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Big Mac Jan 29, 2012 10:01 PM
Al Gore Part 2: Liar Liar Pants on Fire
Global warming trend ended in 1997, new data shows | Times 247
Quote
The supposed "consensus" on man-made global warming is facing an inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.

The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the Thames in the 17th Century.

Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in world temperatures ended in 1997.
So what say you now, Liberals, Leftists, Statists, Socialists, Communists, et al? Is this yet another false report by the false prophets of the vast right-wing conspiracy, or could it possibly be that solar activity (you know, that gigantic ball of fire in the sky during the daytime) has a much greater effect on global climate than the greenhouse hypothesis? Is Al Gore going to go down in history as one of the biggest human turds of the latter 20th Century for attempting to frighten the civilized world into eco-terrorist submission and then attempting to profit massively from that deceit?
 
turtle777 Jan 29, 2012 10:04 PM
Shit, I wish there was some more Global Warming. But only in winter.

-t
 
lpkmckenna Jan 29, 2012 10:26 PM
What do I say? I say your Daily Fail source is the scourge of the news world.
 
Big Mac Jan 29, 2012 10:58 PM
A likely story. So now who's the denier of science? But thank you for responding to one of the correct labels I assigned you.
 
Waragainstsleep Jan 30, 2012 04:28 AM
I don't know what it is but something is definitely changing. The weather in the UK has changed a lot since I was a kid. It used to be reasonably dependable but its not any more and this year in particular is weird. I don't think we even had a frost until after christmas.
I hope its not still snowing come April and May. Winter seems to be running very late this year.
 
lpkmckenna Jan 30, 2012 04:57 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Big Mac (Post 4145846)
So now who's the denier of science?
What science? There's no link to any scientific information.

The Daily Fail makes sh!t up every day. They are literally the worst rag of the English-speaking world. Did you really not know that? Did you not notice that a third of their front page is celebrity gossip, and the other two-thirds is rightwing outrage interspersed with anonymous sex tales, heroic doggie stories, and Europe-bashing?

Give me a credible news source and I will read it and tell you what I think about it.
 
Waragainstsleep Jan 30, 2012 05:19 AM
The Daily Mail according to Russell Howard:

"ASBOs, Muslims, speed camera, speed camera, ASBOs, Muslims, speed camera, speed camera"

Mock The Week Newspapers - YouTube
 
subego Jan 30, 2012 05:59 AM
What I hated about the last Al Gore thread is I posted in it once on the first page. Then for years I'd visit, see the green dot, get that brief moment of excitement, only to go "this thread again?"

Oh shi...
 
besson3c Jan 30, 2012 08:23 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by subego (Post 4145884)
What I hated about the last Al Gore thread is I posted in it once on the first page. Then for years I'd visit, see the green dot, get that brief moment of excitement, only to go "this thread again?"

Oh shi...

It would be okay with me without the taunting and other emotional stuff in the leading post.

Threads like this are just personal therapy for Big Mac though, from my observations, just an opportunity to use the thread as an escape valve for his rants.
 
The Final Dakar Jan 30, 2012 10:34 AM
I for one feel confident that those who would welcome this article's results have put in as much effort verifying or debunking it's information as another article that would have the opposite conclusion.
 
besson3c Jan 30, 2012 11:15 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by The Final Dakar (Post 4145944)
I for one feel confident that those who would welcome this article's results have put in as much effort verifying or debunking it's information as another article that would have the opposite conclusion.
Are you challenging us to an article URL copy and paste-off?
 
andi*pandi Jan 30, 2012 01:49 PM
Which is to say, none at all.
 
SpaceMonkey Jan 30, 2012 03:03 PM
Is this the thread where people make wild generalizations about global climate patterns based on relatively minor chunks of data?
 
besson3c Jan 30, 2012 03:05 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey (Post 4146036)
Is this the thread where people make wild generalizations about global climate patterns based on relatively minor chunks of data?
No, that's the forest fire thread.
 
lpkmckenna Jan 30, 2012 10:31 PM
Did I fncking call it or what?

Discover Magazine: While temperatures rise, denialists reach lower

And Met Office calls out Daily Mail on misinformation.

