[Waragainstsleep]

Good old Rick (with a silent P). Must say I never thought I'd agree with him on anything.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/rick-santorum-says-smart-people-will-never-be-on

[Shaddim]

I don't think anyone has ever associated him with being particularly bright. He's the Republican version of Biden.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

I don't think anyone has ever associated him with being particularly bright. He's the Republican version of Biden.

It's scary he was considered a serious Republican candidate.

[OldManMac]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

It's scary he was considered a serious Republican candidate.

I'd say the more appropriate word would be incomprehensible.

The sad thing is that the folks he was addressing probably didn't realizing he was calling them stupid!

[ironknee]

isn't this a bigger issue?

they don't believe in evolution and the attack was the "liberal elitist"

and in texas, they rejected "critical thinking" skills.

oh and jesus is coming soon

it's a race back to the dark ages (when christianity ruled all the uneducated plebeians

the people in the flyover states are angry!

[Chongo]

[besson3c]

Pretty small sample size to be making claims like that, huh Chongo?

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Pretty small sample size to be making claims like that, huh Chongo?

Ask and you shall receive.

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Lorenzo Albacete (1941) Priest physicist and theologian
José de Acosta (1539–1600) – Jesuit missionary and naturalist who wrote one of the very first detailed and realistic descriptions of the new world
François d'Aguilon (1567–1617) – Belgian Jesuit mathematician, physicist, and architect.
Albert of Saxony (philosopher) (c. 1320–1390) – German bishop known for his contributions to logic and physics; with Buridan he helped develop the theory that was a precursor to the modern theory of inertia[6]
Albertus Magnus (c. 1206–1280) – Dominican friar and Bishop of Regensberg who has been described as "one of the most famous precursors of modern science in the High Middle Ages."[7] Patron saint of natural sciences; Works in physics, logic, metaphysics, biology, and psychology.
Giulio Alenio (1582-1649) - Jesuit theologian, astronomer and mathematician. He was sent to the Far East as a missionary and adopted a Chinese name and customs. He wrote 25 books including a cosmography and a Life of Jesus in Chinese.
José María Algué (1856–1930) – Priest and meteorologist who invented the barocyclonometer
José Antonio de Alzate y Ramírez (1737–1799) – Priest, scientist, historian, cartographer, and meteorologist who wrote more than thirty treatises on a variety of scientific subjects
Francesco Castracane degli Antelminelli (1817–1899) – Priest and botanist who was one of the first to introduce microphotography into the study of biology
Giovanni Antonelli (1818–1872) – Priest and director of the Ximenian Observatory of Florence who also collaborated on the design of a prototype of the internal combustion engine
Nicolò Arrighetti (1709–1767) – Jesuit who wrote treatises on light, heat, and electricity.
Giuseppe Asclepi (1706–1776) – Jesuit astronomer and physician who served as director of the Collegio Romano observatory; The lunar crater Asclepi is named after him.

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Roger Bacon (c. 1214–1294) – Franciscan friar who made significant contributions to mathematics and optics and has been described as a forerunner of modern scientific method.
Bernardino Baldi (1533–1617) – Abbot, mathematician, and writer
Eugenio Barsanti (1821–1864) – Piarist who is the possible inventor of the internal combustion engine
Bartholomeus Amicus (1562–1649) – Jesuit wrote on philosophy, mathematics, astronomy, and the concept of vacuum and its relationship with God.
Daniello Bartoli (1608–1685) – Bartoli and fellow Jesuit astronomer Niccolò Zucchi are credited as probably having been the first to see the equatorial belts on the planet Jupiter
Joseph Bayma (1816–1892) – Jesuit known for work in stereochemistry and mathematics
Giacopo Belgrado (1704–1789) – Jesuit professor of mathematics and physics and court mathematician who did experimental work in physics
Mario Bettinus (1582–1657) – Jesuit philosopher, mathematician and astronomer; lunar crater Bettinus named after him
Giuseppe Biancani (1566–1624) – Jesuit astronomer, mathematician, and selenographer, after whom the crater Blancanus on the Moon is named
Jacques de Billy (1602–1679) – Jesuit who has produced a number of results in number theory which have been named after him; published several astronomical tables; The crater Billy on the Moon is named after him.
Paolo Boccone (1633–1704) – Cistercian botanist who contributed to the fields of medicine and toxicology
Bernard Bolzano (1781–1848) – Priest, mathematician, and logician whose other interests included metaphysics, ideas, sensation, and truth.
Anselmus de Boodt (1550–1632) – Canon who was one of the founders of mineralogy
Theodoric Borgognoni (1205–1298) – Domincan friar, Bishop of Cervia, and medieval Surgeon who made important contributions to antiseptic practice and anaesthetics
Christopher Borrus (1583–1632) – Jesuit mathematician and astronomy who made observations on the magnetic variation of the compass
Roger Joseph Boscovich (1711–1787) – Jesuit polymath known for his contributions to modern atomic theory and astronomy
Joachim Bouvet (1656–1730) – Jesuit sinologist and cartographer who did his work in China
Michał Boym (c. 1612–1659) – Jesuit who was one of the first westerners to travel within the Chinese mainland, and the author of numerous works on Asian fauna, flora and geography.
Thomas Bradwardine (c. 1290–1349) – Archbishop of Canturbury and mathematician who helped develop the mean speed theorem; one of the Oxford Calculators
Henri Breuil (1877–1961) – Priest, archaeologist, anthropologist, ethnologist and geologist.
Jan Brożek (1585–1652) – Polish canon, polymath, mathematician, astronomer, and physician; the most prominent Polish mathematician of the 17th century
Louis-Ovide Brunet (1826–1876) – Priest who was one of the founding fathers of Canadian botany
Francesco Faà di Bruno (c. 1825–1888) – Priest and mathematician beatified by Pope John Paul II
Giordano Bruno (1548–1600) – Dominican philosopher, mathematician, and astronomer who believed in the infinity of the universe; burned at the stake for his theological and philosophical views.
Ismaël Bullialdus (1605–1694) – Priest, astronomer, and member of the Royal Society; the Bullialdus crater is named in his honor
Jean Buridan (c. 1300 – after 1358) – Priest who formulated early ideas of momentum and inertial motion and sowed the seeds of the Copernican revolution in Europe
Roberto Busa (1913-2011) - Jesuit wrote a lemmatization of the complete works of St. Thomas Aquinas (Index Thomisticus) which was later digitalized by IBM.

