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Veltliner · Aug 2, 2009, 03:40 AM

I checked out Amazon.com for Snow Leopard and only see a MacBox set for 169.00 $.

I don't need iwork.

I just want to buy Snow Leopard.

Another hidden price hike.

(No, I don't qualify for the 29.00 $ upgrade, as I'm still using Tiger)

Chuckit · Aug 2, 2009, 05:29 AM

It's actually not out yet.

Simon · Aug 2, 2009, 08:05 AM

What's with the premature panic? And why ask Amazon rather than Apple?

Apple said they will offer three packages: The SL update for Leopard for $29. The full SL DVD for $129 (just like Leopard, Tiger, etc), and the SL Mac Box set for $169.

There is no price hike.
There is no hidden price hike.
There is no conspiracy.
There is no need to panic.
There is no need to spread misinformation.

Lock please.

seanc · Aug 2, 2009, 08:18 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

It's actually not out yet.

Exactly.

Simon there is no need to lock the thread or get agitated, the original poster simply got confused - not realising that it hadn't been released yet.

Simon · Aug 2, 2009, 08:49 AM

asking what something costs != ranting about supposed price hikes

ghporter · Aug 2, 2009, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Simon

asking what something costs != ranting about supposed price hikes

"Another hidden price hike," DOES sound like a rant though...

Art Vandelay · Aug 2, 2009, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by Simon

Apple said they will offer three packages: The SL update for Leopard for $29. The full SL DVD for $129 (just like Leopard, Tiger, etc), and the SL Mac Box set for $169.

There is no need to spread misinformation.

Not quite. Apple never announced a full Snow Leopard DVD for $129. Users not already on Leopard will have to buy the box set.

Apple Unveils Mac OS X Snow Leopard

Pricing & Availability
Mac OS X version 10.6 Snow Leopard will be available as an upgrade to Mac OS X version 10.5 Leopard in September 2009 through the Apple Store® (www.apple.com), Apple’s retail stores and Apple Authorized Resellers. The Snow Leopard single user license will be available for a suggested retail price of $29 (US) and the Snow Leopard Family Pack, a single household, five-user license, will be available for a suggested price of $49 (US). For Tiger® users with an Intel-based Mac, the Mac Box Set includes Mac OS X Snow Leopard, iLife® ’09 and iWork® ’09 and will be available for a suggested price of $169 (US) and a Family Pack is available for a suggested price of $229 (US).

So, it looks like you're the one spreading misinformation after all.

Simon · Aug 2, 2009, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by ghporter

"Another hidden price hike," DOES sound like a rant though...

Exactly what I'm saying. There's no problem with asking, but ranting about hidden price hikes (that don't exist) is not that. Maybe I should have used ≠ instead of !=. It's a programming habit.

Simon · Aug 2, 2009, 12:34 PM

It's my understanding that Apple is suggesting Tiger users buy the Mac Box for better value. There will still be a standalone SL.

Art Vandelay · Aug 2, 2009, 12:40 PM

No there won't. Our Apple rep confirmed it after WWDC when we asked. There will be no full, standalone Snow Leopard DVDs available for sale, just like there were no Intel Tiger DVDs for sale.

Art Vandelay · Aug 2, 2009, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Veltliner

I checked out Amazon.com for Snow Leopard and only see a MacBox set for 169.00 $.

I don't need iwork.

I just want to buy Snow Leopard.

Another hidden price hike.

(No, I don't qualify for the 29.00 $ upgrade, as I'm still using Tiger)

You're only paying $11 more than users already on Leopard. We had to pay $129 to get to Leopard before. Basically you're getting iLife and iWork thrown in for $11. Doesn't sound like a hidden price hike to me.

mduell · Aug 2, 2009, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Simon

Apple said they will offer ... [t]he full SL DVD for $129 (just like Leopard, Tiger, etc)

Originally Posted by Simon

There will still be a standalone SL.

Source please.

Chuckit · Aug 2, 2009, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

You're only paying $11 more than users already on Leopard. We had to pay $129 to get to Leopard before. Basically you're getting iLife and iWork thrown in for $11. Doesn't sound like a hidden price hike to me.

$169 - $29 = $11? That looks like $140 to me.

64stang06 · Aug 2, 2009, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

$169 - $29 = $11? That looks like $140 to me.

Some people purchased Leopard for their Intel Macs, so $129 (10.5)+$29 (10.6)=$158; so his statement that $11 more for Snow Leopard, iLife, and iWork fits.

larkost · Aug 2, 2009, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

$169 - $29 = $11? That looks like $140 to me.

