Geoffrey Cornish, a well-respected Solana Beach, California therapist was sentenced to 23 years in prison in September, 2001 for sexually molesting boys who came to him for therapy. Cornish, who is HIV-positive, was also a coach for the Torrey Pines High School surf team. Cornish told police he had been molested himself by a Boy Scout leader for three years when he was living in England.


* James Edward Sanders, a homosexual child molester, was arrested in New Mexico in December, 2001 for sexually abusing a 7-year-old boy. Police also discovered child pornography in Sanders’ home.


* Christopher Reardon, a homosexual, former youth minister, and Boy Scout leader was sentenced to 40-50 years in prison in the Summer of 2001 for raping, molesting, and disseminating pornography to 29 boys under his care.



These are only a few of the homosexual child molestation cases to hit the news during 2001-02. Virtually every week, newspapers detail more cases involving homosexuals who have sexually assaulted children under their care.

New York Post Exposes High Rate Of Teacher/Student Molestations

In a story not widely publicized in the mainstream press, the New York Post published a story in its July 30, 2001 edition about the secret epidemic of homosexual child abuse cases that go unreported in New York City’s public schools.

The report, “Secret Shame Of Our Schools: Sexual Abuse Of Students Runs Rampant,” by Douglas Montero, is the result of an analysis of 117 cases of sexual abuse between January 1999 and June 2001. Sixty percent of those accused of sexual abuse were transferred to desk jobs inside the school district. Forty percent of those transferred suspects were repeat sex offenders.

The report noted that out of the 117 cases, 212 children were victims. In 45% of the cases, the sex offender attacked more than one student. In nearly 16% of the cases, school officials delayed or tried to cover up the sexual molestations. The average victim is a 15-year-old girl and 75% of the victims were girls. According to the report, “Nearly 20 percent of the offenders are homosexuals and in most of these cases, the attack led to a sexual relationship with the stu- dent.” The report also discovered that the Board of Education investigated another 347 substantiated sex abuse cases between January 2000 and July 20, 2001. Adding the 117 cases with the 327, it appears that at least one child is sexually abused each day by a school employee—and 20% of these molestations against children are done by homosexuals!

Homosexuals Molest Children At A Far Higher Rate Than Heterosexuals

Homosexuals account for only 1-2% of our population based on current surveys. The National Opinion Research Center in 1992 found that 2.8% of men and 1.4% of women identified themselves as “homosexual” or “bisexual. A 1995 survey of 18-49-year-old men published by the Journal of Sex Research indicated that 2.6% of them had engaged in homosexual sex within the prior 12 months; 4% had had homosexual sex within the past five years. In other words, at least 98-99% of our population is heterosexual in orientation.

Homosexual activists routinely claim that most child molesters are “heterosexual” males, thus shifting the focus away from their own very high rates of molestation. Since 98-99% of the population is heterosexual, it is technically correct to say that most molestations are done by heterosexuals. However, statistics indicate that homosexuals pose a far more serious threat to children than do heterosexuals.

For example: In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin of Whitman College conducted a ten-state study of sex abuse cases involving school teachers. He studied 199 cases. Of those, 122 male teachers had molested girls, while 14 female teachers had molested boys. He also discovered that 59 homosexual male teachers had molested boys and four female homosexual teachers had molested girls. In other words, 32 percent of those child molestation cases involved homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the population.

Dr. Judith Reisman, in her book, Kinsey, Crimes & Consequences, describes the research done by Dr. Gene Abel. This researcher compared the molestation rates of self-confessed homosexual and heterosexual child molesters. In a sample of 153 homosexual molesters, they confessed to a total of 22,981 molestations. This is equivalent to 150 children per molester. Self-admitted heterosexual molesters admitted to 4,435 molestations. This comes to 19.8 victims per molester. Dr. Abel concluded that homosexuals “sexually molest young boys at an incidence that is occurring from five times greater than the molestation of girls.”

This high rate of molestations by homosexuals is consistent with other studies conducted during the past several decades. Here are just a few studies that show homosexuals molesting children at epidemic rates:


The Los Angeles Times conducted a survey in 1985 of 2,628 adults across the U.S. Of those, 27% of the women and 16% of the men had been sexually molested. Seven percent of the girls and 93% of the men had been molested by adults of the same sex. This means that 40% of child molestations were by homosexuals. (Los Angeles Times, August 25-6, 1985)

In 1984, a Vermont survey of 161 adolescents who were sex offenders found that 35 of them were homosexuals (22%). (Wasserman, J., “Adolescent Sex Offenders—Vermont, 1984” Journal American Medical Association, 1986; 255:181-2)

In 1991, of the 100 child molesters at the Massachusetts Treatment Center for Sexually Dangerous Persons, a third were heterosexual, a third were bisexual, and a third were homosexual. (Dr. Raymond Knight, “Differential Prevalence of Personality Disorders in Rapists and Child Molesters,” Eastern Psychological Association Conference, New York, April 12, 1991)

Drs. Freund and Heasman of the Clark Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto reviewed two studies on child molesters and calculated that 34% and 32% of the sex offenders were homosexual. In cases these doctors had handled, 36% of the molesters were homosexuals. (Freund, K. “Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality,” Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy, 1984; 10:193-200)


From these studies and many more, it is evident that homosexuals molest children at a far greater rate than do their heterosexual counterparts. While they comprise only 1-2% of the population, they are responsible for upwards of a third or more of all sexual molestations of children.

Exposing The Homosexual/Pedophile Link

Homosexuals seldom openly admit that they want to sexually assault children, but their literature and their actions tell another story. In the January 1-8, 2001 issue of The Weekly Standard, author Mary Eberstadt exposed the clear link between homosexual activism and the growing North-American Man- Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) movement. Writing in “’Pedophilia Chic’ Reconsidered: The taboo against sex with children continues to erode,” Eberstadt notes:


The reason why the public is being urged to reconsider boy pedophilia is that this ‘question,’ settled though it may be in the opinions and laws of the rest of the country, is demonstrably not yet settled within certain parts of the gay rights movement. The more that movement has entered the mainstream, the more this ‘question’ has bubbled forth from that previously distant realm in the public square.


