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IceEnclosure · Nov 17, 2006, 11:25 AM

This is at UCLA. Apparently he didn't have his student I.D., and the cops were trying to escort him out. While he may have acted slightly childish initially, getting tazed a few times seemed pretty cruel.

What happened to grabbing the guy and carrying his ass outta there? Now they gotta taze you every 20 feet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3GstYOIc0I

Dakar² · Nov 17, 2006, 11:27 AM

Yeah, I heard about this. I'm sure this about to get divided over political lines.

goMac · Nov 17, 2006, 11:34 AM

What was with the cop at he end?

"Get over there or else you're going to get tazed too."

I wasn't going to side against the cops at first because we didn't know the background, but the end convinced me the cops were a little tazer crazy.

G4ME · Nov 17, 2006, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by IceEnclosure

What happened to grabbing the guy and carrying his ass outta there? Now they gotta taze you every 20 feet?

agreed, he was clearly wasn't opposing the cops anyway, if he started to attack then I would see they would have the right to hit him again, but just sitting there, any 1 cop worth his salary should be able to handle a person and remove him from the building with out creating a mob mentality.

supprised the cops didn't get a smack down from the kids instead they all actd like sheep.

I def want to know what the repercusions are for the renta cops held responsible.

dcmacdaddy · Nov 17, 2006, 11:59 AM

Originally Posted by IceEnclosure

What happened to grabbing the guy and carrying his ass outta there? Now they gotta taze you every 20 feet?

Did you see the size of the one cop who was dragging out the guy? He was huge. He could have picked up the guy and thrown him over his shoulder instead of doing the crazy tazing shite.

Figures this had to happen in LA; Is every cop out there an abusive tool? Seriously . . . WTF?!?

turtle777 · Nov 17, 2006, 12:05 PM

Only in Amaraca.

Seriously, WTF ? Are we living in a police state ?

Uhm, oh, yes, I forgot. We are.

-t

Dakar² · Nov 17, 2006, 12:13 PM

Do many of you find this video to be... shocking?

Rumor · Nov 17, 2006, 12:19 PM

Completely uncalled for.

Perhaps it has something to do with his heritage?

natnabour · Nov 17, 2006, 12:26 PM

Here is the link to the story:
Community responds to Taser use in Powell

I found the video to be so disturbing - I won't deny that I sat for about 5 minutes & cried my eyes out. What the **** is wrong with people? Seriously. If this is the way UCPD treats people in public, what happens behind closed doors?!?!?!?!!? It makes me VERY angy that something like this occurred in a place where too many of my close friends spent late nights studying.

I really hope this guy causes the biggest riot known to man kind. There are too many eye witnesses to testify that these officers were clearly abusing their power. ****ers.

Jawbone54 · Nov 17, 2006, 12:42 PM

The tazer was too far, I agree, but I don't understand something. Why didn't the idiot freaking cooperate with the guys? Just stand up, and go along with them. Get the matter cleared up, and go about your business. They went too far with the tazer, but the student was dumb as a rock for not cooperating.

Side note: why do campus police officers have tazers?

Rumor · Nov 17, 2006, 12:45 PM

Read the article. He was on his way out of the building when the officers arrived. Instead of following him out of the building, one of them grabbed his arm.

They are also trying to say he was attempting to gather other students to join his resistance. Which eyewitness reports and the video proves is false.

G4ME · Nov 17, 2006, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

Side note: why do campus police officers have tazers?

its cali

Jawbone54 · Nov 17, 2006, 12:48 PM

A random check for student IDs? Are they having a problem with people breaking into the UCLA library to read books illegally? I got to a fairly large university, and I've never heard of random student ID checks. I read that it's just after 11:00, but it's still kind of weird to me for some reason.

Rumor · Nov 17, 2006, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by natnabour

I really hope this guy causes the biggest riot known to man kind. There are too many eye witnesses to testify that these officers were clearly abusing their power. ****ers.

A riot would solve nothing.

Dakar² · Nov 17, 2006, 12:49 PM

Judging from the guys name, I have a bad feeling this is going to be spun into a case of racial profiling.

Gossamer · Nov 17, 2006, 12:50 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

The tazer was too far, I agree, but I don't understand something. Why didn't the idiot freaking cooperate with the guys? Just stand up, and go along with them. Get the matter cleared up, and go about your business. They went too far with the tazer, but the student was dumb as a rock for not cooperating.