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Niccolò Cabeo (1586–1650) – Jesuit mathematician; the crater Cabeus is named in his honor
Nicholas Callan (1799–1846) – Priest & Irish scientist best known for his work on the induction coil
Jean Baptiste Carnoy (1836–1899) – Priest who has been called the founder of the science of cytology
Giovanni di Casali (died c. 1375) – Franciscan friar who provided a graphical analysis of the motion of accelerated bodies
Paolo Casati (1617–1707) – Jesuit mathematician who wrote on astronomy and vacuums; The crater Casatus on the Moon is named after him.
Laurent Cassegrain (1629–1693) – Priest who was the probable namesake of the Cassegrain telescope; The crater Cassegrain on the Moon is named after him
Benedetto Castelli (1578–1643) – Benedictine mathematician; long-time friend and supporter of Galileo Galilei, who was his teacher; wrote an important work on fluids in motion
Bonaventura Cavalieri (1598–1647) – Jesuate known for his work on the problems of optics and motion, work on the precursors of infinitesimal calculus, and the introduction of logarithms to Italy. Cavalieri's principle in geometry partially anticipated integral calculus; the lunar crater Cavalerius is named in his honor
Antonio José Cavanilles (1745–1804) – Priest and leading Spanish taxonomic botanist of the 18th century
Francesco Cetti (1726–1778) – Jesuit zoologist and mathematician
Tommaso Ceva (1648–1737) – Jesuit mathematician and professor who wrote treatises on geometry, gravity, and arithmetic
Christopher Clavius (1538–1612) – Respected Jesuit Astronomer and mathematician who headed the commission that yielded the Gregorian calendar; wrote influential astronomical textbook.
Guy Consolmagno (1952– ) – Jesuit astronomer and planetary scientist
Nicolaus Copernicus (1473–1543) –Renaissance astronomer and canon famous for his heliocentric cosmology that set in motion the Copernican Revolution
Vincenzo Coronelli (1650–1718) – Franciscan cosmographer, cartographer, encyclopedist, and globe-maker
George Coyne (1933– ) – Jesuit astronomer and former director of the Vatican Observatory
James Cullen (mathematician) (1867–1933) – Jesuit mathematician who published what is now known as Cullen numbers in number theory
James Curley (astronomer) (1796–1889) – Jesuit who was the first director of Georgetown Observatory and determined the latitude and longitude of Washington D.C.
Albert Curtz (1600–1671) – Jesuit astronomer who expanded on the works of Tycho Brahe and contributed to early understanding of the moon; The crater Curtius on the Moon is named after him.
Johann Baptist Cysat (1587–1657) – Jesuit mathematician and astronomer, after whom the lunar crater Cysatus is named; published the first printed European book concerning Japan; one of the first to make use of the newly developed telescope; most important work was on comets
Jean-Baptiste Chappe d'Auteroche (1722-1769) - Priest and astronomer best known for his observations of the transits of Venus

D

Ignazio Danti (1536–1586) – Dominican mathematician, astronomer, cosmographer, and cartographer
Armand David (1826–1900) – Lazarist priest, zoologist, and botanist who did important work in these fields in China
Francesco Denza (1834–1894) – Barnabite meteorologist, astronomer, and director of Vatican Observatory
Václav Prokop Diviš (1698–1765) – Czech priest who studied the lightning rod independent of Franklin and constructed the first electrified musical instrument in history
Johann Dzierzon (1811–1906) – Priest and pioneering apiarist who discovered the phenomenon of parthenogenesis among bees, and designed the first successful movable-frame beehive; has been described as the "father of modern apiculture"

F

Honoré Fabri (1607–1688) – Jesuit mathematician and physicist
Jean-Charles de la Faille (1597–1652) – Jesuit mathematician who determined the center of gravity of the sector of a circle for the first time
Gabriele Falloppio (1523–1562) – Canon and one of the most important anatomists and physicians of the sixteenth century. The Fallopian tubes, which extend from the uterus to the ovaries, are named for him.
Gyula Fényi (1845–1927) – Jesuit astronomer and director of the Haynald Observatory; noted for his observations of the sun; The crater Fényi on the Moon is named after him
Louis Feuillée (1660–1732) – Minim explorer, astronomer, geographer, and botanist
Placidus Fixlmillner (1721–1791) – Benedictine priest and one of the first astronomers to compute the orbit of Uranus
Paolo Frisi (1728–1784) – Priest, mathematician, and astronomer who did significant work in hydraulics
José Gabriel Funes (1963– ) – Jesuit astronomer and current director of the Vatican Observatory