Eberstadt notes that the book, Male Inter-Generational Intimacy: Historical, Socio-Psychological, and Legal Perspectives edited by pedophile Edward Brongersma is currently available in the “gay/lesbian” sections of bookstores like Borders. This book, which openly promotes pedophilia, was first published in the Journal of Homosexuality in 1990. The Journal is edited by John DeCecco, a psychologist at San Francisco State University. DeCecco is a board member of the Dutch pedophile journal, Paidika.

The homosexual magazine Guide published a pro-pedophile editorial in its July, 1995 issue. In referring to pedophiles as “prophets” of sexual freedom, the Guide editorialist wrote: “We must listen to our prophets. Instead of fearing being labeled pedophiles, we must proudly proclaim that sex is good, including children’s sexuality. . . . Surrounded by pious moralists with deadening anti-sexual rules, we must be shameless rulebreakers, demonstrating our allegiance to a higher concept of love. We must do it for the children’s sake.”

Parents are correct to be concerned about homosexuals sexually assaulting their children. The Boy Scouts of America, for example, is right to prohibit homosexuals from membership or leadership positions. It is evident from the statistical evidence and news reports of child molestation cases, that homosexuals pose a clear and present danger to children. Our laws and social policies should protect children, not cater to the whims and sexual desires of sexual predators. We must oppose homosexual activism “for the children’s sake.”
 
MacGorilla Aug 7, 2004 05:34 PM
:sleep:

maybe someday they'll find a gene that makes people closed minded right wing nuts blinded by their own light.
 
dcolton Aug 7, 2004 05:36 PM
Part III

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While homosexuals claim they make up 10% of the population, the reality is closer to 1-2%.

Homosexual activist groups have finally admitted that their claim that 10% of the population is "gay" is false. This admission took place in a Friend of the Court brief filed with the U.S. Supreme Court on March 26, 2003 in the Lawrence v. Texas, known as the Texas sodomy case. In this case, homosexuals are trying to have the Texas law against sodomy declared unconstitutional by the Court.

In footnote 42 on page 16 of this legal brief, 31 homosexual and pro-homosexual groups admitted the following: "The most widely accepted study of sexual practices in the United States is the National Health and Social Life Survey (NHSLS). The NHSLS found that 2.8% of the male, and 1.4% of the female, population identify themselves as gay, lesbian, or bisexual. See Laumann, et al, The Social Organization of Sex: Sexual Practices in the United States (1994). This amounts to nearly 4 million openly gay men and 2 million women who identify as lesbian."

Despite this indirect admission that the 10% figure homosexuals have used for more than two decades is wrong, the writers of the brief still continue to lie about the real numbers. The claim that 4 million men and 2 million women are gay is based on multiplying the 2.8% and 1.4% figures by the total number of males and females in the U.S. It is unreasonable to count any of the 60 million Americans who are 14 or younger (including 40 million who are under nine years of age) as "openly gay men and women." Yet, that is what this brief claims. Even as homosexuals admit they're wrong about the 10% figure, they apparently still can't resist lying about their true numbers in our population.
Reputable journalists, legislators, and other opinion leaders must avoid using this bogus 10% statistic.

Those who continue to use this homosexual urban legend should be challenged to prove it with facts-not myths.


The NHSLS study found that only 0.9% of men and 0.4% of women reported having only same-sexual partners since age 18, a figure that would represent a total of only 1.4 million Americans as homosexual.

The truth is that homosexuals used the bogus 10% figure in order to inflate their numbers and their influence. The 10% Urban Legend has been effectively used by homosexuals to recruit children into the homosexual lifestyle and to lobby for legislation to provide special legal protections for homosexuals. Homosexual groups throughout the United States, however, continue to use this bogus 10% figure because it provides them with political power and legitimacy.

Debunking The Urban Legend

What do scientific surveys and studies show about how many homosexuals actually exist? As long ago as the early 1990s, statistics showed that the 10% was false.

USA Today, in its April 15, 1993 issue published the following statistics from a Planned Parenthood/Alan Guttmacher Institute study:

* Only 2.3% of males ages 20 to 39 said they had experienced a same-sex relationship in the past decade. Only 1.1% said they were exclusively gay.


* A 1989 U.S. survey indicated that no more than 6% of adults had any kind of same-sex experience. Less than 1% said they were exclusively gay.


* A 1992 French study found that only 1.4% of men and 0.4% of women said they had any same-sex contact in the past five years.


* In 1991, the National Opinion Research Center (NORC) provided data indicating that of the 6% who have ever experienced same-sex relations, the number of currently active homosexuals (at that time) was .06-0.7%. The source for this is: T.W. Smith, Planning Perspectives 23, May/June 1991).


The Wall Street Journal shed more light on the 10% urban legend in its March 31, 1993 issue:

* A survey conducted by the Minnesota Adolescent Health Survey (1986-86) of public school students indicated that only 0.6% of boys and 0.2% of girls identified themselves "mostly or 100% homosexual"-which is less than one percent!


* In Canada, a 1988 survey of first-year college students under 25 indicated that 98% were heterosexual; 1% bisexual; and 1% homosexual. (Source: King, et al. Canada, Youth and AIDS Study, Kingston, Ontario: Queen's University.)


Census Figures Show Few Homosexual Households
The 10% figure was drawn from Alfred Kinsey's deliberately dishonest research on human sexuality conducted in the late 1940s and early 1950s. Even Kinsey never declared that 10% of the population claimed to be exclusively homosexual.

The Census 2000 figures show that homosexuals exist in far fewer numbers in our population than homosexual activists would have us believe. Homosexuals used these census figures to claim that the number of same-sex households had experienced an explosive growth during the past ten years. This is untrue. According to Census 2000 figures, there are a total of 106,741,426 households in the U.S., only 00.42% of those are unmarried same-sex households. This is less than one percent. Yet activists claimed that these figures showed a surge in same-sex households since 1990. However, the Census Bureau issued a disclaimer saying that 1990 figures and 2000 figures could not be reconciled because of the different ways the questions were asked in 2000. TVC's report, Lies, Homosexuals, and Census Statistics provides more details about this. It is posted on the TVC web site.