Side note: why do campus police officers have tazers?

Imagine what the video would have looked like with handguns.

Jawbone54 · Nov 17, 2006, 12:50 PM

But according to a study published in the Lancet Medical Journal in 2001, a charge of three to five seconds can result in immobilization for five to 15 minutes, which would mean that Tabatabainejad could have been physically unable to stand when the officers demanded that he do so.

That might answer some questions I had.

G4ME · Nov 17, 2006, 12:53 PM

I am really curious to see how this plays, if the media gets a hold of it, which they will, it is going to get interesting

I remember hearing about the other ossifer who was taped punching a man in the head a few weeks ago.

Youtube is getting quite a bit of press from this

Jawbone54 · Nov 17, 2006, 12:54 PM

Even after reading all of that, it still seems like Tabatabainejad was causing way too much of a fuss at the beginning. This thing blew way out of proportion and the officers went over the line because he turned into an absolute moron when an officer grabbed his arm to escort him out.

And what's the deal with him screaming on and on about the Patriot Act?

iREZ · Nov 17, 2006, 12:54 PM

flabbergasted

i cant believe that many cops couldnt get one kid out of a library with out abusing him. ok i get it, you need a ucla id card after 11pm if youre in the library...but to taser somebody for not having that id card, WHILE hes handcuffed, is absurd. i know that ucla students carry their stupid 'bruin card' EVERYWHERE they go, but people make mistakes and can forget them sometimes...there has to be a second way to check the id of a student IMHO.

smacintush · Nov 17, 2006, 01:08 PM

Hmmm…a loud and unruly person refuses to identify himself and cooperate and he gets tazed. He STILL resists and he gets it again. STILL he resists…um who's the moron here?

The "cops" were perfectly justified IMO. They have a right and duty to act to protect themselves and others in dealing with an unknown person in an unpredictable situation.

Flame on.

Jawbone54 · Nov 17, 2006, 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by smacintush

Hmmm…a loud and unruly person refuses to identify himself and cooperate and he gets tazed. He STILL resists and he gets it again. STILL he resists…um who's the moron here?

The "cops" were perfectly justified IMO. They have a right and duty to act to protect themselves and others in dealing with an unknown person in an unpredictable situation.

Flame on.

Bravo. His lack of cooperation is going completely ignored. People (especially college studnets) just look for an excuse to lash out against anyone in authority.

Macfreak7 · Nov 17, 2006, 01:12 PM

That's definitely disturbing. The cops were acting like children! I mean if "stand up!" x1000 wasn't working, didn't they have the common sense to try another approach (other than the tazer)? Uh.. guess not!

Secondly, I'm surprised the students didn't start something. Makes me wonder, isn't there ANY higher authority in such a case to prevent the cops from being so damn abusive?

smacintush · Nov 17, 2006, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Macfreak7

That's definitely disturbing. The cops were acting like children! I mean if "stand up!" x1000 wasn't working, didn't they have the common sense to try another approach (other than the tazer)? Uh.. guess not!

Secondly, I'm surprised the students didn't start something. Makes me wonder, isn't there ANY higher authority in such a case to prevent the cops from being so damn abusive?

The point is that they weren't being abusive at all. Number one, as you pointed out they gave him a zillion chances to stand the f*ck up and walk out. He wouldn't.

Number two, they used the tool they were given to subdue someone WITHOUT resorting to abusive means.

Chuckit · Nov 17, 2006, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by smacintush

Hmmm…a loud and unruly person refuses to identify himself and cooperate and he gets tazed. He STILL resists and he gets it again. STILL he resists…um who's the moron here?

The "cops" were perfectly justified IMO. They have a right and duty to act to protect themselves and others in dealing with an unknown person in an unpredictable situation.

Flame on.

Are you joking? He was loud and unruly because they shot him. And then, after they shot him with a weapon whose intent is to cripple, they bitch about how he's not standing up. So they shoot him again. And then, when other people question their actions (in neither a loud nor unruly manner), they threaten to taze those people too. This is below "He fell down the stairs."

