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Eug · Nov 6, 2002, 09:44 AM

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/021106/sfw029_1.html

http://www.apple.com/powerbook/

SMacTech · Nov 6, 2002, 09:46 AM

I guess the rumor sites were wrong. I want one, and I want it now!

jhunt5247 · Nov 6, 2002, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by SMacTech:
I guess the rumor sites were wrong. I want one, and I want it now!

ON the phone NOW!! On Hold!! Holly **** man!

UnixMac · Nov 6, 2002, 09:50 AM

I am a believe in Rumor sites!!!! YES YES!!

Field Marshal Sean! Please Tell us, what's all new with this beast?

New MOBO? what else?

zilmer · Nov 6, 2002, 09:52 AM

oh f****n hell, this is sweet

dr. zoidberg · Nov 6, 2002, 09:52 AM

Radeon 9000!!!!!!!!!!! 32mb low-end and 64mb high-end!!!!

YAAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jhunt5247 · Nov 6, 2002, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by jhunt5247:

ON the phone NOW!! On Hold!! Holly **** man!

On the phone with live person, ordering NOW!!

nredman · Nov 6, 2002, 09:53 AM

wow...i like the update..too bad i am poor

if anyone wants to buy me one..feel free

TC · 10:20 AM

1GHz
64MB ATI 9000
512MB RAM
60GB Disk
DVD-R/CD-RW
Airport card included

867MHz
32MB ATI 9000
256MB RAM
40GB Disk
DVD-ROM/CD-RW

That puts a big gap between the 2 models.

Edited since I got ahead of myself on the DDR ram, it is the level 3 cache which uses DDR SDRAM.

Eug · Nov 6, 2002, 09:56 AM

OK, WTF? The Canadian website still has the TiBook 800.

However, the Canadian store does have the SuperDrive TiBook fortunately.

I was definitely considering the low end model, but now, the ONLY model to get is the 1 GHz TiBook. I wonder what the education discount is. (Retail CAD$4799).

joe_kr · Nov 6, 2002, 09:57 AM

Originally posted by SMacTech:
I guess the rumor sites were wrong. I want one, and I want it now!

What are you talking about?

I thought they were pretty dead on

Eug · Nov 6, 2002, 09:58 AM

Originally posted by TC:
1GHz
64MB ATI 9000
512MB DDR SDRAM
60GB Disk
DVD-R/CD-RW
Airport card included

867MHz
32MB ATI 9000
256MB DDR SDRAM
40GB Disk
DVD-ROM/CD-RW

That puts a big gap between the 2 models.

It's not DDR, which is fine by me, since that means I can use my PC133 512 MB stick that I have in my iBook.

scottiB · Nov 6, 2002, 09:58 AM

TC, I agree. The 1 GHZ machine is more than worth the $700 premium.

US higher ed cost is $2819.

Eug · Nov 6, 2002, 10:04 AM

The iBook got a minor change too.

800 MHz G3 at top end. ($1849 - good price)
700 MHz at low end. ($999) - great price)

jhunt5247 · Nov 6, 2002, 10:05 AM

Originally posted by jhunt5247:

On the phone with live person, ordering NOW!!

DONE!

1ghz powerbook
1gig memory
superdrive
3 applecare plan.

scottiB · Nov 6, 2002, 10:09 AM

Hooray for jhunt! Congrats, man.

Nothing like buying a new Mac.

iBorg · Nov 6, 2002, 10:10 AM

This is a wonderful, incredible update, and includes a tremendous price reduction, also! Buy a 1 Gig PB G4 with combo drive, for only $2799!!! And with Superdrive for $2999 - upgrade to a full Gig o' memory for only $40 more!! Radeon 9500 with 64 MB DDR!!! HOLY CRAP!!!

My orders going in this morning!

I've got one question: Apple's website states that the PB G4 Superdrive only writes DVD's at "1x" - doesn't the iMac's Superdrive write at "2x?" Anyone have any comparisons about the performance comparisons of this Superdrive vs. those in the newer iMacs and Towers?

