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lavar78 · Jan 6, 2005, 10:20 PM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Hey, quantity of quality fine. Not that it has all bad games but they are definitely not all that good.

It has more great games than the PSP and DS, which appear to have a grand total of zero. I could be wrong. Still, all signs point to the GBA having better quality as well as quantity at this point.

yes it is the most portable and has the best battery life, but so do game systems from the 80's. Most people wouldn't agree with you on that one.

To which 80s system are you referring? I can't think of a handheld system from back then that's more portable than the GBA SP or has a better battery (let alone one that has a better library). I sure as hell can't think of one that has all three.

For me it is screen quality and games and that means the PSP is for me.

Games?

Which of those PSP launch titles has caught your eye? And are you really saying the announced games for the PSP are better than the best of the GBA crop? That would be rather interesting.

goMac · Jan 6, 2005, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Hey, quantity of quality fine. Not that it has all bad games but they are definitely not all that good.

yes it is the most portable and has the best battery life, but so do game systems from the 80's. Most people wouldn't agree with you on that one.

For me it is screen quality and games and that means the PSP is for me.

: cough : Game Gear : cough :

Being a Game Gear owner... it looked cool, the screen was bigger and nicer than the Game Boy, and the games where supposed to be cooler than the Game Boys. The problem was with around a 5 hour battery life (ahem) it really wasn't portable. It was bigger than the Game Boy, making it hard to handle. The games were mostly puzzle games (ahem) and while they made nice use of color, they got boring to play. That, and no one else had a Game Gear to play with because Game Boy was far outselling Game Gear. I had one friend who I got to buy a Game Gear, and even then I don't think we ever played with each other. I ended up going back to my 80's Game Boy because the screen, while it was black and white and not backlit and smaller, was still sharper, I could play with all my friends. The games on Game Boy where also much better, and not just an attempt to portabalize an existing console game.

As far as I see, PSP is headed the same direction as Game Gear. Short battery life, crippled games compared to their PS2 counterparts, larger bulky design, and DS is masssively outselling it. While the original Game Boy games where inventive, the Game Gear games were Sonic, Ecco, etc. PSP is doing the same thing. All the factors that applied to Game Gear are applying to PSP, and I think Nintendo knows it. Enough people owned Game Gear to make it notable, but in the long run it failed. PSP looks to be going the same way. People will buy PSP, but in a few years everything PSP will be in the bargain bin.

I don't own either system, but looking at the past, this seems to be where PSP is headed.

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · 12:09 AM

Originally posted by goMac:

As far as I see, PSP is headed the same direction as Game Gear. Short battery life, crippled games compared to their PS2 counterparts, larger bulky design, and DS is masssively outselling it. While the original Game Boy games where inventive, the Game Gear games were Sonic, Ecco, etc. PSP is doing the same thing. All the factors that applied to Game Gear are applying to PSP, and I think Nintendo knows it. Enough people owned Game Gear to make it notable, but in the long run it failed. PSP looks to be going the same way. People will buy PSP, but in a few years everything PSP will be in the bargain bin.

I don't own either system, but looking at the past, this seems to be where PSP is headed.

Sorry dude but many of your points are WRONG. First, the PSP is smaller than the original GameBoy which sold well. It is also smaller than the DS in 2 out of 3 ways. You imply that they are puzzle games, wrong. You also say they pale next to the PS2 games when they are all actually improvements as the PSP is more powerful than the PS2.

Lately you also say the DS is "Massively outselling it". The problem with that is that the DS was out for more that a month before the PSP and WORLDWIDE. The PSP has already sold 510,000 units in less than a month and ONLY in Asia. So in other words the PSP is actually selling better.

MindFad · Jan 7, 2005, 12:06 AM

I'm masturbating furiously.

olePigeon · Jan 7, 2005, 12:09 AM

Originally posted by MindFad:
I'm masturbating furiously.

I take it your sister didn't block your porn?

