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Ca$h68 · Jun 17, 2002, 02:37 PM

<a href="http://www.sphmotorsports.com/" target="_blank">http://www.sphmotorsports.com/</a>

Thats a pic of my friend Shawn's engine bay. He's got a plain jane black ACR, with about 5-6,000 in mods done to it. It was dynoed last saturday, made 250hp and 238 ft/lbs of torque. Once the fuel system is reworked it should be making a healthy 300. Around 10 psi of boost.

booo-yah.

- Ca$h

wingdo · Jun 17, 2002, 03:41 PM

And when all is said and done, it is still a freaking Neon.

Fyre4ce · Jun 17, 2002, 04:52 PM

My problem with Neons is that they're front-wheel drive. I will not give a front-wheel drive car the respect Ca$h wants for his car.

Ca$h68 · Jun 17, 2002, 05:25 PM

Yes, when all is said and done, for WAY less than 10,000 you can have a car that can walk all over damn near anything on the road, has an INSANE power to weight ratio, gets almost 1g on the skidpad, gets over 30mpg, sometimes 40, is DIRT CHEAP TO INSURE, and parkings easy as hell. Did I mention parts are dirt cheap?

- Ca$h

OSX Abuser · Jun 17, 2002, 05:34 PM

Your friend should of spent some of that money on a webserver, or atleast more bandwidth.

With all that power in to the front tires does your friend break the half-shafts??
Did the car come with a manual transmission??
What does the engine rev to 8-9,000 RPM???

Ca$h68 · Jun 17, 2002, 05:44 PM

Yes, he kept breaking halfshafts til he bought a stage 3 set from driveshaftshop.com

Yes, all ACR neon (plymouth or dodge) came with manual transmissions, the automatic was not available with the ACR model.

No idea. I dunno if it goes that high.

- Ca$h

iBook · Jun 17, 2002, 05:57 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ca$h68:
Yes, when all is said and done, for WAY less than 10,000 you can have a car that can walk all over damn near anything on the road, has an INSANE power to weight ratio, gets almost 1g on the skidpad, gets over 30mpg, sometimes 40, is DIRT CHEAP TO INSURE, and parkings easy as hell. Did I mention parts are dirt cheap?

- Ca$h<hr /></blockquote>Parking easy as hell??? I drove a Neon and parking is easy. What is not easy is backing out of the parking space with the way Neon back ends are jacked up in the air, and to top it off they put a spoiler! I have come real close to hitting at least 5 people trying to back a Neon out of a parking space.

If you're going to spend $26,000 on a modified Neon, why don't you just go get a Mitsubishi Eclipse which would be just as fast, insurance is dirt cheap and gets just as good gas mileage?

Besides that, a Dakota R/T will smoke any Neon any day and all for less than $20,000 with no Mods.

There is no replacement for Displacement!

Ca$h68 · Jun 17, 2002, 06:18 PM

IT is easy. ITs a small car. Secondly, no ACR neons have spoilers, nor does mine. Thirdly, where did you get 26,000 dollars from? I said the ENTIRE CAR was built for less than 10,000 dollars. A used ACR is under 4000 most of hte time, and the modifications were less than 6000 dollars. Thats UNDER 10,000 dollars, for a machine that will DESTROY any Dakota from the factory. And an eclipse?! Hahahah. Unless you're talking about the GST (which isnt produced anymore), they're cake cars. Heavy, THEY DRINK LOTS OF GAS (compared to a neon) and insurance is EXTREMELY HIGH.

Quit smoking crack.

- Ca$h

goatnet · Jun 17, 2002, 07:29 PM

I really hate to be the one who brings this up, but...

"5-6,000 in mods"

I assume that's US dollars we're talking about here. You realize for that price, you could've just bought a used CBR, FZR, GSXR or ZX-6 and smoked that POS off the road in like 3.2 seconds? While 300 bhp is impressive, why waste money?

Ca$h68 · Jun 17, 2002, 07:54 PM

Some people aren't nutty enough to ride those two wheeled suicide machines. But seriously, by that rational, why buy ANY performance car? Motorcycles will ALWAYS be faster...

I'd much rather have a car than a bike. More room, you can drive in rain, snow, you can roadtrip, etc. I prefer my metal cage.

- Ca$h

goatnet · Jun 17, 2002, 07:57 PM

With the money you save by *NOT* dumping 6G's into your car, you can afford both

The Placid Casual · Jun 17, 2002, 08:28 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by goatnet:
I really hate to be the one who brings this up, but...

