[Buckaroo]

This is really horrible news.



A French conservative. This will suck big time.

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Either I hope he does not win or he is just as US unfreindly as the last joker.


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Reason:

I don't want to have a reason to hate the French LESS than I do now.

I hope he looses.

Damn this will suck.



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[kobi]

Are you living in France?

If your not living in France, then who cares???

[Buckaroo]

Originally Posted by kobi 

Are you living in France?

If your not living in France, then who cares???

Isn't the little smiley guy a sarcasm smiley?

Oh, and I believe I misspelled loses.

[kobi]

sorry didn't pay attention to the smiley

[Atomic Rooster]

And we should care 'cause.....?????

Isn't the US fekked up enough for you to worry 'bout you gotta worry 'bout other countries....Oh yeah Iraq you care so much for doze guys.

[Buckaroo]

Originally Posted by Atomic Rooster 

And we should care 'cause.....?????

Isn't the US fekked up enough for you to worry 'bout you gotta worry 'bout other countries....Oh yeah Iraq you care so much for doze guys.

Attention the little sarcasm smiley.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by Atomic Rooster 

And we should care 'cause.....?????

Well certainly no one has to care about it, but that's the funny thing about the political war lounge. People's interest is perked by a thread title so they pop in to rail on the OP for posting something that perked their interest.

People from Canada, Germany, France, etc... comment on US policy and political affairs and people in the US comment on the political affairs of other countries as well as their own.

Isn't the US fekked up enough for you to worry 'bout you gotta worry 'bout other countries....Oh yeah Iraq you care so much for doze guys.

Do you? I mean, I found it interesting that you would say; "you" as if you're not an American. If you're not American, why are you so concerned about Bush in the Bush countdown thread?

[analogika]

Bush has a tendency to bomb countries, making him a somewhat more global concern than the French presidency.

I, for one, am always interested in reading what other nationals have to say about our European governments. At best, it's informative, and at worst, it has entertainment value.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by analogika 

Bush has a tendency to bomb countries, making him a somewhat more global concern than the French presidency.

You would've thought there would be interest in seeing Clinton go also then? For whatever reason, I don't remember a counter. I mean, I don't understand the; "Bush has a tendency to bomb countries" mentality. Who doesn't? So does Germany, France, and anyone else that supported action in Yugoslavia and past actions in Iraq. France also has a tendency of facilitating lucrative trade deals with nations of which an International Body they are a member of decides to sanction and divert the profits of the UN's oil-for-food program into their own private coffers.

I, for one, am always interested in reading what other nationals have to say about our European governments. At best, it's informative, and at worst, it has entertainment value.

I agree. I thought that was one of the primary benefits of a forum like this one. I don't understand people who believe you shouldn't be interested in foreign affairs.

[Aron Peterson]

I'm crossing my fingers hoping to finally see the death of this lazy unproductive socialism led by no-men.

[Aron Peterson]

Originally Posted by analogika 

Bush has a tendency to bomb countries

Only because people in the middle east and German intelligence provided him with the "evidence" to do so.

[PER3]

Originally Posted by kobi 

Are you living in France?

If your not living in France, then who cares???

You are also being ironic, yes?

Or are you really not interested?

Where on earth do you come from?

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Aron Peterson 

Only because people in the middle east and German intelligence provided him with the "evidence" to do so.

"German intelligence" provided "evidence"?

I'm interested.

I thought it'd been established that he went in DESPITE all the "evidence" that went AGAINST it.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

You would've thought there would be interest in seeing Clinton go also then? For whatever reason, I don't remember a counter. I mean, I don't understand the; "Bush has a tendency to bomb countries" mentality. Who doesn't?

FWIW, Clinton was bombing Iraq as well, as was Bush. Reagan had a whole bunch of criminal **** going on that killed a whole lot of people.

Don't use your usual stupid "But-Clinton" fingerpointing to turn this into one of your stupid internal partisan issues, because it's not. The American presidency tends to have a global impact.

You asked about Bush, so I replied about Bush.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Aron Peterson 

I'm crossing my fingers hoping to finally see the death of French socialism, the scourge of Europe, the ass kisser of dictators and Islamists, and the century old origin of all hate towards the USA even after Americans died liberating France.

This is really funny, in a stupid and bitter way.

Originally Posted by Aron Peterson 

All the sensible leftists have moved to the center.