Rumor · Nov 17, 2006, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by smacintush

The point is that they weren't being abusive at all. Number one, as you pointed out they gave him a zillion chances to stand the f*ck up and walk out. He wouldn't.

They were telling him to stand up after he fell to the ground from being tazed.

G4ME · Nov 17, 2006, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by smacintush

Number two, they used the tool they were given to subdue someone WITHOUT resorting to abusive means.

how is being incapacitated by a divice not abusive?

granted, the guy should have left instead of screaming about the patriot act before making a scene

turtle777 · Nov 17, 2006, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by Rumor

They were telling him to stand up after he fell to the ground from being tazed.

Stop bitching. He had his chance, he ignored it on purpose.
[/sarcasm]
-t

Jawbone54 · Nov 17, 2006, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Are you joking? He was loud and unruly because they shot him. And then, after they shot him with a weapon whose intent is to cripple, they bitch about how he's not standing up. So they shoot him again. And then, when other people question their actions (in neither a loud nor unruly manner), they threaten to taze those people too. This is below "He fell down the stairs."

You evidently weren't paying attention at the beginning. He was loud and unruly BEFORE they tazed him! He started screaming and calling them "****ing pigs" because they grabbed his arm and tried to escort him out. The cops were called into the library because he wasn't leaving after the people who checked for ID cards asked him to. He caused a huge scene long before the taser.

Rumor · Nov 17, 2006, 01:27 PM

According to a UCPD press release, Tabatabainejad went limp and refused to exit as the officers attempted to escort him out. The release also stated Tabatabainejad "encouraged library patrons to join his resistance." At this point, the officers "deemed it necessary to use the Taser in a "drive stun' capacity."

"He wasn't cooperative; he wouldn't identify himself. He resisted the officers," Young said.

Tabatabainejad was walking with his backpack toward the door when he was approached by two UCPD officers, one of whom grabbed the student's arm. In response, Tabatabainejad yelled at the officers to "get off me." Following this demand, Tabatabainejad was stunned with a Taser.

He was on his way out when security arrived.

As a bouncer for the last three years, rule #1 is Do not touch someone unless absolutely necessary.

To walk in a grab someones arm would be considered violent provocation. Easiest way to make a small problem a large one.

They should have just followed him out of the building.

Jawbone54 · Nov 17, 2006, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Rumor

They were telling him to stand up after he fell to the ground from being tazed.

Thought about this...

He could've told them, "I can't stand up!" instead of screaming about the Patriot Act. Hopefully he was researching the Patriot Act and had it on his brain, because for him to start screaming about it that quickly is kind of odd.

If I can't stand up, and people are yelling at me to stand up, then I'm going to let them know, "Hey, I'll stand up as soon as I can, but for right now, stop yelling." Instead he kept on screaming and swearing.

Jawbone54 · Nov 17, 2006, 01:28 PM

Originally Posted by Rumor

He was on his way out when security arrived.

As a bouncer for the last three years, rule #1 is Do not touch someone unless absolutely necessary.

To walk in a grab someones arm would be considered violent provocation. Easiest way to make a small problem a large one.

They should have just followed him out of the building.

You're a bouncer?

Chuckit · Nov 17, 2006, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

Thought about this...

He could've told them, "I can't stand up!" instead of screaming about the Patriot Act. Hopefully he was researching the Patriot Act and had it on his brain, because for him to start screaming about it that quickly is kind of odd.

If I can't stand up, and people are yelling at me to stand up, then I'm going to let them know, "Hey, I'll stand up as soon as I can, but for right now, stop yelling." Instead he kept on screaming and swearing.

OK. That still doesn't justify violence. If a husband took the same measures in response to the same actions from his wife, there's no question what a judge would say — shooting somebody who is merely berating you is escalation, pure and simple.

Just from every account I've heard of this, it sounds like the officers escalated it every time. They took a guy walking out of a building and turned it into a situation where they were threatening to taze innocent bystanders.

Rumor · Nov 17, 2006, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

You're a bouncer?

Yep.

Jawbone54 · Nov 17, 2006, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by Rumor

Yep.

Do you really get twenties and hundreds slipped to you to gain entry?

kick52 · Nov 17, 2006, 01:35 PM

that seemed pretty mean tazing him so much..