DAMN, but this is a good morning!!!!!

iBorg

Eug · Nov 6, 2002, 10:14 AM

My university computer store says that they won't get the new educational pricing (just pricing, not even the actual units) until usually a week or two after it shows up on the Canadian website.

Dammit!

Actually, I would have still preferred a PowerBook with a smaller form factor, but this will have to do.

proux · Nov 6, 2002, 10:20 AM

Whao! What was the last time Apple blew us away with specs on a computer

TC · Nov 6, 2002, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by jhunt5247:

DONE!

1ghz powerbook
1gig memory
superdrive
3 applecare plan.

Don�t mean to p�ss on your parade, but do you have to wait 4 weeks for that?

jhunt5247 · Nov 6, 2002, 10:29 AM

Originally posted by TC:

Don�t mean to p�ss on your parade, but do you have to wait 4 weeks for that?

Yeah 3 or 4 weeks.. Damn I thought the 60g drive was 5200 RPM.. calling back apple to drop that down so I can get the IBM 40 GNX.. Didn't it use to be??

fibroptikl · Nov 6, 2002, 10:31 AM

Originally posted by TC:

Don�t mean to p�ss on your parade, but do you have to wait 4 weeks for that?

I would hope not.

But the new updated TiBook's and iBook's are driving me insane. I can't decide what to get, yet I have more than sufficient funds in my bank account.

CyberGreg · Nov 6, 2002, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by iBorg:
... I've got one question: Apple's website states that the PB G4 Superdrive only writes DVD's at "1x" - doesn't the iMac's Superdrive write at "2x?" Anyone have any comparisons about the performance comparisons of this Superdrive vs. those in the newer iMacs and Towers? [/B]

There's even more of a difference... with the Superdrive update iMac's can burn DVD-R at 4x and DVD-RW at 2x. Begs the question can you record a DVD-RW on the new TiBook?

Other than that looks pretty sweet!

cwasko · Nov 6, 2002, 10:34 AM

Originally posted by jhunt5247:

Yeah 3 or 4 weeks.. Damn I thought the 60g drive was 5200 RPM.. calling back apple to drop that down so I can get the IBM 40 GNX.. Didn't it use to be??

Yea, yesterday you could get the 5200. Today you get a much faster PB with a SuperDrive, but a slower HD. Oh well, you can't have everything

UnixMac · Nov 6, 2002, 10:39 AM

Does anyone have any info on other tech advances in this PB?

Sean was talking about variable bus/CPU speeds, and newer cooling system...did any of that make it to this incarnation?

Also, Will CompUSA get these about the same time as Apple? Or does Apple get them first out?

iBorg · Nov 6, 2002, 10:39 AM

Originally posted by CyberGreg:
with the Superdrive update iMac's can burn DVD-R at 4x and DVD-RW at 2x.

I read that, too - my iMac 800 is the original 15" G4 iMac - does the firmware update allow mine to do DVD-R at 4x also? (it only listed 2x at purchase last March.)

You raise a good question, though - 1x DVD-R burning would be very slow, indeed - is it worth the extra $100 cost? (the 1 Gig G4 sells for $200 more with Superdrive, but includes 60 Gig HD, which you can drop to the 40 Gig for $100 off.)

iBorg

YeLordWindsor · 01:16 AM

Originally posted by jhunt5247:

DONE!

1ghz powerbook
1gig memory
superdrive
3 applecare plan.

FANTASTIC!!!! This is awesome - this will be first Mac ever, and it'll be a killer machine. Here's the stats:

1ghz powerbook
1gb RAM
Radeon 9000 w/ 64VRAM
60MG Hard Drive
DVD-ROM/CD-RW

I almost included the superdrive, but in all honesty, I have no interest in burning DVD's (I also have no interest in burning CD's). It would have been a nice toy though.

