[BRussell]

Originally Posted by Eug 

A legitimate nomination process can give her a win. Likely? Maybe not. Possible? Most definitely.

What would that possible scenario look like? 'Cause I don't see it.

[Big Mac]

Fixed for you:

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak 

The Democrats have 2 hard-left candidates, neither of whom will be able to win the Presidential election.

[Eug]

Originally Posted by BRussell 

What would that possible scenario look like? 'Cause I don't see it.

You can check out the various scenarios yourself.

Democratic delegate counter game - CNN.com

[tie]

That game is no good, because it doesn't allocate delegates according to the actual rules. The sliders should be set to show the popular vote percentages.

[Eug]

There's also the wildcard of MI and FL do-overs.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

Fixed for you:

meh .. whatever.

Yes, the Democrat candidates are rather far to the left. Which is why I like the looks of a moderate conservative in the Whitehouse. I think if either Clinton or Obama get elected, the polarized American electorate will swing far to the Right in 2012 or 2016. While, if a conservative sitting closer to the middle of the political spectrum (McCain) gets elected this year, more of the candidates in 2012 and 2016 are likely to be moderates, left and right, as well.

I'm all for McCain winning, not the least of which because it'll be a serious loss for the hard-right.

[Chongo]

Story behind the story: The Clinton myth - Jim VandeHei and Mike Allen - Politico.com

One big fact has largely been lost in the recent coverage of the Democratic presidential race: Hillary Rodham Clinton has virtually no chance of winning.

Her own campaign acknowledges there is no way that she will finish ahead in pledged delegates. That means the only way she wins is if Democratic superdelegates are ready to risk a backlash of historic proportions from the party’s most reliable constituency.

Unless Clinton is able to at least win the primary popular vote — which also would take nothing less than an electoral miracle — and use that achievement to pressure superdelegates, she has only one scenario for victory. An African-American opponent and his backers would be told that, even though he won the contest with voters, the prize is going to someone else.
People who think that scenario is even remotely likely are living on another planet.

As it happens, many people inside Clinton’s campaign live right here on Earth. One important Clinton adviser estimated to Politico privately that she has no more than a 10 percent chance of winning her race against Barack Obama, an appraisal that was echoed by other operatives.

[Shaddim]

Yeah, she's dead meat. If she wins the nomination (by pressuring and/or buying superdelegates) without the popular vote, it'll be bad, we'll see riots. However, I think if she has a choice between tearing the country apart or losing, she'll choose the former without blinking.

[Captain Obvious]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

If she wins the nomination (by pressuring and/or buying superdelegates) without the popular vote, it'll be bad, we'll see riots.

If one was to substitute Dan Inouye, Bill Richardson, Joe Lieberman or Luis Gutierrez in Obama's place in this scenario I don't think that there would be many people who would take that possibility seriously. I think most people would laugh because they couldn't see riots as a realistic reaction from the corresponding minority supporters of those men.

So why is it that so many people believe blacks would take to the streets if Obama loses the nomination even if he does so by legal means?

[subego]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious 

So why is it that so many people believe blacks would take to the streets if Obama loses the nomination even if he does so by legal means?

Who says it would be black people?

The image that immediately sprung to my mind was a bunch of (white) hippies rioting at the loss of the chance to assuage their white guilt.

[Chongo]

The yippies were the one that caused the riot in '68. Of the original "Chicago 8" , Bobby Seals was the only Black.

[paul w]

^That's another debate, as many would say it was Daly and the police that were responsible for the riot.

Anyway, I think a lot of folks would be outraged, white or black, if Hillary won by anything other means than straight up regular delegates in uncontested elections. If the superdelegates decide her victory, that would more a case of politics over the will of the people.

[subego]

Originally Posted by paul w 

many would say it was Daly and the police

As the late mayor said, "the police aren't here to create disorder, the police are here to preserve disorder."

[Mithras]

Yeah, when people talk about "riots" with a Clinton superdelegate sneak, we're not talking black urban uprising; we're talking party rank-and-file revolt. More of a metaphorical riot.

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by Mithras 

Yeah, when people talk about "riots" with a Clinton superdelegate sneak, we're not talking black urban uprising; we're talking party rank-and-file revolt. More of a metaphorical riot.

No, I'm talking cities going up in flames, think the LA riots and magnify it by 50. I've already spoken with people who said they will gladly burn the regional DNC and Clinton headquarters to the ground if this happens, and they may not stop there.

[subego]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

I've already spoken with people who said they will gladly burn the regional DNC and Clinton headquarters to the ground if this happens, and they may not stop there.

And the $64,000 question seems to be...

These people were black[ ], white[ ], other[ ]?

[tie]

Somehow I don't take the possibility of riots seriously. But Obama is black, and black people are definitely scary, they could riot any time (!).

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by subego 

And the $64,000 question seems to be...

These people were black[X], white[ ], other[ ]?

Just going by what was said to me, I thought it was interesting. There's some tension out there.

Not like this stuff has ever happened before.

Nah, tie's right, could never happen again.

[Jawbone54]

Originally Posted by Captain Obvious 

So why is it that so many people believe blacks would take to the streets if Obama loses the nomination even if he does so by legal means?

I don't believe that.

But I do believe that if McCain loses, white-haired geriatrics around the country will be turning over cars and throwing Molotov cocktails at police.

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by Jawbone54 

I don't believe that.

But I do believe that if McCain loses, white-haired geriatrics around the country will be turning over cars and throwing Molotov cocktails at police.

I wish I could find the clip from "In Living Color." They did a skit after the people arrested for almost killing Reginald Denny were acquitted. Little old ladies with Gucci bags were looting the Galleria.

[Kerrigan]

I just like watching the Democratic party rip itself apart. This confirms what Republicans always knew: that division, weakness, novelty, and short-term self-interest are hallmark features of liberalism.

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

I've already spoken with people who said they will gladly burn the regional DNC and Clinton headquarters to the ground if this happens, and they may not stop there.

Okay, I admit it: now I'm hoping it happens, because THAT I want to see.