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jaiqua · Jan 8, 2004, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by benb:
Still? Got any recent, say within the past 20 years, cartoons, movies, or toys to back that up?

Have you ever seen any old westerns anyway? Most were not Cowboy vs. Indians.

Bad phrasing on my part. Just go back 30 years, 40, 50, 60, and so on; you'll find the stereotypical Native American being portrayed in movies, right up until the 70's.
The difference between the US, adn say other nations who massacred their indigenous population, is that the genocide happened in a completely different century, but the complete dehumanisation of the Indian was created well after the fact, in a new century. One of the strong blocks of the American film industry, was the portrayal of the Indians as the lesser people, it was so wide-spread that that view is still ingrained in many folks.

Imagine if the Germans were to start producing films, now, 50 odd years after the second worlds war, of Jews being gassed; how about the British doing the same. In fact, those nations pretty much stopped such portrayals after the realisation of the horror. Again, this is a nation that had enslaved the African American into a second class citizen well into the 60's.

P.s. Go into any toy shop, I'm sure you'll find many a cowboy and Indian figure set, all based on that same root that started last century.

historylme · Jan 8, 2004, 05:24 PM

I stopped reading this thread, but in keeping with unimformed American way of being, I will state for the record.....

I like Europe a lot more than the "freedoms" here in the States. Everything here is taboo and sexualised to the Nth degree.

Let's see some tits and not a make a big deal about it, let's say ****ing words on tv and not be so ****ing prudish.

I would moved to Europe if I could, not because it's better, but because it is not as restrictive as the U.S.

Espa�a seria bien, ou la france, pour dir que les etats uni c'est la vashe!

Zimphire · Jan 8, 2004, 09:45 PM

Originally posted by vcutag:
"In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up." -Martin Niemoller

That was lame.

Zimphire · Jan 8, 2004, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by jaiqua:
Yeah, but it only in America do they have a film and toy industry still glorifying a past genocide.

It glorifies past genocides?

That has to be some of the worst PC crap I have heard in a few months.

How long did it take you to be offended?

Down in milliseconds plz.

thnx

gerbnl · 10:39 PM

Originally posted by vcutag:
"In Germany they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up." -Martin Niemoller

GREAT quote! for those who don't know who Martin Niemoller was, click here.

ambush · Jan 8, 2004, 10:46 PM

Originally posted by Kilbey:
Most people who complain about The United States of American are mostly jealous of what we have. The freedoms and opportunities that are offer to us here. Simple jealousy.

Yeeeeesssshhh

Eriamjh · Jan 8, 2004, 10:50 PM

America might suck, but we are the better at it than anyone else!

U-S-A
U-S-A
U-S-A

ambush · Jan 8, 2004, 10:50 PM

USA...

the only country we're you'll...

see idiots sue their cableco because they're addicted to TV..

where you'll see dumbasses sue McDonald's because they sell food that's bad for health

where there are so many obese/fat people

where terrorism is a threath calculated with a colour system

have to pay big tax bucks for war

etc.

disectamac · Jan 9, 2004, 10:12 AM

Translated quote:

Originally posted by ambush:
USA...

the only country we're you'll...

Canadian News: see idiots sue their cableco because they're addicted to TV..

Canadian News: where you'll see dumbasses sue McDonald's because they sell food that's bad for health

Canadian News: where there are so many obese/fat people

Canadian News: where terrorism is a threath calculated with a colour system

Canadian News: have to pay big tax bucks for war

etc.

Like I said before.... media
Now I'd pick up a Canadian newspaper and watch a News network that reports on Canada all the time and pick out your flaws but I can't. Your country is not that populor as this one all around the world

Zimphire · Jan 9, 2004, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by ambush:
where there are so many obese/fat people

Actually Europe is catching up, and the US isn't the fatest nation.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

Sherwin · Jan 9, 2004, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Actually Europe is catching up, and the US isn't the fatest nation.

Zimph is partly correct here.

IIRC, New Zealand is the fattest nation.

"Europe" as a whole catching up isn't quite right. The UK and Germany are fast catching the US as blubber friendly countries but southern Europe isn't too bad.