What a great day!

jhunt5247 · Nov 6, 2002, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by YeLordWindsor:

FANTASTIC!!!! This is awesome - my will be first Mac ever, and it'll be a killer machine. Here's the stats:

1ghz powerbook
1gb RAM
Radeon 9000 w/ 64VRAM
60MG Hard Drive
DVD-ROM/CD-RW

I almost included the superdrive, but in all honesty, I have no interest in burning DVD's (I also have no interest in burning CD's). It would have been a nice toy though.

What a great day!

Congrats! Yeah this is my FIRST mac too! Damn I am still in shock.

Eug · Nov 6, 2002, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by CyberGreg:

There's even more of a difference... with the Superdrive update iMac's can burn DVD-R at 4x and DVD-RW at 2x. Begs the question can you record a DVD-RW on the new TiBook?

The iMac SuperDrive can only burn at 2X. The update allows it burn 4X media without frying itself. Furthermore, it will only burn at 1X on that 4X media.

As for TiBook DVD-RW burning, I'm 99% sure the answer is yes, since the Pioneer is the only one announced.

Actually I would have liked to have DVD-RAM support, that would have necessitated a Panasonic or something, and a laptop version hasn't been released yet.

jhunt5247 · Nov 6, 2002, 10:59 AM

Originally posted by YeLordWindsor:

FANTASTIC!!!! This is awesome - my will be first Mac ever, and it'll be a killer machine. Here's the stats:

1ghz powerbook
1gb RAM
Radeon 9000 w/ 64VRAM
60MG Hard Drive
DVD-ROM/CD-RW

I almost included the superdrive, but in all honesty, I have no interest in burning DVD's (I also have no interest in burning CD's). It would have been a nice toy though.

What a great day!

Did you include the Applecare? I wasn't, but the guy told me he would take off 50 dollars if I bought it now. Yeah I hear yeah about burning DVD's.. Not sure why I went with it, really. For the 188 in price, I was like.. what the hell.. and since Apple knocked off some on the price.. My total came out to be 3,403.35

CyberGreg · Nov 6, 2002, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by Eug:

The iMac SuperDrive can only burn at 2X. The update allows it burn 4X media without frying itself. Furthermore, it will only burn at 1X on that 4X media.

As for TiBook DVD-RW burning, I'm 99% sure the answer is yes, since the Pioneer is the only one announced.

Actually I would have liked to have DVD-RAM support, that would have necessitated a Panasonic or something, and a laptop version hasn't been released yet.

Cool... thanks for the correction....

I wonder how hot it will get burning a full DVD or perhaps creating the DVD. I can see a new market, instead of those keyboard / screen protectors someone will be selling a thin piece of Space Shuttle tile to remove the heat...

Brien · Nov 6, 2002, 11:15 AM

This would be the ULTIMATE birthday present.

Leia Shoots Like a Girl · Nov 6, 2002, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by UnixMac:
I am a believe in Rumor sites!!!! YES YES!!

You are?:

"There has been much speculation that at least the high-end models of both product lines might include a SuperDrive with DVD-RW/CD-RW capabilities. Let us put this issue to rest: There will be no Superdrive version(s) announced. Apple is facing no "difficulties" fitting the SuperDrive into a PowerBook enclosure, as many other sites have reported. Sources firmly report Apple never tried to accommodate tray-equipped drives into these laptops and that until a slot-loading SuperDrive is abundantly available, Apple laptops will not have SuperDrives. That is not to say Apple won't update the PowerBook design when SuperDrives are added. As sure as the sun rises everyday, a PowerBook re-design is a certainty next year."

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/nov5portables.html

cwasko · Nov 6, 2002, 11:23 AM

Originally posted by Leia Shoots Like a Girl:

You are?:

"There has been much speculation that at least the high-end models of both product lines might include a SuperDrive with DVD-RW/CD-RW capabilities. Let us put this issue to rest: There will be no Superdrive version(s) announced. Apple is facing no "difficulties" fitting the SuperDrive into a PowerBook enclosure, as many other sites have reported. Sources firmly report Apple never tried to accommodate tray-equipped drives into these laptops and that until a slot-loading SuperDrive is abundantly available, Apple laptops will not have SuperDrives. That is not to say Apple won't update the PowerBook design when SuperDrives are added. As sure as the sun rises everyday, a PowerBook re-design is a certainty next year."

