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Personally I believe in the virgin birth but I... 16,018 Views / 685 Replies  
Personally I believe in the virgin birth but I see no reason to link it to conceptions of 'sin' - whatever that means, it is a dubious concept at best.

In my understanding there have been several...
Posted by segovius, on Feb 1, 2006 at 11:48 AM, in Political/War Lounge
Welcome to WingerWorld!!!!! 3,345 Views / 129 Replies  
Welcome to WingerWorld!!!!!
Posted by segovius, on Jan 31, 2006 at 10:09 AM, in Political/War Lounge
No Muslim who ever lived would see this or any... 16,018 Views / 685 Replies  
No Muslim who ever lived would see this or any other slur on the Prophet as blasphemy.

What are you talking about?
Posted by segovius, on Jan 31, 2006 at 07:54 AM, in Political/War Lounge
Or France - we know it's ok to boycott them.... 16,018 Views / 685 Replies  
Or France - we know it's ok to boycott them. Let's just boycott them instead.

And then, just for fun and because we have 'free speech', we could dig up all those cartoons of the Jews from Nazi...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 31, 2006 at 05:45 AM, in Political/War Lounge
And have you stopped beating your wife yet? 4,718 Views / 208 Replies  
And have you stopped beating your wife yet?
Posted by segovius, on Jan 31, 2006 at 05:02 AM, in Political/War Lounge
Good - so we're back at square one. Now what... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
Good - so we're back at square one.

Now what about those wingnut Xian fundies eh? ;)
Posted by segovius, on Jan 30, 2006 at 09:36 AM, in Political/War Lounge
Agreed, so what's the problem then? I just... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
Agreed, so what's the problem then?

I just happened to be talking about the Xian non-thinkers though we can talk about the Muslim ones too if you like.
Posted by segovius, on Jan 30, 2006 at 09:20 AM, in Political/War Lounge
In some ways, for sure. In this case I now... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
In some ways, for sure.

In this case I now far too many of these Xian fundies and have heard them spout some stuff in private that they would never do on their TV shows or from their pulpits.
Posted by segovius, on Jan 30, 2006 at 09:10 AM, in Political/War Lounge
Can't speak for others but in my case it is an... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
Can't speak for others but in my case it is an detailed observation derived from close proximity, intense observation and rigorous testing of the hypothesis.
Posted by segovius, on Jan 30, 2006 at 08:43 AM, in Political/War Lounge
Well, I don;t want to bash the Church as should... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
Well, I don;t want to bash the Church as should be clear from my earlier comments on them. The examples are there if you wish to find them - it is not so important a point, as you say, everyone was...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 30, 2006 at 04:52 AM, in Political/War Lounge
Just to pick up on some general points to try to... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
Just to pick up on some general points to try to re-invigorate the discussion (and while Taliesin regroups hehe:D ):



The Catholic Church was also instrumental in supporting Hitler and turning...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 29, 2006 at 12:38 PM, in Political/War Lounge
I think this is blown out of proportion and is... 750 Views / 9 Replies  
I think this is blown out of proportion and is pure hyperbole, Mahathir is just being silly when he says no-one would be safe - clearly women would.
Posted by segovius, on Jan 28, 2006 at 12:21 PM, in Political/War Lounge
Islamophobia? Wingnut Lunacy? ... 750 Views / 9 Replies  
Islamophobia?

Wingnut Lunacy?

Unbelievably Lame Posts?
Posted by segovius, on Jan 27, 2006 at 11:26 AM, in Political/War Lounge
Good questions. And it is not strictly true... 4,718 Views / 208 Replies  
Good questions.

And it is not strictly true that Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Hamas's founder Sheikh Yassin spent some time in Cairo but Qutb's aims and views are quite...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 27, 2006 at 11:24 AM, in Political/War Lounge
I think he is quite intelligent as it happens. ... 3,345 Views / 129 Replies  
I think he is quite intelligent as it happens.

To call him a pathological liar is a bit strong - he merely lies for an end (in this case spreading the 'Xian' agenda throughout the ME and the...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 27, 2006 at 11:10 AM, in Political/War Lounge
By you....no. 3,345 Views / 129 Replies  
By you....no.
Posted by segovius, on Jan 26, 2006 at 06:10 PM, in Political/War Lounge
Can't speak for VW but imo, terrorist groups are... 4,718 Views / 208 Replies  
Can't speak for VW but imo, terrorist groups are often in power. It's not a question of 'should' - it's just how it is.