That's right, the very scientific source of Daily Fail's "report" fought back when Daily Fail completely lied about the contents of the Met Office's work.

Mods, this thread should be renamed "Daily Mail: Liar Liar Pants on Fire." Or maybe it should be called "Big Mac will believe almost any lie he reads if a right-winger wrote it."
 
hyteckit Jan 31, 2012 12:41 AM
 
Shaddim Jan 31, 2012 12:50 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey (Post 4146036)
Is this the thread where people make wild generalizations about global climate patterns based on relatively minor chunks of data?
No, it's where I say the whole subject is worth f*ck-all, and go about doing what I want to do anyway. :)
 
CRASH HARDDRIVE Jan 31, 2012 01:50 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey (Post 4146036)
Is this the thread where people make wild generalizations about global climate patterns based on relatively minor chunks of data?
That's pretty much all MMGW threads.
 
besson3c Jan 31, 2012 06:28 PM
So, what now?

Prediction: no opinions have been changed, GW deniers will lay back and wait for the next article providing alleged smoking gun evidence that GW does not exist, GW believers will continue on continuing on?
 
CRASH HARDDRIVE Jan 31, 2012 11:49 PM
What now? MMGW nutcases continue using just as much energy as everyone else (in algore's case a hell of a lot more) and everyone else continues to do whatever it is they do.

The biggest thing that none of us changed -hypocrites or otherwise- was the earth's temperature. :p
 
olePigeon Feb 1, 2012 12:28 AM
It's one thing to say that we can't just change over night because entire industries, jobs, revenue, and services are dependent on the things that cause global warming; but it's something else completely to just shut your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears whenever the data is presented to you.

I don't understand why it's been so politicized. It would make more sense if the parties had different solutions on how to solve the problem rather than arguing about if there's a problem in the first place.

United States is pretty much the last country on Earth that still thinks there's a debate. I find it odd that people are so willfully ignorant.
 
olePigeon Feb 1, 2012 12:30 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE (Post 4146441)
The biggest thing that none of us changed -hypocrites or otherwise- was the earth's temperature. :p
The evidence demonstrates otherwise, and 99% of the experts in the field disagree with you. I know, you're the 1%. Maybe you can go occupy something.
 
CRASH HARDDRIVE Feb 1, 2012 12:35 AM
So shut off your computer and stop using energy already. You probably upped the earth's temp a fraction of a percent typing that response. Go plant a tree to atone for your sins. It's your religion, not mine. How come most of your MMGW cultists don't actually practice anything you preach?
 
turtle777 Feb 1, 2012 12:36 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by olePigeon (Post 4146447)
I know, you're the 1%. Maybe you can go occupy something.
Political joke FAIL.

-t
 
hyteckit Feb 1, 2012 01:17 AM
Damn. This has been a hot January month.
 
hyteckit Feb 1, 2012 01:19 AM
Some are so blinded by their hatred of Al Gore, that they'll be against anything Al Gore supports even if there are vast amounts of evidence supporting the evidence of Global Warming.

Al Gore Derangement Syndrome
 
Waragainstsleep Feb 1, 2012 04:30 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by olePigeon (Post 4146445)
I don't understand why it's been so politicized.
Well there is a whole lot of people who are quite happy running around in gas-guzzling V8s that develop less power than a modern hard drive motor and a lot of people making piles of cash that would grow more slowly if they or their customers reduced fossil fuel usage or rallied against the unmitigated exploitation of natural resources and they prefer not to change their lifestyles or decrease their disposable income.

