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zadak · Jun 1, 2002, 08:56 PM

The Calculator sure looks like TopCalculette if you look at the features. And thats good, because TopCalculette rules but is but ugly.

roger

<a href="http://www.RubenSoft.com/Products/TopCalculette3_US.html" target="_blank">TopCalculette</a>

00101001 · Jun 1, 2002, 11:03 PM

Wait - so if you set your desktop pic to change every x seconds... will it fade between them - like in the screensaver? that would be REALLY sweet!

Synotic · Jun 1, 2002, 11:32 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 00101001:
Wait - so if you set your desktop pic to change every x seconds... will it fade between them - like in the screensaver? that would be REALLY sweet!<hr /></blockquote>Seconds?!

JC Denton · Jun 1, 2002, 11:50 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Synotic:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 00101001:
Wait - so if you set your desktop pic to change every x seconds... will it fade between them - like in the screensaver? that would be REALLY sweet!<hr /></blockquote>Seconds?!<hr /></blockquote>And that's surprising to you?

Trust me, there are an awful lot of spazzes on this forum. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

But, of course, when you're a unfeeling, nano-auged, killing machine like me, everyone seems like a spaz.

kangoo_boo · Jun 2, 2002, 12:08 AM

u can each 5s
but no shading just a noticeable CPU hit
on dual 1Ghz should be quite ok though <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

00101001 · Jun 2, 2002, 08:10 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JC Denton:
Trust me, there are an awful lot of spazzes on this forum. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
[/QB]<hr /></blockquote>Why am I a spaz? <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" />

restbeckett · Jun 2, 2002, 08:49 AM

I jsut wanted to know: how do I run the Installer program to install stuff. When prompted for a user/pass I enter root/pass but nothing happens! Can somebody tell me how please.

Mac Zealot · Jun 2, 2002, 08:49 AM

Dang that's awesome.

What I'd love to see: an option to have a 'dock' for each monitor.. the main one having the defaut stuff and the secondary monitors having only the windows and programs you want to launch on there.

This would be great for the fact of knowing where your windows would be, etc

restbeckett · Jun 2, 2002, 09:03 AM

By the way, has anybody been able to make the dock transparent like back in X.1? TransparentDock (from versiontracker) doesn't seem to do it anymore.

tobster · Jun 2, 2002, 10:04 AM

Trekkie... are you the Trekkie from the blueberry ibook server? Jef's that is... Sekkurinn here

- tobs

tojo · Jun 2, 2002, 10:05 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by kman42:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by theolein:
Bad post. Doesn't work.<hr /></blockquote>I really don't think NASA spent 12B dollars to develop a pen.

kman<hr /></blockquote>No, they most certainly did not. It's a stupid urban legend. A gentleman by the name of Paul C. Fisher developed the pen on his own dime. He spent a considerable amount of money designing the pen (I don't remember the cost, but it has high).

In the end, he sold the pens to NASA for like $3 or $4 bucks a pop. I'm assuming it took him quite some time to recoup his costs. Although, I don't think it was ever his intention to make money on the pens. He was just being patriotic and helping out the brave souls that were going into space.

Both the NASA and the Russian space agency use the pen now.

Anyway, the urban legend is debunked all over the internet and in plenty of publications.

--
tojo

Marienbad · Jun 2, 2002, 11:13 AM

Wow. What the heck happened to this thread? A real stream of consciousness going on here.

restbeckett · Jun 2, 2002, 04:35 PM

stream-of-consciousness? WTF?

Trekkie · Jun 2, 2002, 05:22 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 00101001:
Wait - so if you set your desktop pic to change every x seconds... will it fade between them - like in the screensaver? that would be REALLY sweet!<hr /></blockquote>Yep, just like with the screensaver.

kangoo_boo · Jun 2, 2002, 05:42 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Trekkie:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 00101001:
Wait - so if you set your desktop pic to change every x seconds... will it fade between them - like in the screensaver? that would be REALLY sweet!<hr /></blockquote>Yep, just like with the screensaver.