This is true.

However, the actual "center" is quite far to the left of what you consider "liberal". The U.S. Democrats are actually conservative to right-wing if you look at the entire political spectrum.

[Aron Peterson]

[QUOTE]

Originally Posted by analogika 

This is really funny, in a stupid and bitter way.

And that's your opinion

However, the actual "center" is quite far to the left of what you consider "liberal". The U.S. Democrats are actually conservative to right-wing if you look at the entire political spectrum.

Who defines the spectrum apart from Sinclair?

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Aron Peterson 

Who defines the spectrum apart from Sinclair?

The extremes define the spectrum.

[Aron Peterson]

Originally Posted by analogika 

"German intelligence" provided "evidence"? I'm interested. I thought it'd been established that he went in DESPITE all the "evidence" that went AGAINST it.

That's what happens when we believe pissants who think we've got the memory of goldish bowls and can't remember what happened a few years ago, and all because they're not interested in facts but slinging mud in the wrong direction.

Ahmed Chalabi, the Iraqi National Congress (INC), "curveball", and German Intelligence were the ones who came up with the WMD story and evidence for it. The CIA had doubts. The Bush Administration bought it (happily).

[Aron Peterson]

Originally Posted by analogika 

The extremes define the spectrum.

Is the spectrum a straight line, a grid, a pendulum like scale, or a circle - if we were to plot it out on paper?

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Aron Peterson 

That's what happens when we believe pissants who think we've got the memory of goldish bowls and can't remember what happened a few years ago, and all because they're not interested in facts but slinging mud in the wrong direction.

Ahmed Chalabi, the Iraqi National Congress (INC), "curveball", and German Intelligence were the ones who came up with the WMD story and evidence for it. The CIA had doubts. The Bush Administration bought it (happily).

You mean the German intelligence passed along from the informant known as "Curveball", the alleged chemical program insider, ALONG WITH the German intelligence assessment that he was a fabricator?

http://www.spinwatch.org/content/view/3023/9/

Yeah, Germany passed on info along the lines of "We think this guy's a liar, but you might want to see this", and presto, Powell stands there and sells it as incontrovertible truth?

Try again, you sucker.

[Aron Peterson]

Originally Posted by analogika 

You mean the German intelligence passed along from the informant known as "Curveball", the alleged chemical program insider, ALONG WITH the German intelligence assessment that he was a fabricator?

Did I say otherwise? German Intel said he could be an alcoholic. Later investigations showed he was a serial liar. Nevertheless, he was one of the several non-American origins of the WMD claims.

Yeah, Germany passed on info along the lines of "We think this guy's a liar, but you might want to see this", and presto, Powell stands there and sells it as incontrovertible truth?

Maybe you've didn't read how I ended the last post with (happily) in brackets. There's also a difference between 'might be a liar' and 'is a liar'. This wasn't discovered until after an investigation, after the invasion of Iraq.

Try again, you sucker.

Thanks for the parting insult. Was it convenient to skip on Chalabi and the INC, who by the way have links to Iran?

If you can't see how the west was set up to be seen as aggressors I'm not going to try hard to convince you. The majority of the profiting has been done by OPEC.

Then again, maybe you would have liked to have seen Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia fighting over Iraq instead once Saddam's regime had reached its inevitable end. Then the Iraqis and Kurds would be calling who for help?

[BRussell]

Originally Posted by Buckaroo 

A French conservative. This will suck big time.

Either I hope he does not win or he is just as US unfreindly as the last joker.

Are you aware that this French conservative is from the same conservative party as the current president, Chirac?

[Aron Peterson]

There was I debating with a crumbling wall.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by Aron Peterson 

Scratch. I just recalled Analogika is MacNN's residential Islamist. There was I debating with a crumbling wall.

Pro hint:
Insults only work if you have at least a feeble clue about both a) the person you're insulting, and b) the subject matter you're thinking of drawing the insult from.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by BRussell 

Are you aware that this French conservative is from the same conservative party as the current president, Chirac?

I was going to draw the end out a little longer, but I guess you've just sunk his battleship with a direct hit to the brain.

[olePigeon]

Originally Posted by kobi 

Are you living in France?

If your not living in France, then who cares???

Same reason Iraqis would care if (when) Bush was elected. Global politics.

