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mikkyo · Oct 26, 2002, 11:50 PM

Originally posted by SteevAK:

By the way, my G4 was in the shop for repairs (new RAM somehow blew the logicboard), but now it's back and crunching. I was offline for about 5 days.

It should pretty much be impossible for RAM to blow your motherboard.
RAM takes a small voltage 2.5-5V(some even less) and runs in a logic state. If you shorted out the V+ connector that gives power to the chips on a DIMM to the motherboard, it would pop the power supply (or fuse in it) if it did anything. If you short out the whole DIMM socket it is like confusing the CPU and the machine would just crash.
There shouldn't be enough current available to the DIMM socket to hurt anything up the chain, like the memory controller or the CPU as they all run at the same (or close to it) voltage.
Now if you had bad ram and crashed and left the machine in that state for days..

I've never seen anything to do with the RAM sockets actually damage the rest of the machine. I've seen DIMMs forced in backwards and the machine booted, SIMMs stuck in DIMM sockets, RAM installed while the machine was running, and a paper clip fall smack into the DIMM socket and make a spark when it shorted and power supply cut out.
If this is newer G4 with DDR it might be possible to have a goodly amount of current available to the RAM, but it still shouldn't be enough to blow anything. If that were the case then if your RAM went bad, you could ruin your machine and that would be shoddy design since RAM can go bad over time.
There must be some other factor that caused/contributed.

Scotttheking · 01:01 AM

Midnight 10-27

Code:
	Team 1	Team 2	Team 3
Total	854	781	250
yesterday	52	45	46

	Microns	chris v	SkiBikeSki
Total	310	207	157
Yesterday	16	10	8
	SteevAK	reader50	gumby5647
Total	52	34	21
Yesterday	6	3	2

BTW, special thanks to reader50 for not liking my spreadsheet and making a new one with all this new fancy data.

SteevAK · Oct 27, 2002, 03:12 AM

Originally posted by mikkyo:

It should pretty much be impossible for RAM to blow your motherboard.
. . .blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. . .
There must be some other factor that caused/contributed.

New RAM go in, things start going bad, service shop replaces logic board, everything fine.

It's all voodoo, I tell you.

Microns · Oct 27, 2002, 10:36 AM

Originally posted by SteevAK:

Yup, that's where I found it.

By the way, my G4 was in the shop for repairs (new RAM somehow blew the logicboard), but now it's back and crunching. I was offline for about 5 days.

Most excellent!

No better way to burn-in a new board than to have it crunch a few WU's for The Horde!

Microns · Oct 27, 2002, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by Scotttheking:
Midnight 10-27

Code:
Team 1 Team 2 Team 3 Total 854 781 250 yesterday 52 45 46 Microns chris v SkiBikeSki Total 310 207 157 Yesterday 16 10 8 SteevAK reader50 gumby5647 Total 52 34 21 Yesterday 6 3 2

BTW, special thanks to reader50 for not liking my spreadsheet and making a new one with all this new fancy data.

Thanks, reader50!

But, I think that there is an omission in your math. The Team 2 total is not the simple sum of the production of all the team members. What about our additional 10% production credit for contributing to the good karma (bad dogma?) of the universe by challenging ScotttheKing?

reader50 · Oct 27, 2002, 01:39 PM

Originally posted by Microns:
Thanks, reader50!

But, I think that there is an omission in your math.
...

There is an omission, but it's not in the math. The new spreadsheet gives data matrices for graphs. Both race totals and daily production, for Teams 1-3 and internal for The Horde.

Microns · Oct 27, 2002, 04:55 PM

Originally posted by reader50:
There is an omission, but it's not in the math. The new spreadsheet gives data matrices for graphs. Both race totals and daily production, for Teams 1-3 and internal for The Horde.

Graphs? Excellent!

Danometre · Oct 27, 2002, 05:44 PM

MacNN Fora ate my old login.

Is it too late to join The Horde?

Porsche and I right now have 2144 WUs and are averaging about 4 per day.

Scotttheking · Oct 27, 2002, 08:37 PM

Originally posted by Danometre:
MacNN Fora ate my old login.

Is it too late to join The Horde?

Porsche and I right now have 2144 WUs and are averaging about 4 per day.

Yes, I'd say it is

Now that SteevAK is back, we are pretty evenly matched, and I want to win

SteevAK · Oct 27, 2002, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by Scotttheking:

Yes, I'd say it is
Now that SteevAK is back, we are pretty evenly matched, and I want to win

Just for that I'm going to get my uber-l337 PC up and crunching. . .but first, homework.

reader50 · Oct 27, 2002, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by Danometer:
MacNN Fora ate my old login.