The point was that people who started on 10.4 paid $129 to get to 10.5, and then would be paying $29 to get to 10.6. So:

$129 + $29 = $158

So for $11 more than that path you get to go from 10.4 to 10.6, and you get iLife '09 and iWork '09 thrown in to the bargin. It really is very reasonable.

Chuckit · Aug 2, 2009, 05:11 PM

That makes about as much sense to me as saying it ought to cost $1000 to cover the cost of all previous Mac OS versions.

CharlesS · Aug 2, 2009, 05:20 PM

That makes about as much sense to me as saying there ought to be a MacBook Pro without an ExpressCard slot.

Chuckit · Aug 2, 2009, 05:30 PM

OT or is there some relevance I'm not getting?

DCJ001 · Aug 2, 2009, 05:40 PM

I don't see a need to even think about this for another six weeks or so.

ghporter · Aug 2, 2009, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Simon

Exactly what I'm saying. There's no problem with asking, but ranting about hidden price hikes (that don't exist) is not that. Maybe I should have used ≠ instead of !=. It's a programming habit.

I understand "!=." I just misinterpreted your post.

ghporter · Aug 2, 2009, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Art Vandelay

No there won't. Our Apple rep confirmed it after WWDC when we asked. There will be no full, standalone Snow Leopard DVDs available for sale, just like there were no Intel Tiger DVDs for sale.

So I'm sitting here with a Core 2 Duo iMac running Leopard, but I will not be able to update to Snow Leopard? If that's what you're saying, then I'm very concerned. A Core 2 Duo machine is 64-bit capable, right? Why not let me upgrade to Snow Leopard?

Or is it that there won't be individual SL discs? So to upgrade my iMac and my wife's MacBook, I'd have to buy the family box pack?

AKcrab · Aug 2, 2009, 06:30 PM

Simon says there will be a $129 10.6 disk that will work on any intel..

Art says there *won't* be a $129 10.6 disk that will work on any intel, and that you *have* to be on 10.5 to use the $29 disk.

Art quoted Apple as stating that Tiger users *have* to buy the "box set".

If you're on an intel machine running 10.5, it's $29 to move to 10.6.

ghporter · Aug 2, 2009, 07:12 PM

Apple says people who buy new Macs from now until SL comes out will have to pay $9 to upgrade, I haven't seen a source for the $29 cost for the upgrade disc, and Art's information from Apple makes it sound like there won't be ANY disc for not-so-new Macs... As you can imagine, all this is pretty confusing to me.

Chuckit · Aug 2, 2009, 07:16 PM

The source is WWDC.

Art Vandelay · Aug 2, 2009, 07:35 PM

The source is also the quoted PR I noted above too.

ghporter · Aug 2, 2009, 09:36 PM

OK. Obviously I'm not up on all of that. Probably because I've been rather busy with school since, oh, 2005.

Thanks for the "clarification" (also known as "aren't you paying any attention?!?")

Veltliner · 02:21 AM

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Veltliner · 02:26 AM

Well, looks like I have to buy the box.

I'm still working with MS Word (non-intel), and I don't like it.

Maybe "Pages" is better.

"Numbers" and "Keynote" (or whatever the presentation program is called) is definitively not something I'd use. I also no longer use any iLife apps except iTunes, which you get for free anyway.

I'd say it wouldn't hurt to leave it to the consumer if he wants the whole guacamole, or just the OS.

Big Mac · Aug 4, 2009, 04:38 AM

Since the vast majority of SL upgraders are coming from Leopard and will therefore get the upgrade pricing, Apple decided it made more sense to bundle the full version with iWork and iLife, which is a really nice deal if you have any desire to use those applications. Apple has the right to decide how to sell its software, Veltliner.

DCJ001 · Aug 4, 2009, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by Veltliner

Well, looks like I have to buy the box...

I'd say it wouldn't hurt to leave it to the consumer if he wants the whole guacamole, or just the OS.

None of the SL products are being sold yet and what will be offered has not yet been announced by Apple. It does not make sense to not be able to just by SL for $129.

Hopefully, you'll be happily surprised when you find that you can.

Art Vandelay · Aug 4, 2009, 03:13 PM

Originally Posted by DCJ001

what will be offered has not yet been announced by Apple

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

rickey939 · Aug 4, 2009, 05:42 PM

I like this thread. It shall never end.

turtle777 · Aug 4, 2009, 05:47 PM

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

-t

0157988944 · Aug 4, 2009, 06:09 PM

I HATE YOU ALL WITH YOUR PREMATURENESS AND RANTINGS

l

turtle777 · Aug 4, 2009, 06:17 PM

Right. Right. Right.

-t

voicebox · Aug 4, 2009, 06:24 PM

Originally Posted by Veltliner

I checked out Amazon.com for Snow Leopard and only see a MacBox set for 169.00 $.

I don't need iwork.