When you then have a party willing to tell them that this behaviour is fine and they can carry on as they please without having to spend any time, effort or money changing themselves or their habits, you are on to a vote winner. Its laziness and selfishness on the part of the voters and amoral power grabbing on the part of the politicians, none of which should surprise you at all.
 
olePigeon Feb 1, 2012 01:02 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE (Post 4146448)
So shut off your computer and stop using energy already.
Maybe you missed the part where I said:

Quote, Originally Posted by olePigeon (Post 4146445)
It's one thing to say that we can't just change over night because entire industries, jobs, revenue, and services are dependent on the things that cause global warming; but it's something else completely to just shut your eyes and stick your fingers in your ears whenever the data is presented to you.
Quote, Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE (Post 4146448)
You probably upped the earth's temp a fraction of a percent typing that response. Go plant a tree to atone for your sins. It's your religion, not mine. How come most of your MMGW cultists don't actually practice anything you preach?
It's not a religion. It's not even an opinion. It's science. If you had bothered to read what I had posted instead of spewing partisan bullsh*t, you'd realize I'm not advocating having everyone change over night. I'm more practical than that. I think making small goals as a nation is a step in the right direction. Investing in hydrogen and encouraging innovation. These are things that can drive our country to be more prosperous and help deal with the problems we've created.

But we can't even do that. For whatever reason, we have an entire political party trying to convince people of something contrary to all the evidence. It's mind boggling.

What I don't understand is why this is a partisan issue. There's money to be made and jobs to be created by solving these issues, so where's the problem? There's a way to do this without disrupting everyone's lives or hurting business owners and shareholders. We just need a little cooperation.

Humans are pretty darn innovative. I think we can make important changes without making any sacrifices.
 
The Final Dakar Feb 1, 2012 01:15 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by olePigeon (Post 4146559)
It's science
It's inconvenient.

Quote, Originally Posted by olePigeon (Post 4146559)
What I don't understand is why this is a partisan issue.
It represents more regulation and a decrease in profits for certain industries. That's all it'll take.
 
besson3c Feb 1, 2012 01:34 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by olePigeon (Post 4146559)
What I don't understand is why this is a partisan issue. There's money to be made and jobs to be created by solving these issues, so where's the problem? There's a way to do this without disrupting everyone's lives or hurting business owners and shareholders. We just need a little cooperation.

My theory as to why it is a partisan issue...

It seems that what is in dispute is whether GW is being contributed to by man. With some people there is literally nothing that can be said that would change their mind either way, they are committed to their beliefs.

However, these beliefs are so fervent that they can't even mentally get to the practical side of non fossil fuel-based energy that has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not man is contributing to GW, because whenever any topic comes up that triggers some relation to this issue they have an emotional response they cannot get past. How many emotional responses have we seen in the history of MacNN similar to Crash's? Literally dozens, if not hundreds.

I kind of share your confusion though, probably because I'm pretty good at keeping my emotions under control with debating most subject matter, including this. Sometimes I'm unemotional to a fault though, so I'm not trying to claim that I'm awesome or anything. I am awesome, but not for this reason.
 
The Final Dakar Feb 1, 2012 01:37 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by besson3c (Post 4146564)
I kind of share your confusion though, probably because I'm pretty good at keeping my emotions under control with debating most subject matter, including this. Sometimes I'm unemotional to a fault though, so I'm not trying to claim that I'm awesome or anything.
All thread participants have now been assigned shovels to allow safe passage from this thread.
 
besson3c Feb 1, 2012 01:43 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by The Final Dakar (Post 4146566)
All thread participants have now been assigned shovels to allow safe passage from this thread.
Well, I might convey emotion, but I'm not really stewing about stuff I come across on the internet. If I did I wouldn't be so quick to start a new thread given how many have gone not so well...
 
The Final Dakar Feb 1, 2012 01:49 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by besson3c (Post 4146571)
Well, I might convey emotion, but I'm not really stewing about stuff I come across on the internet. If I did I wouldn't be so quick to start a new thread given how many have gone not so well...
You know, curiosity, confusion, and astonishment are all emotions. And your lack of shame, embarrassment, or ability to learn don't necessarily denote a lack of emotion.
 
besson3c Feb 1, 2012 01:54 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by The Final Dakar (Post 4146573)
You know, curiosity, confusion, and astonishment are all emotions. And your lack of shame, embarrassment, or ability to learn don't necessarily denote a lack of emotion.

Ahh, I see your point. I meant the sort of emotions that affect debate tone and behavior.

Speaking of lack of ability to learn, I hope that someday you learn that these sorts of cheap shots are unnecessary, generally speaking. I learn from my involvement and from what is said all the time. You're right that I lack shame and embarrassment though :)
 
The Final Dakar Feb 1, 2012 01:57 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by besson3c (Post 4146576)
Ahh, I see your point. I meant the sort of emotions that affect debate tone and behavior.