"5-6,000 in mods"

I assume that's US dollars we're talking about here. You realize for that price, you could've just bought a used CBR, FZR, GSXR or ZX-6 and smoked that POS off the road in like 3.2 seconds? While 300 bhp is impressive, why waste money?<hr /></blockquote>I'm with you on this one...I've got a 2001 GSX-R and am yet to be beaten by *anything*...M3s 911s, RS4s etc etc...Went up against a <a href="http://www.used-tvr-cars.co.uk/griffith500.htm" target="_blank">TVR Griffith 500</a> last week, I loved the look of sheer dejection on the drivers face a when he caught me up at the next lights!!

Two wheeled suicide is the way to go

Peace,

Marc

P.S. No wishing to be funny, but if I had 300 Bhp in a car I would want it to be RWD or 4WD...FWD?! the torque steer must be enough to rip your arms off...

[ 06-17-2002, 08:29 PM: Message edited by: Marc2211 ]

Ca$h68 · Jun 17, 2002, 08:56 PM

meh. I see your point I guess... but then you'd have this insane bike, and a boring ass regular neon for daily transportation. So you'd only get to have fun some of the time. This way you get to have fun all the time. And yeah, torquesteer sucks, but with solid motormounts its practically eliminated!

- Ca$h

The Placid Casual · Jun 17, 2002, 09:10 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ca$h68:
meh. I see your point I guess... but then you'd have this insane bike, and a boring ass regular neon for daily transportation. So you'd only get to have fun some of the time. This way you get to have fun all the time. And yeah, torquesteer sucks, but with solid motormounts its practically eliminated!

- Ca$h<hr /></blockquote>I do have to agree... I hate riding in really wet and windy weather...I was blown across three lanes of traffic while well into 3 figure once, not something I like to happen on a regular basis...!! Biking can be just too damn dangerous at times...so I guess from certian perspectives a car is the way to go

However, the only problem is that I have a pretty stupid car as well (not 300 bhp stupid, but pretty stupid none the less!), and with the way I drive, my licence it at risk from 2 angles!!

Such is the price we pay for our passions in life I guess...

Marc

P.S. regardless of how the Neon handes 300 Bhp sounds like a whole lotta fun...

Ca$h68 · Jun 17, 2002, 09:20 PM

Sounds scary (the bike thing).

300hp is cool, but 300hp in a neon is pretty funny. Its a gokart on crack.

Mine will have about 230hp at the wheels. I'm spending significantly less though.

2.4 liter from wrecked breeze or stratus (6-800ish)
aluminum flywheel (250)
aluminum ram air intake (intercooler look) (175)
56mm billet TB (200)
Underdrive Pulley (130)
ported intake manifold (free)
stainless header (150)
Dry Nitrous setup 50 horse shot (500)

A guy did this with a less efficient intake, no porting, and put out 220hp, so I figure a different intake and porting is around 10hp or so. Won't that be fun. Hehe. The difference is that I'm going after TORQUE, not hp. I'll have 250-270 ft/lbs I'm guessing. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

- Ca$h

Ca$h68 · Jun 17, 2002, 09:27 PM

Did I mention ACRs only weigh 2400?

HEhehHe

- Ca$h

Nimisys · Jun 18, 2002, 12:58 AM

nice neon, but i will take a 23000$ 20B powered 2nd gen rex. 600+hp in 3000lb RWD car.

UNTeMac · Jun 18, 2002, 01:15 AM

Ford ZX2's are just as fast if not faster with 5-6g's in them not to mention they just look better. Neon is just...well...a neon. I mean, come on, the initial ad campaign was "Hi." The Neon is a chick car. $5000+ in ANY sport compact will make it fast as hell.

<a href="http://www.fordvehicles.com/zx2" target="_blank">www.fordvehicles.com/zx2</a>

<a href="http://www.zx2-sr.com/" target="_blank">http://www.zx2-sr.com/</a>

iBook · Jun 18, 2002, 01:27 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ca$h68:
IT is easy. ITs a small car. Secondly, no ACR neons have spoilers, nor does mine. Thirdly, where did you get 26,000 dollars from? I said the ENTIRE CAR was built for less than 10,000 dollars. A used ACR is under 4000 most of hte time, and the modifications were less than 6000 dollars. Thats UNDER 10,000 dollars, for a machine that will DESTROY any Dakota from the factory. And an eclipse?! Hahahah. Unless you're talking about the GST (which isnt produced anymore), they're cake cars. Heavy, THEY DRINK LOTS OF GAS (compared to a neon) and insurance is EXTREMELY HIGH.

Quit smoking crack.

