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subego Feb 11, 2013 11:42 AM
The Pope Resigns
 
The Final Dakar Feb 11, 2013 11:46 AM
I thought I heard wrong this morning. Let the conspiracies begin!
 
subego Feb 11, 2013 11:49 AM
And jokes.

Ex-Benedict leads the pack out of the gate.
 
Thorzdad Feb 11, 2013 11:57 AM
I'm sure he just wants to spend more time with his family.
 
Waragainstsleep Feb 11, 2013 05:43 PM
Good riddance. It'll be interesting to see what sort of replacement they come up with. I can see a more liberal one with a much less hardline stance on homosexuality given the current climate of changing marriage equality laws and whatnot.
 
turtle777 Feb 11, 2013 08:28 PM
Pretty classy move, not staying on as a vegetable.

-t
 
Dork. Feb 11, 2013 09:02 PM
What exactly does a retired pope do? Go fishing?
 
OldManMac Feb 11, 2013 11:00 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep (Post 4216783)
Good riddance. It'll be interesting to see what sort of replacement they come up with. I can see a more liberal one with a much less hardline stance on homosexuality given the current climate of changing marriage equality laws and whatnot.
I'd like to see that, but I'm not holding my breath. The higher ups in the Catholic Church are old men, who are hardened in their ways, and who believe that they're right, and the rest of the world, no matter how much they're outmatched is wrong. Changing views in society have nothing to do with their beliefs.
 
OreoCookie Feb 11, 2013 11:18 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep (Post 4216783)
Good riddance. It'll be interesting to see what sort of replacement they come up with. I can see a more liberal one with a much less hardline stance on homosexuality given the current climate of changing marriage equality laws and whatnot.
Ratzinger has put a lot of backwards-oriented people into high positions, rekindled his relationship with radical groups such as the Society of St. Pius (whose members were excommunicated by John Paul II) and Opus Dei. More liberal critics such as his long-time colleague at Tübingen University Küng are still shunned (his missio canonica is still revoked). I don't think there is any sign for movement in a »more liberal« direction.
 
OreoCookie Feb 11, 2013 11:23 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Dork. (Post 4216808)
What exactly does a retired pope do? Go fishing?
He's going to live with seven virgins in a castle.
 
leekohler2 Feb 12, 2013 06:20 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep (Post 4216783)
Good riddance. It'll be interesting to see what sort of replacement they come up with. I can see a more liberal one with a much less hardline stance on homosexuality given the current climate of changing marriage equality laws and whatnot.
No kidding- good riddance to bad rubbish. The former Hitler youth should have never been in charge in the first place.
 
Dork. Feb 12, 2013 07:27 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by OreoCookie (Post 4216820)
Good for him! We should all be so lucky. :)
 
The Final Dakar Feb 12, 2013 09:10 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Dork. (Post 4216808)
What exactly does a retired pope do? Go fishing?
Shit in the woods.
 
pooka Feb 12, 2013 10:09 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by The Final Dakar (Post 4216857)
Shit in the woods.
*like*
 
Shaddim Feb 12, 2013 04:24 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by OreoCookie (Post 4216819)
Ratzinger has put a lot of backwards-oriented people into high positions, rekindled his relationship with radical groups such as the Society of St. Pius (whose members were excommunicated by John Paul II) and Opus Dei. More liberal critics such as his long-time colleague at Tübingen University Küng are still shunned (his missio canonica is still revoked). I don't think there is any sign for movement in a »more liberal« direction.
Wholeheartedly agree, here. The RCC is most definitely not becoming more inclusive of liberal ideals.
 
subego Feb 13, 2013 01:50 AM
On the topic of Catholicism, I want to point out there is no rule which says you need to keep the smudge on.

Just a friendly reminder.
 
OreoCookie Feb 13, 2013 03:44 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Shaddim (Post 4216938)
Wholeheartedly agree, here. The RCC is most definitely not becoming more inclusive of liberal ideals.
And just to be clear, »liberal« in the context of the Catholic church should not be confused with the way we use »liberal« in other contexts (especially in the US). It seems to be a liberal position to officially allow Catholics to use condoms and to fully cooperate with the authorities when it comes to cases of child abuse.

