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icruise · Nov 14, 2006, 12:19 AM

Originally Posted by Gabriel Morales

What the hell is going on with Nintendo? I must say I've become more concerned, more cautious and a little less enthusiastic lately in regards to the Wii as this type of news has come out. I feel like Nintendo has let us down in some regards.

So we have to buy Classic controllers as well as GameCube controllers if we want to play both Classic as well as GameCube games??!

There seems to be a lot of confusion on this point. I think we'll just have to wait and see.

That "surprise announcement" Nintendo says it has yet to make on launch of the Wii better be pretty special to re-kindle the fire in many a fan who feels let down so far.

There is no surprise, at least according to the president of Nintendo.

starman · Nov 14, 2006, 02:32 AM

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

Excite Truck does this apparently.

It's obvious that starman and SWG wanted to hate the Nintendo console from the get go... now theyre just nit picking at every single detail and blowing it out of proportions (even though they claim to be "objective")

Proof?

Show ONE post I made where I said "I HATE NINTENDO".

I'm trying to not blow $250 on a piece of ****.

starman · Nov 14, 2006, 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

Agreed.... i was over generalizing..... it's just these 2 guys i guess

Uh, no...again....show me ONE post I made like that where I'm trying not to throw my money away on something that might not work properly. You keep calling me a "Nintendo Hater". I have a f'ing DS Lite and 2 DS's. I have 2 PSPs. I have neither a Wii or PS3 on preorder.

As mentioned a long time ago, you FANBOYS see anything remotely NEUTRAL and call it hateful.

goMac · Nov 14, 2006, 02:49 AM

Originally Posted by starman

Uh, no...again....show me ONE post I made like that where I'm trying not to throw my money away on something that might not work properly. You keep calling me a "Nintendo Hater". I have a f'ing DS Lite and 2 DS's. I have 2 PSPs. I have neither a Wii or PS3 on preorder.

As mentioned a long time ago, you FANBOYS see anything remotely NEUTRAL and call it hateful.

Could have something to do with you and SWG completely railing on both the Wii and the DS even before we ever had concrete details on both. (I recall you both were railing on the Wii even before the control scheme).

At least you don't buy into the Bluray nonsense, so I have to give you some not-fanboy credit on that.

icruise · Nov 14, 2006, 02:54 AM

Originally Posted by starman

As mentioned a long time ago, you FANBOYS see anything remotely NEUTRAL and call it hateful.

You actually think you're being neutral? Wow.

Jawbone54 · Nov 14, 2006, 03:06 AM

Originally Posted by starman

As mentioned a long time ago, you FANBOYS see anything remotely NEUTRAL and call it hateful.

Kerrigan · Nov 14, 2006, 03:14 AM

Wii sports looks truly pitiful

Wii gameplay video (Wii Sports and The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess) - Engadget

goMac · Nov 14, 2006, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

Wii sports looks truly pitiful

Wii gameplay video (Wii Sports and The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess) - Engadget

It's gotten good reviews, but it's not one of the games I'm personally going for. I'll give it a try on Thanksgiving with friends and see what they think (if I get a Wii, I don't have a pre-order).

Hawkeye_a · Nov 14, 2006, 03:19 AM

"Wii Sports, a collection of cartoonish tennis, baseball, bowling, golf and boxing scenarios, comes with the system. I had presumed that it was merely an elaborate demonstration of the Wii Remote, which responds to natural motions rather than arcane button combinations. I discovered quickly that it might be the greatest videogame ever made." - Time Magazine (Link)

Hmmm...Kerrigan+Engadget or Time Magazine......i for one cant descide.

PS>> Wii sports isnt for me...im not into it. but i think if we post reviews, they aught to be from reputable sources, not bloggers.

Jawbone54 · Nov 14, 2006, 03:22 AM

Wii Sports is a simple introductory game for the Wii. It's not supposed to be a killer app. It's free with the system...what do you expect? Zelda: TP?

Chuckit · Nov 14, 2006, 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by Hawkeye_a

"Wii Sports, a collection of cartoonish tennis, baseball, bowling, golf and boxing scenarios, comes with the system. I had presumed that it was merely an elaborate demonstration of the Wii Remote, which responds to natural motions rather than arcane button combinations. I discovered quickly that it might be the greatest videogame ever made." - Time Magazine (Link)

Hmmm...Kerrigan+Engadget or Time Magazine......i for one cant descide.

PS>> Wii sports isnt for me...im not into it. but i think if we post reviews, they aught to be from reputable sources, not bloggers.

Some guy who writes for Time has a more reputable personal opinion on video games than some guy who writes for Engadget?