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/nov5portables.html

LOL ROFLMAO hahahah heheheheh

I guess we should start to worry about tomorrow... the sun may not rise.

Those rumor sites suck big butt.

thirsty · Nov 6, 2002, 11:24 AM

To all the wowsers that bitch about what they want and never get in a powerbook - well this time you bloody well got it so shut up and go spend your money! Don't bitch to us here anymore. we've heard it all before.

This is just a fantastic upgrade PERFECT ! Well done.

I feel good knowing that if and when I want to upgrade what I need is there.

inquisito · Nov 6, 2002, 11:31 AM

I see that you in the US are having their double your RAM deal payed for by UK customers!

US: $40 to double your RAM.
UK: �293 to go from 256 - 512Mb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crucial will sell you 512Mb SODIMMs at �122 each including shipping and tax!
So (yet again) its much cheaper to sell those lousy 2x256ers and whack in some crucial ones!

Oh well, when they get properly fast and have bluetooth on, I might buy one! 1Ghz is not enough. Sorry guys, but in PC Land (where I'm from this sort of money (and indeed much less) buys you 2+Ghz with DDR RAM!

Don't start telling me how nice Powerbooks are, I already know. I am a proud ex owner of a 667 Rev A. But it really didn't cut the mustard.

I must say I am quite shocked at how great an upgrade this has been by apple standards! Radeon 9000 is right on the money! Superdrive - I thought some one said it was too big to fit in. Oh and the disinformation centre at apple must have been working hard on this one: Won't break Ghz barrier!

Its nice to see a product update that didn't totally disappoint, its just ashame there's no Jobsian announcement event for me to watch.

Keep on hopin'!

joe_kr · Nov 6, 2002, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by Leia Shoots Like a Girl:

You are?:

"There has been much speculation that at least the high-end models of both product lines might include a SuperDrive with DVD-RW/CD-RW capabilities. Let us put this issue to rest: There will be no Superdrive version(s) announced. Apple is facing no "difficulties" fitting the SuperDrive into a PowerBook enclosure, as many other sites have reported. Sources firmly report Apple never tried to accommodate tray-equipped drives into these laptops and that until a slot-loading SuperDrive is abundantly available, Apple laptops will not have SuperDrives. That is not to say Apple won't update the PowerBook design when SuperDrives are added. As sure as the sun rises everyday, a PowerBook re-design is a certainty next year."

http://www.thinksecret.com/news/nov5portables.html

http://www.MacRumors.com:

While ThinkSecret still maintains no Superdrive, we've received additional confirmation that Powerbooks with Superdrive will be released despite rumors to the contrary.

And also from their roundup:

So many rumors have been floating around about the expected laptop upgrades... here is a summary of what is likely in the near future. This information is based on circulating rumors as well as validation from sources:

Very Likely
Powerbook 800Mhz-1GHz with Superdrive
iBook G3 up to 800MHz

Probable
November 5th, 2002 Release Date

Possible
Bluetooth

Uncertain
13" iBook Screens
Radeon Mobility 9000

You just have to read a different site...

justinkim · Nov 6, 2002, 12:13 PM

Well, I've ordered mine. Seeing as this update has everything I wanted, I didn't have any excuse

. 1GHz/1GB RAM, but I left off the superdrive. The 3-4 week wait was too much!

jhunt5247 · Nov 6, 2002, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by justinkim:
Well, I've ordered mine. Seeing as this update has everything I wanted, I didn't have any excuse . 1GHz/1GB RAM, but I left off the superdrive. The 3-4 week wait was too much!