Dr. Mark A. Yarhouse and Dr. Stanton L. Jones have dealt with the 10% urban legend in their book, Homosexuality: The Use of Scientific Research in the Church's Moral Debate. They note that the 10% figure originated in the flawed research work of Dr. Alfred Kinsey in the late 1940s and early 1950s. Kinsey's work has been criticized not only for his use of pedophiles to molest children, but his statements about the prevalence of homosexuality in our culture have also been misquoted and distorted. While homosexuals still claim that 10% of the population figure is homosexual, Kinsey never made that claim. According to Yarhouse and Jones, Kinsey actually reported a number of different statistics on prevalence rates. These rates include the following:

* Ten percent of white males were "more or less" exclusively homosexual during at least a three-year period between the ages of 16 and 55.


* Fifty percent of males had neither attraction to nor the experience of homosexual behavior.


* Kinsey also reported that homosexuality among women was about half the rate of males.


The Kinsey statistics as a whole are suspect because he didn't use random samples and drew samples from prison populations and others who self-identified as homosexuals.

Gay Activist Admits The 10% Figure Is Bogus

Bruce Voeller, a gay activist has admitted in his book, Some Uses and Abuses of the Kinsey Scale that the 10% figure was a myth used to promote the homosexual agenda. According To Voeller: ...after years of our educating those who inform the public and make its laws, that concept that 10 percent of the population is gay has become generally accepted as "fact." ... As with so many pieces of knowledge and myth, repeated telling it made it so…[/quote]
 
dcolton Aug 7, 2004 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by MacGorilla:
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maybe someday they'll find a gene that makes people closed minded right wing nuts blinded by their own light.
Such hostility. Perhaps you would like to discuss the issue instead of being so damned defensive!
 
Logic Aug 7, 2004 05:47 PM
Question for dcolton:

Do you think that Simey suffers from a mental disorder?
 
dcolton Aug 7, 2004 05:48 PM
Anyone?
 
angaq0k Aug 7, 2004 05:48 PM
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Originally posted by dcolton:
Such hostility. Perhaps you would like to discuss the issue instead of being so damned defensive!
You are showing hostility every 3 words your write.
 
Spheric Harlot Aug 7, 2004 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by dcolton:
Anyone?
Do you think that Simey suffers from a mental disorder?
 
MacGorilla Aug 7, 2004 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by angaq0k:
You are showing hostility every 3 words your write.
Yes. How does one repsond to such inflammitory close mindedness?
 
dcolton Aug 7, 2004 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by Logic:
Question for dcolton:

Do you think that Simey suffers from a mental disorder?
Answering that ? could be construed as a personal attaack...and considering the bias of the mods here...I choose not to answer your question and once again wait for the people who support amorality and perversion to stick to the topic.
 
Logic Aug 7, 2004 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
Do you think that Simey suffers from a mental disorder?
He won't answer that question, I'm pretty sure of that........
 
Spheric Harlot Aug 7, 2004 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by dcolton:
Answering that ? could be construed as a personal attaack...and considering the bias of the mods here...
For the record, Logic:

That's a "yes".

dolton, you poor, misguided git.
 
Logic Aug 7, 2004 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by dcolton:
Answering that ? could be construed as a personal attaack...and considering the bias of the mods here...I choose not to answer your question and once again wait for the people who support amorality and perversion to stick to the topic.
Seems like I was right.
 
angaq0k Aug 7, 2004 05:57 PM
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Originally posted by dcolton:
Answering that ? could be construed as a personal attaack...and considering the bias of the mods here...I choose not to answer your question and once again wait for the people who support amorality and perversion to stick to the topic.
Pauvre imbécile... You personally attacked all Gays of the world!, including those of this forum!!
 
dcolton Aug 7, 2004 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by angaq0k:
Pauvre imbécile... You personally attacked all Gays of the world!, including those of this forum!!
It is not an attack. What some consider to be wholesome fun (you know, gay sex), I consider to be perverted and amoral. It is a difference of opinion.
 
MacGorilla Aug 7, 2004 06:04 PM
I won't have a debate about something I don't consider amoral or perverted. Its hard to find common ground when we can't even agree on how to classifiy the behavior in question.
 
dcolton Aug 7, 2004 06:05 PM
since no one has anything constructive to add...I will continue with the series

Part 4: The Born Gay Myth
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One of the most persistent and culturally damaging Homosexual Urban Legends is the erroneous claim by homosexual activists that they are "born gay" or that their sexual orientation emerges in early adolescence and is fixed and unchangeable.

One or both of these urban legends has been perpetuated not only by homosexual activist groups but by prestigious organizations like the American Psychological Association and the American Psychiatric Association.

The American Psychological Association, for example, features a Q&A section on its web site that deals with sexual orientation. To the question, "Is Sexual Orientation a Choice?" the APA answers: "No, human beings can not choose to be either gay or straight. Sexual orientation emerges for most people in early adolescence without any prior sexual experience. Although we can choose whether to act on our feelings, psychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice that can be voluntarily changed."

In a follow up question, "Can Therapy Change Sexual Orientation?" the APA answers: "No. … The reality is that homosexuality is not an illness. It does not require treatment and is not changeable."

Current research from professional organizations like the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) dispute the APA's pro-homosexual position.

Regrettably, however, homosexuals have used this particular urban legend to fight for anti-discrimination laws and for "hate crime" laws that provide special legal protections for homosexuals not accorded to heterosexuals. They have also used this fraudulent claim to push for homosexual recruitment programs in public schools under the guise of providing "safe schools" for "homosexual" teenagers. Homosexuals have also demanded sensitivity training for those who are repelled by homosexual behavior. Currently, transgendered individuals (those who cross-dress or are undergoing sex change operations), are also now claiming to be "born transgender." Transgenders are demanding federal laws to protect them from societal disapproval. (See TVC's Special Report on this: "A Gender Identity Goes Mainstream.")

Great cultural and legal changes have taken place in our society because of this Homosexual Urban Legend-but it is slowly but surely being debunked. This is being done not only by conservative psychologists and psychiatrists, but by the admissions of homosexual researchers themselves.

Dr. Robert Spitzer, a NARTH associate, was one of the main forces behind the American Psychiatric Association's 1973 decision to remove homosexuality as a mental illness from the APA's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM).

