[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Gossamer 

I haven't see someone nurse a thread this much since Marden.

I learned from the master. I'm an awesome nurse.

[Jawbone54]

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ 

Whoa, did we just go political?

Well, yeah!

You're surprised?

[Dakarʒ]

Originally Posted by Jawbone54 

You're surprised?

That's an interesting point.

[besson3c]

How many more pages will we need to catch up to David Bowie and Anna Benson?

[Jawbone54]

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ 

That's an interesting point.

I think that your interesting point comment is socialistic liberal rhetoric.

I disagree!

[Dakarʒ]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

How many more pages will we need to catch up to David Bowie and Anna Benson?

Way more. Of course, your points are more boring than controversial.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ 

Way more. Of course, your points are more boring than controversial.

Well, perhaps I'll try racheting up the sex and violence a little bit, if only I can find a way to slip this in. Some person, Confuscus I think, said that sex and violence is the ingredient for excitement. I'm taking my pants off right now.

Actually, Marden was never terribly graceful about slipping in stuff like this, maybe that was his secret!


I don't think I'll ever be a Marden though, because I'm only trying to make my points understood and perhaps respected, but I don't intend to labor over them. Besides, they are missing the proper injection of flat-out crazy to begin with.

I miss him.

[Dakarʒ]

The root of marden's success laid in the fact that he took such a ridiculous position that you had to parse through the ridiculous logic that backed it up, and that could take a while.

[Evoken]

Originally Posted by Jawbone54 

I used the GIMP for about 2 minutes before I trashed it.

Me too. I did the same with Pixel32. I have been using Photoshop since version 3 and everytime I have tried to use another image editor (PhotoPaint, PaintShop Pro, xRex, etc) I have found myself coming back to it. Same has happened with Illustrator(CorelDRAW, Freehand) and InDesign (Quark).

The Adobe pond is just to warm and beautful to leave

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ 

The root of marden's success laid in the fact that he took such a ridiculous position that you had to parse through the ridiculous logic that backed it up, and that could take a while.

Much of that involving being afraid of some imagined threat of his, and being assured that the answer rested in the Republican party.

I liked how every thread of his pretty much was a thinly veiled thread about the dangers of Islamic radicalism, as if there were people that would claim that this threat is flat out non-existent. It didn't matter whether the thread was on the surface about David Bowie or Anna Benson, it always seemed to come back to our complacency, and how our very existences are being threatened... He wanted us to see the light so badly

[Gossamer]

I liked how every thread of his pretty much was a thinly veiled thread about the wonders of *nix, as if there were people that would claim that this wonderfulness is flat out non-existent. It didn't matter whether the thread was on the surface about David Bowie or Anna Benson, it always seemed to come back to our complacency, and how our very existences are being threatened... He wanted us to see the light so badly

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Gossamer 

I liked how every thread of his pretty much was a thinly veiled thread about the wonders of *nix, as if there were people that would claim that this wonderfulness is flat out non-existent. It didn't matter whether the thread was on the surface about David Bowie or Anna Benson, it always seemed to come back to our complacency, and how our very existences are being threatened... He wanted us to see the light so badly

Well, that might be true if it weren't for my threads about Patrick Swayze, Steve Guttenberg, jazz, Police Academy, and all of my other brilliant threads which are plentiful in supply.

Just face it Gossamer, you love me.

[ryaxnb]

Originally Posted by anonymac 

More smoke and mirrors from Macintosh fanatics to try to downplay Vista's ease of use, much better GUI, and many more features over XP.

OS X of course doesn't have this problem with upgrades because Apple just completely drops support for anything but their current OS. While there was some outrage when Apple first started doing this, they have now lined up like sheep to buy the latest OS.

http://www.businessinnovationinsider...6/02/Troll.jpg

[ryaxnb]

Originally Posted by Aron Peterson 

After my experience with it yesterday I'll take Windows 95 or Mac OS 7.5.5 over it any day.

Uh-huh.

The truth is Ubuntu 6.10 is a very nice OS if your computer is compatible. I've tried it on two PCs of mine and it's a kickass OS as Steve would say. I use it on my personal computer (being 13, I usually use the family computers, which are Mac and XP,) a Pentium III 750/256MB/40GB box, and It works really well. I love it and it's easy!
Macs are still better though.

[ryaxnb]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Whatever guys. There are only a small handful of open source content creation tools. We all know that Adobe and Apple own this arena, the developers of the Gimp would be the first to admit this. It does not make Gimp worthless for those who want to resize and do very basic image manipulations, say for the web. I would gladly use the Gimp or GimpShop for this purpose rather than shelling out money for something like Photoshop, which would be pure overkill. I also grow sick of having to pay $20-50 for little shareware titles that come and go to do mundane tasks.

Different tools for different jobs.

As far as your generalizations about the quality of free products, you guys seem very content creation centric. This is fine, but you also need to realize that entire network infrastructure, and vital server technology is built around open source software. Key transactions and network based communication is based around open source protocols, which are very important, as well as many key data formats.

In many areas, these open source products and protocols are superior to their commercial counterparts. The fact that there are commercial counterparts does not give them a leg up. Software is either good or bad. With open source, it is obviously a mixed bag like anything else, but in particular areas open source software dominates and works behind the scenes making many things many may take for granted happen.

For our purposes, as a second machine, Linux is fine. The GIMP can do all I need it to and Photoshop 7 can do everything else (if you needed it to).

[TheMosco]

So I got Vista business from my university for 10 bucks (and office 2007 for another 10). I installed it on bootcamp on my macbook and I am thinking I might go back to XP.

Its annoying that installing anything is a chore. It keeps asking me if I want to allow things to run, even if I already have before. I am not sure I like the theme either.