Xeo · Jan 7, 2005, 12:51 AM

The only handheld I've owned was the GameGear and it was cool but my game library was small and the low battery life shelved it beyond the 5 hour car trips on holidays. I never considered a GameBoy, the GBA didn't really catch my eye. The GBA SP looks cool and I've considered it. The DS hasn't really impressed me, but maybe that's cause the touch screen was crappy on the in-store display model I played. But this thing... it looks really cool. I would be in the market for one if it had more PDA functions. I'm just not enough of a gamer for it. If it's screen was a touch one with a stylus, and had e-mail ability, it would be really sweet. Sure I could get a PDA, but then it wouldn't have the game library this thing will have.

Question. What kind of wireless does it (and the DS) have? Can you just walk into range and challenge someone with one? Also, will the Japanese version play U.S. games or will they break it? I could pick one up if they are in stock since I'm in Japan right now.

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Jan 7, 2005, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by Xeo:
Question. What kind of wireless does it (and the DS) have? Can you just walk into range and challenge someone with one? Also, will the Japanese version play U.S. games or will they break it? I could pick one up if they are in stock since I'm in Japan right now.

They both have a standard 802.11 and a proprietary one. The PSP will actually allow ROM updates to be downloaded off the net through wireless. They will also both allow internet gaming through wireless but the DS doesn't have any games that do that yet. Yes you can just walk into range of someone and start playing with someone.

The PSP will NOT have region locked games so you can get one in Japan and it will work with the US games when they come out.

goMac · Jan 7, 2005, 01:07 AM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Sorry dude but many of your points are WRONG. First, the PSP is smaller than the original GameBoy which sold well.

Thats great. I'm sure it will blow the original game boy out of the water.

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
It is also smaller than the DS in 2 out of 3 ways. You imply that they are puzzle games, wrong. You also say they pale next to the PS2 games when they are all actually improvements as the PSP is more powerful than the PS2.

Uhhhh... dude. The PSP is not more powerful than the PS2, and even then, I'm talking about the games, not the hardware. The Game Gear was probably nearly as powerful as the Genesis. The Nomad WAS a Genesis. Both flopped.

I don't see any FPS for PSP. I don't see any adventure games. I see puzzle and racing. Where, pray tell, are the other genres that DS has?

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Lately you also say the DS is "Massively outselling it". The problem with that is that the DS was out for more that a month before the PSP and WORLDWIDE. The PSP has already sold 510,000 units in less than a month and ONLY in Asia. So in other words the PSP is actually selling better.

And that doesn't change that everyone in America will have a DS by the time the PSP arrives.

Sony is going completely against history here. The Game Gear was supposed to be the system to debunk Game Boy, going on the same selling points as the Game Gear. Not only that, but anyone with an advance already will most likely go for the DS. Thats a heck of a lot going against the PSP.

Like I said, the PSP will sell, but I don't thing long term prospects are good.

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Jan 7, 2005, 01:20 AM

Originally posted by goMac:

Uhhhh... dude. The PSP is not more powerful than the PS2, and even then, I'm talking about the games, not the hardware.

Really, can you show me where you get that idea?

goMac · Jan 7, 2005, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Really, can you show me where you get that idea?

Because it uses the same processor as the PS2 processor running at the same mhz as the one in the PS2 with a slower graphics processor?

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Jan 7, 2005, 02:04 AM

Originally posted by goMac:
Because it uses the same processor as the PS2 processor running at the same mhz as the one in the PS2 with a slower graphics processor?

with a lower rez screen that makes sense to me.

"Q: How powerful is the PSP?
A: Its capabilities rival that of the PlayStation 2 and similar. It is
basically on generation ahead of the DS and two ahead of the GameBoy
Advance."

goMac · Jan 7, 2005, 02:10 AM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
with a lower rez screen that makes sense to me.

"Q: How powerful is the PSP?
A: Its capabilities rival that of the PlayStation 2 and similar. It is
basically on generation ahead of the DS and two ahead of the GameBoy
Advance."

Yes, while a lower res screen could pump framerates faster, does the lower res in itself mean that the graphics won't be as good as the PS2?

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Jan 7, 2005, 02:27 AM

Originally posted by goMac:
Yes, while a lower res screen could pump framerates faster, does the lower res in itself mean that the graphics won't be as good as the PS2?

