[marden]

Secret Service Agents Question 14 Year Old About Myspace Page

October 14, 2006 9:45 a.m. EST

Nicole King - All Headline News Staff Writer
Sacramento, CA (AHN) - An eighth grader was pulled out of her high school biology class and questioned by Secret Service agents Wednesday. Now her parents are saying the agents went too far.

Julia Wilson, 14, was pulled out of class after federal agents placed her on a checklist. Upset about the Iraq war, Wilson had posted a picture of President Bush on her Myspace page and wrote the words "Kill Bush" across the top with a dagger stabbing his hand.

Wilson replaced the page when she learned threats to the President are federal offenses. But agents had already seen the page. She was questioned for 15 minutes by the agents. Her parents say they should have been there. Wilson said the agents' questions led her to tears.
Her mother said an agent showed up at the family's home and spoke to her, but promised to return once her daughter was home. The school's assistant principal said he was given the impression her mother knew she would be questioned at school.

Legally, parents don't have to be present. Julia Wilson said the officers told her she could be sent to juvenile hall for making the threat. She says now, she's going to organize a student protest against the Iraq war.

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7005177251

She should have gotten spanked by her parents, too!

[analogika]

/cue right-wing rant on the dangers of stifling free speech, and how this is one step towards fascism.

C'mon. You know you can do it.

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally Posted by marden

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7005177251

She should have gotten spanked by her parents, too!

I love parents that side with their children... even when their children have done something very wrong.

The secret service had every right to go into the school and question the girl. If she had been placed under arrest, her parents would have been notified.

What she did was a federal offense. Even the most low end federal offenses (breaking mailboxes, mail fraud) are serious business.

Technically, they could have arrested her and charged her (an won).

If the parents sue, I think the government should charge the girl.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by analogika

/cue right-wing rant on the dangers of stifling free speech, and how this is one step towards fascism.

C'mon. You know you can do it.

Damn these jack-booted thugs in the Federal government! Don't they know about the First Amendment and our rights? Pulling a girl out of class over a MySpace page. . . . Think of her embarrassment in front of her class-mates.


<lame attempt but fun to write nonetheless>

[marden]

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

Damn these jack-booted thugs in the Federal government! Don't they know about the First Amendment and our rights? Pulling a girl out of class over a MySpace page. . . . Think of her embarrassment in front of her class-mates.


<lame attempt but fun to write nonetheless>

You just scored a point with me for recognizing this and admitting it.

[dcmacdaddy]

Originally Posted by marden

You just scored a point with me for recognizing this and admitting it.

ooh . . . a whole point. I am flattered. So, where does this leave me in your estimation, abermojarden? I must be somewhere around -2700 points now. You gotta keep up with the compliments if I am ever going to get out of negative territory and regain any sense of positive self-worth.

[Chuckit]

That's our tax dollars at "work," folks.

[itai195]

So the president is afraid of a 14 year old girl?

[Dr Reducto]

Actually, having talked with a Secret Service agent at length about this, high schoolers are apparently the group of people the Secret Service most "talks to".

Although he said it's mainly high schoolers counterfeiting money, but there are a lot of dumb high school kids threatening the president as well (most of the time he said it's the teachers reporting when a student says it in class).

[goMac]

Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh

What she did was a federal offense.

No, it's not.

[marden]

Originally Posted by goMac

No, it's not.

No? Why don't you try it and then we'll find out for sure!

[subego]

Originally Posted by goMac

No, it's not.

Are you sure? I've always heard it was.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by goMac

No, it's not.

Ahem...

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...1----000-.html

[Zeeb]

The FBI was completely within their purview to detain and question the 14 year old girl. I understand that masses of 14 year old girls are aligning themselves with the global jihad. If left to her own devices I am certain by next year she would have beheaded her principal and installed an Islamist student government in her school.

God Bless the President!

[Dakar²]

Well, unless the Secret Service does this to check whether the parents are influencing the 14 year old to feel this way, it does seem a bit of overkill.

Also, are cops allowed to question children without notifying the parents? Does the same go for the Secret Service?