<hr /></blockquote>hu no i don't agree it doesn't fade

Sarc · Jun 2, 2002, 07:59 PM

well what picture do they use for Computer in Jag ?
Since the imac is gone ...

Sarc

Mediaman_12 · Jun 2, 2002, 08:04 PM

Well the options in the NEW Sherlock seam fairly specialized, with the likely hood of most of them being of limited use outside of N America.
Can you 'quit' (ie close all of it's multiple windows at once) the new 'Search' panel? This really irritated me in the Jag build I tried out.

Anybody who installed Jag. Do you know that the improved 'Preview.app' & 'Terminal.app' still work under 10.1.4 <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

[ 06-02-2002, 08:27 PM: Message edited by: Mediaman_12 ]

piracy · Jun 2, 2002, 08:20 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Sarc:
well what picture do they use for Computer in Jag ?
Since the imac is gone ...

Sarc<hr /></blockquote>It's still a classic iMac. So CTFD. (That was an acronym I coined earlier. If any one missed it, it's Calm The F*ck Down.)

00101001 · Jun 2, 2002, 09:44 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by kangoo_boo:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Trekkie:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 00101001:
Wait - so if you set your desktop pic to change every x seconds... will it fade between them - like in the screensaver? that would be REALLY sweet!<hr /></blockquote>Yep, just like with the screensaver.

<hr /></blockquote>hu no i don't agree it doesn't fade<hr /></blockquote>Ok - do both of you have 6C48??? 'cause I am seriously confused.

Brazuca · Jun 3, 2002, 12:06 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by tojo:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by kman42:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by theolein:
Bad post. Doesn't work.<hr /></blockquote>I really don't think NASA spent 12B dollars to develop a pen.

kman<hr /></blockquote>No, they most certainly did not. It's a stupid urban legend. A gentleman by the name of Paul C. Fisher developed the pen on his own dime. He spent a considerable amount of money designing the pen (I don't remember the cost, but it has high).

In the end, he sold the pens to NASA for like $3 or $4 bucks a pop. I'm assuming it took him quite some time to recoup his costs. Although, I don't think it was ever his intention to make money on the pens. He was just being patriotic and helping out the brave souls that were going into space.

Both the NASA and the Russian space agency use the pen now.

Anyway, the urban legend is debunked all over the internet and in plenty of publications.

--
tojo<hr /></blockquote>I heard that while NASA spent millions to develop the pen for astronauts, the Russians just used pencils...

Chaaaosss · Jun 3, 2002, 01:10 AM

The desktop pictures DO fade. This is the best feature I've ever seen! I love it!!

R5-D4's Popped Motivator · Jun 3, 2002, 02:47 AM

More killer features to impress, umm, possibly only me:

Ok, so the desktop pic crossfades while changing, nice, and the dock slides in from screens's edge at login, but:

- Does the menubar still just 'appear', spoiling my user experience, when logging in?

- Does the desktop pic fade in when logging in?

R5/D4/PM

Trekkie · Jun 3, 2002, 03:04 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by kangoo_boo:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Trekkie:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 00101001:
Wait - so if you set your desktop pic to change every x seconds... will it fade between them - like in the screensaver? that would be REALLY sweet!<hr /></blockquote>Yep, just like with the screensaver.

<hr /></blockquote>hu no i don't agree it doesn't fade<hr /></blockquote>You might wanna check again because they do crossfade like in the screensavers. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

ASIMO · Jun 3, 2002, 03:06 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by R5-D4's Popped Motivator:
More killer features to impress, umm, possibly only me:

Ok, so the desktop pic crossfades while changing, nice, and the dock slides in from screens's edge at login, but:

- Does the menubar still just 'appear', spoiling my user experience, when logging in?

- Does the desktop pic fade in when logging in?