Dr. Spitzer is now convinced that men and women who have a homosexual orientation can change through therapy. His most recent findings were published in Archives of Sexual Behavior (Vol. 32, No. 5, October 2003, pp. 403-417).

NARTH summarized his findings on its web site. Dr. Spitzer interviewed some 200 men and women who reported changes from homosexual to heterosexual orientation that lasted five years or longer. According to Spitzer, his findings show that "the mental health professionals should stop moving in the direction of banning therapy that has, as a goal, a change in sexual orientation."

One of the most compelling articles to dispel the notion that homosexuality is genetically determined, fixed, and unchangeable is: "The Innate-Immutable Argument Finds No Basis in Science: In Their Own Words: Gay Activists Speak About Science, Morality, Philosophy," by Drs. A. Dean Byrd, Shirley Cox, and Jeffrey W. Robinson. This essay is published on the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality web site.

The authors of this study carefully quote a number of homosexual researchers who have worked for years to locate a "gay gene" or some other genetic basis for homosexuality. They have failed and are now admitting that such evidence may never be found.

Homosexual researcher Dean Hamer, for example, attempted to link male homosexuality to a bit of DNA located at the tip of the X chromosome. He has written: "Homosexuality is not purely genetic…environmental factors play a role. There is not a single master gene that makes people gay. . . . I don't think we will ever be able to predict who will be gay."

Homosexual researcher Simon LeVay, who studied the hypothalamic differences between the brains of homosexual and heterosexual men noted: "It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality is genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain."

Homosexual researchers Bailey and Pillard conducted the famous "twins study" quoted by homosexual activist groups to promote the idea that being "gay" is genetic. The study found that among those twins studied, 52% of identical twins were both homosexual; only 22% of non-identical twins were both homosexual; and 9.2% of non-identical twins.

This was hailed by homosexual activists groups and by the media as supposedly proving that homosexuality is genetic. The study actually proved the opposite. As Byrd, et al, note: "This study actually provides support for environmental factors. If homosexuality were in the genetic code, all of the identical twins would have been homosexual."

In short, the three most famous studies in recent years that homosexual activists use to claim that homosexuality is genetic prove no such thing. In fact, two of the authors of these studies admit their research has not proven a genetic basis to homosexuality.

Catholic Psychiatrists Offer Insights

In June, 2002, Catholic psychiatrists with the Catholic Medical Association in Pewaukee, Wisconsin, sent a letter of concern to the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and offered to help the Catholic Church deal with its scandals over priests with same-sex attractions. Many of these priests are not pedophiles in the clinical sense or the legal sense of the word. These are pederasts or homosexuals who are attracted to teenage boys or young adults.

The letter of concern notes: "There is no verifiable evidence that same-sex attraction is genetically determined. If same-sex attraction were genetically determined, identical twins would always have the same sexual attraction pattern. Numerous studies of twins have shown that this is not the case. And there are numerous studies documenting change of sexual attraction pattern (see 'Homosexuality and Hope,' available at www.cathmed.org). This entire statement is available on the Catholic Medical Association web site. This association is helping to debunk the notion that individuals are "born gay."

If Not Genes,
Then What Causes Homosexuality?

Regent University's Law Review for Spring, 2002, is entirely devoted to a discussion of various aspects of homosexuality, including the origins and causes of homosexual behaviors. The Law Review includes a study, " Homosexuality: Innate and Immutable?" by Dr. A. Dean Byrd and Stony Olsen.

After discussing the lack of evidence on the genetic origins of homosexuality, Dr. Byrd and his associate detail the various environmental factors that can lead a person into a homosexual lifestyle.

Gender Confusion: Dr. George Rekers, an expert on Gender Identity Disorders, is author of dozens of scholarly research papers on homosexuality and wrote Growing Up Straight: What Every Family Should Know About Homosexuality in 1982. He is also editor of Handbook of Child and Adolescent Sexual Problems, published in 1995. Dr. Rekers stated in 1995, that "Gender nonconformity in childhood may be the single common observable factor associated with homosexuality. Some of the typical childhood factors leading to homosexuality are: feeling of being different from other children; perception of father as being distant, uninvolved and unapproving; perception of mother being too close, too involved; diminished or distorted masculinity or femininity; premature introduction to sexuality; and gender confusion.

Failure To Internalize Maleness: Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, president of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality has written: "Homosexuality is a developmental problem that is almost always the result of problems in family relationships, particularly between father and son. As a result of failure with father, the boy does not fully internalize male gender identity, and develops homosexuality. This is the most commonly seen clinical model."

Dr. George Rekers, writing in Growing Up Straight, observes: "Many studies of homosexual patients as well as of nonpatient homosexuals have established a classic pattern of background family relations. The most frequent family pattern reported from the male homosexuals includes a binding, intimate mother in combination with a hostile, detached father."

Sexual Abuse By Same-Sex Predator: In studies conducted by Diana Shrier and Robert Johnson in 1985 and 1988, males who had been sexually abused as children were almost seven times as likely as non-molested boys to become homosexuals.

Dr. Gregory Dickson recently completed a doctoral dissertation on the pattern of relationships between mothers and their male homosexual sons. His paper is entitled: "An Empirical Study of the Mother/Son Dyad in Relation to the Development of Adult Male Homosexuality: An Object Relations Perspective."

Dr. Dickson's study is reviewed on the NARTH web site. His study sheds new light on the relationship between early childhood sexual abuse and a child's later involvement in homosexual behaviors. According to Dickson, an alarming 49% of homosexuals surveyed had been molested compared to less than 2% of heterosexuals.

His study affirms previous findings of Dr. David Finkelhor (1984), which found that boys victimized by older men were four times more likely to be currently involved in homosexual behaviors than were non-victims. As Finkelhor observed: "It may be common for a boy who has been involved in an experience with an older man to label himself as homosexual (1) because he has had a homosexual experience and (2) because he was found to be sexually attractive by a man. Once he labels himself homosexual, the boy may begin to behave consistently with the role and gravitate toward homosexual activity." (Child Sexual Abuse: New Theory and Research, New York: The Free Press, 1984).