No, so far all the games look better than the PS2 counterpart as it has some hardware advances over the PS2 hardware.

Cubeoid · Jan 7, 2005, 02:59 AM

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Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Jan 7, 2005, 03:17 AM

Originally posted by Cubeoid:
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What is that all about?

Cubeoid · Jan 7, 2005, 03:25 AM

You think empty boxes are hot?

ajprice · Jan 7, 2005, 05:19 AM

It'll either stretch the resolution to the bigger screen, or put the smaller screen game in a frame on the bigger screen (thats what the gameboy colour emulator does on my n-gage.

Xeo · Jan 7, 2005, 09:09 AM

K, so while I was out tonight, I tried out a DS. Man the touch screen is tough to get used to. For Nintendo, I'm a bit disappointed at the funky hand positions you seem to have to use to play it. But anyway, it could be fun once you get used to it.

Unfortunately, they only had some display boxes up for the PSP. I think they had them in stock. The gift box or whatever it's called with the case and stuff was like ¥23000 so roughly $230.

Would have been really cool to actually play with it. The store I was all about Nintendo stuff. They had a ton of GBA SPs to play with and like 2 aisles of games for the Cube and the GBA. The PS section was pretty lacking by comparison. I was surprised.

mdc · Jan 7, 2005, 12:44 PM

Xeo, you should buy a couple psps for when you come back to the usa. you could make a killing on ebay

Peter · Jan 7, 2005, 01:14 PM

Originally posted by mdc:
Xeo, you should buy a couple psps for when you come back to the usa. you could make a killing on ebay

ME! oh dear god send me one!

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jan 7, 2005, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by mdc:
Xeo, you should buy a couple psps for when you come back to the usa. you could make a killing on ebay

It's true but they aren't even that easy to find over there and they are already marked up.

mitchell_pgh · Jan 7, 2005, 01:43 PM

Mr. One Track Mind I'm just amazed with this system. I really wish Apple could come out with something like this in the ~$200 range that would run a scaled down version of OS X. I think the size of the screen is nice and all the expansion ports are cool.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jan 7, 2005, 01:56 PM

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
Mr. One Track Mind I'm just amazed with this system. I really wish Apple could come out with something like this in the ~$200 range that would run a scaled down version of OS X. I think the size of the screen is nice and all the expansion ports are cool.

Yuck, what would someone do with a Mac OSX CE? I mean for 200? Sony is losing a ton on each sale to make it up in games, Apple cannot make up the money.

Not to mention PDA's are doing really poorly, Sony ditched em and Palm isn't doing well.

Busemann · Jan 7, 2005, 02:37 PM

Originally posted by lavar78:
Games? Which of those PSP launch titles has caught your eye? That would be rather interesting.

The initial crop of PSP titles have gotten rave reviews basically everywhere, while the DS has been pretty average..

And are you really saying the announced games for the PSP are better than the best of the GBA crop?

You seem rather disillusioned if you think a pre-release hand-held can have a better lineup than one thats been around for years.. Give it a year's time, and I'm sure you'll find something you'll like.

lavar78 · Jan 7, 2005, 03:03 PM

Originally posted by Busemann:
The initial crop of PSP titles have gotten rave reviews basically everywhere, while the DS has been pretty average..

IIRC, EGM gave a slight edge to the DS, but neither received stellar reviews.

You seem rather disillusioned if you think a pre-release hand-held can have a better lineup than one thats been around for years.. Give it a year's time, and I'm sure you'll find something you'll like.

Um, Star Wars Guy is the one who seems to think the PSP has better games. I was just surprised he'd say something that ridiculous. My point was that the PSP and the DS have a long way to go before they approach the quantity and quality of the GBA library. They have better hardware, but fewer games, fewer good games, shorter battery life, and they aren't as portable.

Here are previews of PSP titles. Looks like a whole lot of nothing to me.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jan 7, 2005, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by lavar78:

Um, Star Wars Guy is the one who seems to think the PSP has better games. I was just surprised he'd say something that ridiculous. My point was that the PSP and the DS have a long way to go before they approach the quantity and quality of the GBA library. They have better hardware, but fewer games, fewer good games, shorter battery life, and they aren't as portable.