Is it too late to join The Horde?

Porsche and I right now have 2144 WUs and are averaging about 4 per day.

Sounds like a great idea.

Maybe I'll have to offer Scott some kind of new stats service or something...

Note, member login problems can be solved by the "email me my password" link, which appears after a failed Login.

If that fails, send an email with the details to [email protected]
Be sure to include the large personal check for faster service.

Scotttheking · Oct 28, 2002, 12:10 AM

11PM? 10-27 (did you easterners change time or something?)

Code:
		Team 1	Team 2	Team 3
race units	890	825	301
yesterday	36	44	51
		Microns	chris v	SkiBikeSki
race units	326	217	166
yesterday	16	10	9

		SteevAK	reader50	gumby5647
race units	58	35	23
yesterday	6	1	2

reader50 · Oct 28, 2002, 01:30 AM

What, no graphs? Hey, I want my AW6 graphs, StatsMiester Scott.

Scotttheking · Oct 28, 2002, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by reader50:
What, no graphs? Hey, I want my AW6 graphs, StatsMiester Scott.

The only graphs you are going to get are the ones in my math homework

SteevAK · Oct 28, 2002, 05:46 PM

Okay my PC is up and running w/ SETI. Now I'm contemplating setting up my G4 400 which is just sitting in a corner right now. . . (you better buy it quick Scott!)

I now have a MDD dual 1ghz and an AMD 800 Thunderbird crunching units.

reader50 · Oct 28, 2002, 07:10 PM

Originally posted by SteevAK:
... Now I'm contemplating setting up my G4 400 which is just sitting in a corner right now. . .

Go for it. I'm crunching with one G4 350, and have produced a tidy sum. If you had stayed offline for a few more days, I would have passed you.

unregistered · Oct 28, 2002, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by SteevAK:
Okay my PC is up and running w/ SETI. Now I'm contemplating setting up my G4 400 which is just sitting in a corner right now. . . (you better buy it quick Scott!)

I now have a MDD dual 1ghz and an AMD 800 Thunderbird crunching units.

I'm still broke. I have to buy new pants first.
Want to buy a few mobo/proc combos, and a couple printers?

Microns · Oct 28, 2002, 08:13 PM

Danometre, I think that you should join The Horde at once. This fairness to ScotttheKing thing is way overrated. The objective here was to win, not be fair.

SteevAK, pull that puppy out of the corner and fire it up!

More Power!

OneMacGuy · Oct 28, 2002, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by Microns:
Danometre, I think that you should join The Horde at once. This fairness to ScotttheKing thing is way overrated. The objective here was to win, not be fair.

SteevAK, pull that puppy out of the corner and fire it up!

More Power!

By all means! Let's all shoot for Scott! I added about 10 Ghz more tonight. Maybe I can do something yet, if Comcast can stay online. It had been off for hours when I got home. I need to get one of those programs that downloads a bunch of WU's and caches them locally.

BTW, what is up with the stats?

OneMacGuy · Oct 28, 2002, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by Unregistered:

I'm still broke. I have to buy new pants first.
Want to buy a few mobo/proc combos, and a couple printers?

If you are really interested in selling some mobo combos, email me at: [email protected]

I am always in the market for a good deal!

reader50 · Oct 28, 2002, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by Microns:
Danometre, I think that you should join The Horde at once. This fairness to ScotttheKing thing is way overrated. The objective here was to win, not be fair.

SteevAK, pull that puppy out of the corner and fire it up!

More Power!

Good point. Scott, how loud would the screaming get if Danometer got accidentally added to The Horde?

Originally posted by OneMacGuy:
...
BTW, what is up with the stats?

What do you mean, are the numbers messed up? I'm not seeing anything that looks wrong. The only thing that comes to mind is Avg per Day, which shows your avg since you joined the race. It would be nicer for it to be the avg for the previous 7 days, but I didn't have the time to set up anything that neat.

Scotttheking · Oct 28, 2002, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by reader50:
Good point. Scott, how loud would the screaming get if Danometer got accidentally added to The Horde?

Loud. Very loud.

OneMacGuy · Oct 28, 2002, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by reader50:
Good point. Scott, how loud would the screaming get if Danometer got accidentally added to The Horde?

What do you mean, are the numbers messed up? I'm not seeing anything that looks wrong. The only thing that comes to mind is Avg per Day, which shows your avg since you joined the race. It would be nicer for it to be the avg for the previous 7 days, but I didn't have the time to set up anything that neat.