Hawkeye_a · Nov 14, 2006, 06:09 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Some guy who writes for Time has a more reputable personal opinion on video games than some guy who writes for Engadget?

Unbiased is more like it. Engadget and Joystiq being bloggs usually run by the "hardcore", i wouldnt exactly rely on their unbiased opinions. Thats all. Just like i wouldnt rely on PC World for an unbiased survey on home computing.

Gamoe · Nov 14, 2006, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by icruise

There is no surprise, at least according to the president of Nintendo.

It's funny, but he didn't actually deny a surprise, just said that what was in the retail box was set. I never expected it otherwise. The "surprise" might be pertinent to Nintendo's online Wii system, or the Wii might even have some unsaid capability (though unlikely), which doesn't contradict that it's been "set" and "in the box". I tend to believe the former, however. We still don't know much about the online aspect anyway.

Jolt21 · Nov 14, 2006, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

Wii sports looks truly pitiful

Wii gameplay video (Wii Sports and The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess) - Engadget

this is also why Nintendo gives it to you for FREE

it is not a real video game, but an elaborate way to get accustomed to the controller

a great idea and addition if you ask me.

Jolt21 · Nov 14, 2006, 10:02 AM

Originally Posted by starman

As mentioned a long time ago, you FANBOYS see anything remotely NEUTRAL and call it hateful.

you aren't neutral, you have actually been saying wrong information

i.e. mario not using an analog stick and buttons.

Dakar² · Nov 14, 2006, 10:04 AM

Man all this arguing sure has me Wii-nded.

starman · Nov 14, 2006, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by Jolt21

you aren't neutral, you have actually been saying wrong information

i.e. mario not using an analog stick a buttons.

Huh? Not only do I not know what you're talking about, that sentence makes no sense.

Dark Helmet · Nov 14, 2006, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by icruise

Are you being intentionally dense? What I am saying is that there are more options than just CDs or piracy. In fact, I'm pretty insulted by starman's comment (although it wasn't addressed to me). Lots of people don't buy CDs and are not pirates.

Not unless you burn it to a CD and re-rip it.

Yes I get what you are saying but we were talking about the Wii and CD's and not copy protected music etc.

So you are saying you CAN burn music CD's and then put it on the Wii and rip it? Cuz last I heard it doesn't read CD's.

Jawbone54 · Nov 14, 2006, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

Man all this arguing sure has me Wii-nded.

You belong in Vegas, friend.

Dakar² · Nov 14, 2006, 12:25 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

You belong in Vegas, friend.

A testament to my quality, no doubt. Or amorality. I forget which forum we're in -- I mean Wii're in.

Jawbone54 · Nov 14, 2006, 01:16 PM

Question: With only 512 MB of internal memory, where are we supposed to store Virtual Console games? Is it possible to hook up an external hard drive to the Wii, so you can actually keep all of these wonderful classic games?

And how will some of those games look hooked up to an HDTV? Muddy?

icruise · Nov 14, 2006, 01:19 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

So you are saying you CAN burn music CD's and then put it on the Wii and rip it? Cuz last I heard it doesn't read CD's.

I'm saying you have to burn it, rip it using something like iTunes, put it on an SD card and then put it in the Wii.

By the way, I was experimenting with the custom tracks feature on the Xbox 360 the other day and while it is pretty good, I was surprised that there doesn't seem to be any way to import MP3s -- you have to put in an actual CD and then rip it using the Xbox, which is time-consuming. Especially if all of your music is in digital form, meaning that you have to burn it to CD first. Did I miss something, or is this the way it works? I was hoping to just put an MP3 CD in and have it copy it to the hard disk.

goMac · Nov 14, 2006, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

Question: With only 512 MB of internal memory, where are we supposed to store Virtual Console games? Is it possible to hook up an external hard drive to the Wii, so you can actually keep all of these wonderful classic games?

You can apparently hook up an external HD or put more flash memory into the Wii.

Each N64 game is only 20 megs, so 512 megs isn't too bad.

icruise · Nov 14, 2006, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

Question: With only 512 MB of internal memory, where are we supposed to store Virtual Console games? Is it possible to hook up an external hard drive to the Wii, so you can actually keep all of these wonderful classic games?

Well, 512MB of memory is actually quite a lot when games start at a few hundred KB and go up to 32MB for Nintendo 64 games. And can't you store them on an SD card?

And how will some of those games look hooked up to an HDTV? Muddy?

Probably.

Dark Helmet · Nov 14, 2006, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

By the way, I was experimenting with the custom tracks feature on the Xbox 360 the other day and while it is pretty good, I was surprised that there doesn't seem to be any way to import MP3s -- you have to put in an actual CD and then rip it using the Xbox, which is time-consuming.