So what killer DS title am I missing?? Mario 64 DS that is a 9 year old game with no bloody analog controlls and the second screen is just a Map?? Or metroid DS to play with all the other people who don't have DS. That chat thing? What killer title am I missing here?

TheBadgerHunter · Jan 7, 2005, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
So what killer DS title am I missing?? Mario 64 DS that is a 9 year old game with no bloody analog controlls and the second screen is just a Map?? Or metroid DS to play with all the other people who don't have DS. That chat thing? What killer title am I missing here?

Come on. You like the PSP regardless of anything. As of now you can't compare them based on games. Bottom-line is that based on games the GBA beats them both hands down. Perhaps this will change in time. As it is both of them have only a couple really good games and thats that.

lavar78 · Jan 7, 2005, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
So what killer DS title am I missing?? Mario 64 DS that is a 9 year old game with no bloody analog controlls and the second screen is just a Map?? Or metroid DS to play with all the other people who don't have DS. That chat thing? What killer title am I missing here?

You're changing the subject. I said that the Game Boy Advance SP is a better handheld than the PSP and the DS. I'm not interested in rehashing the PSP vs. DS argument. I'm saying that, until some really good games come out for either next-gen handheld (and remember, I said they look to have a total of zero), the GBA SP will be a much better system than the others.

Even when they do get some great games, the GBA SP will still be smaller and have a better battery. Unlike regular consoles, it's hard to improve on the previous generation if you're going to make the thing bigger and offer shorter playing time. The GBA SP is the pinnacle of handheld computing and it probably will be for years to come.

Hawkeye_a · Jan 7, 2005, 04:21 PM

Originally posted by lavar78:
You're changing the subject. I said that the Game Boy Advance SP is a better handheld than the PSP and the DS. I'm not interested in rehashing the PSP vs. DS argument. I'm saying that, until some really good games come out for either next-gen handheld (and remember, I said they look to have a total of zero), the GBA SP will be a much better system than the others.

Even when they do get some great games, the GBA SP will still be smaller and have a better battery. Unlike regular consoles, it's hard to improve on the previous generation if you're going to make the thing bigger and offer shorter playing time. The GBA SP is the pinnacle of handheld computing and it probably will be for years to come.

The DS apparently has similar battery life to the GBA SP and it can play GBA games. the size is a compromise for te dual screens. The difference in size dosent seem to be too outrageous though.

ajprice · Jan 7, 2005, 04:34 PM

I've always thought the DS was about the size of 2 Gameboy SP's side by side.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jan 7, 2005, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
Come on. You like the PSP regardless of anything.

Really? That is why I own every gameboy ever made other than the DS

Michael1980 · Jan 7, 2005, 05:49 PM

Engadget has a pic of all portable consoles ever made side by side.
If you look at that, you can't really tell that DS is made in 2005 lol. It looks like an old 80's device.

mishap · Jan 7, 2005, 05:54 PM

Originally posted by Hawkeye_a:
The DS apparently has similar battery life to the GBA SP and it can play GBA games. the size is a compromise for te dual screens. The difference in size dosent seem to be too outrageous though.

I love the SP because it fits in my pocket. That is why i wont buy a DS or PSP--they dont.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jan 7, 2005, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by lavar78:
Here are previews of PSP titles. Looks like a whole lot of nothing to me.

here is the upcoming DS killer game. Puppy simulator!

Wonder what they use the second screen for other than to remind you how much money you just wasted.

lavar78 · Jan 7, 2005, 06:02 PM

Originally posted by mishap:
I love the SP because it fits in my pocket. That is why i wont buy a DS or PSP--they dont.

Exactly.

lavar78 · Jan 7, 2005, 06:04 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
here is the upcoming DS killer game. Puppy simulator!

Wonder what they use the second screen for other than to remind you how much money you just wasted.

OK, I'm officially amused. You keep trying to make this a PSP vs. DS thing, but I'm not falling for it.

