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Ghoser777 · Feb 25, 2006, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

And said reason wont be "Bad teacher" it has to be something far worse.

Nope. If a teacher gets a poor evaluation (meaning they are a bad teacher), then usually they go into remediation. If they get another bad evaluation after that, then they most likely will be fired. At least that's how it works in my district.

It is, of course, hard to quantify "bad teacher". And it is possible for some teachers to only do their best work when they are being evaluated. But tenure has nothing to do with that problem.

The Godfather · Feb 25, 2006, 08:00 PM

Seems like the only way to buy is become a drug dealer
http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=287009

Kevin · Feb 25, 2006, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by Ghoser777

Nope. If a teacher gets a poor evaluation (meaning they are a bad teacher), then usually they go into remediation. If they get another bad evaluation after that, then they most likely will be fired. At least that's how it works in my district.

It is, of course, hard to quantify "bad teacher". And it is possible for some teachers to only do their best work when they are being evaluated. But tenure has nothing to do with that problem.

That might be how it works there, but not here. It's almost next to impossible to fire a Tenured teacher.

Ghoser777 · Feb 25, 2006, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

That might be how it works there, but not here. It's almost next to impossible to fire a Tenured teacher.

Where, the moon?

macroy · Feb 25, 2006, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Ghoser777

Where, the moon?

Just asked my wife... who's a tenured teacher here in MD. You get tenure after two years. After that, you're first assessment/evaluation is at year 5. And it is fairly hard to get fired as the union works in your favor. However, repeated bad performance will put you on the "black list". Basically, as they start planning for the new year's curriculum, you are most likey not going to get something you want (be it schedule or the class within your domain).

This puts the "failing" teacher in a bad situation where he/she cannot switch to a new school as references will reveal their lack of effort. What typically happens is that you either leave the system.. or you're basically given the crap section. Unfortunantly, those sections often deal with the students that need the most help.

Having said that - with this no child left behind initiative - teachers have to be "highly qualified" - meaning they must get professional education credits as well as pass certain Praxies. Failure to do so may result in the loss of certification. In her school system - that means you're out of a job.

Again - this is here in Montgomery County, MD.

However, regardless of how much money or how good the teachers are in your system, it will not be successfull if the community (parents, etc.) do not support it. Seeing some of the way parents act and react in school... I'm not suprised that the education system is suffering.

besson3c · Feb 25, 2006, 09:58 PM

It's all fine and dandy to point our fingers towards teachers, and we should demand the best from our teachers. We need great teachers, there is no questioning that.

However, we can't short-change the fact that the problem also lies with apathetic students and disconnected parents too.

Kevin · Feb 25, 2006, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

It's all fine and dandy to point our fingers towards teachers, and we should demand the best from our teachers. We need great teachers, there is no questioning that.

However, we can't short-change the fact that the problem also lies with apathetic students and disconnected parents too.

I agree 100%.

Too many parents are clueless as to their kids daily school lives.

If the kid is getting bad grades, I blame the parent just as much.

If I brought home anything below a C ever, I would be grounded for a long time, and believe me, those few times it happened was pure hell.

The Godfather · Feb 25, 2006, 11:18 PM

In 365 days from today, we'll be whining that illegal immigrants are stealing our teaching jobs.

Kevin · Feb 25, 2006, 11:25 PM

They would have to learn to speak English first.

JoshuaZ · Feb 26, 2006, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by The Godfather

In 365 days from today, we'll be whining that illegal immigrants are stealing our teaching jobs.

Just move to South Dakota. The lowest cost of living in the US.

No. Seriously. Plus no income tax on the state level.

wdlove · Feb 26, 2006, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin

They would have to learn to speak English first.

That may not necessarily be true. There are some that are teaching in the Boston area and can't pass a simple English test. The Union keeps fighting for them.

Ghoser777 · Feb 26, 2006, 09:47 PM

How did they get hired and obtain tenure?

Ghoser777 · Feb 26, 2006, 09:47 PM

Oh, and in Illinois you need four years for tenure. I'm on year 3... so we'll see if I can make it.

Cody Dawg · Feb 27, 2006, 12:11 AM

Oh, and in Illinois you need four years for tenure.

Then it should be called fourure and not tenure.

greenamp · Feb 27, 2006, 12:19 AM

Tenure is 3 yrs in TN, but I don't think it carries over from county to county here. Does it typically in other states?

Fyre4ce · Feb 27, 2006, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

You're right, the prices are much more reasonable on the moon.

Nah! Real estate is dirt cheap! (The commute is a b****, though...)

macroy · Feb 27, 2006, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by greenamp

Tenure is 3 yrs in TN, but I don't think it carries over from county to county here. Does it typically in other states?

Don't think so. Only your credentials carry over.

However, if you go to a different state, the credentials may not even carry over. I remember we were looking to move out west (Az or Ca)... and since there was no reciprocity, my wife's credentials from MD would not have carried over (meaning she would have to obtain a new certification, retake Praxies etc).