Speaking of lack of ability to learn, I hope that someday you learn that these sorts of cheap shots are unnecessary, generally speaking. I learn from my involvement and from what is said all the time. You're right that I lack shame and embarrassment though :)
Define: cheap shot.
 
besson3c Feb 1, 2012 02:05 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by The Final Dakar (Post 4146578)
Define: cheap shot.
Provoking/picking a random fight with somebody over an issue of no real importance.
 
Waragainstsleep Feb 1, 2012 02:20 PM
Its not even about genuine belief, its about what people want to believe. The oil barons want to keep making cash hand over fist so they speak, do, bribe lobby and vote accordingly. Others will buy into it because they want to continue driving their 8-litre pickups without feeling bad about it or being charged extra, others again will buy it simply because it has become a partisan issue and thats the party line now.

The reasons why people jump on this bandwagon are not hard to understand, its the laziness, selfishness and ignorance that is.
 
The Final Dakar Feb 1, 2012 02:27 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by besson3c (Post 4146579)
Provoking/picking a random fight with somebody over an issue of no real importance.
I'm not looking for a fight, I'm calling it as I see it. I'd say your inability to learn is of some importance, given the amount of people who get frustrated at the conversational circles they end up running with you. With some of the questions you ask, many times I feel like a good portion of the forum, if not just myself, can't tell if you're playing dumb or actually dumb. It seems once a month I respond to a post of yours aimed at the conservative side of the forum because the question is so basic, anyone who follows politics with any consistency should know.

If it makes me a bad guy to feel free to air my opinion, so be it. I appreciate the effort to keep the political lounge, well, alive, but your reflection on what I would see as a side of the political spectrum we share some views on completely guts me and leaves me embarrassed to read many of your posts. I believe this forum needs more honesty in all forms, including the type of political in-fighting that conservatives deem off-limits because of their more strict "us vs. them" mentality.
So I'm being honest.
 
Uncle Skeleton Feb 1, 2012 02:38 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by The Final Dakar (Post 4146587)
I'm not looking for a fight, I'm calling it as I see it. I'd say your inability to learn is of some importance, given the amount of people who get frustrated at the conversational circles they end up running with you. With some of the questions you ask, many times I feel like a good portion of the forum, if not just myself, can't tell if you're playing dumb or actually dumb. It seems once a month I respond to a post of yours aimed at the conservative side of the forum because the question is so basic, anyone who follows politics with any consistency should know.

If it makes me a bad guy to feel free to air my opinion, so be it. I appreciate the effort to keep the political lounge, well, alive, but your reflection on what I would see as a side of the political spectrum we share some views on completely guts me and leaves me embarrassed to read many of your posts. I believe this forum needs more honesty in all forms, including the type of political in-fighting that conservatives deem off-limits because of their more strict "us vs. them" mentality.
So I'm being honest.
http://i413.photobucket.com/albums/p...WorfRoresa.gif
 
The Final Dakar Feb 1, 2012 02:44 PM
I'm... not sure quite how to take that.
 
hyteckit Feb 1, 2012 03:44 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE (Post 4146448)
So shut off your computer and stop using energy already.
More conservative black and white thinking. All or nothing. :lol:

There's never a middle ground.
 
hyteckit Feb 1, 2012 03:45 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep (Post 4146584)

The reasons why people jump on this bandwagon are not hard to understand, its the laziness, selfishness and ignorance that is.
You forgot politics. That's why Al Gore's name is in the thread title.
 
Waragainstsleep Feb 1, 2012 04:24 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by hyteckit (Post 4146612)
You forgot politics. That's why Al Gore's name is in the thread title.
I mentioned the politics, I just don't think the politics are so hard to understand.
 
ebuddy Feb 1, 2012 07:35 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by olePigeon (Post 4146447)
The evidence demonstrates otherwise, and 99% of the experts in the field disagree with you. I know, you're the 1%. Maybe you can go occupy something.
99% of the experts "in the field" say absolutely nothing of the sort. You've got a circle-jerk of pals who review one another's work before handing it off to a panel of government officials and authors who haven't a clue of what they're writing.