G

Joseph Galien (1699 – c. 1762) – Dominican professor who wrote on aeronautics, hailstorms, and airships
Jean Gallois (1632–1707) – French scholar, abbot, and member of Academie des sciences
Pierre Gassendi (1592–1655) – French priest, astronomer, and mathematician who published the first data on the transit of Mercury; best known intellectual project attempted to reconcile Epicurean atomism with Christianity
Agostino Gemelli (1878–1959) – Franciscan physician and psychologist; founded Catholic University of the Sacred Heart in Milan
Johannes von Gmunden (c. 1380–1442) – Canon, mathematician, and astronomer who compiled astronomical tables; Asteroid 15955 Johannesgmunden named in his honor
Carlos de Sigüenza y Góngora (1645–1700) – Priest, polymath, mathematician, astronomer, and cartographer; drew the first map of all of New Spain
Andrew Gordon (Benedictine) (1712–1751) – Benedictine monk, physicist, and inventor who made the first electric motor
Christoph Grienberger (1561–1636) – Jesuit astronomer after whom the crater Gruemberger on the Moon is named; verified Galileo's discovery of Jupiter's moons.
Francesco Maria Grimaldi (1618–1663) – Jesuit who discovered the diffraction of light (indeed coined the term "diffraction"), investigated the free fall of objects, and built and used instruments to measure geological features on the moon
Robert Grosseteste (c. 1175 – 1253) – Bishop who was one of the most knowledgeable men of the Middle Ages; has been called "the first man ever to write down a complete set of steps for performing a scientific experiment."[8]
Paul Guldin (1577–1643) – Jesuit mathematician and astronomer who discovered the Guldinus theorem to determine the surface and the volume of a solid of revolution
Bartolomeu de Gusmão (1685–1724) – Jesuit known for his early work on lighter-than-air airship design

H

Johann Georg Hagen (1847–1930) – Jesuit director of the Georgetown and Vatican Observatories; The crater Hagen on the Moon is named after him
Nicholas Halma (1755–1828) – French abbot, mathematician, and translator
Jean-Baptiste du Hamel (1624–1706) – French priest, natural philosopher, and secretary of the Academie Royale des Sciences
René Just Haüy (1743–1822) – Priest known as the father of crystallography
Maximilian Hell (1720–1792) – Jesuit astronomer and director of the Vienna Observatory; the crater Hell on the Moon is named after him.
Michał Heller (1936– ) – Priest, Templeton Prize winner, and prolific writer on numerous scientific topics
Lorenz Hengler (1806–1858) – Priest often credited as the inventor of the horizontal pendulum
Hermann of Reichenau (1013–1054) – Benedictine historian, music theorist, astronomer, and mathematician
Pierre Marie Heude (1836–1902) – Jesuit missionary and zoologist who studied the natural history of Eastern Asia
Franz von Paula Hladnik (1773–1844) – Priest and botanist who discovered several new kinds of plants, and certain genera have been named after him
Giovanni Battista Hodierna (1597–1660) – Priest and astronomer who catalogued nebulous objects and developed an early microscope
Victor-Alphonse Huard (1853–1929) – Priest, naturalist, educator, writer, and promoter of the natural sciences

I

Maximus von Imhof (1758–1817) – German Augustinian physicist and director of the Munich Academy of Sciences
Giovanni Inghirami (1779–1851) – Italian Piarist astronomer who has a valley on the moon named after him as well as a crater

J

François Jacquier (1711–1788) – Franciscan mathematician and physicist; at his death he was connected with nearly all the great scientific and literary societies of Europe
Stanley Jaki (1924–2009) – Benedictine priest and prolific writer who wrote on the relationship between science and theology
Ányos Jedlik (1800–1895) – Benedictine engineer, physicist, and inventor; considered by Hungarians and Slovaks to be the unsung father of the dynamo and electric motor

K

Georg Joseph Kamel (1661–1706) – Jesuit missionary and botanist who established the first pharmacy in the Philippines
Otto Kippes (1905–1994) – Priest acknowledged for his work in asteroid orbit calculations; the main belt asteroid 1780 Kippes was named in his honour
Athanasius Kircher (1602–1680) – Jesuit who has been called the father of Egyptology and "Master of a hundred arts"; wrote an encyclopedia of China; one of the first people to observe microbes through a microscope
Wenceslas Pantaleon Kirwitzer (1588–1626) – Jesuit astronomer and missionary who published observations of comets
Jan Krzysztof Kluk (1739–1796) – Priest, naturalist agronomist, and entomologist who wrote a multi-volume work on Polish animal life
Marian Wolfgang Koller (1792–1866) – Benedictine professor who wrote on astronomy, physics, and meteorology
Franz Xaver Kugler (1862–1929) – Jesuit chemist, mathematician, and Assyriologist who is most noted for his studies of cuneiform tablets and Babylonian astronomy

L

Nicolas Louis de Lacaille (1713-1762) - French deacon and astronomer noted for cataloguing stars, nebulous objects, and constellations
Eugene Lafont (1837–1908) – Jesuit physicist, astronomer, and founder of the first Scientific Society in India
Antoine de Laloubère (1600–1664) – Jesuit and first mathematician to study the properties of the helix
Bernard Lamy (1640–1715) – Oratorian philosopher and mathematician who wrote on the parallelogram of forces
Pierre André Latreille (1762–1833) – Priest and entomologist whose works describing insects assigned many of the insect taxa still in use today
Georges Lemaître (1894–1966) – Priest and father of the Big Bang Theory
Thomas Linacre (c. 1460–1524) – English priest, humanist, translator, and physician
Francis Line (1595–1675) – Jesuit magnetic clock and sundial maker who disagreed with some of the findings of Newton and Boyle
Juan Caramuel y Lobkowitz (1606–1682) – Cistercian who wrote on a variety of scientific subjects, including probability theory