Dr. Dickson's study suggests that sexual abuse should be considered in evaluating the factors that contribute to the development of adult homosexual behaviors. Dickson writes: "An experience of sexual abuse could possibly contribute to the sexualizing of the unmet needs for male affection, attention, and connection."

Dr. Dickson continues: "Given the relational deficits [with his mother] experienced by the male child, it is also possible that the molestation, as devastating as it may have been emotionally, simultaneously may be experienced by some of the boys as their first form of adult male affection, as well as something relational that is not shared in common with his mother."

Counselor Dr. Robert Hicks, author of The Masculine Journey, has written: "…In counseling gay men for twenty years, I have not had one yet whom I would say had a normative childhood or normative adolescent development in the sexual arena. More often than not I have found stories of abusive, alcoholic, or absent (physically and emotionally) fathers: stories of incest or first experiences of sex forced upon them by older brothers, neighborhood men, or even friends. I sometimes find these men have had early exposure to pornography…."

Homosexuals Are Made, Not Born

In summary, the most credible research to date on homosexuality-and research conducted years ago-demonstrates that no one is "born gay." The homosexual is suffering from a developmental problem, which frequently starts out in childhood as gender confusion, family dysfunction, or molestation.

From a Christian perspective, homosexual behavior is also labeled a sin and a sexual perversion. It is a behavior that must be repented of. The sin is akin to allowing oneself to become addicted to pornography or to drugs. These behaviors can be overcome-but the person must want to change!

The Bible-both the Old and New Testaments-clearly condemn homosexuality as a sin and a sexual perversion. Dr. Robert Gagnon, assistant professor of New Testament at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary has written a definitive text on how God views homosexuality. In The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics, Gagnon proves beyond doubt that the Bible consistently condemns homosexual behavior but calls the homosexual-and other sinners-to repentance and salvation. Gagnon urges Christians to resist the homosexual agenda but to love the sinner by "befriending the homosexual while withholding approval of homosexual behavior."

There is hope for homosexuals through developing a relationship with Jesus Christ, through both religious and secular counseling programs, and through support groups that provide accountability for those struggling with same-sex attractions and self-destructive behaviors.

Organizations like Exodus International, Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays, NARTH, Reality Resources, and others can provide the resources that homosexuals need to be set free from these self-destructive sexual behaviors. Freedom is possible for those who wish to be free!
 
Logic Aug 7, 2004 06:05 PM
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Originally posted by dcolton:
It is not an attack. What some consider to be wholesome fun (you know, gay sex), I consider to be perverted and amoral. It is a difference of opinion.
You are saying that they are perverted, amoral and suffer from a mental disorder. What about that is not an attack.

So please answer the question. You brought up this subject so I'm pretty sure the mods will allow you to answer the question.
 
dcolton Aug 7, 2004 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by MacGorilla:
I won't have a debate about something I don't consider amoral or perverted. Its hard to find common ground when we can't even agree on how to classifiy the behavior in question.
Perhaps if you and you comrades were civil, we could find common ground. Instead, you guys just hurl the insults and point your stinky little fingers.
 
dcolton Aug 7, 2004 06:07 PM
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Originally posted by Logic:
You are saying that they are perverted, amoral and suffer from a mental disorder. What about that is not an attack.

So please answer the question. You brought up this subject so I'm pretty sure the mods will allow you to answer the question.
Nope...the mods aren't too fair in these parts. But remember.,,

Hate the sin, love the sinner.
 
angaq0k Aug 7, 2004 06:14 PM
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Originally posted by dcolton:
It is not an attack. What some consider to be wholesome fun (you know, gay sex), I consider to be perverted and amoral. It is a difference of opinion.
With 4 threads of rationalizations to sustain your disagreement?

It is no more an opinion... It is a full attack.

If you disagree, you just have to say so. Period.

If you are using anything you can find to feed your so-called "opinion", you are attacking, simply because your opinion is not enough; you need someone else's opinion. Therefore, it is no more "opinion-sharing".

It becomes "popular gay-bashing", and you become the mouth-piece...
 
BRussell Aug 7, 2004 06:15 PM
In related news, psychologists have determined the bases of the mental disorder known as "political conservatism."
:p
 
angaq0k Aug 7, 2004 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by dcolton:
Nope...the mods aren't too fair in these parts. But remember.,,

Hate the sin, love the sinner.
So you love Gay men?
 
dcolton Aug 7, 2004 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by angaq0k:
With 4 threads of rationalizations to sustain your disagreement?

It is no more an opinion... It is a full attack.

If you disagree, you just have to say so. Period.

If you are using anything you can find to feed your so-called "opinion", you are attacking, simply because your opinion is not enough; you need someone else's opinion. Therefore, it is no more "opinion-sharing".

It becomes "popular gay-bashing", and you become the mouth-piece...
Like attacking christians? Like attacking conservatives?
 
Logic Aug 7, 2004 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by dcolton:
Nope...the mods aren't too fair in these parts. But remember.,,

Hate the sin, love the sinner.
Nice duck. But I take that as a yes. That you think Simey suffers from a mental disorder.

And does that mean you love gays and "killer muslims" and terrorists?
 
dcolton Aug 7, 2004 06:22 PM
I will continue with part 5 since no one has anything constructive to add.

Part 5: Hate Crimes
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This Homosexual Urban Legend is used by homosexuals to lobby for state and federal hate crime laws that provide enhanced penalties for crimes committed against homosexuals. These laws, in effect, make heterosexuals second class citizens under the law because they are not a protected class. A person who assaults a homosexual will receive a stiffer penalty than a person who assaults a heterosexual for the same crime.

FBI statistics show that there are actually very few "hate crimes" committed against homosexuals in the United States. Yet homosexuals claim they need federal legislation passed to protect them from what they maintain is an epidemic of hate against them.

Crime in the United States, 1997 (FBI crime statistics), for example, shows that so-called "hate crimes" constitute an extremely small percentage of overall crime. According to the FBI, in 1997:

* Out of 20,000 murders, nine were considered hate crimes.
* Out of every 20,000 rapes, 2 were hate crimes.
* Out of every 20,000 aggravated assaults, 24 were hate crimes.