Not sure as I use connect 360 so the Xbox can connect to my Mac's and use all the MP3's, podcasts and even internet radio streams on them flawlessly.

Much better than having to take up HD space and re-encode all your favorite songs.

icruise · Nov 14, 2006, 01:39 PM

Yes, I thought about getting Connect 360, but I wish it allowed you to stream video too.

Dakar² · Nov 14, 2006, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

Yes, I thought about getting Connect 360, but I wish it allowed you to stream porn too.

Don't we all.

ort888 · Nov 14, 2006, 01:48 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

Question: With only 512 MB of internal memory, where are we supposed to store Virtual Console games? Is it possible to hook up an external hard drive to the Wii, so you can actually keep all of these wonderful classic games?

And how will some of those games look hooked up to an HDTV? Muddy?

Any SD card will work.

I've found that old NES and SNES games look pretty good on an HDTV, it's older 3D games that look like crap. N64 and PS1 look really bad. Most PS2/Xbox/Cube games look pretty good but some look like crap.

Dark Helmet · Nov 14, 2006, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

Yes, I thought about getting Connect 360, but I wish it allowed you to stream video too.

I think the new version of connect 360 does let you do just that.

Anywho, review of the Wii. Pretty much it looks horrendous but is fun:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2058427,00.asp

Wish it was both pretty and fun.

Dark Helmet · Nov 14, 2006, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by ort888

I've found that old NES and SNES games look pretty good on an HDTV, it's older 3D games that look like crap. N64 and PS1 look really bad. Most PS2/Xbox/Cube games look pretty good but some look like crap.

Yep, 2D games all look fine but when you throw in 3D from a n64 and almost all GC stuff on an HDTV it looks really bad.

PS2 are good for the most part and Xbox 1 looks very good.

Dakar² · Nov 14, 2006, 02:10 PM

N64 3d was shady back when it debuted...

Dark Helmet · Nov 14, 2006, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

N64 3d was shady back when it debuted...

I think you mean foggy

Anywho here is some people playing some games.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/12/w...elda-twilight/

When it got to Zelda I remembered the one thing I can't stand out the series, those annoying text conversations with silly background grunts and sounds. It is so boring and dated I'll take a cut scene over that anyday.

Can't wait to play it but the first couple hours are supposed to be a snooze.

Jawbone54 · Nov 14, 2006, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

I think the new version of connect 360 does let you do just that.

Anywho, review of the Wii. Pretty much it looks horrendous but is fun:

Nintendo Wii review by PC Magazine

Wish it was both pretty and fun.

Read it, and it sounds a lot more positive than your post seemed to indicate, to be honest. The guy also said he hadn't tested out the 480p yet.

goMac · Nov 14, 2006, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

Read it, and it sounds a lot more positive than your post seemed to indicate, to be honest. The guy also said he hadn't tested out the 480p yet.

I was actually about to post that article as a positive review. Funny SWG posted it as a negative one.

I haven't heard this "first few hours of Zelda are boring" nonsense either. I mean, I bet it's not super exciting, but that's been true of every Zelda game ever.

Fortunately with SWG buying the Cube version we won't have to listen to Zelda whining for a bit...

Millennium · Nov 14, 2006, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Anywho, review of the Wii. Pretty much it looks horrendous but is fun:

Nintendo Wii review by PC Magazine

Wish it was both pretty and fun.

You won't get that until the industry remembers that graphics aren't the only thing in gaming. For that, frankly, the only cure is going to be a console that forces them to sell their games through other methods for a while, i.e. the Wii.

That's the thing, SWG. I don't actually oppose good graphics at all. What I oppose is an industry that has forgotten how to do anything but graphics. Whatever else the Wii might be, it's a wake-up call to the industry, and that's worth supporting.

goMac · Nov 14, 2006, 02:56 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Yep, 2D games all look fine but when you throw in 3D from a n64 and almost all GC stuff on an HDTV it looks really bad.

When I play Smash with my girlfriend and her friends it's usually on an HDTV, and honestly, it doesn't look that bad. The bars are the only thing that bothers me.

Dark Helmet · Nov 14, 2006, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

I was actually about to post that article as a positive review. Funny SWG posted it as a negative one.

I haven't heard this "first few hours of Zelda are boring" nonsense either. I mean, I bet it's not super exciting, but that's been true of every Zelda game ever.

Fortunately with SWG buying the Cube version we won't have to listen to Zelda whining for a bit...

First I said both one positive and one negative. How does that make it a negative post? Unless one negative isn't possible for the Wii.

I'm not the one that said "first few hours of Zelda are boring" so don't hold it over my head. It has been said by at least 3 reviews in the past 24 hours.