EDIT: w00t!!! 1,200th post! 1/5 of the way from 1000 to 2000

Gossamer · Nov 17, 2006, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

OK. That still doesn't justify violence. If a husband took the same measures in response to the same actions from his wife, there's no question what a judge would say — shooting somebody who is merely berating you is escalation, pure and simple.

There's a difference between doing what your spouse says and breaking the law. I don't think either side is innocent.

turtle777 · Nov 17, 2006, 01:37 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

Do you really get twenties and hundreds slipped to you to gain entry?

I guess this depends what kind of establishment he is working for.

-t

Jawbone54 · Nov 17, 2006, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

OK. That still doesn't justify violence. If a husband took the same measures in response to the same actions from his wife, there's no question what a judge would say — shooting somebody who is merely berating you is escalation, pure and simple.

Beating a woman is unacceptable in any circumstance, and we both know that.

Not to mention he was probably (we can't see it) doing a lot more than just berating the cops. We don't see in the video what else he was doing. If they tazed him for simply screaming at them, then that's excessive force. If they tazed him because he was pushing them or something, while screaming and causing a huge commotion, then perhaps he deserved a bit of a shock. And if he WAS being physically aggressive, do you think any of these UCLA students would mention it in a report? Of course not...they're UCLA students.

Rumor · Nov 17, 2006, 01:38 PM

I've been offered bribes to let underage people in but that goes against my ethics.

Jawbone54 · Nov 17, 2006, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by what_the_heck

I guess this depends what kind of establishment he is working for.

-t

I kind of like the idea of Rumor working as a bouncer at a mafia-owned establishment. Rumor whacks people.

chris v · Nov 17, 2006, 01:40 PM

"Drop your weapon & raise your hands above your head. You have 30 seconds to comply."

*drops weapon*

"You have 25 seconds to comply."

Rumor · Nov 17, 2006, 01:41 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

I kind of like the idea of Rumor working as a bouncer at a mafia-owned establishment. Rumor whacks people.

Show me your ID!!!

Jawbone54 · Nov 17, 2006, 01:43 PM

Gossamer · Nov 17, 2006, 01:44 PM

Cops: Stand up
Student: **** off

He asked for it.

Chuckit · Nov 17, 2006, 01:44 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

Not to mention he was probably (we can't see it) doing a lot more than just berating the cops. We don't see in the video what else he was doing. If they tazed him for simply screaming at them, then that's excessive force. If they tazed him because he was pushing them or something, while screaming and causing a huge commotion, then perhaps he deserved a bit of a shock. And if he WAS being physically aggressive, do you think any of these UCLA students would mention it in a report? Of course not...they're UCLA students.

Librarians? Not even one person who maybe has a brother on the force would be inclined to feel for cops who were being attacked?

Anyway, the fact that they shot him again for being incapacitated and then threatened to shoot a girl who was rationally asking for their badge numbers speaks volumes about how reasonable these cops are.

Rumor · Nov 17, 2006, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

Cops: Stand up
Student: **** off

He asked for it.

Let me taze you then ask you to stand up.

What are you going to say?

Jawbone54 · Nov 17, 2006, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

Cops: Stand up
Student: **** off

He asked for it.

If not for that blasted Patriot Act...

*shakes head*

This is Bush's fault.

Atheist · Nov 17, 2006, 01:47 PM

If you give police officers a non-lethal weapon. They will use it. I don't think anyone can question that. The issue is that in many situations, they will probably use it when they don't need to. What did cops do BEFORE they had tazers. I would wager they could have diffused the situation without the use of the tazer. That said, I think the guy was an ass. He was asking for trouble, all he had to do was cooperate. But he chose the Path of Stupidity. I think this is just a case of bad judgement on both sides.

smacintush · Nov 17, 2006, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Rumor

He was on his way out when security arrived.

As a bouncer for the last three years, rule #1 is Do not touch someone unless absolutely necessary.

To walk in a grab someones arm would be considered violent provocation. Easiest way to make a small problem a large one.

They should have just followed him out of the building.

Well, when they have a video of a guy being tazed by bouncers your point will be relevant.

How about: first rule when dealing with the authorities is cooperate and speak respectfully so their are no "misunderstandings".

They weren't over the line in taking his arm on the way out. (the word "grabbing" is too suggestive and speculative. We don't really if he was "grabbed" roughly or not)