Israel itself would be a classic example of how a terrorist group can...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 26, 2006 at 04:23 PM, in Political/War Lounge
They aren't mistakes. They never believed them -... 3,345 Views / 129 Replies  
They aren't mistakes. They never believed them - they are merely the justifications for planned murder.
Posted by segovius, on Jan 26, 2006 at 04:14 PM, in Political/War Lounge
In a moral sense there is a problem though: Hamas... 4,718 Views / 208 Replies  
In a moral sense there is a problem though: Hamas was an Israeli creation that spiralled out of control.

It raises certain issues:

1) The moral nature of a state that actually could create such...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 26, 2006 at 04:11 PM, in Political/War Lounge
Lol :lol: Georges Sada is an evangelical... 3,345 Views / 129 Replies  
Lol :lol:

Georges Sada is an evangelical right-wing Bush-supporting Christian fundie. Really!

He hangs out with Benny Hinn a lot and talks with Robertson and other nutters. Curiously he is...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 26, 2006 at 03:22 PM, in Political/War Lounge
:confused: 2,542 Views / 125 Replies  
:confused:
Posted by segovius, on Jan 26, 2006 at 12:43 PM, in Political/War Lounge
Ok, let's look at it another way - this isn't... 816 Views / 20 Replies  
Ok, let's look at it another way - this isn't working.

Exhibit AMr Osama Bin Laden:[/b] a multi-millionaire. If he so wished he could live the life everyone here would be the ones to envy. And yes...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 26, 2006 at 11:44 AM, in Political/War Lounge
Not necessarily. There are many un-stupid... 2,542 Views / 125 Replies  
Not necessarily.

There are many un-stupid people who question evolution on rational grounds. I like to think I am one of them but even if not I now many who are above average intelligence who...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 26, 2006 at 11:37 AM, in Political/War Lounge
Hehe - I'm trying a new policy: tailoring the... 816 Views / 20 Replies  
Hehe - I'm trying a new policy: tailoring the quality of the answers to the quality of the question :D
Posted by segovius, on Jan 26, 2006 at 09:14 AM, in Political/War Lounge
You really should. 816 Views / 20 Replies  
You really should.
Posted by segovius, on Jan 26, 2006 at 08:58 AM, in Political/War Lounge
Yes, I'm afraid it did - I have this irrational... 816 Views / 20 Replies  
Yes, I'm afraid it did - I have this irrational fear of non-thinking and reductionist bias.
Posted by segovius, on Jan 26, 2006 at 05:46 AM, in Political/War Lounge
Maybe you should get that detector checked out,... 816 Views / 20 Replies  
Maybe you should get that detector checked out, might be time for an overhaul.

Let's put it another way:

Mr Rich has got lots of money. He wins it playing a game called 'Capitalism'. Anyone can...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 26, 2006 at 04:33 AM, in Political/War Lounge
If envy is the driving force (just had a deja vu... 816 Views / 20 Replies  
If envy is the driving force (just had a deja vu - weird) then this means that the enviers actually want want the US has.

As you stipulate that all America-bashing is driven by this (and the...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 26, 2006 at 04:06 AM, in Political/War Lounge
Well, I try to avoid repeating myself. :D Re... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
Well, I try to avoid repeating myself. :D

Re this issue - I don't know enough about Hebrew or the subject to voice to much of an opinion and obviously you know far more.

What I was...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 25, 2006 at 03:32 PM, in Political/War Lounge
I did take it on board. If I had disagreed I... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
I did take it on board. If I had disagreed I would have disputed it and put you right.

I suspect you don't read my posts - when they are about Islam anyway - but in one of our previous exchanges I...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 25, 2006 at 02:29 PM, in Political/War Lounge
Actually the definition of a cult in the... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
Actually the definition of a cult in the sociological sense is this:

A group detached almost completely from surrounding practices whose members are committed to authoritarian figures alive or...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 25, 2006 at 02:22 PM, in Political/War Lounge
You see this is why I was insisting on the... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
You see this is why I was insisting on the acknowledgement of facts.

Both of them could draw differing conclusions from an agreed fact and it would avoid all this sort of thing.