[Spliffdaddy]

Seems that an infamous member of MacNN was interviewed by the feds for threatening Bill Clinton. Something about "sniper bait".

It's their job to investigate all threats.

[hyteckit]

14 year old girls with daggers are dangerous. She can go karate on the secret service agents and then stab the president in the head. It's definitely a real threat man.

[Railroader]

Originally Posted by hyteckit

14 year old girls with daggers are dangerous. She can go karate on the secret service agents and then stab the president in the head. It's definitely a real threat man.

Are you saying when a federal law is broken that we should ignore the act?

[hyteckit]

My cat hates Bush and he plans to claw the president to death.

FBI should investigate any potential or real threat.
What the FBI did is not investigate, but intimidate.

[hyteckit]

I guess under the new law that congress pass, she can be toss in jail and keep there forever without a trial. She a terrorist I tell ya. Make her confess her plan to kill the president. If she doesn't confess and tell the FBI about her plan, torture her until she does.

[Atheist]

Come on people... let's get a little perspective. I have no problem with the feds checkin up on the MySpace page. But she's just a 14-yr old kid!!!! The minute she found out what she was doing was wrong, she changed the page. Once they went to the parents house, I think they could have determined that it was just a kid being stupid. There was no need to take it any further. It was pointless intimidation. I guess that's how the feds feed their egos these days.... scaring children...

[TheWOAT]

14 or 24, or 54, she did a stupid thing. She should take it like an adult and realize that the Govt HAS to investigate all threats. She should quit whining and find legal ways to protest our favorite President.

[marden]

Originally Posted by TheWOAT

14 or 24, or 54, she did a stupid thing. She should take it like an adult and realize that the Govt HAS to investigate all threats. She should quit whining and find legal ways to protest our favorite President.

Excellent.

[Dakar²]

Originally Posted by TheWOAT

...our favorite President.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Atheist

Come on people... let's get a little perspective. I have no problem with the feds checkin up on the MySpace page. But she's just a 14-yr old kid!!!! The minute she found out what she was doing was wrong, she changed the page. Once they went to the parents house, I think they could have determined that it was just a kid being stupid. There was no need to take it any further. It was pointless intimidation. I guess that's how the feds feed their egos these days.... scaring children...

These stupid little Bush bashers think it's a game. Many of you encourage and inspire such actions and activity. Where do you think she got the idea? If you want your tax dollars wasted on sending the Secret Service out to check out these threats just keep on protesting and keep on inspiring these mindless little ones who only do what they are told or what they see as being cool.

THEY have an excuse. You all should be smarter. Too bad that's not the case.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by TheWOAT

14 or 24, or 54, she did a stupid thing. She should take it like an adult and realize that the Govt HAS to investigate all threats. She should quit whining and find legal ways to protest our favorite President.

So you're saying the President is afraid of a 14-year-old girl.

That should be grounds for impeachment right there.

[hyteckit]

If the FBI spend 1 hr doing any investigation, they would have known the girl is no threat. A 14 year old girl who threatens to kill the President with a dagger? Come on now. She lives in California. What is she going do? Buy a plane ticket to Washington DC. Go buy a dagger. Find out where the President is. Get pass secret service. Ask the President to lower his head so she could stab him in the head?

That's not a real or even potential threat. It's no investigation, it's intimidation.

[Dr Reducto]

Originally Posted by Zeeb

The FBI was completely within their purview to detain and question the 14 year old girl. I understand that masses of 14 year old girls are aligning themselves with the global jihad. If left to her own devices I am certain by next year she would have beheaded her principal and installed an Islamist student government in her school.

God Bless the President!

The Secret Service needs to take every threat seriously. It seems like a good idea to ignore threats that seem ridiculous until the threats manifest themselves.

[TheWOAT]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

So you're saying the President is afraid of a 14-year-old girl.

That should be grounds for impeachment right there.

No, I am saying you're ugly and your momma dresses you funny...

Do you REALLY think the Secret Service needs the 'ok' from the President on all investigations from counterfeit money to pimple faced kids in Che Guevara shirts making threats?

