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Vi0 · Apr 28, 2003, 03:39 PM

too bad Apple won't allow you to turn off the metal in iTunes 4. And what's the deal with the OS 9-like window resizing?

Stradlater · Apr 28, 2003, 04:24 PM

iTunes 4 is still carbon.

intastella · Apr 28, 2003, 04:30 PM

iTunes does outline resizing on my iBook 500 but does live resizing on my G4. Probably some kind of gauge built in to figure out which to use.

And just because it is Carbon doesn't mean anything. iTunes is probably one of the best performing iApps BECAUSE it is Carbon.

Don

Stradlater · Apr 28, 2003, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by intastella:
And just because it is Carbon doesn't mean anything. iTunes is probably one of the best performing iApps BECAUSE it is Carbon.

did i say carbon was bad? no. and yes it does mean something: it means you can't turn off the metal appearance. i'm also not saying that i don't like metal, i'm fine with itunes's appearance. sheesh.

NetworkShadow · Apr 28, 2003, 07:25 PM

It doesn't run on OS 9 though does it? Why have it carbon if it's OS X only? I was wishing for skins too...

Synotic · Apr 28, 2003, 09:48 PM

Originally posted by NetworkShadow:
It doesn't run on OS 9 though does it? Why have it carbon if it's OS X only? I was wishing for skins too...

Making it Cocoa just makes it slower plus it takes time and resources. And it doesn't run in OS 9 (well at least iTunes 3 didn't)

SwarmyCurve · Apr 28, 2003, 09:51 PM

I could care less if its Carbon or Cocoa... I just know it runs better than any of the other iApps. Have you ever tried iMovie?

NetworkShadow · Apr 28, 2003, 10:15 PM

The window resize thing might be to save CPU usage?

mrtew · Apr 28, 2003, 11:16 PM

Originally posted by NetworkShadow:
The window resize thing might be to save CPU usage?

Maybe it has to do with QuartzExtreme. Both my TiGz and my roommate's Ti667 have live window resizing and they have QuartzExtreme.

dettociao · Apr 28, 2003, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by mrtew:
Maybe it has to do with QuartzExtreme. Both my TiGz and my roommate's Ti667 have live window resizing and they have QuartzExtreme.

As far as I know, it DOES. If you don't have QE then you don't get the live window resizing.

NetworkShadow · Apr 29, 2003, 12:21 AM

Ah.... I need a new Mac....

Dace · Apr 29, 2003, 01:54 AM

Originally posted by dettociao:
As far as I know, it DOES. If you don't have QE then you don't get the live window resizing.

I don't have QE and I get live resizing. And you don't need to get a new Mac NetworkShadow just a new graphics card.

Vi0 · Apr 29, 2003, 04:02 AM

Originally posted by Synotic:
Making it Cocoa just makes it slower plus it takes time and resources. And it doesn't run in OS 9 (well at least iTunes 3 didn't)

If this is your reasoning, then why have any application written in Cocoa? Why even have OS X? Why would Apple invent a slower and lesser programming language than the one they had previous to it? And OS 9 development is over. Why break the rules after you tell others to stop development.

invisibleX · Apr 29, 2003, 09:18 AM

Just hold down command while resizing and it'll do it live. If you try that you'll see its pretty slow, while brushed-cocoa apps are fast.

daftpig · Apr 29, 2003, 09:49 AM

Pardon me.. but i didn't feel a new thread was needed:

Is it just me or does anyone else think the widgets on iTunes4 suck?

Brien · Apr 29, 2003, 10:19 AM

I like iTunes 4... looks much better. Can't wait for iFix�3

andretan · Apr 29, 2003, 10:40 AM

Originally posted by invisibleX:
Just hold down command while resizing and it'll do it live. If you try that you'll see its pretty slow, while brushed-cocoa apps are fast.

Thanks for the tip!

daftpig · Apr 29, 2003, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by brien:
I like iTunes 4... looks much better. Can't wait for iFix�3

oh ok.. what does iFix do btw?

EDIT: it's ok... don't need to reply. I'll go do a search..

wigglywoo · Apr 29, 2003, 11:12 AM

iFix�2 will give QuickTime 6 and iTunes 3 the new iMovie 3 look. It also fixes various GUI elements that were outdated or bad looking.It also uses the new sunken titlebar buttons found in SmoothStripes/Aqua Extreme/Brushed.

daftpig · Apr 29, 2003, 11:53 AM

Originally posted by wigglywoo:
iFix�2 will give QuickTime 6 and iTunes 3 the new iMovie 3 look. It also fixes various GUI elements that were outdated or bad looking.It also uses the new sunken titlebar buttons found in SmoothStripes/Aqua Extreme/Brushed.

oh ok. thanks! (my google skills fail me...)

MartiNZ · Apr 29, 2003, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by invisibleX:
Just hold down command while resizing and it'll do it live. If you try that you'll see its pretty slow, while brushed-cocoa apps are fast.

Cool. It's nice to know that that's all it takes - there I was thinking that something else was lacking with my iBook 800 that was stopping it from being live. It's not even that slow, i.e. comparable to doing it in iCal here. Still odd that it sounds like some are getting it by default - not a G3 vs. G4 thing, is it

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ambush · Apr 29, 2003, 05:52 PM

Originally posted by Vi0:
If this is your reasoning, then why have any application written in Cocoa? Why even have OS X? Why would Apple invent a slower and lesser programming language than the one they had previous to it? And OS 9 development is over. Why break the rules after you tell others to stop development.

iTunes will never be ported to cocoa

oh and - the mp3/aiff/whatever format/ decoders are made with C++ and C (what I mean is that they don't use cocoa), most of the time, and they are the "part" of the app that handles most of the though work, so don't throw that "COCOA IS SLOWER" bullshit here.

I've seen mpg123-based Cocoa mp3 players that are twice as fast as iTunes.

NetworkShadow · Apr 29, 2003, 06:07 PM

Originally posted by Dace:
I don't have QE and I get live resizing. And you don't need to get a new Mac NetworkShadow just a new graphics card.

No I do, I've got an iMac G3 450MHz, and it's not too easy to put new graphics cards in them. Also the processor is feeling slow to me now. It's time for a G4 or IBM 970. ^^

If anyone can put a different background texture in iTunes I'b be happy. But no pinstripes ether!

Hi I'm Mike · Apr 29, 2003, 07:58 PM

iSkinner doesn't work anymore? I know I changed the look of my other iTunes

Hi I'm Mike · Apr 29, 2003, 08:00 PM

looks like you can change the look just like in the OS, through the rsrc file.
PICT 1024

King Bob On The Cob · May 1, 2003, 12:32 AM

Originally posted by Hi I'm Mike:
looks like you can change the look just like in the OS, through the rsrc file.
PICT 1024

Does it still suffer from the greyscale problem?

Hi I'm Mike · May 1, 2003, 12:36 AM

Originally posted by King Bob On The Cob:
Does it still suffer from the greyscale problem?

I dunno, I have had grescale problems before and I have just changed it to rgb and put it back in and it worked.

ShotgunEd · May 2, 2003, 04:22 AM

Originally posted by ambush:
I've seen mpg123-based Cocoa mp3 players that are twice as fast as iTunes.

Won't all the singing sound like the chipmunks then?