Guess that's a...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 25, 2006 at 02:10 PM, in Political/War Lounge
sigh 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
sigh
Posted by segovius, on Jan 24, 2006 at 03:23 PM, in Political/War Lounge
Another one bites the dust....ggrrrrr 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
Another one bites the dust....ggrrrrr
Posted by segovius, on Jan 24, 2006 at 03:21 PM, in Political/War Lounge
And again.... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
And again....
Posted by segovius, on Jan 24, 2006 at 03:19 PM, in Political/War Lounge
Ok, edit quadruple post - it wasn't funny the... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
Ok, edit quadruple post - it wasn't funny the first time
Posted by segovius, on Jan 24, 2006 at 03:18 PM, in Political/War Lounge
One could say that....but you said this: ... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
One could say that....but you said this:



Not so important but it seems like a contradiction and you know how I get. ;)

I hope your posts haven't succumbed to all this 'alteration'...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 24, 2006 at 03:16 PM, in Political/War Lounge
If that is indeed the case, then would you agree... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
If that is indeed the case, then would you agree that there is no basis for opposing such 'warring' and no blame or condemnation to be laid at either side's door no matter what actions they take as...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 24, 2006 at 12:35 PM, in Political/War Lounge
Meant to answer this too: Sure, as an... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
Meant to answer this too:



Sure, as an academic argument, no probs. There is no proof and no precedent so it cannot really be based on rigorous principles but still.....

In a religious sense...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 24, 2006 at 10:50 AM, in Political/War Lounge
ebuddy: thanks for the reply and the serious... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
ebuddy: thanks for the reply and the serious thought pit into it. This is exactly the sort of thing that I think is the point of all this: discussion and debate.

I don't want to 'win' or prove a...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 24, 2006 at 10:46 AM, in Political/War Lounge
Yes, the Bush administration think that too. ... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
Yes, the Bush administration think that too.

It isn't going too well.
Posted by segovius, on Jan 24, 2006 at 08:25 AM, in Political/War Lounge
Moses did not say "I am". I have a feeling... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
Moses did not say "I am".

I have a feeling you are really overcooking all this and re-inventing the wheel - as Muslim you have access to a tradition of critical thinking and rigorous...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 24, 2006 at 08:16 AM, in Political/War Lounge
It cannot be pointless - if you feel you have a... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
It cannot be pointless - if you feel you have a duty to point out there is no contradiction then you must prove this.

If there is none and you can show that I'm sure most reasonable people would...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 24, 2006 at 07:34 AM, in Political/War Lounge
Yes, I have often thought along these lines. I... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
Yes, I have often thought along these lines. I don't personally believe in the Trinity in the sense you mean it but I'm pretty sure there is a universal spiritual 'law of three' (for want of a better...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 24, 2006 at 06:33 AM, in Political/War Lounge
Yes, it is curious and I often wonder why Tali is... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
Yes, it is curious and I often wonder why Tali is at such pains to reconcile the two. Clearly they are in places contradictory.

Personally I do not see this as a problem, nor do I see it as...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 24, 2006 at 06:19 AM, in Political/War Lounge
You are misunderstanding me - my agenda is not... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
You are misunderstanding me - my agenda is not against the Bible. It is against non-acceptance of facts.

Facts must be faced wherever they lead. They will never contradict God as He created all...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 24, 2006 at 05:59 AM, in Political/War Lounge
Clearly there have been no changes for 1400 years... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
Clearly there have been no changes for 1400 years - I never said there were, I was referring in that quote to the Bible alterations.

I know as much as you on this issue - that Umar felt the need...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 24, 2006 at 05:55 AM, in Political/War Lounge
I think we are at cross-purposes, I should... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
I think we are at cross-purposes, I should explain my position a bit more.

I do not want to change your faith at all - I have a different (Islamic) perspective but that perspective encompasses the...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 24, 2006 at 05:43 AM, in Political/War Lounge
That's all I'm saying. Once you admit that... 7,240 Views / 351 Replies  
That's all I'm saying.

Once you admit that then you have several 'Christianities' as opposed to one monolithic 'truth' (although one of those disparate entitities - the Church - still will lay...
Posted by segovius, on Jan 24, 2006 at 04:06 AM, in Political/War Lounge
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Posted by segovius, on Jan 23, 2006 at 07:09 PM, in Political/War Lounge
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