This just in: President George W. Bush canceled a Defense staff meeting and his vacation so he can interview secretary and janitor positions open within the Secret Service Dept... Cuz ya know, he is all up in their business.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

So you're saying the President is afraid of a 14-year-old girl.

That should be grounds for impeachment right there.

Yes. Terrified. She's the target of the war on terror because he's terrified of a 14 y/o girl.

God bless America. People can function here with so little common sense or basic knowledge of life or government.

[marden]

Originally Posted by hyteckit

If the FBI spend 1 hr doing any investigation, they would have known the girl is no threat. A 14 year old girl who threatens to kill the President with a dagger? Come on now. She lives in California. What is she going do? Buy a plane ticket to Washington DC. Go buy a dagger. Find out where the President is. Get pass secret service. Ask the President to lower his head so she could stab him in the head?

That's not a real or even potential threat. It's no investigation, it's intimidation.

Well, if that's the way you feel, they should of throwed her ass in jail.

[Atheist]

Originally Posted by TheWOAT

14 or 24, or 54, she did a stupid thing. She should take it like an adult and realize that the Govt HAS to investigate all threats. She should quit whining and find legal ways to protest our favorite President.

Ugh. Get some perspective. No one is arguing that they shouldn't investigate. After 10 minutes with the parents, I'm sure it was obvious the 14 yr old school girl was not a threat to the president. There was absolutely no reason to take it any further.

And no... she shouldn't take it as an adult....cuz she isn't an adult. She used the judgement of a 14 year old. And she screwed up... and once she found out she screwed up... she corrected it.

What happened to reason? Why does everything have to be black and white?

[TheWOAT]

Reason? Well, its reasonable to empathize with the Feds having to investigate all of these bullsh- threats, so to make sure they do not have to return to this girl's home again, they gave her the serious version of federal law. I bet she won't be doing it again. Job well done.
As long as they were within their legal right for all of their actions, I have no problem with this. She didnt go to jail, or Juvi, she was just given a stern talking to.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Atheist

Ugh. Get some perspective. No one is arguing that they shouldn't investigate. After 10 minutes with the parents, I'm sure it was obvious the 14 yr old school girl was not a threat to the president. There was absolutely no reason to take it any further.

And no... she shouldn't take it as an adult....cuz she isn't an adult. She used the judgement of a 14 year old. And she screwed up... and once she found out she screwed up... she corrected it.

What happened to reason? Why does everything have to be black and white?

What if she knew something that had escaped all other detection and this girl could give them info that led them to something important?

THAT's a reason.

Like what?

Her friend who was always telling her that her big brother would love to meet her because of how she felt about the prez.

And then they check on the big brother and he is involved with a student group against the war and one of the students in the group...

Need I say more?

[marden]

Originally Posted by Atheist

Ugh. Get some perspective. No one is arguing that they shouldn't investigate. After 10 minutes with the parents, I'm sure it was obvious the 14 yr old school girl was not a threat to the president. There was absolutely no reason to take it any further.

And no... she shouldn't take it as an adult....cuz she isn't an adult. She used the judgement of a 14 year old. And she screwed up... and once she found out she screwed up... she corrected it.

What happened to reason? Why does everything have to be black and white?

You haven't an investigative mindset or experience to know why that investigation was important or what it means, so please stop spreading your lack of knowledge as though you know about such things, ok?

[ghporter]

If I'd seen that page while on active duty, I would have been REQUIRED to report it. "Any and all threats against the president" whether I think they're credible or not, are reportable. Who knows just from looking at a MySpace page who the person who posted it is and what's behind what they post?

And the PARENTS didn't post the stuff on MySpace, the kid did, so why should the parents be there? In 15 minutes the Secret Service determined that this was a stupid kid who did a stupid thing and that was it. They didn't arrest her, they didn't charge her, they didn't apprehend her. They just questioned her-and not in any criminal investigation-type manner either.

With all that said, I wish the world was kind and gentle enough that anyone could afford to say "that's just a kid's idiot rant-forget it." and do so safely. Too bad it's not that way.