In fact, the majority of these few hate crimes are not violent at all, but are listed as "simple assault" or "intimidation." A person who "name calls" another person is considered to have committed a hate crime because his "victim" may feel "intimidated." Name calling should not be a federal crime, but it is under many hate crime laws.

In 1998, there were 16,914 murders committed. Of those, 13 were considered hate crimes. The victims were all men, as were their killers. Four of these murders were committed against homosexuals. So out of 16,914 murders in 1998, only four were considered to be hate crimes directed against homosexuals.

The latest hate crime statistics available are from 1999

According to the FBI, in 1999 there were only 1,317 hate crimes directed against homosexuals and many of these were simple assault or intimidation. "Name-calling" rates equally with an assault in hate crime statistics.

Investigative reporter Fred Dickey, writing in the Los Angeles Times Magazine, October 22, 2000, describes the reality of hate crimes in "The Perversion of Hate: Laws Against Hate Crimes Are An Idea Gone Sour. Prosecutors Apply Them Unfairly and the List of 'Special Victims' Keeps Growing." According to Dickey, news reports in 1999 in Los Angeles screamed that the city's hate crimes had risen by 11.7% from 1998. The implication was that the city was experiencing an epidemic of hate crimes. But Dickey points out that in Los Angeles County, an area with 10 million people, there were only 859 hate crimes committed. Most of these were gang related and only 98 resulted in felony charges. This is hardly an epidemic.

Hate Crime Laws Criminalize Thoughts and Feelings

The effort to create a new category of crime, the so-called hate crime, is actually an effort to punish individuals who stray from the current politically correct orthodoxy.

Typically, hate crime laws have prohibitions against "intimidating" or "coercing" an individual. This could be as simple a thing as quoting the Bible to a homosexual co-worker or leaving a tract about sexual orientation on his desk. The Wall Street Journal recently decried the tyranny of hate crime laws. As the Journal observed in "The Hate Politics,"


Like all restrictions on free speech, bans of "racist" or "homophobic" expression rests on a slippery slope. Some Christian denominations believe that homosexuality is a sin. Are their clerics to be silenced by law because this view is unacceptable? … We aren't there yet. But when people can be given additional time in jail for what they were thinking while committing a crime we are approaching rule by a thought police. A good many people, even some supporters of hate-crime legislation, might find that a hateful outcome.


Political scientist Ronald J. Pestritto, a professor at St. Vincent College in Pennsylvania and an Adjunct Fellow with the Claremont Institute has observed that hate crime legislation is a political fad that "seeks to criminalize all feelings, thoughts, or attitudes that run contrary to the trends of the day."

Writing in "The Ideology of Hate Crimes," Pestritto says hate crime laws assume that "...there are more serious crimes out there than murder, or the taking of human life."

The advocates of hate crime laws believe that "crimes motivated by animus toward homosexuals must be considered the most hateful of all. Accordingly, we see that anti-homosexual murder is considered worse than other kinds of murder, yet beating another human being unconscious with a brick and dancing with glee about it, as several Los Angeles rioters did live on television a few years ago, is hardly considered a crime at all since it was motivated by rage over the racist Rodney King trial verdict."

James B. Jacobs and Kimberly Potter, writing in Hate Crimes: Criminal Law & Identity Politics, note that hate crime laws are actually aimed at criminalizing a person's personal opinions and beliefs. The authors note that the term "hate crime" is really not about hate at all, but about a person's beliefs about right and wrong.

According to Jacobs and Potter, "By linking hate speech prohibitions to generic criminal law, many well-meaning advocacy groups and politicians seek to shake a fist at the kind of ideas, opinions, and degenerate personalities that 'right-thinking' people abhor. But we must consider whether punishing crimes motivated by politically unpopular beliefs more severely than crimes motivated by other factors itself violates our First Amendment traditions."

Daniel E. Troy, a scholar with the American Enterprise Institute testified before the House Committee on the Judiciary in August of 1999 against proposed hate crime legislation. Troy told the committee that the fastest way for a group to achieve political power and status is to declare itself to be a victim. Troy writes: "Status as a disfavored group paves the way for special protections and special handouts. Thus, hate crimes legislation makes crimes into political footballs, further polarizing America on the basis of group and identity politics." Troy believes that special interest groups want to be proclaimed as victims so they can have special laws, special handouts, and special treatment. Consider the highly publicized murder of homosexual college student Matthew Shepard. The killers, Russell A. Henderson and Aaron J. McKinney have already been sentenced to life in prison without parole.

Should extra penalties be applied because of what Henderson and McKinney thought when they were killing Shepard? No one brutally murders another person out of love. Every violent murder is hate-motivated.

As National Journal editor Michael Kelly observed in a Washington Post column in October of 1998, what Henderson and McKinney did was a terrible thing, but "would it have been less terrible if Shepard had not been gay? If Henderson and McKinney beat Shepard to death because they hated him personally, not as a member of a group, should the law treat them more lightly? Yes, say hate-crime laws."

Kelly rightly observes that, "Hate crime laws require the state to treat one physical assault differently from the way it would treat another-solely because the state has decided that one motivation for assaulting a person is more heinous than another."

U.S. News & World Report columnist John Leo agrees. In a 1998 column, Leo noted that hate crime laws are ostensibly created to provide special protections for minority groups. Yet this violates the principle of equality under the law. Leo says, "Equal protection should mean one law for all, pursued evenhandedly regardless of our differences, not separate laws invented because of them."

Hate crime laws are frequently expanded to include so-called "hate speech" or actions that might be perceived by a person to be hateful. This could include sharing one's faith in the office with a homosexual co-worker or a child writing a report in school that is critical of homosexual behavior. Hate crime laws should not protect a deviant sexual behavior that many Americans oppose.

Current hate crime laws that provide special rights for homosexuals should be repealed and any new hate crime legislation should be defeated!
 
Spliffdaddy Aug 7, 2004 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by dcolton:
Like attacking christians? Like attacking conservatives?
good point
 
dcolton Aug 7, 2004 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by Logic:
Nice duck. But I take that as a yes. That you think Simey suffers from a mental disorder.