- Ca$h<hr /></blockquote>Easy??? Compared to what? I find it easier to park my '02 Dodge Dakota than a Neon (backing out anyway) also, it is not just the spoiler that puts the spoils on backing out. Secondly, why do you think the used Neons are so cheap? Probably becuase they fall apart, the engines are weak (especially when you modify them), you're lucky if you have any body panels that don't rattle, and aren't about to fall off. Beleive me, no Neon can beat a Dakota 5.9 R/T, not even a Neon R/T. In a Dak. R/T I have smoked just about EVERYTHING off the light, even tricked out Neons, Hondas, Acuras, etc. What haven't I smoked you ask? a 1969 Dart GTS with a 440 with 390HP. Dakota's have a ton of torque that you just can't get out of any 4 or 6 cylinder. My point is: If you want to go fast you need cubic inches. Stop trying to say that you can build a neon to be the fastest car in the world, just leave it at you can beat the ricers out there, not necessarily everyone on the road can you beat! One more thing, what can you do with a tricked out neon other than haul people around and go fast? Nothing. At least with a Dakota R/T you can beat most cars and trucks on the road, seat 5 people, and Help a friend move or tow a boat if you need to all for around $12,000 bucks. And at least a dakota won't fall apart with only 50,000 miles on it.

gattur · Jun 18, 2002, 01:32 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ca$h68:
Around 10 psi of boost.
- Ca$h<hr /></blockquote>I don't drive and I have never owned a car but what does the above quote mean. I am assuming 10 pounds per square inch. But how does this apply to the internal combustion engine? Just curious! I could search on google for this but I assume someone would like to explain it to me.

Thanks.

[damn UBB: and i bet it is still screwed up, but i am not fixing it]

[ 06-18-2002, 01:34 AM: Message edited by: gattur ]

awaspaas · Jun 18, 2002, 01:37 AM

i have a grand am <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

RGB · Jun 18, 2002, 01:43 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by awaspaas:
i have a grand am

<hr /></blockquote>Me too. A '92 SE Sedan with the Quad 4 Engine. Not a horrible ride, but not exactly quick either. I'd love either a newer Grand Am GT or an early 90s Thunderbird w/ the 5 liter. Car has less than 45k miles, and some of the paint is chipping off. <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" />

awaspaas · Jun 18, 2002, 01:50 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by RGB:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by awaspaas:
i have a grand am

<hr /></blockquote>Me too. A '92 SE Sedan with the Quad 4 Engine. Not a horrible ride, but not exactly quick either. I'd love either a newer Grand Am GT or an early 90s Thunderbird w/ the 5 liter. Car has less than 45k miles, and some of the paint is chipping off. <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>D'oh... mine isnt so bad really, no paint chips anyway! <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" /> its a '97 2-door w/ a 150hp 2.4L 4-cylinder - it would be a whole lot better w/ the 5-speed though. Oh well, at least I think it looks nice even though it won't win any races.

theUpsetter · Jun 18, 2002, 01:51 AM

Build a 300hp Neon?

the real question is, why would want to?

no style

Vanquish · Jun 18, 2002, 07:14 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Build a 300hp Neon?

the real question is, why would want to?

no style
<hr /></blockquote>I second that.
1.The neon is ugly
2.300 bhp in a FWD ??? that's insane
3.Can the standard transmission handle the torque it develops ?
4.Is that with nitro-crap or turbo ? or is it a real engine for men and not for sissies ?
5.It's a US car. So, no thank you.

M�lum · Jun 18, 2002, 07:38 AM

Toyin · Jun 18, 2002, 11:23 AM

Personally I think a 300hp Neon is pretty upsurd.

The torque steer would be ridiculous. Full throttle acceleration in a straight line would be an adventure and forget ccelerating out of turns. I would hope he's doing significant suspension modifications. At minimum 17 x 7" wheels with decent tires. Quaiffe differential or equivalent. Coil over springs or equivalent and anti-sway bars. To have this thing pull 1g he would also need to seriously reinforce the body structure with at minimum strut tower bars front and back (preferably he could use the whole cage set up).

jamesa · Jun 18, 2002, 12:03 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ca$h68:
Yes, when all is said and done, for WAY less than 10,000 you can have a car that can walk all over damn near anything on the road, has an INSANE power to weight ratio, gets almost 1g on the skidpad, gets over 30mpg, sometimes 40, is DIRT CHEAP TO INSURE, and parkings easy as hell. Did I mention parts are dirt cheap?

- Ca$h<hr /></blockquote>what I want to know is how much of the $10k you need to spend on super glue to hold the damn thing together?

