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Doc HM Jun 11, 2014 01:35 PM
So, who's for it now?
I live quite near to an airbase, RAF Fairford to be exact, which is actually a USAF base on loan. It hosts the annual Fairford Air Tatoo, which is nice. Since the USAF pretty much left a while back it's been fairly quite. However on Monday a B2 arrived. We could tell because it's very noisy. And B2 looking. Now some B52's have also arrived and what looks like some F22's but they aren't as distinctive.

Last time this sort of kit arrived it was off bombing Afghanistan. Looks like somethings afoot. It's interesting to see B52's taking off and circling, although they are also noisy and very smokey, less interesting when you know they are about to drop eleventh billion tons of hi-ex on someone.
 
subego Jun 11, 2014 02:23 PM
Saber rattling is my guess.
 
BLAZE_MkIV Jun 11, 2014 02:30 PM
The Ukraine?
 
OAW Jun 11, 2014 02:43 PM
Saber rattling. Assuaging the fears of our European allies. Etc.

OAW
 
subego Jun 11, 2014 03:08 PM
Didn't we cave on an ABM system in Poland?
 
reader50 Jun 11, 2014 03:16 PM
Perhaps you guys are looking too far away. The answer might be in the first sentence.
Quote, Originally Posted by Doc HM (Post 4280103)
I live quite near to an airbase, RAF Fairford to be exact, which is actually a USAF base on loan.
I think they found out about you, Doc. Looking forward to the action scenes, while you take them down.
 
Doc HM Jun 11, 2014 06:39 PM
I find it somewhat amazing that the B-52 is expected to remain in service with the USAF until the 2050's. By my estimate this means it will have been a front line weapons system for nearly a whole century, which is longer than any other weapon I can easily think of.
 
andi*pandi Jun 11, 2014 09:08 PM
When I first read your post with B52s in it, I was surprised they were still in service. I was going to say maybe there is an air show in your neighorhood with the Blue Angels.
 
Jawbone54 Jun 11, 2014 09:15 PM
I live near Barksdale Air Force Base. About 20 B52s fly directly above my office.

Every.
Single.
Day.

They're actually the scourge of terrorist coalitions. They can drop bombs from 30,000 feet with amazing accuracy.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ba...ffd4d2ed13ee1d
 
ghporter Jun 11, 2014 11:05 PM
100 years is longer than any weapon system ever fielded, if one discounts the horse as a weapon system (which may not be accurate). The BUFF can do it; it's currently being flown by crews who are the grandchildren and great grandchildren of original crews.

The inaugural flight was in April, 1952, but it wasn't operational until 1954. Still, it should continue flying through the 2050s simply because each airframe is extremely robust - and more easily rebuilt than just about any other modern-day airframe. Check out The Boneyard to see just how many spare parts are sitting there in the desert, waiting to be needed.

No idea why they're visiting RAF Fairford at the moment. The Air Force no longer consults with me on such things.
 
ebuddy Jun 11, 2014 11:10 PM
We've just sent a pair of B-2 Stealth bombers to Europe for a training mission this week. As someone else has indicated, my guess is saber-rattling. Did you mean to ask who's in for it now?
 
Doc HM Jun 12, 2014 04:04 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by ebuddy (Post 4280195)
Did you mean to ask who's in for it now?
Yes. However my form of words is the more common way to phrase that in the UK.
 
subego Jun 12, 2014 05:30 AM
Today I learned.
 
mattyb Jun 12, 2014 05:36 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by Doc HM (Post 4280203)
However my form of words is the more common way to phrase that in true English.
There you go.
 
BadKosh Jun 12, 2014 06:16 AM
Giving the bad guys a chance to shoot down and take a B2.
 
ebuddy Jun 12, 2014 07:19 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by BadKosh (Post 4280212)
Giving the bad guys a chance to shoot down and take a B2.
:lol:
 
OAW Jun 12, 2014 02:19 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Doc HM (Post 4280203)
Yes. However my form of words is the more common way to phrase that in the UK.
A prime example of how even though we all speak English, we don't all speak the same language! ;)

OAW
 
Shaddim Jun 12, 2014 06:06 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Doc HM (Post 4280203)
Yes. However my form of words is the more common way to phrase that in the UK.
He apparently doesn't watch Top Gear or Dr Who. :D
 
mattyb Jun 13, 2014 01:57 PM
Iraq
 
subego Jun 13, 2014 02:30 PM
It's a quagmire!
 
Doc HM Jun 14, 2014 08:00 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by subego (Post 4280387)
It's a quagmire!
giggedy giggedy

But seriously Iraq seems to have gone to hell in a hand basket (again) almost overnight. These new guys seem pretty organised. Maybe that makes them vulnerable to large amounts of ordinance falling on them from a great hight.
 
Chongo Jun 15, 2014 02:04 PM
No.

Just War Doctrine | Catholic Answers

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JUST WAR DOCTRINE TODAY

The most authoritative and up-to-date expression of just war doctrine is found in paragraph 2309 of the Catechism of the Catholic Church. It says:

The strict conditions for legitimate defense by military force require rigorous consideration. The gravity of such a decision makes it subject to rigorous conditions of moral legitimacy. At one and the same time:

the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;
all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;
there must be serious prospects of success;
the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition.

These are the traditional elements enumerated in what is called the "just war" doctrine. The evaluation of these conditions for moral legitimacy belongs to the prudential judgment of those who have responsibility for the common good.
Catechism of the Catholic Church - PART 3 SECTION 2 CHAPTER 2 ARTICLE 5
 
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