[Big Mac]

I hope he kicks the socialist's ass. I don't see how anyone in his or her right mind can advocate a failed totalitarian model of politics and economics anymore.

[analogika]

If he wins, all hell will break loose.

[Aron Peterson]

Whoever reacts violently first will be showing their contempt for democracy and their true face. They can leave France in that case.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by analogika 

FWIW, Clinton was bombing Iraq as well, as was Bush. Reagan had a whole bunch of criminal **** going on that killed a whole lot of people.

Exactly. Two heads of the same snake as I've said repeatedly in this forum. Who doesn't have criminal **** going on that killed a whole lot of people?

Don't use your usual stupid "But-Clinton" fingerpointing to turn this into one of your stupid internal partisan issues, because it's not. The American presidency tends to have a global impact.

The whole point of my response was to ask the (I'm guessing Canadian) poster why he railed on this OPs concern for French affairs while concerning himself with American affairs in the 'Bush Countdown' thread. There are plenty of influential people on the world stage. To deny France had anything to do with Iraq or that the French presidency should be of no concern to Americans while saying "Because Bush likes to bomb other countries" is nothing but patently moronic, partisan, bumper sticker talking points. BTW, we do appreciate the French contribution to our efforts there and we're particularly thankful for the immense amount of Canadian aid before, during, and after the Shock and Awe bombing campaign that killed a whole lot of people.

I cited a reason for our concern with French affairs. Perhaps it's your twisting into stupid internal partisan issues that has your panties in a bunch.

You asked about Bush, so I replied about Bush.

I didn't ask you anything.

[analogika]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

I didn't ask you anything.

Ah, no, you asked *him* why he was concerned with Bush in the "Bush Countdown" thread. I ventured a reply.

I didn't realize you two were having a private conversation.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by analogika 

Ah, no, you asked *him* why he was concerned with Bush in the "Bush Countdown" thread. I ventured a reply.

I didn't realize you two were having a private conversation.

In a discussion between the curious and the hypocrite, I didn't realize you'd be compelled to pop in on behalf of the hypocrite.

[analogika]

Indeed, I appear to have; I didn't realize.

My reply still stands, though.

[Aron Peterson]

And he won.

[OldManMac]

And, if this article is somewhat correct, little will actually change.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/06/we...rssnyt&emc=rss

[Aron Peterson]

Originally Posted by KarlG 

And, if this article is somewhat correct, little will actually change.

France - Elections - Nicolas Sarkozy - S�gol�ne Royal - Social Welfare - New York Times

The article failed to observe one thing. A leader can't change much during the time they are in power. What they can do, what Thatcher did, was lay down the groundwork for change. During Thatcher's tenancy of Downing Street she was seen as an iron willed woman who was taking on the Unions by the horns, putting down protestors, doing all sorts of things that seemed mean and tough and also very useless. There was certainly no economic boom and a recession followed her departure.

But everything she laid down did pay off by the time Tony Blair came to power. Her reforms benefitted the Labour Party, which moved to the center, more than it did the Conservatives. It took a while for the reforms to sink in and take effect, and when they did Britain's economy took off like a rocket and hasn't looked back since.

So whatever Sarkozy does, if done right, will be for France's benefit in 10 years. The Socialists today acknowledged they will have to change. They'll be undergoing the same changes that happened to the Labour Party between Neil Kinnock's era and Tony Blair's.

[Monique]

Sarkozy will be great for France. I wish he was my leader. I agree with his values of getting up early and working instead of doing nothing and about Turkey, which is 5/6 in Asia...

Did you guys watch the French channel about the riots at the Bastille. There was this guy ready to hit a CRS agent with a rock; the CRS had his baton up and his shield and signal to the guy to try him. It was so precious, the rioter just ran in the opposite direction did not walk, he ran and the CRS after him.

People complained about the fact that Sarkozy was tough but I prefered a tough Ministre of the Interieur than one who would let rioters torch Paris.

I sincerely wish that I could work in Sarkozy's government. In mine, I wanted to get care packages from my agency from one coast to the other; my boss's answer it is logistically to complicated, and it was a big no. I am so disappointed. It seems that lazyness is rewarded, the cute girl who does barely enough just got promoted to a job I wanted (well she is having sex with our boss) and I who is ready to go beyond what is expected is swept aside. I know in Sarkozy's government it would be quite the opposite. I am very happy for the French people.