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

So you're saying the President is afraid of a 14-year-old girl.

That should be grounds for impeachment right there.

Nice spin...

Ummm, no, the secret service is enforcing our laws.

If some 14 year old smashed your mailbox or stole your mail, I bet you would be fuming if the secret service said "oh, it's just a 14 year old girl. Is she a threat to the postal service?"

The message I see is that the secret service takes any and all threats to the presidents life VERY SERIOUSLY. Regardless of age... you don't threaten the president in the US... period. Regardless of weather you like him or hate him.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by ghporter

With all that said, I wish the world was kind and gentle enough that anyone could afford to say "that's just a kid's idiot rant-forget it." and do so safely. Too bad it's not that way.

Apparently it is that way. In case you missed the end of the story, she didn't pose any threat. It's just like when pimply geeks on the Internet tell you to DIAF, that's not really grounds to call the police.

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally Posted by goMac

No, it's not.

As pointed out earlier... yes it is.

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Apparently it is that way. In case you missed the end of the story, she didn't pose any threat. It's just like when pimply geeks on the Internet tell you to DIAF, that's not really grounds to call the police.

I'm sure if she did have some knowledge about some pending attack... and they wouldn't have followed up... many of you bashing the secret service would be bashing them for not being diligent enough.

"For crying out loud... she had a myspace page!!!"

[Chuckit]

I'm sure some people will bash Bush for consorting with aliens. I'd criticize those people for being unreasonable just like I'm criticizing the Secret Service for being unreasonable now.

Seriously, if they were so unsure she posed any threat that their concerns could be allayed in 15 minutes, they were really just harassing a girl for no reason. I wouldn't blame Glenn for reporting it if he had to, and I wouldn't even blame them for looking into it, but pulling a kid out of class? Give me a break.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Apparently it is that way. In case you missed the end of the story, she didn't pose any threat. It's just like when pimply geeks on the Internet tell you to DIAF, that's not really grounds to call the police.

YOU DON'T KNOW.

That is why they call it INVESTIGATION.

Definition of investigate (verb)
to study or examine all information about an event, situation or charge; to search for the truth

To examine ALL INFORMATION about an event, situation or charge; to search for the TRUTH

It's clear to me now why some of you post as you do. You are content with superficial truths.

Superficial truths can get you fired in some businesses. In the world of law enforcement superficial truths mean the wrong person goes to prison or death row, superficial truths mean someone walks free who shouldn't. Superficial truths mean more people are victimized when their predator should have been caught. Superficial truths could get the President killed and make you a footnote to history and your grandchildren ashamed to mention your name in public.

The Secret Service have to investigate each one to make sure there is nothing to worry about. And if there IS something to worry about they will continue to investigate until the threat is eliminated.

[Chuckit]

And they just can't investigate without pulling a 14-year-old girl out of class because she posted a not-particularly-threatening picture on MySpace? I would like to have more faith in the abilities of the Secret Service than that.

[marden]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

And they just can't investigate without pulling a 14-year-old girl out of class because she posted a not-particularly-threatening picture on MySpace? I would like to have more faith in the abilities of the Secret Service than that.

How many times have kids provided clues which led to arrests? Do you know, Chuckit?

[besson3c]

I bet that kid was a terrorist. We should ban little kids from being terrorists... Marden, tell us how dangerous kids are to the world.


EDIT: he already is...

[marden]

Originally Posted by besson3c

I bet that kid was a terrorist. We should ban little kids from being terrorists... Marden, tell us how dangerous kids are to the world.


EDIT: he already is...

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[besson3c]

Damn it Marden.... now I will have nightmares tonight. Why did you have to do that?

[marden]

Originally Posted by besson3c

Damn it Marden.... now I will have nightmares tonight. Why did you have to do that?

Why don't you just take my word for things, then?

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by marden

How many times have kids provided clues which led to arrests? Do you know, Chuckit?

Gee, how many kids have assaulted the president? Let me think for a while…

Oh, yeah: Zero.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by marden

Why don't you just take my word for things, then?

Maybe you're right, Dwight Shroot. I will amend my ways.