I'm talking about the Team MacNN seti stats in general, not the race. The Team MacNN seti stats pages has not been updated in a couple of days.

reader50 · Oct 28, 2002, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by OneMacGuy:
I'm talking about the Team MacNN seti stats in general, not the race. The Team MacNN seti stats pages has not been updated in a couple of days.

oops.

All active stats are affected on team.macnn.com (except Competitions), but not the beta dFold stats on Scott's server at teamstats.macnn.com

Looks like I have some work to do tonight. Pity, I was making headway on the new stats code. Hopefully, it will not take too long to straighten the old stats out.

Scotttheking · Oct 31, 2002, 12:47 AM

11pm ET 10-29

Last 2 days

Code:
		Team 1	Team 2	Team 3
race units	982	908	406
yesterday		92	83	105


		Microns	chris v	SkiBikeSki
race units	360	236	182
yesterday		34	19	16

		SteevAK	reader50	gumby5647
race units	68	37	25
yesterday		10	2	2

11pm ET 10-30

Code:
		Team 1	Team 2	Team 3
race units	1029	951	454
yesterday		47	43	48

		Microns	chris v	SkiBikeSki
race units	377	246	190
yesterday		17	10	8

		SteevAK	reader50	gumby5647
race units	74	38	26
yesterday		6	1	1

OneMacGuy · Oct 31, 2002, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by Scotttheking:
11pm ET 10-29

Last 2 days

Code:
Team 1 Team 2 Team 3 race units 982 908 406 yesterday 92 83 105 Microns chris v SkiBikeSki race units 360 236 182 yesterday 34 19 16 SteevAK reader50 gumby5647 race units 68 37 25 yesterday 10 2 2

11pm ET 10-30

Code:
Team 1 Team 2 Team 3 race units 1029 951 454 yesterday 47 43 48 Microns chris v SkiBikeSki race units 377 246 190 yesterday 17 10 8 SteevAK reader50 gumby5647 race units 74 38 26 yesterday 6 1 1

You guys may want to check the Team stats page, it failed to update again today. I use that as a yardstick to see how I am moving up and what my weekly running average is.

Thanx!

reader50 · Oct 31, 2002, 12:56 PM

Look again. Note, I did not do anything. Current pages update every 15 minutes unless the project messess up, or any of several errors happen on the server (such as someone resetting folder permissions).

The race stats are pulled from the Current listings, so they are pretty reliable too. All other listings (Yesterday, Personals, etc) update once per day around 8-9 AM Pacific (Ubero updates around midnight Pacific). If the server happens to be busy right around that time (heavy page hits on MacNN.com for example) the stats run may not complete before several of the every-15-minute attempts. So I would not worry about them failing until the data is over 25 hours old.

Current listings should not get more than a half hour old unless there is a server or project problem.

Scotttheking · Nov 1, 2002, 09:53 PM

reader50, please pull stats, I'm going out until late and can't do it.

SkiBikeSki · Nov 2, 2002, 04:09 AM

I added 1GB of RAM to my G4, and it turned out to be CL2. Let's see if it helps my performance.

I mention more about the RAM in the PowerMac forum.

Scotttheking · Nov 3, 2002, 12:15 AM

11 pm ET 8-31

Code:
		Team 1	Team 2	Team 3
race units	1057	990	515
yesterday		28	39	61

		Microns	chris v	SkiBikeSki
Total WU		395	254	200
Yesterday		18	8	10

		SteevAK	reader50	gumby5647
Total WU		75	39	27
Yesterday		1	1	1

11 PM ET 11-01

Code:
		Team 1	Team 2	Team 3
race units	1105	1028	568
yesterday		48	38	53

		Microns	chris v	SkiBikeSki
Total WU		408	265	206
Yesterday		13	11	6

		SteevAK	reader50	gumby5647
Total WU		81	41	27
Yesterday		6	2	0

11PM ET 11-02

Code:
		Team 1	Team 2	Team 3
race units	1149	1069	620
yesterday		44	41	52
		
		Microns	chris v	SkiBikeSki
Total WU		423	276	213
Yesterday		15	11	7

		SteevAK	reader50	gumby5647
Total WU		87	42	28
Yesterday		6	1	1

Microns · Nov 3, 2002, 12:27 PM

68 WU's!!

ScotttheKing recorded 68WU's yesterday. This is becoming unsightly!

Perhaps all the folks at my place will take a week off between now and the 8th and I can dedicate the entire LAN to S@H 24/7.
Perhaps there will be a massive power failure in AZ and ScotttheKing will have to hurridly re-locate to NM.
Perhaps SKIBIKESKI's new memory and SteevAK's new main board will yet turn the tide.
Perhaps chris v and gumby5647 have a secret plan involving the worlds largest cluster of Mac SE/30's.
Does reader50 have a second SuperComputer?