I never said I was buying the cube version, I said I have to get the wii JUST for Zelda. Pay attention.

Dark Helmet · Nov 14, 2006, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Millennium

That's the thing, SWG. I don't actually oppose good graphics at all. What I oppose is an industry that has forgotten how to do anything but graphics. Whatever else the Wii might be, it's a wake-up call to the industry, and that's worth supporting.

Hey that's cool and I agree with you. I just want to know what you think everyone who has an Xbox 360 is doing? Looking at the graphics and being bored to death otherwise?

I have seen more new and exciting stuff from PS2 and xbox 1 & 2 in terms of gameplay over Nintendo since the gamecube came out.

If anything it is the SECOND wakeup call for Nintendo. They said they learnt from the N64 but repeated it with the GC. Now they say they learnt from the cube but we have to see.

On that note it seems the "DVD playing Wii" is getting software DVD playback. If that is the case why not make it a download from day 1 and not having to wait till next year and buy new hardware for a software change?

goMac · Nov 14, 2006, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

If that is the case why not make it a download from day 1 and not having to wait till next year and buy new hardware for a software change?

What's to say they won't make it a download?

Jawbone54 · Nov 14, 2006, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

First I said both one positive and one negative. How does that make it a negative post? Unless one negative isn't possible for the Wii.

I'm not the one that said "first few hours of Zelda are boring" so don't hold it over my head. It has been said by at least 3 reviews in the past 24 hours.

I never said I was buying the cube version, I said I have to get the wii JUST for Zelda. Pay attention.

Anywho, review of the Wii. Pretty much it looks horrendous but is fun:

Exaggerated the negative (horrendous - not mentioned in the article) and downplayed the positive (but is fun) begrudginlgy, apparently.

At least that's the way it felt. Your intentions might have been completely different, like you said. But that's just part of posting on the Internet.

Chuckit · 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

Exaggerated the negative (horrendous - not mentioned in the article) and downplayed the positive (but is fun) begrudginlgy, apparently.

At least that's the way it felt. Your intentions might have been completely different, like you said. But that's just part of posting on the Internet.

I wouldn't say "horrendous" is an unfair synonym for "terrible."

starman · Nov 14, 2006, 04:34 PM

Jim Lauderback is a VERY fair reviewer and he did say in the first or second paragraph that the graphics were terrible.

Dark Helmet · Nov 14, 2006, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by goMac

What's to say they won't make it a download?

Even though the press is being told by Nintendo that it is a "Software upgrade from some 3rd party" they also said it is more than just a software update whatever that means. So in other words you can't upgrade your normal wii.

All that aside it would suck as a DVD player as it has no 5.1 audio out which every cheap DVD player does.

Dark Helmet · Nov 14, 2006, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Jawbone54

Exaggerated the negative (horrendous - not mentioned in the article) and downplayed the positive (but is fun) begrudginlgy, apparently.

Whatever

Every review of zelda has said it looks like a gamecube title and is jaggy. Actually they really mean it looks like a gamecube game as the GC version looks the same. Call that horrendous or bad but either way it means the same thing.

Dark Helmet · Nov 14, 2006, 05:03 PM

Weird review as always from IGN:
IGN: Wii Sports Review

They HATE, boxing and golf, baseball is ok in short bits and the graphics are primitive "on purpose" but they love bowling but want a more advanced one. Result: 7.5

Chuckit · Nov 14, 2006, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Dark Helmet

Weird review as always from IGN:
IGN: Wii Sports Review

They HATE, boxing and golf, baseball is ok in short bits and the graphics are primitive "on purpose" but they love bowling but want a more advanced one. Result: 7.5

Not bad for a free game, overall.

Jawbone54 · Nov 14, 2006, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Not bad for a free game, overall.

Indeed.

Anyone want to make any bets as to when Zelda:TP goes platinum?

icruise · Nov 14, 2006, 06:03 PM

The whole purpose of Wii Sports is to introduce people to the various ways that the controller can be used. If it's a fun little game, that's basically a bonus. People complaining about the graphics just don't get it.

Jawbone54 · Nov 14, 2006, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

The whole purpose of Wii Sports is to introduce people to the various ways that the controller can be used. If it's a fun little game, that's basically a bonus. People complaining about the graphics just don't get it.

Nor will the people who disagree with our opinion get it. I guess it's just two completely different mindsets. There's likely nothing that will change it.

Dark Helmet · Nov 14, 2006, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by icruise

The whole purpose of Wii Sports is to introduce people to the various ways that the controller can be used. If it's a fun little game, that's basically a bonus. People complaining about the graphics just don't get it.

True but can you say the same about Zelda's bad graphics?