-- james

[ 06-18-2002, 12:03 PM: Message edited by: jamesa ]

Ca$h68 · Jun 18, 2002, 12:48 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by UNTiMac:
Ford ZX2's are just as fast if not faster with 5-6g's in them not to mention they just look better. Neon is just...well...a neon. I mean, come on, the initial ad campaign was "Hi." The Neon is a chick car. $5000+ in ANY sport compact will make it fast as hell.
<hr /></blockquote>Looks are a matter of opinion. Personally, I prefer the bolder lines of a neon than the swoopy taurus looking Zx2.... errr... ahem... ESCORT. Which is what it is. An escort. With a different front end and a name with POWER letters like Z and X hopefully trying to attract younger buyers. And, FYI, the neons later slogans was "BYE.". Know why? They're fast. Go race a MTX neon. Another reason I prefer the neons to 'escorts' is that neons have a much better suspension. Stiffer and more competition ready, I suggest you learn about the ACR.

- Ca$h

Ca$h68 · Jun 18, 2002, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by iBook:
Easy??? Compared to what? I find it easier to park my '02 Dodge Dakota than a Neon (backing out anyway) also, it is not just the spoiler that puts the spoils on backing out.

Oh my, this shall be a fun post. You find it easier to park a TRUCK than a compact car? You're either an idiot or you never park in a city. Come to madison, I invite you to ATTEMPT to find a parking spot for your truck. Also, with the height of that vehicle I'd imagine it'd be HARD to park if you were paralell parking around small cars, because you couldn't see them.

Secondly, why do you think the used Neons are so cheap? Probably becuase they fall apart, the engines are weak (especially when you modify them), you're lucky if you have any body panels that don't rattle, and aren't about to fall off. Beleive me, no Neon can beat a Dakota 5.9 R/T, not even a Neon R/T.

They're cheap because they're cheap cars. The interior is cheap, they don't cost much to produce, and there is nothing exotic about them whatsoever. Think extremeley rigid frame, big go kart engine, stiff suspension, and plastic. Ta da. Lightweight. Goes. And the engines are weak?!?!?! Compared to what?!?!?! A v8? I wouldn't consider that WEAK, its a completely different catergory. Compared to saturns, ESCORTS (zx2s), Civics, and all other sport compacts they are definitely not weak, in fact, their powerband and torque is bigger than any manufacturer I can think of.

AND NO NEON CAN BEAT YOUR R/T!??! HAhAHA. Hey buddy, I >CHALLENGE< you to come to the Union Grove Dragstrip in Southern Wisconsin THIS THURSDAY. There will be neons there running 14s, 13s, 12s, 11s, 10s, 9s, and HOPEFULLY, if Len Aleya shows, EIGHTS. Yep. EIGHTS. With a STOCK BLOCK. And FWD. So your dakota can run eights??? And considering that one can effectively DOUBLE the stock horsepower without any problems where do you get off calling their engines weak?

In a Dak. R/T I have smoked just about EVERYTHING off the light, even tricked out Neons, Hondas, Acuras, etc. What haven't I smoked you ask? a 1969 Dart GTS with a 440 with 390HP. Dakota's have a ton of torque that you just can't get out of any 4 or 6 cylinder.

Good for you, you raced a REAL performance vehicle. Dakotas are pieces of ****, and yes, I will back that up. They offer a sporty image but pathetic performance. Compared to what you ask? The competition. The Dakota R/T is in the SAME catergory as the Ford Lightning, and the Ford assrapes the Dakota completely. The Neon R/T, however, in its catergory, is the fastest. And again, I challenge you to come to the dragstrip this thursday to beat all the 'tricked out neons'. Come on. Admission is 10 bucks, and another 10 to race. And torque is great, but its not everything. Yes, you have more torque than an inline 4, be proud. However, there are so many neons out their that have a superior power to weight ratio, get better mpg, have better acceleration, better top speed, EXTREMELY better cornering, and cheaper to insure than that barge of a truck with some R/T letters thrown on it. I grew up on RWD v8 musclecars. They are my heritage, and my favorite cars. HOWEVER, being in the rust belt, pristine v8 rwd cars are hard to find, and they are not as reliable. FWD performance is not the best idea, but for daily use, its PERFECT. Cheap, fast, and reliable.

My point is: If you want to go fast you need cubic inches.

Well that's completely wrong. Define fast. I think 12s is pretty fast, and there are a lot of neon running 12s. 13s is even more common, and you can do that with just bolt ons. Also, going fast in a straight line is cool and all, but its even cooler to go fast on straights AND curves.