One thing I do like, the application switcher is slick.

[driven]

Originally Posted by TheMosco 

So I got Vista business from my university for 10 bucks (and office 2007 for another 10). I installed it on bootcamp on my macbook and I am thinking I might go back to XP.

Its annoying that installing anything is a chore. It keeps asking me if I want to allow things to run, even if I already have before. I am not sure I like the theme either.

One thing I do like, the application switcher is slick.

I get both products (Office 2007 & Windows Vista) for free as part of my job. In both cases I rolled back to the earlier versions of Office 2003 & Windows XP). Had I actually paid for these products I would have been quite upset. I don't consider them an upgrade at all. The Vista "task switcher" is cool but it's not worth it to upgrade just to get that.

Office 2007 actually finally got me to try OpenOffice as an upgrade path. While I'll need to keep Outlook 2003 around to talk with my Exchange server and my handhelds, I think I may finally dump the rest of the office suite for OpenOffice.

[TheMosco]

Originally Posted by driven 

I get both products (Office 2007 & Windows Vista) for free as part of my job. In both cases I rolled back to the earlier versions of Office 2003 & Windows XP). Had I actually paid for these products I would have been quite upset. I don't consider them an upgrade at all. The Vista "task switcher" is cool but it's not worth it to upgrade just to get that.

Office 2007 actually finally got me to try OpenOffice as an upgrade path. While I'll need to keep Outlook 2003 around to talk with my Exchange server and my handhelds, I think I may finally dump the rest of the office suite for OpenOffice.

Yeah, the application switcher def isn't worth it. I actually only use windows for one thing, and thats downloading legal music and stripping the DRM. I use this app called tunebite. tunebite works by capturing the playpack and using custom sounds drivers to write the song to memory. Well, in XP I could do it at 3-4 times normal speed, doing 4 songs at once, so it was fairly fast. Well, because of the change in how Vista does sound, I can only do 1x doing 4 songs at once. So the one thing I need windows for doesn't work as well in Vista.

If installing XP wasn't such a huge huge painful slow process, I would probably install XP again.

[Laminar]

Originally Posted by TheMosco 

Yeah, the application switcher def isn't worth it. I actually only use windows for one thing, and thats downloading legal music and stripping the DRM. I use this app called tunebite. tunebite works by capturing the playpack and using custom sounds drivers to write the song to memory.

Sounds like an automatic version of Audio Hijack.

[driven]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

Sounds like an automatic version of Audio Hijack.

How ironic. Windows has more DRM than any other system ever created. (Including DRM for some things not yet commonly in use). YET: Windows has more tools to assist piracy than any other system ever created.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by driven 

How ironic. Windows has more DRM than any other system ever created. (Including DRM for some things not yet commonly in use). YET: Windows has more tools to assist piracy than any other system ever created.

It's an arms race.

[driven]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

It's an arms race.

It's insanity.

I wish they would spend half as much time fixing Windows as they do on this DRM crap.

[anonymac]

Originally Posted by driven 

I get both products (Office 2007 & Windows Vista) for free as part of my job. In both cases I rolled back to the earlier versions of Office 2003 & Windows XP). Had I actually paid for these products I would have been quite upset. I don't consider them an upgrade at all. The Vista "task switcher" is cool but it's not worth it to upgrade just to get that.

Office 2007 actually finally got me to try OpenOffice as an upgrade path. While I'll need to keep Outlook 2003 around to talk with my Exchange server and my handhelds, I think I may finally dump the rest of the office suite for OpenOffice.

dude, open office is nowhere near microsoft office. that's like saying you're going to use google's wordprocessor for your office.

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by anonymac 

dude, open office is nowhere near microsoft office. that's like saying you're going to use google's wordprocessor for your office.

Why would you say that without knowing anything about what this person needs for a word pro app?

[driven]

Originally Posted by anonymac 

dude, open office is nowhere near microsoft office. that's like saying you're going to use google's wordprocessor for your office.

Ahhh ... a Microsoft Employee. Welcome.

I was able to open a 235 page book volume and not lose any formatting at all. I printed to PDF and sent it off to the print company. The output was indistinguishable from Microsoft Word. What else do you need? VBScript?

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by anonymac 

dude, open office is nowhere near microsoft office. that's like saying you're going to use google's wordprocessor for your office.

OpenOffice is inferior to Microsoft Office in many respects, superior in some. Nevertheless, it is more than sufficient for most people's needs. Microsoft Office is bloatware — 90% of the functionality goes untouched by 90% of the users.

[torsoboy]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

OpenOffice is inferior to Microsoft Office in many respects, superior in some. Nevertheless, it is more than sufficient for most people's needs. Microsoft Office is bloatware — 90% of the functionality goes untouched by 90% of the users.

Yeah, but it's that one time that you really want to do something and can't do it that makes Microsoft Word so nice.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by torsoboy 

Yeah, but it's that one time that you really want to do something and can't do it that makes Microsoft Word so nice.

That is true. Have they finally figured out how to make list formatting actually work in Word 2007?

[Laminar]

One of the things that pisses me off most about Office:


THEY DO THE SAME THING!

[analogika]

Originally Posted by anonymac 

dude, open office is nowhere near microsoft office. that's like saying you're going to use google's wordprocessor for your office.

I don't know Google's wordprocessor. Is it that much better than Word?

Because all I know is that I saved a client's bacon recently. Book manuscript got the dreaded (but somehow well-known among users; how is that, I wonder?) "Document could not be opened. This file is possibly damaged." dialog. Client gets slightly panicky and sends me the file.

NeoOffice just opened the damn thing. No comment, no warning, no hitch. Copied and pasted the entire manuscript into a new file and sent it back - no problems.