R5/D4/PM<hr /></blockquote>Wow. Gotta admire your sense of priorities, guys. In a way, though, this is strangely uplifting. Mac users indeed.

Jim Paradise · Jun 3, 2002, 04:15 AM

Damn...

Some nice thoughts (if your machine supports QE)... (*perhaps wishful thoughts?*)

Set it so you have, oh lets say 50 different pictures that change every 4 seconds on your desktop. They're crossfading while you have one mini window open playing a music video, a larger window open playing some MPEG4 in QT6 while you have a bouncing icon in the dock and are burning a cd... This is while you're chattin' it up on ICQ or doin' some file sharing via iChat. And for the very geeky out there... let's say you're using your comp as a webserver, doin' some geeky stuff in a transparent terminal window over top of the QT6 MPEG4 window... heh!

And so while your Windows friends are puzzled that you're doing this all on a G4/400 with a 32MB card (your choice) you decide to push it a little further....

All right kiddies- so expand on this and indulge your Jaguar fantasies!

[ 06-03-2002, 04:16 AM: Message edited by: Jim Paradise ]

R5-D4's Popped Motivator · Jun 3, 2002, 05:04 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ASIMO:
Wow. Gotta admire your sense of priorities, guys. In a way, though, this is strangely uplifting. Mac users indeed.<hr /></blockquote>

Obviously, Apple has on number of people dedicated to this sorta stuff on their payroll, doing stuff that isn't really fucntionally 'usable' in the strict sense, but arguably very functional from a 'holistic experience' viewpoint.

It benefits both marketing (the wow-factor) and the everyday users life quality (oh, the delightful attention to detail-factor).

As for priorities, yeah, I'd still prefer great usability/legibility + 10 other -bility kinds of improvements over eye candy.

BTW,

if something is both Snappy� and Lickable� at the same time, how does that taste/feel. Hurts my tongue trying to imagine.

R5/D4/PM

kangoo_boo · Jun 3, 2002, 08:08 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Trekkie:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by kangoo_boo:
hu no i don't agree it doesn't fade<hr /></blockquote>You might wanna check again because they do crossfade like in the screensavers. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> [/QB]<hr /></blockquote>may be it's because my comp is too slow, or just because it's QE stuff then, because it really don't fade here <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> (but it lags a lot before changing, then boom)

btw someone asked me about character palette support
i do not know exactly what it is but it's with the keymaps and has a dogcow icon
probably someone with a character palette would know

may be it's just inkwell stuff

Scribble · Jun 3, 2002, 09:15 AM

Any hint of iSub support yet?

Anyone with stuttering audio issues see any improvement yet?

Hobbes · Jun 3, 2002, 09:44 AM

How are the Firewall settings? This thread is the first I've heard about built-in firewall configuring. Is the configuration options a front end for ipfw? How do the configuration options compare to BrickHouse?

Thanks

murk · Jun 3, 2002, 10:46 AM

I hear Apple spent 12 billion dollars developing the technology to crossfade between desktop pictures. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Mediaman_12 · Jun 3, 2002, 11:08 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by restbeckett:
By the way, has anybody been able to make the dock transparent like back in X.1? TransparentDock (from versiontracker) doesn't seem to do it anymore.<hr /></blockquote>I poked around in the Dock.app hoping to find the pdf's so I could make my 10.1.4 Dock look like the one in Jag. All I discovered is that the Dock no longer uses pdf's within the package to display the Dock background. So it looks like 10.5(?) marks the end for custom Dock backgrounds, including transparent ones. <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" />

Liudger · Jun 3, 2002, 11:41 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by kangoo_boo:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Trekkie:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by 00101001:
Wait - so if you set your desktop pic to change every x seconds... will it fade between them - like in the screensaver? that would be REALLY sweet!<hr /></blockquote>Yep, just like with the screensaver.

