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I never thought this thing was ever going to happen, but Pence and Bolton waving the "Lybia model" in Kim's face really didn't help things.
Almost mistyped Labia Model.
Did anyone catch Trumps rambling on that? He very clearly doesn't realize the Libya model refers to their denuclearization and instead thinks it's when we and our allies bombed the shit out of them to support the uprising.
Did anyone catch Trumps rambling on that? He very clearly doesn't realize the Libya model refers to their denuclearization and instead thinks it's when we and our allies bombed the shit out of them to support the uprising.
Bolton certainly wasn’t confused when he mentioned Libya. I am almost really confused: Trump’s own administration officials are torpedoing their boss’s efforts of what (for a brief second) could have been his crowning achievement worthy of a Nobel Prize. Almost confused.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
I wouldn’t say that Bolton scuttled the talks because of that, Bolton was always a chicken hawk, and would have pushed for no negotiations even if Trump were capable of strategic planning.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
They could be right for the wrong reason. That NK never had any intention of negotiating in good faith and managed to hoodwink Trump into thinking so for cred and giggles.
They could be right for the wrong reason. That NK never had any intention of negotiating in good faith and managed to hoodwink Trump into thinking so for cred and giggles.
For some reason I think its more likely that Trump is doing the whole will-they-won't-they bit as one of his standard distractions from the investigations into his various moral and legal failings. That and he can't decide between actually landing a genuine win and trying to look like a tough guy.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
They could be right for the wrong reason. That NK never had any intention of negotiating in good faith and managed to hoodwink Trump into thinking so for cred and giggles.
Two things: first of all, everybody knew that going into it. If Trump didn't, because he refuses to do his homework, we can quibble about what verb best describes this (Willful ignorance? Incompetence? etc.) And secondly, I think the Trump Administration's expectations are ludicrous which destine any meeting to failure. I've outline more realistic goals above (e. g. officially signing a cease fire to “end” the Korean War), and while these are largely symbolic, I think at this stage of the relationship, this is what you can (and should) aim for.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
I get the opposite feeling. Doing the dance with Kim is the kind of shit Trump lives for.
Trump just craves recognition, ever since the inane idea of a Nobel Peace Prize (at this point, with nothing to show for) had been implanted into his brain, he is drawn to meeting Kim Jong-Un like a moth to a flame. Problem is that he's still not willing to put the work in to understand all the dependencies, the necessary background and keep all the members of his own administration in line.
Just look at his psychology: I once heard the description of him as “the poor man's idea of a rich man” with all the gold and gaudiness, and a completely lack of taste for refined things (his diet, penchant for all things gold and poor dress exemplify this). He wants to be recognized as a great leader.
Originally Posted by subego
What he’s petrified of is Muller. Trump would love to have some credibility as a world leader before they enter the octagon.
Trump doesn't want credibility, he wants respect and to be recognized as a great leader.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
I thought it was an odd choice, too. So, I prefer to think of Obama’s Nobel more as a symbolic “well done” to the US as a whole for actually electing a black man President.
I thought it was an odd choice, too. So, I prefer to think of Obama’s Nobel more as a symbolic “well done” to the US as a whole for actually electing a black man President.
Yes, that's how I saw it as well. Plus, Obama's message of hope as a campaign slogan. But we should reward people for what they have done rather than what they might do.
I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.
Trump is a coward. All mouth, no trousers.
I suspect that if anyone ever took a shot at him you'd never see him make an outdoor speech again. Even if they missed by a mile. He'd publicly shrug it off and even mock the shooter, but he'd do it from indoors.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
I thought it was an odd choice, too. So, I prefer to think of Obama’s Nobel more as a symbolic “well done” to the US as a whole for actually electing a black man President.
Obamas Nobel was a "Not George Bush Award" for not being the guy who started an elective war nor Mr. Bomb-bomb-bomb Iran. Aside from that being an idiotic reason to give the award, Obama had proven nothing and the point most in his favor, not having voted for the Iraq war, was due to him not being in congress at the time, not foresight or moral Conviction.
I don't blame any conservative that doesn't take them seriously after that. Never mind not waiting around long enough to see Obama fail at most of his descalation promises.
There were some reports Bolton was trying to purposely torpedo the meeting with his Libya comments, but I'm not totally convinced as he's also attending.
Guliani said Kim begged on his hands and knees for the meeting and I'd be heartily amused if they pulled out because of his comments.
Trump says he doesn't need to prep for the summit. Pompeo now doing clean-up work saying he'll be adequately informed beforehand.
Trump's already given NK a big win in holding the talks at all. NK has been wanting to have a face-to-face with the US President for several decades, but all previous administrations said "No", knowing that doing so would bestow NK's regime with instant legitimacy and status, making it much harder to effect change.
At best, I think NK will agree to scrap their ICBM program (or, simply promise to aim them away from the US). That lets Trump crow about "making the US safe." But, he'll let NK slide on the short and medium-range missiles that can hit allies like Japan and SK, as well as China and Russia. Sort of a Trumpian "f**k you, I got mine" to our allies. I can't see NK ever agreeing to fully de-nuke itself.
If the US gives NK any more concessions, I think it will be tied to Trump's favorite domestic causes...coal and, possibly, oil. Steel and produce like soybeans could be offered, as well.
It just seems weird. This was supposed to be his big, huge, never been done, greatest negotiator ever, moment. And, he leaves early? It's hard to imagine Nixon leaving China early.
Then again, the White House has been scaling-back expectations rapidly. I think it's now down to "establishing a dialog."
he leaves everything early. attention span of a gnat.
Originally Posted by Thorzdad
It just seems weird. This was supposed to be his big, huge, never been done, greatest negotiator ever, moment. And, he leaves early? It's hard to imagine Nixon leaving China early.
Then again, the White House has been scaling-back expectations rapidly. I think it's now down to "establishing a dialog."
Chongo right, Trump is leaving earlier because he sees Kim potentially leaving first as some kind of power move
President Donald Trump moved up his planned departure from his summit with Kim Jong Un after North Korean officials made plans to leave by the end of the day, a U.S. official told Bloomberg News.
Trump, who had been willing to stay longer, is formally scheduled to depart summit site at 6:30 p.m. and fly home from Singapore at 7 p.m., which is 7 a.m. New York time, according to public White House schedule.