And does that mean you love gays and "killer muslims" and terrorists?
I love all people. Regretfully, some need tough love.
 
Zimphire Aug 7, 2004 06:28 PM
The truth.... it burns.....


Shut it out...
 
sanity assassin Aug 7, 2004 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by dcolton:
Answering that ? could be construed as a personal attaack...and considering the bias of the mods here...I choose not to answer your question and once again wait for the people who support amorality and perversion to stick to the topic.

What you mean is, you won't answer cause you share a similar political stance with Simey. You'd put aside your anti-homosexual beliefs when it becomes self-serving.
 
MindFad Aug 7, 2004 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
The truth.... it burns.....


Shut it out...
Yeah, tell us about it.
 
Logic Aug 7, 2004 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by dcolton:
I love all people. Regretfully, some need tough love.
Is it an act of love to kill someone? Or what do you mean?

And was I correct in my assumption that you think Simey suffers from a mental disorder?
 
sanity assassin Aug 7, 2004 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by dcolton:
Like attacking christians? Like attacking conservatives?
On you go, feel free to post whatever nonsense you feel. Just don't be surprised when you get the slap down, just like when others discuss any other topic.
 
sanity assassin Aug 7, 2004 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
The truth.... it burns.....


Shut it out...
Could you be anymore redundant?
 
Zimphire Aug 7, 2004 06:32 PM
Redundant? Just doing an imitation of the knee-jerkers in here.

HOW DARE HE POST THE TRUTH!

http://webpages.charter.net/zimphire.../homophobe.jpg
 
Spheric Harlot Aug 7, 2004 06:34 PM
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Originally posted by dcolton:
I will continue with part 5 since no one has anything constructive to add.
your brain's/worldview's inability to accomodate others' opinions does not make them inconstructive.
 
angaq0k Aug 7, 2004 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by dcolton:
Like attacking christians? Like attacking conservatives?
Have ALL Gays attacked Christians? And have ALL Gays attacked Conservatives as well?
 
dcolton Aug 7, 2004 06:35 PM
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Originally posted by MindFad:
Yeah, tell us about it.
Okay...Part 6: Suicide Myth

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Homosexual Urban Legend: 30% Of Teen Suicide Victims Are Homosexuals

For more than a decade, Traditional Values Coalition has been repeatedly exposing the myth of an "epidemic" of "homosexual" teen suicides.

Now, a psychologist has published the results of two studies that-once again-expose the Homosexual Urban Legend that teens who have homosexual feelings are committing suicides in record numbers.

Homosexual activists have repeatedly claimed for more than ten years that 30% of all teens who have attempted suicide are homosexuals. The mythological 30% figure was concocted by a homosexual social worker named Paul Gibson who wrote "Gay Male and Lesbian Youth Suicide," published in 1989. It has been thoroughly debunked, but homosexuals continue to use the figure because it supports their political and social agenda.

This 30% myth has been used over and over again to convince public school officials to establish pro-homosexual counseling programs, special clubs for homosexuals run by Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN) teenagers, and sensitivity/anti-homophobia training sessions to convince straight students that homosexual behavior is normal.

The latest studies that expose the 30% urban legend appear in the December, 2001 issue of Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology. The author of these studies is Cornell University psychologist Ritch Savin-Williams.

Savin-Williams says previous homosexual teen suicide studies were flawed and exaggerated because they were drawn from group homes or runaway shelters where the most troubled teens gather. Researchers also took at face value the claims that these teens made about their attempts at suicide.

Savin-Williams surveyed a more representative group of teens. He focused on 349 students, ages 17 to 25. When these students told him they had tried to kill themselves, he asked them what method they had used.

Savin-Williams discovered the following:

* Over half of these reported suicide attempts turned out to be "thinking about it" rather than attempting it.


* One study of 83 women showed a true suicide rate of 13% for those who hadn't attended a support group. (Between 7% and 13% of all teens have tried to kill themselves, according to latest figures.)


* Another survey of 266 college men and women found that teens who think they are homosexuals were not much more likely to have attempted suicide than straight students. Homosexual students were more likely to have reported "attempts," but these turned out to be "thinking" about suicide rather than actually doing it.


According to Savin-Williams, homosexual teen suicide statistics unfairly "pathologize gay youth, and that's not fair to them." Savin-Williams is not "anti-homosexual," but has apparently attempted to conduct honest research.

In fact, Beth Reis, a pro-homosexual activist with the Safe Schools Coalition solicited a clarification from Savin-Williams on his research. Reis was concerned that his work might have been misreported in the media. It was not.

Savin-Williams responded to her by noting: "When I solicit a broad spectrum of youths with same sex attractions, and not only those who openly identify as gay, lesbian, or bisexual while in high school, and asked in-depth questions about their suicide history, I found statistically no difference in the suicide attempt rate based on sexual attractions. Although same-sex attracted youths initially reported a higher rate of suicide attempts, on further probing this sexual attraction disappeared." Savin-Williams believes that pro-homosexual adults have done a disservice to homosexual teens by creating a "suffering, suicidal, tragic" script for them that often leads these troubled teens to report attempted suicides when these events did not occur.

According to Savin-Williams, homosexuals do a disservice to "gay" teens when they "paint them with one rather narrow negative brush stroke." Homosexuals, however, have won great inroads into public schools by claiming that "gay" teens are killing themselves in record numbers. This 30% suicide claim is now gone-and activists are finally being forced to admit this fact-something they had refused to do for more than a decade.

Human Rights Campaign (HRC), an aggressive homosexual group has continuously pushed the 30% urban legend over the years. HRC spokesman David Smith reluctantly admitted that the 30% figure is wrong, but he told USA Today, "Nobody disputes the fact being gay or lesbian in high school is not a very pleasant experience. The core problem is prejudice and harassment that goes unchecked in school settings. School officials take no action. We need to address that problem head-on."

Homosexual activists like David Smith have ignored more than a decade of studies debunking the 30% statistic. As noted above, the 30% urban legend was created by homosexual social worker Paul Gibson in 1989. Gibson's flawed study became an appendix in a Health and Human Services report entitled, "Gay Male and Lesbian Youth Suicide." Although Gibson's work was repudiated by then-Secretary of HHS, Dr. Louis W. Sullivan, homosexual activists were successful in using Gibson's work to push for "gay" counseling programs and "tolerance" curricula in our nation's public schools. Gibson's report, for example, was used by activists in Massachusetts to establish a state-wide gay and lesbian youth commission funded with millions of dollars by the state.