What? Really. **** I didn't realize this. I thought the 1ghz was a 3-4week wait w/out superdrive too. HMMMMM.. I might have to rethink this one!

Leia Shoots Like a Girl · Nov 6, 2002, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by joe_kr:
So many rumors have been floating around about the expected laptop upgrades... here is a summary of what is likely in the near future. This information is based on circulating rumors as well as validation from sources:

Very Likely
Powerbook 800Mhz-1GHz with Superdrive
iBook G3 up to 800MHz

Probable
November 5th, 2002 Release Date

Possible
Bluetooth

Uncertain
13" iBook Screens
Radeon Mobility 9000

You just have to read a different site...

So they got one logical guess of faster speeds right, and an unsure of the video card. Man are they good.

gorickey · Nov 6, 2002, 12:36 PM

Originally posted by Leia Shoots Like a Girl:

So they got one logical guess of faster speeds right, and an unsure of the video card. Man are they good.

They are rumor sites...enough said! If you are looking for 100% accurate information, it will not happen; however, 100% speculation will.

For every 10 rumor sites, I usually find 1 out of those to be even close in their information.

rm199 · Nov 6, 2002, 12:51 PM

certainly the lack of bluetooth is a little negative point about the whole thing... i'll still need that unsightly dongle

RM

mrchin · Nov 6, 2002, 01:04 PM

All the new iBooks and the Low end iBooks are in the stores. So if you want an 867 with 32MB 9000Pro, they're ready to go out the door. No Superdrives but hey, I've got one on my QS.

kluau88 · Nov 6, 2002, 01:12 PM

I finally get to replace this PC that replaced my Wallstreet that died during my trip to Hawaii. How I managed to be patient for 3 months is beyond me

Even a 800 Mhz for 2399 could budge me.

justinkim · Nov 6, 2002, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by jhunt5247:

What? Really. **** I didn't realize this. I thought the 1ghz was a 3-4week wait w/out superdrive too. HMMMMM.. I might have to rethink this one!

5-7 days on mine. And now for the obsessive and constant checking of my order status. I'll probably be a significant percentage of Apple's bandwidth fees this month.

icruise · Nov 6, 2002, 01:40 PM

Wow, Apple pleasantly surprises me for once. I got up at 2:30AM here in Japan, just to see if Apple had updated their site... Now if I only had some money!

tramahound · Nov 6, 2002, 01:46 PM

did they change the screen resolution on the powerbook?
i think the update is great, but i can't understand the lack of bluetooth being built in. surely they can find room for it...ah, maybe next revision. gotta love the superdrive option though. that sucka must get hot! my ti400 is a toasty little bugger without a superdrive and 600 extra mhz!

Eug · Nov 6, 2002, 01:51 PM

Am I the only one who couldn't care less about BlueTooth? (Then again, I still use an old 8 MB Visor Deluxe USB, and don't have BlueTooth on my phone. I'll be upgrading neither.)

IMO, the Radeon 9000 and the SuperDrive are MUCH more important upgrades. (I wonder how many that said they couldn't care less about the SuperDrive are going to get the SuperDrive PB.

)

At least with BlueTooth, you could get a little bitty dongle that could be plugged in. No such luck with the SuperDrive.

P.S. This update totally blows away my prediction, which was:

933 GHz G4
Radeon 9000
Combo Drive
BlueTooth
For about $3200.

rm199 · Nov 6, 2002, 01:53 PM

before i used laptops for business i figured syncing and bluetooth were bollocks. Now its mandatory. What is crazy is that Apple sold us a world of bluetooth in MWNY with all this nice software and yet they dont deliver it on their hardware. Other vendors with notebooks i wouldnt touch (since ive switched) have plenty of bluetooth support but no software.

Weird world this...

RM

Eug · Nov 6, 2002, 02:35 PM

I use my laptop for work, and syncing is VERY important.

However, I don't have a problem keeping in my briefcase a small light cable.

The lack of BluTooth is a pretty minor point in my view.