<hr /></blockquote>hu no i don't agree it doesn't fade<hr /></blockquote>It does fade!!! I have installed it on new drive and had no troubles. Like the installer bug never happened to me. Everything worked! Even DVD-player (also updated) it has a built in sort of screensaver when you pause dvd player for a few minutes, really cool!! Ink works ok with tablet if you move pen over tablet (pressed) it start recording. You see a yellow box around written words. And it recognized good like old newton devices.
Also spell checker is updated. I hope other languages will be supported soon. Zeroconfig works. You still need some experience with networks. It has a few flaws. Also Airport router is enabled so you can use your mac as basestation.

That's all what i have to report.

I can't use OS X 10.2 as main system because still many apps don't work well. (photoshop trouble and more apps)
But the System rocks

kangoo_boo · Jun 3, 2002, 12:05 PM

liudger -> see my last post before replying a higher one

captain swing · Jun 3, 2002, 12:14 PM

in jaguar, spring loaded folders did not work properly. the opening window centered on the cursor which meant that often part of the window was on the screen and part of it was not ... eg when opening the hard drive. has this been fixed?
swing

wingdo · Jun 3, 2002, 12:34 PM

I noticed that Calculator and Sherlock now has that stupid brushed metal finish as well.

Someone somewhere must like that look, but it isn't me.

Jack Shedd · Jun 3, 2002, 03:59 PM

Is the new Jaguar beta included with the June AppleSeed mailing? I just installed from the discs, and, to my surprise, it's only 6c35. WTF?

Immortal K-Mart Employee · Jun 3, 2002, 04:01 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by wingdo:
I noticed that Calculator and Sherlock now has that stupid brushed metal finish as well.

Someone somewhere must like that look, but it isn't me.<hr /></blockquote>I actually like it. I think is is just the trend to hate it for no reason.

Adam Betts · Jun 3, 2002, 04:47 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by murk:
I hear Apple spent 12 billion dollars developing the technology to crossfade between desktop pictures. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

<hr /></blockquote>I hear Apple doesn't even have 12 billion dollars.

Adam Betts · Jun 3, 2002, 04:52 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by wingdo:
I noticed that Calculator and Sherlock now has that stupid brushed metal finish as well.

Someone somewhere must like that look, but it isn't me.<hr /></blockquote>When I found out that some apps will have metal finishing, I was very ****ed off cuz I hate the way it look. Well, after I got Jaguar and using it for a while, I must say that I really love it and I understand why they want it to be in metal finishing. I'd rather calculator to be in metal instead of aqua which make the app feel so cheap.

murk · Jun 3, 2002, 05:18 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Adam Betts:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by murk:
I hear Apple spent 12 billion dollars developing the technology to crossfade between desktop pictures. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

<hr /></blockquote>I hear Apple doesn't even have 12 billion dollars.<hr /></blockquote>NASA supplied the funds.

JC Denton · Jun 3, 2002, 05:19 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by R5-D4's Popped Motivator:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ASIMO:
Wow. Gotta admire your sense of priorities, guys. In a way, though, this is strangely uplifting. Mac users indeed.<hr /></blockquote>

Obviously, Apple has on number of people dedicated to this sorta stuff on their payroll, doing stuff that isn't really fucntionally 'usable' in the strict sense, but arguably very functional from a 'holistic experience' viewpoint.

It benefits both marketing (the wow-factor) and the everyday users life quality (oh, the delightful attention to detail-factor).

As for priorities, yeah, I'd still prefer great usability/legibility + 10 other -bility kinds of improvements over eye candy.

<hr /></blockquote>My favorite tidbit from John Siracusa's overview of Mac OS X 10.0.0:

"Exercise: compare the Aqua Icons screen saver to the traditional "flying Windows Logo" screensaver that Microsoft ships. That's the difference between Apple and Microsoft in a nutshell."

Even though Apple has made its share of mistakes, that difference is what kepps me a (mostly) happy Mac user.