Stop trying to say that you can build a neon to be the fastest car in the world, just leave it at you can beat the ricers out there, not necessarily everyone on the road can you beat!

One can never beat "EVERYONE" on the road. Thats pretty much impossible. But with my plans I'll be able to beat about 98% of them.

One more thing, what can you do with a tricked out neon other than haul people around and go fast? Nothing. At least with a Dakota R/T you can beat most cars and trucks on the road, seat 5 people, and Help a friend move or tow a boat if you need to all for around $12,000 bucks.

So now you are saying that neons are fast? Huh. Before you were saying how weak they are. Anyway, I can haul 5 people, go roadtripping without having to worry about astronomical fuel bills, ENJOY DRIVING AND CORNERING (a thing you can't do in the dak), move all my stuff, go skiing, and tow my boat (yes they can tow boats, you just need a hitch, which I have).

And at least a dakota won't fall apart with only 50,000 miles on it.

I have 100,000 miles on mine. Turned today.

Looks like it should have fallen apart twice by your idea eh? Anyway, I've done this to it:

At 26,000 I had the headgasket replaced. Warranty covered it, and they used the updated MLS (multi layered steel) gasket which COMPLETELY SOLVES the notorious headgasket problem that everyone talks about.

At 47,000 I replaced a door stopper thing.

At 89,000 I put in performance struts

At 95,000 I put in new rear strut mounts because mine were making noise.

At 99,000 I got a new tie rod.

Thats it. I think thats pretty good, personally.

- Ca$h

Ca$h68 · Jun 18, 2002, 01:20 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by gattur:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ca$h68:
Around 10 psi of boost.
- Ca$h<hr /></blockquote>I don't drive and I have never owned a car but what does the above quote mean. I am assuming 10 pounds per square inch. But how does this apply to the internal combustion engine?
Thanks.
<hr /></blockquote>The PSI of the turbo. A turbocharger compressing the incoming air.... with denser air you can stuff more fuel. More fuel = more bang. More bang= more power. In laymen's terms.

- Ca$h

Ca$h68 · Jun 18, 2002, 01:23 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Vanquish:
I second that.
1.The neon is ugly
2.300 bhp in a FWD ??? that's insane
3.Can the standard transmission handle the torque it develops ?
4.Is that with nitro-crap or turbo ? or is it a real engine for men and not for sissies ?
5.It's a US car. So, no thank you.<hr /></blockquote>This coming from a guy who only likes 75,000 dollar vehicles.

1. I think British people are ugly, especially with their nasty ass teeth.
2. 75,000 dollars on a car?! Thats insane
3. Yes. A pin should be welded in it (some pin likes to fly out) and a better clutch, but other than that yes.
4. Turbo. He doesn't run nitrous.
5. Figures. Go read motortrend and masturbate on your VW.

- Ca$h

Ca$h68 · Jun 18, 2002, 01:26 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Toyin:
Personally I think a 300hp Neon is pretty upsurd.

The torque steer would be ridiculous.<hr /></blockquote>The motor mounts and transmission mounts are solid aluminum, so torque steer isn't that bad at all.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Full throttle acceleration in a straight line would be an adventure and forget ccelerating out of turns. I would hope he's doing significant suspension modifications. At minimum 17 x 7" wheels with decent tires. Quaiffe differential or equivalent. Coil over springs or equivalent and anti-sway bars. To have this thing pull 1g he would also need to seriously reinforce the body structure with at minimum strut tower bars front and back (preferably he could use the whole cage set up).<hr /></blockquote>He has 17s, not sure what width though. Its an ACR neon, which means it comes FROM the factory with massive swaybars (for its weight), Koni adjustable struts, and ultra high rate springs. An ACR with race tires can pull almost 1G. STOCK.

- Ca$h

Drizzt · Jun 18, 2002, 02:41 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by awaspaas:
i have a grand am

<hr /></blockquote>I have 2 nike shoes that have a lot of milleage in the body.. If I get a job.. I'll get a car..

Macintosh · Jun 18, 2002, 02:45 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ca$h68:
<a href="http://www.sphmotorsports.com/" target="_blank">http://www.sphmotorsports.com/</a>

Thats a pic of my friend Shawn's engine bay. He's got a plain jane black ACR, with about 5-6,000 in mods done to it. It was dynoed last saturday, made 250hp and 238 ft/lbs of torque. Once the fuel system is reworked it should be making a healthy 300. Around 10 psi of boost.

booo-yah.

