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Can somebody explain to me the argument behind raising defence spending while cutting education spending?
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The basic answer is defense is a national matter and education is a local one.
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Originally Posted by subego
The basic answer is defense is a national matter and education is a local one.
I guess education being a local expense makes sense, it just sucks that many states are cutting back on education a great deal too. Oh well.
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Originally Posted by besson3c
I guess education being a local expense makes sense, it just sucks that many states are cutting back on education a great deal too. Oh well.
This is ultimately where my (pretty hardcore right-wing) philosophy starts to bend to the necessities of the real world.
I like the idea of letting the states do dipshit things, but kids don't get to decide what state they're born in.
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Originally Posted by subego
The basic answer is defense is a national matter and education is a local one.
or state, but yeah, that's correct.
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They raised the wheel and property taxes by 25 and 10%, respectively, in my county to compensate for getting less federal grant money. I thought it was fair.
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants
or state, but yeah, that's correct.
Yes to state. I was aiming for brevity.
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The amount of money spent on 'education' has little to do with how well the kids learn. DC schools spend over 52K per student and usually end up at the bottom.
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I understand the budget proposal repeals obamacare again. Without a replacement health care program. I think they're approaching 100 repeals now.
Don't expect a budget agreement soonish.
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Its silly to cut spending on any programs. There is a zero % chance of repaying our national debt, so might as well just spend as much as we can until this thing collapses.
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Why would you say that the quality of public schools has no bearing on the chances of success in life? This is a ridiculous thing to say.
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Originally Posted by besson3c
Why would you say that the quality of public schools has no bearing on the chances of success in life? This is a ridiculous thing to say.
Little to do ≠ no bearing.
You get a D on this assignment. Resubmit for a better grade.
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Originally Posted by el chupacabra
I'll agree that people need to be much more community oriented, but to say that a person's chance of success in life has little to with the quality of public schools is just silly! The chance of a child's success depends a lot on the zip code he/she was raised in. Yes, parenting has an effect, but if you're going to tell me that a parent who is pushing their children in a wealthy school district with current technology and newer learning materials, versus a parent who pushes their child in a city like Detroit, or Chicago, or Philadelphia, etc, where they are working with outdated books, and "what's a computer," and hoping they have enough toilet paper (it happens), have equal chances at success, I'm not buying it!
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Why is there always money for war, but none for education?
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Are not the definitions of success for a poor, inner-city kid different than the definitions for a middle-class suburban kid?
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Originally Posted by besson3c
Can somebody explain to me the argument behind raising defence spending while cutting education spending?
It's simple; the war hawks in Congress are fed well by the "defense" industry, and the Republicans in Congress want to dismantle public education, so they can privatize it, which results in even more profits for Congress' handlers!
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Originally Posted by subego
Are not the definitions of success for a poor, inner-city kid different than the definitions for a middle-class suburban kid?
Not if you're a multimillionaire. Anyone who isn't obscenely wealthy is looked down up by those who are. The very rich do think differently; they raise hell about entitlements, but they are narcissistic enough to believe they've actually earned the hundreds of millions and billions they have. I saw an article not too long ago, about the money being poured into political campaigns, and part of the article focused on people who are used to giving 100s of thousands of dollars, and getting invited to posh dinners and private meetings with candidates. Now, those same people are being ignored by candidates, because a million dollars is just the entry level for "serious" donations! This country is screwed! Our time in the sun is over!
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Multimillionaires weren't in the question.
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Originally Posted by OldManMac
Not if you're a multimillionaire. Anyone who isn't obscenely wealthy is looked down up by those who are. The very rich do think differently; they raise hell about entitlements, but they are narcissistic enough to believe they've actually earned the hundreds of millions and billions they have.
Nice blanket you have there, unfortunately it doesn't cover me very well and leaves my feet cold.
and yeah, I have earned what I've made.
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^^
I think he's talking about the kind of people who are ridiculously rich. They may have "earned" a number of millions throughout their life; but all these people who've become billionaires and whatnot, mostly didn't earn it. Most made their 100's of millions/billions from stock market IPO's (not by selling 4 billion dollars of good product). Which is just legalized gambling as far as Im concerned. The ability to make billions in 15 minutes... It's not natural... it's not capitalism... And the whole stock market thing has become even more ridiculous making people richer than ever since the internet allowed etrade babies the ability to hand tens of thousands over to these scammers with a button push. I wish we could ban public trading. I see how it disrupts & damages the economy by snuffing out competition from one day of IPO.... (think krispy kreme).
At the same time I can't blame "the rich". They're just taking advantage of a legal system as anyone would; a system which everyone seems to support. If the middle class think the rich are greedy, evil, narcissistic etc. they have the right to not hand their money to them. At the end of the day these people acquire riches by using extremely shallow marketing (think Target/Apple/Kohls/pepsi/liberal style adds) to convince the poor & mid class to give it to them in exchange for something they don't need.
The middle class also should be mindful that they didn't "earn" most of what they have either. The American lifestyle is dependent on outsourced slavery and literally stolen resources. It's been that way at least since WW1, and been getting worse. In U.S., even with the increasing divide of rich vs everyone else, people have it pretty good as far as things they can buy. The average person has access to more 'stuff' than anytime in history. The only thing's going down the tubes in this country are culture & sense of community.
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What's the point of taking AP Calc II if you don't even know how to balance a checkbook, cook yourself a dinner, or change a tire when you run flat on the way to work?
The reason kids in some zip codes are more successful is because schools are one of the biggest factors in newly-married couples home buying decision. Think of it as a positive feedback loop. Schools are better not because of funding, but because the kids there are surrounded by other kids with supportive parents, and the teachers actually get a chance to teach instead of just barely keeping them all from beating the shit out of each other.
Parents are far, far more important to a child's development than the funding at the local school, though funding is important. More of it won't do jack shit for kids with uninterested parents, much as New Jersey has so eloquently just proven for us. NJ, once again, gives us a prime example of how not to be. Thanks Jersey!
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