I can't speak for other countries, but the official stances of the Catholic Church have moved that much farther away from the opinions of political main stream in Germany that they are really on the fringe of a fringe right now. And they complain very vocally that they feel the pressure and the »hate« from the press (e. g. after they have decided to stop cooperating with researchers in order to deal with the abuse cases).
 
subego Feb 13, 2013 07:28 AM
I have a ****ing pączki hangover.
 
olePigeon Feb 14, 2013 03:30 PM
He's resigning because Catholics aren't allowed to use Viagra. Just no point anymore to asking alter boys to bend over and pick up that pen he "accidentally" dropped.
 
Snow-i Feb 14, 2013 03:46 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by olePigeon (Post 4217282)
He's resigning because Catholics aren't allowed to use Viagra. Just no point anymore to asking alter boys to bend over and pick up that pen he "accidentally" dropped.
Classy.
 
The Final Dakar Feb 14, 2013 03:54 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Snow-i (Post 4217293)
Classy.
I'm not a fan of just lambasting the guy, but if he really is responsible for covering up so much of the clergy's global sexual abuse, he's pretty much the lowest type of scum.
 
Laminar Feb 14, 2013 03:59 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by OldManMac (Post 4216818)
old men, who are hardened in their ways, and who believe that they're right, and the rest of the world, no matter how much they're outmatched is wrong.
Sounds familiar.
 
subego Feb 14, 2013 04:14 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by The Final Dakar (Post 4217298)
I'm not a fan of just lambasting the guy, but if he really is responsible for covering up so much of the clergy's global sexual abuse, he's pretty much the lowest type of scum.
While this is true, the bar's been set high with "shit in the woods", and oP didn't bring his A-game.
 
The Final Dakar Feb 14, 2013 04:17 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by subego (Post 4217310)
While this is true, the bar's been set high with "shit in the woods", and oP didn't bring his A-game.
Don't tell me where the bar is set, I set it there! /dramatic delivery
 
subego Feb 14, 2013 04:21 PM
Yeah. I forgot that part.

Never mind.
 
Shaddim Feb 14, 2013 05:04 PM
I have little to no respect for Ratzinger, and little more for the historic role of the RCC, but there are bishops and perish priests who care and gladly devote their lives to the underprivileged. I donated to one mission because I knew the priest was a caring and honorable man who worked tirelessly day and night to care for the people who came to him in need. He was reassigned because he refused to hand over donations to the central Church for "redistribution", because he needed them here. I went to the wall for him, even met with the sitting bishop and tried to convince him that the RCC was making a grave mistake replacing him, but it didn't help. Now he's shuffling paperwork in Toronto and I no longer give them a dime, because the idiot they installed after him would rather play golf and host "local fitness week" than help the poor and homeless. (He turned the shelter into a gym, I shit you not.) They freaked out, because they lost 1/3 of their yearly donations, because we quit giving. I told them I'd start up again if they bring the other man back, and increase the amount by 25%, but they told me that they "wouldn't be bribed by anyone". Screw them.

There are many good men and women in that organization, but the Church itself is little more than a den of thieves.
 
leekohler2 Feb 15, 2013 01:49 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Snow-i (Post 4217293)
Classy.
You reap what you sow. This pope was about as far from classy as one can get. The man is an absolute jackass.
 
mattyb Feb 15, 2013 02:27 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by OldManMac (Post 4216818)
I'd like to see that, but I'm not holding my breath. The higher ups in the Catholic Church are old men, who are hardened in their ways, and who believe that they're right, and the rest of the world, no matter how much they're outmatched is wrong. Changing views in society have nothing to do with their beliefs.
Just like any other political party then. Cathos, Jews, Muslims, Lizard worshippers ... all the same.
 
subego Feb 15, 2013 03:39 PM
I was really hoping people would call him "Ratzo".
 
turtle777 Feb 17, 2013 02:50 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by subego (Post 4217520)
I was really hoping people would call him "Ratzo".
I always liked Papa Ratzi.

-t
 
subego Feb 22, 2013 03:01 PM
Here's a first century idea finally catching up to the 21st century RCC:

New Pope should allow priests to marry, says Cardinal O'Brien - Telegraph
 
The Final Dakar Feb 22, 2013 03:07 PM
That's a slippery slope to gay priest marriage.
 
subego Feb 22, 2013 03:15 PM
Think of the children.
 