Gibson's 30% figure was based, in part, on a quotation from a homosexual activist in the Washington Blade who speculated that 3,000 homosexual teens killed themselves each year.

Inaccurate Report Still Used To Promote Homosexual Agenda

Activists continue to use his report, despite the fact that his work has been debunked. What are the most frequently quoted "facts" from Gibson's report? They are:

1. That homosexual teens account for one third of all teen suicides;
2. That homosexual teens are two to three times more likely to commit suicide than their heterosexual counterparts;
3. That suicide is the leading cause of death among "gay" and "lesbian" youth;
4. That "gay" youth suicide is caused by internalized homophobia and violence directed against struggling teen homosexuals.


Few journalists took the time to actually analyze Gibson's report when it came out. As a result, his non-facts became part of the culture. One enterprising journalist who actually studied the report is Delia M. Rios with the Newhouse News Service. Her report, "Statistics on gay suicides are baseless, researchers say," was published in the Seattle Times on May 22, 1997.

Rios quoted Peter Muehrer, with the National Institutes of Mental Health. Muehrer said most major research studies citing a link between sexual orientation and suicide are "limited in both quantity and quality." He also said there are no agreed-upon standards in suicide research and reliable methods for measuring suicide attempts are nonexistent.


Because of these factors, said Muehrer, "…it is not possible to accurately compare suicide attempt rates between gay and lesbian youth and non-gay youth in the general population." According to Muehrer, "There is no scientific evidence to support this (30%) figure."


Peter Labarbera, author of The Gay Youth Suicide Myth published by the Family Research Council, quotes Dr. David Shaffer, one of the nation's leading authorities on youth suicide. Shaffer analyzed Gibson's figures and observed: "I struggled for a long time over [Gibson's] mathematics, but, in the end, it seemed more like hocus-pocus than math."

In short, while Gibson's non-facts are still being used by homosexuals to promote the recruitment and seduction of children in our nation's public schools, there is now new evidence from Cornell's Savin-Williams, showing that suicide among homosexual teens is no more likely than among heterosexual teenagers.

The cold, hard fact is that teens who are struggling with homosexual feelings are more likely to be sexually molested by a homosexual school counselor or teacher than to commit suicide over their feelings of despair. In fact, TVC's Special Report, Homosexual Child Molesters [ Download PDF version ] reveals new statistics on the high rates of homosexual molestation of children in our nation's public schools. Statistics show that homosexual school personnel account for as many as 40% of all child molestations in schools. The fact that homosexuals account for only 1-2% of the population should be of great concern to parents and school officials. Homosexuals should be kept away from children, not serve as mentors for them in schools.
 
sanity assassin Aug 7, 2004 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
Redundant? Just doing an imitation of the knee-jerkers in here.

AKA not dcolton.
No, virtually all your posts are like that, hence my feelings that they are redundant. It's a general vibe thing, ya know?

Anyway, why copy those who you think are just making knee-jerk reactions?

Go on, be brave, post a little.


As to dolton, pffftt, he copy/pastes someone else's article while peddling his thinly veiled hatred.
 
angaq0k Aug 7, 2004 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by dcolton:
I love all people. Regretfully, some need tough love.
Tough love is also synonymous of abuse...
 
dcolton Aug 7, 2004 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by sanity assassin:
What you mean is, you won't answer cause you share a similar political stance with Simey. You'd put aside your anti-homosexual beliefs when it becomes self-serving.
No. I have respect for Simey just as I have respect for Lerkfish. I just don't think it is necessary to point out a specific individual for whatever reason.

Still waiting for anyone to address the issue. I wonder why you all are avoiding the issue.
 
Zimphire Aug 7, 2004 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by sanity assassin:
No, virtually all your posts are like that,

No, as I explained, my posts have been mockeries of those that are acting like it.
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Anyway, why copy those who you think are just making knee-jerk reactions?

Go on, be brave, post a little.

That would be silly and off topic.
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thinly veiled hatred.
You are nee-jerking again.
 
Zimphire Aug 7, 2004 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by dcolton:
Still waiting for anyone to address the issue. I wonder why you all are avoiding the issue.
I've noticed no one has.
 
sanity assassin Aug 7, 2004 06:39 PM
Dcolton, god, it's so tempting to call you dolt, but I'l refrain from that. Anyway, could you post YOUR opinions on this matter rather than peddling someone else's work? It just comes across as troll material when you post without making your stance known, in a clear, concise manner.
 
dcolton Aug 7, 2004 06:40 PM
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Originally posted by angaq0k:
Have ALL Gays attacked Christians? And have ALL Gays attacked Conservatives as well?
Not referring to gays. Talking about people like YOU!
 
dcolton Aug 7, 2004 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
your brain's/worldview's inability to accomodate others' opinions does not make them inconstructive.
I haven't seen any opinions offered. Just personal attacks and insults.
 
Zimphire Aug 7, 2004 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by sanity assassin:
Dcolton, god, it's so tempting to call you dolt, but I'l refrain from that.

Anyone else find that funny?

sanity assassin it's so tempting to call you a scruffy looking nerf herder, but I'll refrain from that.

:D
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Anyway, could you post YOUR opinions on this matter rather than peddling someone else's work? It just comes across as troll material when you post without making your stance known, in a clear, concise manner.
If he just posted his opinion you guys would all say "Yeah but that is YOUR opinion" and call him hate filled, and homophobic, and other silly knee-jerks.

How about just debunk the article he is posting?
 
Spheric Harlot Aug 7, 2004 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by dcolton:
Still waiting for anyone to address the issue. I wonder why you all are avoiding the issue.
Is there anything there that wasn't covered in the four thousand or so posts of discussion on homosexual marriage/homosexuality in general of the past six months?

I can't tell, because reading through that offensive drivel frankly just makes me sick.

I humbly suggest you seek help in dealing with your own issues elsewhere.

-s*
 
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