It became politicized once it made its way into the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change commissioned as a governing body to assess the scientific, technical, and socio-economic information related to the risk of human-induced climate change and draft legislation to address the foregone conclusion.

Hide the decline!
 
besson3c Feb 1, 2012 08:11 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by ebuddy (Post 4146699)
99% of the experts "in the field" say absolutely nothing of the sort. You've got a circle-jerk of pals who review one another's work before handing it off to a panel of government officials and authors who haven't a clue of what they're writing.

It became politicized once it made its way into the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change commissioned as a governing body to assess the scientific, technical, and socio-economic information related to the risk of human-induced climate change and draft legislation to address the foregone conclusion.

Hide the decline!

What would it take for you to believe that man is contributing to GW? Just wondering...
 
Waragainstsleep Feb 1, 2012 08:29 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by besson3c (Post 4146715)
What would it take for you to believe that man is contributing to GW? Just wondering...
Something tells me this is like asking a religious person what it would take to stop them believing in god.
:stick:
 
hyteckit Feb 1, 2012 10:04 PM
 
Big Mac Feb 1, 2012 10:18 PM
Interesting reactions. I didn't mean to spark a Dakar-besson political battle. Never saw that one coming actually.
 
imitchellg5 Feb 1, 2012 10:35 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep (Post 4145872)
I don't know what it is but something is definitely changing. The weather in the UK has changed a lot since I was a kid. It used to be reasonably dependable but its not any more and this year in particular is weird. I don't think we even had a frost until after christmas.
I hope its not still snowing come April and May. Winter seems to be running very late this year.
I was just talking about that with my dad. When I was growing up in Seattle, we'd rarely get snow at all. We'd be lucky to get an inch on one day a year. Now, the last four or five winters have had major snow events with nearly a foot (sometimes more) of snow. My dad grew up in Colorado Springs where he would routinely wake up to multiple FEET of snow. The most snow I've seen in Colorado Springs, where I spend most of the winter since 2005, has been 18 inches. Something has definitely shifted. However, I'm not prepared to believe that this isn't a natural part of the earth. As a historian, there have definitely been weather trends within written history that have had a major effected on civilization. For example, Europe experienced extremely cold and long winters during the 14th century that resulted in malnutrition for the growing population. We know these trends exist. I don't think it's as serious though as Al Gore and Co say. I'm not sure that human pollution really contributes a lot to this, though I also don't think we should be okay with factories and oil refineries spewing crap into the atmosphere 24/7.
 
besson3c Feb 1, 2012 10:44 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by The Final Dakar (Post 4146587)
I'm not looking for a fight, I'm calling it as I see it. I'd say your inability to learn is of some importance, given the amount of people who get frustrated at the conversational circles they end up running with you. With some of the questions you ask, many times I feel like a good portion of the forum, if not just myself, can't tell if you're playing dumb or actually dumb. It seems once a month I respond to a post of yours aimed at the conservative side of the forum because the question is so basic, anyone who follows politics with any consistency should know.

If it makes me a bad guy to feel free to air my opinion, so be it. I appreciate the effort to keep the political lounge, well, alive, but your reflection on what I would see as a side of the political spectrum we share some views on completely guts me and leaves me embarrassed to read many of your posts. I believe this forum needs more honesty in all forms, including the type of political in-fighting that conservatives deem off-limits because of their more strict "us vs. them" mentality.
So I'm being honest.
My tactics here over the years I would have thought would be pretty transparent by now. I'm here to have fun. Sometimes this means thoughtful research, sometimes I'm lazy, sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm not. I don't really care if I embarrass myself because I don't take this place all that seriously. Given that so few threads pan out into productive conversation, is this not a rational way of going about things?

If you are so bothered by embarrassing questions and stuff, why do you never take a more active stance in calling out ridiculous tactics and rhetoric and stuff that prevents even getting into the subject matter (e.g. emotional rant threads/posts, leading questions, phantom enemies, the MacNN filtration process, etc.)? With so much of this, it would seem that what you are describing would be the least of anybody's worries?
 
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