- Ca$h<hr /></blockquote>Like I said before and I will say it again. Dodge Neon's suck serious *******. Terrible crsah test rates (real lief experience in my case) and pathetic size. They are also vomit inducing in terms of how they ride.

Get a real car, geat a German car. Go buy a nice Audi A4 or something. Neons are gokarts.

Ca$h68 · Jun 18, 2002, 04:38 PM

Yep. They do have a vomit inducing ride. It's called high spring rates in a lightweight car. Hence, CORNERS GOOD.

Neons aren't luxury cars, nor are they expensive. I don't know why you guys can't get this through your head. HOWEVER, they do offer good performance for the money, and if performance is what you're after they're a good deal.

- Ca$h

sek929 · Jun 18, 2002, 06:09 PM

Reminds me of a person I used to know who dropped a 454 into a 93 S-10 pickup. Sure it hauled ass, but it was a waste of money...just like this.

Next summer I am going to get a 95-96 Vintage Toyota MR2 Spyder (240 Horse). Does about 5.4 stock, I'll get new exhaust and maybe some decent headers for it. Plus those biatches handle like razor knives. And rear wheel drive? Fuggettaboutit!!

Macintosh · Jun 18, 2002, 07:23 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ca$h68:
Yep. They do have a vomit inducing ride. It's called high spring rates in a lightweight car. Hence, CORNERS GOOD.

Neons aren't luxury cars, nor are they expensive. I don't know why you guys can't get this through your head. HOWEVER, they do offer good performance for the money, and if performance is what you're after they're a good deal.

- Ca$h<hr /></blockquote>Or dying in a 10 mph head on colision? Good deal, I think I will pass.

Sealobo · Jun 18, 2002, 08:15 PM

To me Neon is just the american Civic... there is nothing wrong to push the limit out of these little cars. However, FF cars have major problem putting power onto the ground probably, therefore i don't have much respect for them track-wise.

Mac Zealot · Jun 18, 2002, 10:57 PM

Anything's better than the riceboy trash out there.

I dunno, can't say much, neons can be riceboy cars, haven't seen any yet, but I have 0 respect for asian/japanese trash cars.

Mac Guru · Jun 19, 2002, 01:02 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> I invite you to ATTEMPT to find a parking spot for your truck. <hr /></blockquote>Well I'd like to call you on that one, my father lives in Madison and drives his F350 Extended Cab with Camper top around all the time, no parking issues, and no problem seeing other cars. It's called knowing how to drive a truck. Obviously you don't know how. He even parks with a 25ft. trailer on occasion.

As for this car tweaking, might I ask WHY you need 300 Horsepower? The only reasons I can think of are 1)you race professionally and it helps you win races or 2) you're in some sort of rush to get somewhere and love risking your life and the lives of those around you just to get there 5 min faster (I had a brother DIE because of this kind of immature bravado, it's not funny), or 3) you're compensating for something.

Personally I like living, and watching my daughter grow up. Honestly, if you drive according to the laws set by the Govt. you CAN get where you need to go in a timely fashion and if not, life isn't going to screach to a halt. Once you grow up, you'll realise how juvenile all this is.

Mac Guru
Jeep Cherokee

gattur · Jun 19, 2002, 01:38 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ca$h68:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by gattur:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ca$h68:
Around 10 psi of boost.
- Ca$h<hr /></blockquote>I don't drive and I have never owned a car but what does the above quote mean. I am assuming 10 pounds per square inch. But how does this apply to the internal combustion engine?
Thanks.
<hr /></blockquote>The PSI of the turbo. A turbocharger compressing the incoming air.... with denser air you can stuff more fuel. More fuel = more bang. More bang= more power. In laymen's terms.

- Ca$h<hr /></blockquote>Thanks Ca$h, that makes sense! Jesus was holding my hand! (quote from a guy singing to a chick on ELIMIDATE) <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

RGB · Jun 19, 2002, 02:13 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mac Guru:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr /> I invite you to ATTEMPT to find a parking spot for your truck. <hr /></blockquote>Well I'd like to call you on that one, my father lives in Madison and drives his F350 Extended Cab with Camper top around all the time, no parking issues, and no problem seeing other cars. It's called knowing how to drive a truck. Obviously you don't know how. He even parks with a 25ft. trailer on occasion.

As for this car tweaking, might I ask WHY you need 300 Horsepower? The only reasons I can think of are 1)you race professionally and it helps you win races or 2) you're in some sort of rush to get somewhere and love risking your life and the lives of those around you just to get there 5 min faster (I had a brother DIE because of this kind of immature bravado, it's not funny), or 3) you're compensating for something.