M

Jean Mabillon (1632–1707) – Benedictine monk and scholar, considered the founder of palaeography and diplomatics
James B. Macelwane (1883–1956) – "The best-known Jesuit seismologist" and "one of the most honored practicioners of the science of all time"; wrote the first textbook on seismology in America.
Paul McNally (1890–1955) – Jesuit astronomer and director of Georgetown Observatory; the crater McNally on the Moon is named after him.
Pierre Macq (1930– ) – Priest and physicist who was awarded the Francqui Prize on Exact Sciences for his work on experimental nuclear physics
Manuel Magri (1851–1907) – Jesuit ethnographer, archaeologist and writer; one of Malta's pioneers in archaeology
Emmanuel Maignan (1601–1676) – Minim physicist and professor of medicine who published works on gnomonics and perspective
Charles Malapert (1581–1630) – Jesuit writer, astronomer, and proponent of Aristotelian cosmology; also known for observations of sunpots and of the lunar surface, and the crater Malapert on the Moon is named after him
Nicolas Malebranche (1638–1715) – Oratorian philosopher who studied physics, optics, and the laws of motion and disseminated the ideas of Descartes and Leibniz
Marcin of Urzędów (c. 1500–1573) – Priest, physician, pharmacist, and botanist
Joseph Maréchal (1878–1944) – Jesuit philosopher and psychologist
Marie-Victorin (1885–1944) – Christian Brother and botanist best known as the father of the Jardin botanique de Montréal
Edme Mariotte (c. 1620–1684) – Priest and physicist who recognized Boyle's Law and wrote about the nature of color
Francesco Maurolico (1494–1575) – Benedictine who made contributions to the fields of geometry, optics, conics, mechanics, music, and astronomy, and gave the first known proof by mathematical induction
Christian Mayer (astronomer) (1719–1783) – Jesuit astronomer most noted for pioneering the study of binary stars
Gregor Mendel (1822–1884) – Augustinian monk and father of genetics
Pietro Mengoli (1626–1686) – Priest and mathematician who first posed the famous Basel Problem
Giuseppe Mercalli (1850–1914) – Priest, volcanologist, and director of the Vesuvius Observatory who is best remembered today for his Mercalli scale for measuring earthquakes which is still in use
Marin Mersenne (1588–1648) – Minim philosopher, mathematician, and music theorist who is often referred to as the "father of acoustics"
Paul of Middelburg (1446–1534) – Bishop of Fossombrone who wrote important works on the reform of the calendar
Maciej Miechowita (1457–1523) – Canon who wrote the first accurate geographical and ethnographical description of Eastern Europe, as well as two medical treatises
François-Napoléon-Marie Moigno (1804–1884) – Jesuit physicist and mathematician; was an expositor of science and translator rather than an original investigator
Juan Ignacio Molina (1740–1829) – Jesuit naturalist, historian, botanist, ornithologist and geographer
Louis Moréri (1643–1680) – 17th century priest and encyclopaedist
Théodore Moret (1602–1667) – Jesuit mathematician and author of the first mathematical dissertations ever defended in Prague; the lunar crater Moretus is named after him.
Landell de Moura (1861–1928) – Priest and inventor who was the first to accomplish the transmission of the human voice by a wireless machine
Gabriel Mouton (1618–1694) – Abbot, mathematician, astronomer, and early proponent of the metric system
Jozef Murgaš (1864–1929) – Priest who contributed to wireless telegraphy and help develop mobile communications and wireless transmission of information and human voice
José Celestino Mutis (1732–1808) – Canon, botanist, and mathematician who led the Royal Botanical Expedition of the New World

N

Jean François Niceron (1613–1646) – Minim mathematician who studied geometrical optics
Nicholas of Cusa (1401–1464) – Cardinal, philosopher, jurist, mathematician, astronomer, and one of the great geniuses and polymaths of the 15th century
Julius Nieuwland (1878–1936) – Holy Cross priest, known for his contributions to acetylene research and its use as the basis for one type of synthetic rubber, which eventually led to the invention of neoprene by DuPont
Jean-Antoine Nollet (1700–1770) – Abbot and physicist who discovered the phenomenon of osmosis in natural membranes.

O

Hugo Obermaier (1877–1946) – Priest, prehistorian, and anthropologist who is known for his work on the diffusion of mankind in Europe during the Ice Age, as well as his work with north Spanish cave art
William of Ockham (c. 1288 – c. 1348) – Franciscan Scholastic who wrote significant works on logic, physics, and theology; known for Ockham's Razor
Nicole Oresme (c. 1323–1382) – One of the most famous and influential philosophers of the later Middle Ages; economist, mathematician, physicist, astronomer, philosopher, theologian and Bishop of Lisieux, and competent translator; one of the most original thinkers of the 14th century
Barnaba Oriani (1752–1832) – Barnabite geodesist, astronomer and scientist whose greatest achievement was his detailed research of the planet Uranus, and is also known for Oriani's theorem