Shaddim Feb 22, 2013 05:06 PM
Married priests will happen, I've known it for decades, however the wheels of the RCC beast turn very slowly.
 
Snow-i Feb 22, 2013 05:44 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by leekohler2 (Post 4217493)
You reap what you sow. This pope was about as far from classy as one can get. The man is an absolute jackass.

It's good to know how tolerable of those with different values you are. I'm not catholic, but there's no reason to be tasteless...especially if that's the fashionable viewpoint to hold these days.
 
OldManMac Feb 22, 2013 09:17 PM
More shit may have hit the fan. If even partially true, it shows the depths of depravity and hypocrisy of the Catholic Church.

La Repubblica reports existence of underground gay network at Vatican.
 
Shaddim Feb 22, 2013 10:02 PM
Hypocrisy? Yes. Depravity? Not so much. They're humans, they have needs. Once they get up to speed with social norms, these issues will largely take care of themselves. According to doctrine, active homosexuality is immoral and a disorder, but that's been their position for almost 1800 years. I'm not seeing how they can change that without unraveling the entire fabric of the Church. Odds are, what will ultimately become of this is an organization-wide purge of gay clergy, with many secret McCarthyesque hearings. This will leave them in quite a fix, possibly losing 20% of their number, which they won't be able to replace. Or can they? This may leave them ripe for change on the issue of female deacons and priests, due to sheer necessity.
 
subego Feb 23, 2013 04:57 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by OldManMac (Post 4218918)
I'm starting to get pissed off with this generation of fake journalists.

S-Y-D-N-E-Y. SYDNEY, Australia.

Sure. You don't bother to check spelling, but I'm sure you check your sources.
 
Waragainstsleep Feb 23, 2013 07:56 AM
Did anyone hear about the arrest warrant issues for Ratzinger?
 
leekohler2 Feb 24, 2013 02:45 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep (Post 4218938)
Did anyone hear about the arrest warrant issues for Ratzinger?
Huh? NO- what's going on?
 
OldManMac Feb 24, 2013 05:49 PM
Pretty good source her, and the state apologizes, but the church? Don't hold your breath.

Irish Women Emerge From Shadows Of 'National Shame' : NPR
 
Waragainstsleep Feb 24, 2013 07:55 PM
 
lpkmckenna Feb 24, 2013 10:34 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by subego (Post 4218883)
Quote, Originally Posted by The Final Dakar (Post 4218885)
That's a slippery slope to gay priest marriage.
The funny part is, Cardinal O'Brien is accused of inappropriate (gay) behaviour.

Conspiracy theory 1: O'Brien is being accused of bad behaviour to minimize his influence at the Papal conclave.

Conspiracy theory 2: Ratzo stepped down early to personally influence the conclave an ensure an appropriately conservative Pope is selected.
 
subego Feb 25, 2013 09:34 AM
 
Waragainstsleep Feb 25, 2013 01:09 PM
Its interesting its being spun that way. Apparently he resigned back in November and it was due to take effect next month after the vote. The Pope has allegedly decided to make it effective today instead.

To me that sounds more like he was fired but there you go.
 
Laminar Feb 25, 2013 09:27 PM
Anyone else remember when SWG claimed that the Catholic church was little more than a cover for gay priest sex orgies?

edit: Found it

Quote
I personally have sat in on an interview with one of the 10 priest who work with the Pope directly at all times. He said that 90% of the priests he worked with are gay.
 
The Final Dakar Feb 26, 2013 09:30 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Snow-i (Post 4218910)
It's good to know how tolerable of those with different values you are.
Are we talking about pedophilia here?
 
subego Feb 26, 2013 12:35 PM
What are Ratzinger's values WRT pedophilia?

Whatever he's done (I'll admit to not keeping score), I'm sure he believes the ends justify the means.

That's only invoked when you realize the, ahem... sin of the means.

Unless Ratzinger a pedophile himself (for which I've seen zero evidence), I am almost 100% positive he has just as much problem with pedophilia as everyone else here.


To be clear, if my analysis is correct, I think his belief the ends justify the means in this context is severely deluded. I'm in no way trying to justify it.
 
The Final Dakar Feb 26, 2013 12:38 PM
How do I put this? Ratzinger = Penn State
 
subego Feb 26, 2013 12:44 PM
"...and the other's a church."


That's just the punch-line. I'm too lazy to do the setup.
 
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