FWIW, that puppy game looks interesting.

goMac · Jan 7, 2005, 06:17 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
here is the upcoming DS killer game. Puppy simulator!

Wonder what they use the second screen for other than to remind you how much money you just wasted.

I asked you this earlier, so I'll ask you again. Where are the FPS's and adventure games coming for the PSP? DS already has both genres, not to mention Four Swords is being redone for DS.

goMac · Jan 7, 2005, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
So what killer DS title am I missing?? Mario 64 DS that is a 9 year old game with no bloody analog controlls and the second screen is just a Map?? Or metroid DS to play with all the other people who don't have DS. That chat thing? What killer title am I missing here?

No, the second screen is for control, not map. Touch with the boot is the best way to do Mario 64.

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Jan 7, 2005, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by goMac:
I asked you this earlier, so I'll ask you again. Where are the FPS's and adventure games coming for the PSP? DS already has both genres, not to mention Four Swords is being redone for DS.

Oh sorry sir, well here is a list and the unit hasn't even shipped in the US yet.

http://psp.ign.com/previews/

Xeo · Jan 7, 2005, 07:16 PM

Do I have any investors lined up? I'm coming home in a few weeks.

Peter · Jan 7, 2005, 08:08 PM

Originally posted by Xeo:
Do I have any investors lined up? I'm coming home in a few weeks.

price?

goMac · Jan 7, 2005, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Oh sorry sir, well here is a list and the unit hasn't even shipped in the US yet.

http://psp.ign.com/previews/

The biggest game there looks to be Metal Gear Acid... and thats a card game... (labeled as action adventure).

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Jan 8, 2005, 02:19 AM

Originally posted by goMac:
The biggest game there looks to be Metal Gear Acid... and thats a card game... (labeled as action adventure).

Biggest for you perhaps. Plenty of cool upcoming adventure games.

IMO PS2 beats the crap out any system in adventure games.

Jak 1-3, Ratchet and Clank 1-3 just to name 6 are all incredible games waaaay better than anything else i have other played (other than Banjo).

It wont be long for them to come out for PSP.

Xeo · Jan 8, 2005, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by Peter:
price?

As I said above, they are about ~$230US here.

goMac · Jan 8, 2005, 04:22 PM

Originally posted by Disgruntled Head of C-3PO:
Biggest for you perhaps. Plenty of cool upcoming adventure games.

IMO PS2 beats the crap out any system in adventure games.

Jak 1-3, Ratchet and Clank 1-3 just to name 6 are all incredible games waaaay better than anything else i have other played (other than Banjo).

It wont be long for them to come out for PSP.

You still aren't naming any games for the PSP... The best you're doing is talking about the PS2, and then making predictions about which games are coming. In the same vein I could predict Ocarina of Time and Smash Brothers will come for DS (wireless Smash Brothers would be awesome). The PSP has no killer titles anywhere on the radar right now. The DS as least has Metroid coming along with Four Swords, if Mario 64 doesn't do it for you.

Peter · Jan 9, 2005, 10:31 AM

My PSP is ordered and will soon be shipped! woot!
I got:
Psp (non value)
Lumines
Ridge Racers

now to order a PSP Screen protector, Case and 512Mb memory stick

Wiskedjak · Jan 9, 2005, 11:45 AM

Originally posted by TheBadgerHunter:
Exposed screen scratches like hell, battery life is so low an I bet the batteries don't last very long.

You mean like the iPod?

Peter · Jan 9, 2005, 11:52 AM

http://kaisakura.com/index2.html
iPsp, looks sweet.

Disgruntled Head of C-3PO · Jan 9, 2005, 02:09 PM

Originally posted by Peter:
http://kaisakura.com/index2.html
iPsp, looks sweet.

Cool we are all set and it hasn't even shipped here yet!

Drakino · Jan 9, 2005, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by Xeo:
Do I have any investors lined up? I'm coming home in a few weeks.

Well eBay prices on completed auctions do show about every PSP going for at least $300, if not higher into the $500 range. Average is probably $350 or so. Might be worth it to grab a few if you can.