P

Luca Pacioli (c. 1446–1517) – Franciscan friar who published several works on mathematics and is often regarded as the Father of Accounting
Ignace-Gaston Pardies (1636–1673) – Jesuit physicist known for his correspondence with Newton and Descartes
Franciscus Patricius (1529–1597) – Priest, cosmic theorist, philosopher, and Renaissance scholar
John Peckham (1230–1292) – Archbishop of Canterbury and early practitioner of experimental science
Nicolas Claude Fabri de Peiresc (1580–1637) – Abbot and astromer who discovered the Orion Nebula; lunar crater Peirescius named in his honor
Stephen Joseph Perry (1833–1889) – Jesuit astronomer and Fellow of the Royal Society; made frequent observations of Jupiter's satellites, of stellar occultations, of comets, of meteorites, of sun spots, and faculae
Giambattista Pianciani (1784–1862) – Jesuit mathematician and physicist
Giuseppe Piazzi (1746–1826) – Theatine mathematician and astronomer who discovered Ceres, today known as the largest member of the asteroid belt; also did important work cataloguing stars
Jean Picard (1620–1682) – Priest and first person to measure the size of the Earth to a reasonable degree of accuracy; also developed what became the standard method for measuring the right ascension of a celestial object; The PICARD mission, an orbiting solar observatory, is named in his honor
Edward Pigot (1858–1929) – Jesuit seismologist and astronomer
Alexandre Guy Pingré (1711–1796) – French priest astronomer and naval geographer; the crater Pingré on the Moon is named after him, as is the asteroid 12719 Pingré
Andrew Pinsent (1966- ) – Priest whose current research includes the application of insights from autism and social cognition to 'second-person' accounts of moral perception and character formation. His previous scientific research contributed to the DELPHI experiment at CERN
Jean Baptiste François Pitra (1812–1889) – Bendedictine cardinal, archaeologist and theologian who noteworthy for his great archaeological discoveries
Charles Plumier (1646–1704) – Minim friar who is considered one of the most important botanical explorers of his time
Marcin Odlanicki Poczobutt (1728–1810) – Jesuit astronomer and mathematician; granted the title of the King's Astronomer; the crater Poczobutt on the Moon is named after him.
Léon Abel Provancher (1820–1892) – Priest and naturalist devoted to the study and description of the fauna and flora of Canada; his pioneer work won for him the appellation of the "Father of Natural History in Canada"

R

Louis Receveur (1757–1788) – Franciscan naturalist and astronomer; described as being as close as one could get to being an ecologist in the 18th century
Franz Reinzer (1661–1708) – Jesuit who wrote an in-depth meteorological, astrological, and political compendium covering topics such as comets, meteors, lightning, winds, fossils, metals, bodies of water, and subterranean treasures and secrets of the earth
Louis Rendu (1789–1859) – Bishop who wrote an important book on the mechanisms of glacial motion; the Rendu Glacier, Alaska, U.S. and Mount Rendu, Antarctica are named for him
Vincenzo Riccati (1707–1775) – Italian Jesuit mathematician and physicist
Matteo Ricci (1552–1610) – One of the founding fathers of the Jesuit China Mission and co-author of the first European-Chinese dictionary
Giovanni Battista Riccioli (1598–1671) – Jesuit astronomer who authored Almagestum novum, an influential encyclopedia of astronomy; The first person to measure the rate of acceleration of a freely falling body; created a selenograph with Father Grimaldi that now adorns the entrance at the National Air and Space Museum in Washington D.C.
Richard of Wallingford (1292-1336) - Abbot, renowned clockmaker, and one of the initiators of western trigonometry
Johannes Ruysch (c. 1460–1533) – Priest, explorer, cartographer, and astronomer who created the second oldest known printed representation of the New World

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Giovanni Girolamo Saccheri (1667–1733) – Jesuit mathematician and geometer
Johannes de Sacrobosco (c. 1195 – c. 1256) – Irish monk and astronomer who wrote the authoritative medieval astronomy text Tractatus de Sphaera; his Algorismus was the first text to introduce Hindu-Arabic numerals and procedures into the European university curriculum; the lunar crater Sacrobosco is named after him
Gregoire de Saint-Vincent (1584–1667) – Jesuit mathematician who made important contributions to the study of the hyperbola
Alphonse Antonio de Sarasa (1618–1667) – Jesuit mathematician who contributed to the understanding of logarithms
Christoph Scheiner (c. 1573–1650) – Jesuit physicist, astronomer, and inventor of the pantograph; wrote on a wide range of scientific subjects
Wilhelm Schmidt (linguist) (1868–1954) – Austrian priest, linguist, anthropologist, and ethnologist.
George Schoener (1864–1941) – Priest who became known in the United States as the "Padre of the Roses" for his experiments in rose breeding
Gaspar Schott (1608–1666) – Jesuit physicist, astronomer, and natural philosopher who is most widely known for his works on hydraulic and mechanical instruments
Franz Paula von Schrank (1747–1835) – Priest, botanist, entomologist, and prolific writer
Berthold Schwarz (c. 14th century) – Franciscan friar and reputed inventor of gunpowder and firearms
Anton Maria Schyrleus of Rheita (1604–1660) – Capuchin astronomer and optrician who built Kepler's telescope
George Mary Searle (1839–1918) – Paulist astronomer and professor who discovered six galaxies
Angelo Secchi (1818–1878) – Jesuit pioneer in astronomical spectroscopy, and one of the first scientists to state authoritatively that the sun is a star
Alessandro Serpieri (1823–1885) – Priest, astronomer, and seismologist who studied shooting stars, and was the first to introduce the concept of the seismic radiant
Gerolamo Sersale (1584–1654) – Jesuit astronomer and selenographer; his map of the moon can be seen in the Naval Observatory of San Fernando; the lunar crater Sirsalis is named after him
Benedict Sestini (1816–1890) – Jesuit astronomer, mathematician and architect; studied sunspots and eclipses; wrote textbooks on a variety of mathematical subjects
René François Walter de Sluse (1622–1685) – Canon and mathematician with a family of curves named after him
Lazzaro Spallanzani (1729–1799) – Priest, biologist, and physiologist who made important contributions to the experimental study of bodily functions, animal reproduction, and essentially discovered echolocation; his research of biogenesis paved the way for the investigations of Louis Pasteur
Valentin Stansel (1621–1705) – Jesuit astronomer who made important observations of comets
Johan Stein (1871–1951) – Jesuit astronomer and director of the Vatican Observatory, which he modernized and relocated to Castel Gandolfo; the crater Stein on the far side of the Moon is named after him
Nicolas Steno (1638–1686) – Bishop beatified by Pope John Paul II who is often called the father of geology[9] and stratigraphy[7], and is known for Steno's principles
Pope Sylvester II (c. 946–1003) – Prolific scholar who endorsed and promoted Arabic knowledge of arithmetic, mathematics, and astronomy in Europe, reintroducing the abacus and armillary sphere which had been lost to Europe since the end of the Greco-Roman era
Alexius Sylvius Polonus (1593 – c. 1653) – Jesuit astronomer who studied sunspots and published a work on calendariography
Ignacije Szentmartony (1718–1793) – Jesuit cartographer, mathematician, and astronomer who became a member of the expedition that worked on the rearrangement of the frontiers among colonies in South America