I just want to buy Snow Leopard.

Another hidden price hike.

(No, I don't qualify for the 29.00 $ upgrade, as I'm still using Tiger)

Veltliner,
My dear chap, after reading the above posts it seems to me that you have innocently tossed a pebble into a pool of still water and instead of causing a few ripples - you have caused a tsunami... dear oh dear!!

If you want to upgrade to Leopard (and maybe you don't) buy now a Leopard DVD - £69'ish ($117'ish) over here in London and the UK - and install it.
You say you don't want iWork - then don't install it!
Then wait until September and upgrade to Snow Leopard for $29, or £17.50'ish here in the UK ...and again if you don't want iWork then don't install it ...
It's a game dear heart, it's a game!!

On the other hand stick with Tiger and enjoy the rest of your life ..!

Yours - in fun
voicebox

DCJ001 · 09:45 PM

One option to consider, for those who don't have Leopard yet, is to buy Leopard for $102.49 from Amazon, then get Snow Leopard for $29 for a total of $131.49.

jmiddel · Aug 4, 2009, 10:00 PM

Voicebox, dear chap, what a relief to have some much needed humor. And thanks to you and DCJ001 for practical solutions. I'm grinning ear to ear

gradient · Aug 5, 2009, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by DCJ001

One option to consider, for those who don't have Leopard yet, is to buy Leopard for $102.49 from Amazon, then get Snow Leopard for $29 for a total of $131.49.

Yep, this is a very good solution.

http://cgi.ebay.com/MAC-OS-X-OSX-LEO...#ht_1972wt_920

B_Devlin · Aug 6, 2009, 11:37 AM

For a more technical speculation....
All Macs are sold with iLife and some people use iWork so if your plans are to upgrade to Snow Leopard then you will need these other iApps updated as well. It may be because of the underlying new technologies in Snow Leopard.
To name a few:
OpenCL, Grand Central, CoreImage, CoreAudio and others I'm probably not even aware of.
So, spend the money and help the economy while at the same time reaping the benefits of all the cool new features and speeds of the Mac and it's iApps.
Don't be cheap. You are a Mac owner! There's always Windows if you want to be cheap.

Spheric Harlot · Aug 6, 2009, 02:09 PM

^ lamest argument ever.

Wrong in every respect, and just lame overall.

B_Devlin · 05:21 PM

Never mind

turtle777 · Aug 6, 2009, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by B_Devlin

I thought I should be offended.
I've seen your myspace page.
Your opinion is mute.

Well who the **** are you ?

-t

Simon · Aug 6, 2009, 02:48 PM

Hehe. This is gonna be fun.

In the left corner, the noob. In the right corner, ze Germans. Ding, ding.

CharlesS · Aug 6, 2009, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by B_Devlin

Your opinion is mute.

No, if anything, he's quite vocal.

DCJ001 · Aug 6, 2009, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by B_Devlin

For a more technical speculation....
All Macs are sold with iLife and some people use iWork so if your plans are to upgrade to Snow Leopard then you will need these other iApps updated as well. It may be because of the underlying new technologies in Snow Leopard.
To name a few:
OpenCL, Grand Central, CoreImage, CoreAudio and others I'm probably not even aware of.
So, spend the money and help the economy while at the same time reaping the benefits of all the cool new features and speeds of the Mac and it's iApps.
Don't be cheap. You are a Mac owner! There's always Windows if you want to be cheap.

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

^ lamest argument ever.

Wrong in every respect, and just lame overall.

I agree.

Originally Posted by B_Devlin

I thought I should be offended.
I've seen your myspace page.
Your opinion is mute.

I don't want to get involved in your little power struggle for internet superiority.

But I thought that I'd let you know that, the word that you were trying to use is "moot."

B_Devlin · Aug 6, 2009, 04:21 PM

I concede and you are right. I'm obviously blathering idiot.
It's all about the money and how Apple is trying to screw over the world of Mac users.
SCREW APPLE!

turtle777 · Aug 6, 2009, 04:22 PM

Originally Posted by DCJ001

But I thought that I'd let you know that, the word that you were trying to use is "moot."

Let's hope this didn't fall on dumb ears

-t

mduell · Aug 6, 2009, 11:29 PM

In response to the Windows 7 upgrade chart releasedtoday, Fake Steve had a hilarious post with the Snow Leopard upgrade diagram:

Simon · Aug 7, 2009, 04:03 AM

So looking at that chart it means you can only upgrade to Win 7 and retain your documents, settings, etc. if you have a few select versions of Vista (the green boxes). All the blue boxes mean you get to migrate your stuff manually? LOL.

I re-installed a Debian Linux box yesterday. The entire migration process consisted of copying over ~/. It took about 40 seconds.