HAbaRI · Jun 3, 2002, 05:24 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Immortal K-Mart Employee:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by wingdo:
I noticed that Calculator and Sherlock now has that stupid brushed metal finish as well.

Someone somewhere must like that look, but it isn't me.<hr /></blockquote>I actually like it. I think is is just the trend to hate it for no reason.<hr /></blockquote>i have got a good reason - not to hate - but to dislike it. when you bring another program without windows to the foreground, you will notice no difference in the window of the brushed metal app (maybe exept for the buttons - which turn grey) - so you have to look at the applications name in the menue to make sure you've already switched. an aqua window in the background gets a transparent titlebar.

thats my problem with it: no apparent status change between foreground and background.

lookmark · Jun 3, 2002, 05:49 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by HAbaRI:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Immortal K-Mart Employee:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by wingdo:
I noticed that Calculator and Sherlock now has that stupid brushed metal finish as well.

Someone somewhere must like that look, but it isn't me.<hr /></blockquote>I actually like it. I think is is just the trend to hate it for no reason.<hr /></blockquote><hr /></blockquote>I think it looks pretty good (for appropriate apps), but what confounds me is the way Apple has opened it up for developer use willy-nilly w/o a single guideline to how it should be used.

I assume that's coming soon. I'll be very interested to see it.

p.s. By the way, has any one noticed Apple's emerging philosophy on skinning, which has been to provide developers, instead of users, w/ the opportunity to skin? Metal/Textured is working much like QuickTime skins, introduced in QT 5.

[ 06-03-2002, 05:51 PM: Message edited by: lookmark ]

kcmac · Jun 3, 2002, 06:41 PM

I thought the brushed metal look could be turned off?

lookmark · Jun 3, 2002, 06:47 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by kcmac:
I thought the brushed metal look could be turned off?<hr /></blockquote>If you're the developer and you toggle a switch and recompile the app, yes.

Otherwise: no.

iJed · Jun 3, 2002, 06:58 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lookmark:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by kcmac:
I thought the brushed metal look could be turned off?<hr /></blockquote>If you're the developer and you toggle a switch and recompile the app, yes.

Otherwise: no.<hr /></blockquote>I would think that you could just open the nib files in the app bundle and toggle this option on or off. No need to recompile the app.

BuonRotto · Jun 3, 2002, 07:16 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lookmark:
...what confounds me is the way Apple has opened it up for developer use willy-nilly w/o a single guideline to how it should be used.

I assume that's coming soon. I'll be very interested to see it.<hr /></blockquote>I agree 100%. Good news: it's open. Bad news: no guidelines. Like so many other things in Jaguar, there's nothing yet on the developer pages out this, but I would expect there to be much more when Jaguar arrives.

Another question about Jag releases: I've heard in very general terms that the help system is getting an overhaul. Any truth to this yet? One thing I miss from the old Mac OS was how it would walk you through things one step at a time, circling the right button, opening the right dialog, etc. I think it would be great to get that kind of functionality and the means for everyone to implement it easily. any news or new stuff on this front?

starfleetX · Jun 3, 2002, 10:11 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by iJed:
I would think that you could just open the nib files in the app bundle and toggle this option on or off. No need to recompile the app.<hr /></blockquote>I would think that you are not a developer. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

starfleetX · Jun 3, 2002, 10:14 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by BuonRotto:
I've heard in very general terms that the help system is getting an overhaul. Any truth to this yet?<hr /></blockquote>Yes.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />One thing I miss from the old Mac OS was how it would walk you through things one step at a time, circling the right button, opening the right dialog, etc. I think it would be great to get that kind of functionality and the means for everyone to implement it easily. any news or new stuff on this front?<hr /></blockquote>No.

I miss that functionality too.

Mac-arthur · Jun 3, 2002, 11:17 PM

Not to get back on subject...but I just noticed...Replace all is back!

A check box instead of a button doesn't make much sense to me but what the heck at least it's back!