T

André Tacquet (1612–1660) – Jesuit mathematician whose work laid the groundwork for the eventual discovery of calculus
Pierre Teilhard de Chardin (1881–1955) – Jesuit paleontologist and geologist who took part in the discovery of Peking Man
Francesco Lana de Terzi (c. 1631–1687) – Jesuit referred to as the Father of Aviation[10] for his pioneering efforts; he also developed a blind writing alphabet prior to Braille.
Theodoric of Freiberg (c. 1250 – c. 1310) – Dominican theologian and physicist who gave the first correct geometrical analysis of the rainbow
Joseph Tiefenthaler (1710–1785) – Jesuit who was one of the earliest European geographers to write about India
Giuseppe Toaldo (1719–1797) – Priest and physicist who studied atmospheric electricity and did important work with lightning rods; the asteroid 23685 Toaldo is named for him.
José Torrubia (c. 1700–1768) – Franciscan linguist, scientist, collector of fossils and books, and writer on historical, political and religious subjects
Franz de Paula Triesnecker (1745–1817) – Jesuit astronomer and director of the Vienna Observatory; published a number of treatises on astronomy and geography; the crater Triesnecker on the Moon is named after him.

V

Basil Valentine (c. 15th century) – Benedictine alchemist whom author James J. Walsh calls the father of modern chemistry[11]
Luca Valerio (1552–1618) – Jesuit mathematician who developed ways to find volumes and centers of gravity of solid bodies
Pierre Varignon (1654–1722) – Priest and mathematician whose principle contributions were to statics and mechanics; created a mechanical explanation of gravitation
Giovanni Battista Venturi (1746-1822) - Priest who discovered the Venturi effect
Fausto Veranzio (c. 1551–1617) – Bishop, polymath, inventor, and lexicographer
Ferdinand Verbiest (1623–1688) – Jesuit astronomer and mathematician; designed what some claim to be the first ever self-propelled vehicle – many claim this as the world's first automobile
Francesco de Vico (1805–1848) – Jesuit astronomer who discovered or co-discovered a number of comets; also made observations of Saturn and the gaps in its rings; the lunar crater De Vico and the asteroid 20103 de Vico are named after him
Vincent of Beauvais (c.1190–c.1264) – Dominican who wrote the most influential encyclopedia of the Middle Ages
János Vitéz (archbishop) (c.1405–1472) – Archbishop, astronomer, and mathematician

W

Martin Waldseemüller (c. 1470–1520) – German priest and cartographer who, along with Matthias Ringmann, is credited with the first recorded usage of the word America
Godefroy Wendelin (1580–1667) – Priest and astronomer who recognized that Kepler's third law applied to the satellites of Jupiter; the lunar crate Vendelinus is named in his honor
Johannes Werner (1468–1522) – Priest, mathematician, astronomer, and geographer
Witelo (c. 1230 – after 1280, before 1314) – Friar, physicist, natural philosopher, and mathematician; lunar crater Vitello named in his honor; his Perspectiva powerfully influenced later scientists, in particular Johannes Kepler
Julian Tenison Woods (1832–1889) – Passionist geologist and mineralogist
Theodor Wulf (1868–1946) – Jesuit physicist who was one of the first experimenters to detect excess atmospheric radiation
Franz Xaver von Wulfen (1728-1805) - Jesuit botanist, mineralogist, and alpinist

Z

John Zahm (1851–1921) – Holy Cross priest and South American explorer
Giuseppe Zamboni (1776–1846) – Priest and physicist who invented the Zamboni pile, an early electric battery similar to the Voltaic pile
Francesco Zantedeschi (1797–1873) – Priest who was among the first to recognize the marked absorption by the atmosphere of red, yellow, and green light; published papers on the production of electric currents in closed circuits by the approach and withdrawal of a magnet, thereby anticipating Michael Faraday's classical experiments of 1831[12]
Niccolò Zucchi (1586–1670) – Jesuit who invented the reflecting telescope[13] and may have been the first to see the belts on the planet Jupiter[14]
Giovanni Battista Zupi (c. 1590–1650) – Jesuit astronomer, mathematician, and first person to discover that the planet Mercury had orbital phases; the crater Zupus on the Moon is named after him

[besson3c]

Some unsourced random names... Okay?

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Some unsourced random names... Okay?

My bad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Roman_Catholic_cleric-scientists

and then there's

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Catholic_scientists

[subego]

Catholics and science go together fine. Much better than people imagine. Ask a kid going to Catholic school what they're learning and you'll find it's plain old secular science.