Personally I like living, and watching my daughter grow up. Honestly, if you drive according to the laws set by the Govt. you CAN get where you need to go in a timely fashion and if not, life isn't going to screach to a halt. Once you grow up, you'll realise how juvenile all this is.

Mac Guru
Jeep Cherokee<hr /></blockquote>Though I wouldn't opt to spend all that money to make a high-horsepower neon over certain other cars out there, in Ca$h's defense I do enjoy driving and driving with some speed, without being unsafe. Lots of horsepower helps me reach that speed faster. Driving is fun, and even more fun with more horsepower / torque.

kndonlee · Jun 19, 2002, 03:28 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> As for this car tweaking, might I ask WHY you need 300 Horsepower? The only reasons I can think of are 1)you race professionally and it helps you win races or 2) you're in some sort of rush to get somewhere and love risking your life and the lives of those around you just to get there 5 min faster (I had a brother DIE because of this kind of immature bravado, it's not funny), or 3) you're compensating for something.<hr /></blockquote>1) I don't race... but I do like to race...
2) That's true.. it is very dangerous. But when I drive like crazy.. I usually do 35 min drives in 15 mins... I don't condone it, since I've nearly killed myself a few times doing it, but it's an experience to learn from...fun but very very immature
3) I usually compensate for bad time management

But then again, there are some jerks on the road, that just won't let you pass them when you're in a hurry pulling 85mph... and they do the same... So I go to pass them? What do they do? They speed up and give me the finger... It's not like I'm tailing them and flashing my lights. Just going into the lane beside them to pass... ugh.. =p 1 instance 300 horses helps out, although i'm pretty content with about 150~200ish Another time is pulling into highways with massssive traffic. the difference between knowing you can make it into the highway, without being too much of a nuisance to other drivers on the road is nice. And then sometimes, there are some really nice truck drivers out there. But there are some really punk drivers out there that think they own the road and won't let ya pass... especially when they are goin friggin 50-55 in a 55 zone rather than 55-60.. =P

but then again.. I dunno what to say.. some people would describe me as crazy liking myself to drive 75~100 on highways and around 35~55 on local roads... but only when I'm late for school, or have a date to catch, or my life depeneded on my punctuality... otherwise.. a nice 10~20 over the limit i believe is reasonable...

Anyways... A lot of computer users really only need an average computer, but why do they get top of the line??? I dunno, just the luxury of being able to luanch MS Word a lit faster?? (although computers can't get into accidents whre lives are involved....

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Sealobo · Jun 19, 2002, 07:07 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mac Guru:

As for this car tweaking, might I ask WHY you need 300 Horsepower? The only reasons I can think of are 1)you race professionally and it helps you win races or 2) you're in some sort of rush to get somewhere and love risking your life and the lives of those around you just to get there 5 min faster (I had a brother DIE because of this kind of immature bravado, it's not funny), or 3) you're compensating for something.

Personally I like living, and watching my daughter grow up. Honestly, if you drive according to the laws set by the Govt. you CAN get where you need to go in a timely fashion and if not, life isn't going to screach to a halt. Once you grow up, you'll realise how juvenile all this is.

Mac Guru
Jeep Cherokee<hr /></blockquote>For some people, driving is more than getting from point A to point B. 300hps is a lot of power but it's ain't so under an experienced and skillful driver. Every driver has a limit on how much of a car he could handle. Obviously if you put a 300hps car into a 16 years old kid and he'd probably crash it in no time. But it's like a sport, everybody wants to get the best "equipment" obtainable, disregrading the fact that powerful cars are also more demanding when being pushed towards their limit.

Therefore, it's not about the cars, it's about the drivers. Some 300hps machines are there because some good drivers deserve to drive these awesome machine (given that they have the $), while some don't know jack about driving but o well they have the $ so what?...

Ca$h68 · Jun 19, 2002, 09:54 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by sek929:
Next summer I am going to get a 95-96 Vintage Toyota MR2 Spyder (240 Horse). Does about 5.4 stock, I'll get new exhaust and maybe some decent headers for it. Plus those biatches handle like razor knives. And rear wheel drive? Fuggettaboutit!!

<hr /></blockquote>Thats cool if you can afford it. AND THE INSURANCE. Must be nice having parents you can leech from. BUT. In the really real world, if you have to pay for parts, gas, and insurance, an MR2 isn't a practical college car.