Must Have More Power!

reader50 · Nov 3, 2002, 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Microns:
... Does reader50 have a second SuperComputer? ...

All things are possible. Check back tonight.

Scotttheking · Nov 3, 2002, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by Microns:
68 WU's!!

ScotttheKing recorded 68WU's yesterday. This is becoming unsightly!

Hmm, that's impossible. You must be looking at a 2 day result or something. The last time I checked I was down to home systems, and I can only do about 35WU/day at home.

reader50 · 02:06 PM

.

.
Race Stats as of late November 3

Code:
. . . . . .	Team 1	Team 2	Team 3	
race units	1191	1111	665	
yesterday .	42	40	43	
				
		'----- The Horde -----		
. . . . . .	Microns	chris v	S.B.S.	SteevAK
race units	439	287	219	93
yesterday .	15	11	6	6
				
. . . . . .	reader	gumby#	East N.	
race units	44	29	0	
yesterday .	1	1	0

Scott allowed me to add Danometer/Tigerabbit to The Horde. The price is I have to post the stats for the rest of the race.

The graphs will hopefully update each night, but they will remain posted in just the one place, unless we break into another page on the thread.

Microns, it doesn't show yet, but I do have a 2nd SuperComputer running as of yesterday.

Scott edit: fixed formatting

reader50 edit: fixed East Norman / gumby5647 position reversal. This also restored the perfect formatting, unlike certain other stats postings.

Microns · Nov 4, 2002, 09:16 AM

The graphs are outstanding, Most Cool!

Thanks!

chris v · Nov 4, 2002, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by Microns:
68 WU's!!

Perhaps chris v and gumby5647 have a secret plan involving the worlds largest cluster of Mac SE/30's.

(if I could cluster my Centris 610, Quadra 950 and Performa 630, don't think I wouldn't! I bet together, they could churn at least 1 W/U a week!)

CV

gumby5647 · Nov 4, 2002, 10:39 PM

*gasp*

They have found out!

ABORT!!! ABORT!!!

Scotttheking · Nov 4, 2002, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by chris v:

(if I could cluster my Centris 610, Quadra 950 and Performa 630, don't think I wouldn't! I bet together, they could churn at least 1 W/U a week!)

CV

I guess I need to setup my SE and my classic 2

reader50 · Nov 5, 2002, 01:58 AM

Race Stats as of late November 4

Code:
. . . . . .	Team 1	Team 2	Team 3	
race units	1199	1144	714	
yesterday .	8	33	49	
				
		'------- The Horde -------		
. . . . . .	Microns	chris v	S.B.S.	SteevAK
race units	457	295	222	93
yesterday .	18	8	3	0
				
. . . . . .	reader	gumby#	East N.	
race units	45	29	3	
yesterday .	1	0	3

The SetiQ did not dump tonight, so Scott's and SteevAK's production figures are both low. This should catch up tomorrow.

The Report
----------------
East Norman is moving up on the outside, and threaten to lap gumby5647.
Scott secretly works on his victory speech, being careful to thank everyone he has ever known.
Microns may have been spotted stuffing extra work units into the ballot box.
reader50 laments showing his friend backlight. It's killing the extra SuperComputer's production.

Otherwise, an uneventful night, with good clear crunching weather.

SkiBikeSki · Nov 5, 2002, 02:40 AM

The graphs are great! I was wonder how steady my production was, and now it obviously isn't. Muchas Gracias.

PorscheBunny · Nov 5, 2002, 06:46 AM

Dan said the 5260s weren't worth SETI, too small video cards and too slow CPUs (603e @ 75-120Mhz). The 5500/225 (~0.5 WU/d) is barely outrunning the 7100/80 (~0.4 WU/d).

It's too late to throw the 6290 in, it couldn't complete a workunit in time, although now we have the RAM to run it.

The 6290 and 5260s are currently designated for RC5-72 when it starts, unless "Winter Break" comes first, when we'll have a chance to fiddle with some PPC version of Linux.

FYI, Sub-team ENO should fire off 3 more workunits in the next 8 hours.

OneMacGuy · Nov 5, 2002, 08:53 AM

You guys wouldn't consider averaging my WU/D back to when the race started since I got started so late? I mean it would only be fair, I don't have a souped up, overclocked 7100 like Scott does!!!

BTW, those graphs are great! I especially like the one that shows that my per day average is on top! Now if we could just fix the totals!!!