The problem is idiots who also happen to be Catholic.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by subego 

Catholics and science go together fine. Much better than people imagine. Ask a kid going to Catholic school what they're learning and you'll find it's plain old secular science.
The problem is idiots who also happen to be Catholic.

Exactly, I was just bothered by the incomplete argument.

[subego]

There's a fantastic book BTW, called The Ghost Map, about how a priest, using scientific method, was pivotal in discovering the source of the big cholera epidemic in London.

The author has degrees in epidemiology and Victorian literature. He's unusually qualified to write about it and it comes through. Fantastic book.

[subego]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Exactly, I was just bothered by the incomplete argument.

Only trying to round it out.

[lpkmckenna]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

I don't think anyone has ever associated him with being particularly bright. He's the Republican version of Biden.

The stupidest comparison possible.

Biden has long list of successes in politics, and is generally likeable, reasonable, warm, and well-spoken. Santorum has never done anything positive for anyone. He's a Catholic who agrees with the Vatican on birth control, he thinks Vatican doctrine on homosexuality and abortion should be legally mandated, but he gives little or nothing to charity. He's an enemy of women, the poor, and gays.

Biden and Santorum are mirror images of each other: the good reasonable Catholic, and the selfish, irrational Catholic.

EDIT: and I forgot, Santorum advocated the teaching of Intelligent Design in public schools, even though it is not a legitimate scientific theory.
EDIT2: and he blamed the Catholic child molestation scandal on liberalism.
EDIT3: and he claimed John McCain "doesn't understand how enhanced interrogation works."

Santorum is an evil, contemptible pr!ck.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by subego 

There's a fantastic book BTW, called The Ghost Map, about how a priest, using scientific method, was pivotal in discovering the source of the big cholera epidemic in London.
The author has degrees in epidemiology and Victorian literature. He's unusually qualified to write about it and it comes through. Fantastic book.

Why is it that modern religious people feel threatened by science? Why do some feel that the two are inherently in conflict with each other?

[subego]

You don't see an obvious tension between the search for objective truth and faith?

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally Posted by subego 

You don't see an obvious tension between the search for objective truth and faith?

Only when augmented by literalism and ignorance.

There is nothing about the beauty of patterns and mechanisms of nature that precludes belief in a creator.

On the contrary.

[subego]

Tension ≠ preclusion.

[Waragainstsleep]

I was actually surprised to find out Santorum was a catholic. The religions I take issue with the most are the ones which deny science but I've never thought of catholicism as being one of those. When the scientific method was still young, many scholars were not only catholic but clergy as they tended to be the ones with enough education to run with it.

I didn't think creationism or literal interpretation of the bible was very popular among catholics these days. The one exception to their generally scientifically enlightened status being travesty of teaching people in the third world that condoms don't prevent aids. Thats absolutely shameful behaviour.

Once upon a time science and religion were one and the same thing. Humanity asked questions like "Why did my crops grow better or worse this year?" They eventually worked out that sunlight and rainfall were key to growing good crops and so they naturally enquired as to whether or not they could influence these things somehow. Sooner or later someone came up with ideas like prayer and sacrifice and then you are only a few coincidences away from worshipping the sun god like the Mayans or Egyptians did.

I guess it wasn't long after that some cunning people learned they could use it as a control mechanism and the rest as they say....


The whole literalism thing baffles me as well. Its utter lunacy.

[Chongo]

Thus the need for the Magisterium.

[ironknee]

chongo just 1 question:

the earth is 6,000 year old or 3.5 billion years old?

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

chongo just 1 question:
the earth is 6,000 year old or 3.5 billion years old?

Could be older than 3.5 billion years. How old is the universe?

[subego]

The oldest stars are 10byr+. The best guess is about 14.5byr.

The Sun is about 4.5byr, so the Earth can't be any older than that.

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by subego 

The oldest stars are 10byr+. The best guess is about 14.5byr.
The Sun is about 4.5byr, so the Earth can't be any older than that.

Then what was there before that?

[subego]

If you make an honest promise not to bail, I'll hook you up.

[Spheric Harlot]

This is why I say that science in no way precludes a creator.

The universe is about 15 billion years old. Evolution is reality. Plate tectonics are reality. The movement of stars and planets is really a result of orbits and gravitational forces, and a few other things. These things aren't really in dispute. And the beauty of these is that they function according to fairly simple rules, and that the creation of this ingenious simplicity resulting in such complexity is much more credit to a higher power than Biblical creation with all its inconsistencies, random crap, and complete contradictions.

A god who sets up a system running according to a few beautiful rules and sees how his creation deals with it seems so much more sensible than an autocratic and inconsistent control freak who plants fossils in the dirt just to **** with us, and then sends a hurricane to disrupt the GOP...? Do the planets orbit the sun, or are we still convinced that God is moving them across our heavens according to arcane and mysterious patterns, the mechanisms of which are beknown only to him?

[subego]

Meh.

Sensible God's a prick.

All "shut the **** up about your kid" to Yaweh and shit.

[Spheric Harlot]

Literalism can really **** a world up.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot 

A god who sets up a system running according to a few beautiful rules and sees how his creation deals with it seems so much more sensible than an autocratic and inconsistent control freak who plants fossils in the dirt just to **** with us ...

I've always thought this as well. A self-sustaining system that can adapt and result in *new* things as a result is much more amazing than a one-time-only creation that remains static for all eternity.