- Ca$h

Ca$h68 · Jun 19, 2002, 10:05 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mac Guru:
Well I'd like to call you on that one, my father lives in Madison and drives his F350 Extended Cab with Camper top around all the time, no parking issues, and no problem seeing other cars. It's called knowing how to drive a truck. Obviously you don't know how. He even parks with a 25ft. trailer on occasion.<hr /></blockquote>Well, I'll call you on that one. Tell him to go park on Gorham street. He won't be able to. He must either be parking NOT downtown, or he has a parking ramp. But if you are DOWNTOWN, not 'in madison', but DOWNTOWN, parking a huge thing like that would be IMPOSSIBLE. Especially with a trailer.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />As for this car tweaking, might I ask WHY you need 300 Horsepower? The only reasons I can think of are 1)you race professionally and it helps you win races or 2) you're in some sort of rush to get somewhere and love risking your life and the lives of those around you just to get there 5 min faster (I had a brother DIE because of this kind of immature bravado, it's not funny), or 3) you're compensating for something.<hr /></blockquote>My car doesn't have 300hp. It has 140. The car we're talking about is Shawn's car, and he DOES race. It's his hobby. But I have reasons too.
1. Racing can be a hobby, it's fun.
2. I'm usually a little late, having more power would help.

3. Compensating for leaving earlier.
Having more power is FUN.
<blockquote>quote:<hr />
Personally I like living, and watching my daughter grow up. Honestly, if you drive according to the laws set by the Govt. you CAN get where you need to go in a timely fashion and if not, life isn't going to screach to a halt. Once you grow up, you'll realise how juvenile all this is.
<hr /></blockquote>Good for you Family Ties. I'm sure you get laid a lot too. All the women are like "Oohhh MacGuru you're so awesome when you go 60 in a 65 in your jeep cherokee! OOOhhhh!" Not that the point of going fast is poon at all, but jeeeez, you're a freaking dork.

- Ca$h

Macintosh · Jun 19, 2002, 01:57 PM

What about safety? I dont want to die when I get hit by a Corolla for God's sake! Seriously, I would rather ride in a golf cart than a car that could get totaled in a 20 mph crash.

Mac Guru · Jun 19, 2002, 05:31 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> Good for you Family Ties. I'm sure you get laid a lot too. All the women are like "Oohhh MacGuru you're so awesome when you go 60 in a 65 in your jeep cherokee! OOOhhhh!" Not that the point of going fast is poon at all, but jeeeez, you're a freaking dork.<hr /></blockquote>I'm glad you took the time to respond in such a mature manner. Seriously, your response is very telling that you are just a kid with more money than sense. I can get where I want, when I want to all the time without looking like a total moron. I see kids all the time driving their neons, honda's and mitsubishi's like they own the road. Exiting from the fast lane, weaving in and out of traffic and generally risking the lives of not only themselves but the lives of EVERYONE on the road. You may not know it but driving faster than the posted speed limit is HIGHLY dangerous as the posted limit is set so that traffic can flow in PERFECT conditions which NEVER exist. I admit that I drive on avg. 5-10 over the posted limit but I'm constantly reminded, by you kids on the news, just how dangerous driving is. Just last month we have lost 6 kids to high speed car accidents and they were ALL driving cars similar to the ones you talk about. It's idiotic to have all that in your car JUST because it's a fun hobby, BTW, are you a track only racer?

As for your mature reference to "getting laid", that's honestly none of your damned business. I have a 4 month old child, and that's all I'm going to share with you. You'll learn one of these days that chicks could really give a rats ass what you have under the hood of your car. But in order to learn THAT, you'd have to grow up,

Mac Guru

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sek929 · Jun 19, 2002, 05:39 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ca$h68:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by sek929:
Next summer I am going to get a 95-96 Vintage Toyota MR2 Spyder (240 Horse). Does about 5.4 stock, I'll get new exhaust and maybe some decent headers for it. Plus those biatches handle like razor knives. And rear wheel drive? Fuggettaboutit!!

<hr /></blockquote>Thats cool if you can afford it. AND THE INSURANCE. Must be nice having parents you can leech from. BUT. In the really real world, if you have to pay for parts, gas, and insurance, an MR2 isn't a practical college car.

- Ca$h<hr /></blockquote>Uhhhh a$$hole?

I work 50 hrs a week construction to pay for a car like that. And now that I no longer need to commute to go to school I pay for everything. I bet I work harder everyday than you do in a week

Plus its plenty practical. Great mileage, tiny, just enough room for one hot chick. And lets not forget about the speed and handling.

So yeah, next summer I will have about 5 g's in the bank, then I can take out a loan from my CD account (how I paid for my G4) and get the MR2 of my dreams.

[ 06-19-2002, 05:41 PM: Message edited by: sek929 ]