SkiBikeSki · Nov 5, 2002, 01:23 PM

I think I can make a small sprint to the finish line. I think I can get 1 more 1.4Ghz Athlon, that'll boost my production to 12/day.

reader50 · 03:51 AM

Race Stats as of late November 5

Code:
. . . . . .	Team 1	Team 2	Team 3	
race units	1211	1182	754	
yesterday .	12	38	40	
weekly avg	32.7	38.8	49.4	
				
		'------- The Horde -------		
. . . . . .	Microns	chris v	S.B.S.	SteevAK
race units	473	303	226	93
yesterday .	16	8	4	0
weekly avg	16.1	9.4	6.1	3.5
				
. . . . . .	reader	gumby#	East N.	
race units	46	31	10	
yesterday .	1	2	7	
weekly avg	1.2	0.8	5

The Report
----------------
The SetiQ failed again tonight, SteevAK may want to switch off the proxy. Units that do not arrive before the end of the race do not count.

Courtesy of Scott's proxy problems, The Horde is gaining rapidly on Team1.

If anyone is interested, I have posted my race stats spreadsheet here for download. We do not normally post stats code, but what the heck. If anyone is interested, take a look.

edit: with the secret spreadsheet posted, I had to make a more advanced version. rolling weekly avg added for all participants. enjoy.

SteevAK · Nov 6, 2002, 06:11 AM

Okay, I'm switching off the proxy.

Scotttheking · Nov 6, 2002, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by reader50:

The SetiQ failed again tonight, SteevAK may want to switch off the proxy. Units that do not arrive before the end of the race do not count.

Courtesy of Scott's proxy problems, The Horde is gaining rapidly on Team1.

Don't post wrong info.

The proxy never failed. SETI is backed up now, and as a result the proxy is getting very few WU.
From the SETI news page

� November 5, 2002 �
We are currently experiencing network problems which are resulting in slow and broken connections. A fix is being worked on.

It looks like they fixed it now though.

reader50 · Nov 7, 2002, 01:49 AM

Race Stats as of late November 6

Code:
. . . . . .	Team 1	Team 2	Team 3	
race units	1323	1239	795	
yesterday .	112	57	41	
weekly avg	41.8	40.7	48.5	
				
		'------- The Horde -------		
. . . . . .	Microns	chris v	S.B.S.	SteevAK
race units	486	314	238	110
yesterday .	13	11	12	17
weekly avg	15.4	9.7	6.5	5.1
				
. . . . . .	reader	gumby#	East N.	
race units	48	31	12	
yesterday .	2	0	2	
weekly avg	1.4	0.7	4

The Report
----------------
The SetiQ caught up. I uh, suppose this is good ...

We are getting into the home stretch now. Those crunching on slower systems should start planning the final work units. If running dual clients on a single CPU box, you may want to quit one client after it finishes, on the last day, so full CPU goes to the remaining client in time to finish before the race cutoff.

Race cutoff is November 8, approx 8:30 PM Pacific, when the SETI ranks script finishes processing MacNN. I pull the race data from the ranks datafiles.

Scotttheking · Nov 8, 2002, 01:01 AM

System status: Powering down
Noise level: Approaching tolerable
Floor visibility: Increasing

Good race guys. I am retiring the bulk of my farm now. I still have 2 more machines to sell, for now, hopefully they'll be gone soon. It was fun.

reader50 · 02:11 AM

Race Stats as of late November 7

Code:
. . . . . .	Team 1	Team 2	Team 3	
race units	1366	1287	828	
yesterday .	43	48	33	
weekly avg	44.1	42.1	44.2	
				
		'------- The Horde -------		
. . . . . .	Microns	chris v	S.B.S.	SteevAK
race units	501	325	246	117
yesterday .	15	11	8	7
weekly avg	15.1	10	6.4	6
				
. . . . . .	reader	gumby#	East N.	
race units	49	32	17	
yesterday .	1	1	5	
weekly avg	1.4	0.7	4.2

The Report
----------------
Ok, now is the time to strike. Everyone can unload their 3-day's worth of production that they have cached. Such a pity that my cache seems to have wandered off...

If OneMacGuy unloads his 600-WU cache, we will all be in the sinker.

Reminder, the race cutoff is November 8, approx 8:30 PM Pacific. All units must be returned before then, or they will not count.

Microns · Nov 8, 2002, 04:32 PM

Excellent job members of The Horde!!!

We didn't win but at least we kept ScotttheKing on his toes for a few days!

Happy crunching where ever your DC cycles take you next.

As for me, I hear a BOINCing in the distince, some pulse detection algorythms calling me, and the sky above the southern hemisphere is beckoning...

Oops! And congratulations ScotttheKing! Well done!