[Shaddim]

This place is a lot like a Lewis Black concert, only, you know, without the actual comedy. Not that I disagree with the barbs, I'm prone to the, "WTF? The Flintstones is not a documentary" moments too, but that shit was whipped up into mousse decades ago. Folks who go to "museums" where they show people and a T-Rex walking around together, unless it's an Epcot Jurassic Park-type deal, aren't going to change their views just because you mock them or tell them they're cuckoo. Trust me, I know, I've been doing it ever since I was 6, and old enough to ask questions in my parents' Pentecostal church. Yeah, I did frequently come home with a belt-striped ass, thanks for asking. I'm not sure what to do, maybe give them Alabama? I mean, they already have it, we could just make it official and maybe they would all just go there. They could call it the United State of Nuckfuts and elect Sarah Palin as their queen, or whatever.

The thing is, take it from a Deist with 80% of their family self-identified as young-Earth Creationists, it's pointless. Insulting and arguing doesn't help, you only end up hitting other people of faith with splatter from the money shot. Then, the guys who are usually much more reasonable, they get pissed too, and they all band together with the Nuckfuts to go kick the shit out of the common enemy. You. So, shut your pie-holes, get along with the reasonable religious people, and act like you have some God-dammed common sense.

There, damn, now I want a cigarette.

[OAW]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

I'm not sure what to do, maybe give them Alabama? I mean, they already have it, we could just make it official and maybe they would all just go there. They could call it the United State of Nuckfuts and elect Sarah Palin as their queen, or whatever.

Now THAT is pure comedy gold!

OAW

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot 

This is why I say that science in no way precludes a creator.
The universe is about 15 billion years old. Evolution is reality. Plate tectonics are reality. The movement of stars and planets is really a result of orbits and gravitational forces, and a few other things. These things aren't really in dispute. And the beauty of these is that they function according to fairly simple rules, and that the creation of this ingenious simplicity resulting in such complexity is much more credit to a higher power than Biblical creation with all its inconsistencies, random crap, and complete contradictions.
A god who sets up a system running according to a few beautiful rules and sees how his creation deals with it seems so much more sensible than an autocratic and inconsistent control freak who plants fossils in the dirt just to **** with us, and then sends a hurricane to disrupt the GOP...? Do the planets orbit the sun, or are we still convinced that God is moving them across our heavens according to arcane and mysterious patterns, the mechanisms of which are beknown only to him?

Much to Samuel Jackson's chagrin, The remnants of Issac ended up over Charlotte and gave the DNC a good soaking. (The Mount Obama sand sculpture almost washed away from the rain)

[Waragainstsleep]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

Then what was there before that?

Tricky one. Mostly because before then there was no space or time. Or if there was, it was a different space-time. We used to think there was no way of knowing if there had been another universe before ours or not, but I believe some very minor inroads have been made down that path of thinking.

[subego]

Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep 

Tricky one. Mostly because before then there was no space or time.

Which are really the same thing anyway.

[Spheric Harlot]

Maybe there was just the Word of God.

Not being flippant. It's just that the science that explains creation leaves plenty of room for faith. It just makes the Creation all the more beautiful. IMO.

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep 

Tricky one. Mostly because before then there was no space or time. Or if there was, it was a different space-time. We used to think there was no way of knowing if there had been another universe before ours or not, but I believe some very minor inroads have been made down that path of thinking.

Originally Posted by subego 

Which are really the same thing anyway.

Does the universe violates the law of conservation of mass? (since "ex nihilo nihil fit")

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

Originally Posted by subego 

Which are really the same thing anyway.

Does the universe violates the law of conservation of mass? (since "ex nihilo nihil fit")

Where did he mention mass?

He mentioned space, and time.

Not mass, nor energy.

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

Could be older than 3.5 billion years. How old is the universe?

wrong!

only 6,000 years

YOU WILL BURN IN HELL!

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

wrong!
only 6,000 years
YOU WILL BURN IN HELL!

I'm Catholic, not a Sola Fide /Sola Scrpitura Proddy.

[subego]

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot 

Where did he mention mass?
He mentioned space, and time.
Not mass, nor energy.

I think what he's getting at is a reasonable line of questioning, and there isn't really an answer at the end. Certainly as of yet.

OTOH, the same line of questioning applies to God. Who made God and why?

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

I'm Catholic, not a Sola Fide /Sola Scrpitura Proddy.

i'm protestanti

YOU ARE GOING TO HELL

i will pray for you

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

i'm protestanti
YOU ARE GOING TO HELL
i will pray for you

I see my little talk helped you dig your cranium out of your ass. You're a beacon of hope and a credit to whoever your people are.

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

I see my little talk helped you dig your cranium out of your ass. You're a beacon of hope and a credit to whoever your people are.

we talked?

[subego]

@Chongo,

Any insight on who created God? Did he just spontaneously exist? Is he just eternal? Was he created? If so, by whom?

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

we talked?

Did you see me use the word "we"?

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by subego 

@Chongo,
Any insight on who created God? Did he just spontaneously exist? Is he just eternal? Was he created? If so, by whom?

God, as creator of time, is outside of time. Since therefore He has no beginning in time, He has always existed, so doesn't need a cause. ( the uncaused cause, the unmoved mover, etc)

[subego]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

Since therefore He has no beginning in time, He has always existed, so doesn't need a cause.

What would keep this from applying to a secular universe?

There are secular models for the universe being eternal. If it's always existed it doesn't need a cause either, no?

[lpkmckenna]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

( the uncaused cause, the unmoved mover, etc)

Aristotle is the worst thing to ever happen to Christianity.

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

Did you see me use the word "we"?

ah...ok

btw i was joking, i am not superstitious ...i just wanted to damn someone to hell