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Kevin · Apr 30, 2007, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Penis and vagina.

I like the sound of that!

Penis and vagina... penis and vagina... penis and vagina... la la la... This could be a great song!

Back in the early 90s when my brother first got into the Mac for midi reasons he made a song with the "boys have a penis, girls have a vagina" saying from Kindergarten Cop. It was highly amusing.

Dakarʒ · Apr 30, 2007, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

Well since I am not on a personal level with you Dakar, nor do I know you that well.

Perhaps not, but god knows you'd have to be blind to miss my posting tone considering how much I post.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Also by responding to it the way I did, hopefully it will stop anyone else from responding to me in like.

Fat chance. If anything, someone will use that post as opportunity to post a rebuttal.

Kevin · Apr 30, 2007, 10:25 AM

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

Perhaps not, but god knows you'd have to be blind to miss my posting tone considering how much I post.

Thats just it. "posting tone" doesn't exist in text. There is no tone to "hear" to understand intentions.

I believe you were being a bit smarmy/sarcastic which IS how you post a lot. But knowing if you actually believed that, or if you were just joking was a hard one to tell.

Had a

or a

been there....

Dakarʒ · Apr 30, 2007, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

Thats just it. "posting tone" doesn't exist in text. There is no tone to "hear" to understand intentions.

Tone: Manner of expression in speech or writing

Guess which one I meant.
Tone exists here.

Originally Posted by Kevin

I believe you were being a bit smarmy/sarcastic which IS how you post a lot...

See, you have caught my style.

Originally Posted by Kevin

Had a

or a

been there....

That's like putting a smiley face emoticon on the Mona Lisa.

Laminar · Apr 30, 2007, 10:36 AM

Wow, I really see what you meant Dakar. Post count gold right there.

Dakarʒ · Apr 30, 2007, 10:38 AM

That took me a minute...

design219 · Apr 30, 2007, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

like putting a smiley face emoticon on the Mona Lisa.

First laugh of the day!

Dakarʒ · Apr 30, 2007, 10:42 AM

I was serious!!1

Kerrigan · 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by centerchannel68

I didn't make a doctrine. I stated my opinion. I did not publish a book with my views condemning all those who disagree with me to fiery eternal damnation. I just stated my opinion. There is a huge difference, apparently your brain was scarred by religion too badly to understand simple comparisons, because yours is horrible.

Also, I never said that 'no doctrine can be believed'. You are putting words in my mouth. I have never stated that. Then again, religious people generally enjoy fiction, so it makes sense that you were pretending I said something I didn't.

You can't equivocate your own beliefs by relativising them as mere opinions. Your opinion on this matter, that religion is tantamount to fiction, is actually a doctrine, that of irreligiosity, or in your case, anti-religiosity. I know you didn't "make" this doctrine, it's been around for hundreds of years, developed and perfected by far more talented thinkers than you or me.

The rejection of metaphysics undermines the basis of what is traditionally called "truth". One therefore has to adopt a stance of mere relativism, whereby everything is either an opinion or a rhetorical locality, measured against a wholly subjective standard of truth. Faced with this scenario, and given the context of your response, the only way you could retaliate against what I said is using the logic "I know you are wrong because it is my opinion that you are wrong", which is essentially what you did, and which is not very convincing.

PS - why do you come to MacNN to start fights? You took what could have been a normal discussion on the paradoxical nature of reality and instead responded with paranoid, rude remarks. You seem to do this sort of thing quite often, and then wonder why you're banned on a weekly basis.

design219 · Apr 30, 2007, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

I was serious!!1

Yes, I know.

design219 · Apr 30, 2007, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

You took what could have been a normal discussion on the paradoxical nature of reality and instead responded with paranoid, rude remarks.

I thought we were talking about who's dating who?

Dakarʒ · Apr 30, 2007, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by design219

Yes, I know.

Well... ok then.

Kevin · Apr 30, 2007, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

See, you have caught my style.

Yes, but as I pointed out, you did not make it clear you were joking or not.

Railroader · Apr 30, 2007, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by centerchannel68

I wasn't calling anyone a retard. I was calling a contradictory, nonsensical, man-made belief system retarded. There is quite a difference. One is an opinion I'm allowed to have on these forums, the other is attacking someone and calling names, which is not allowed on these forums. You can read into it however you like, but I have not called anybody names.

...and a few posts later...

Originally Posted by centerchannel68

... There is a huge difference, apparently your brain was scarred by religion too badly to understand simple comparisons, because yours is horrible. ...

...Then again, religious people generally enjoy fiction, so it makes sense that you were pretending I said something I didn't.

Hmmm...

Dakarʒ · Apr 30, 2007, 11:33 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

Yes, but as I pointed out, you did not make it clear you were joking or not.

Making it patently obvious kills the spirit of the joke.

Kevin · Apr 30, 2007, 11:38 AM

Then don't complain when people don't see your un-obvious "joke".

Dakarʒ · Apr 30, 2007, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

Then don't complain when people don't see your un-obvious "joke".

If you're the only one, I am.

Kevin · Apr 30, 2007, 11:40 AM

Um... I was the only one you were responding to.

But never-mind Dakar. Your post was perfectly clear! It was my horrible horrible ignorance that made me not see the humor. Not your unclearness on the matter. No sireeee.

All my fault.

Lets move on.

Dakarʒ · Apr 30, 2007, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Kevin

Um... I was the only one you were responding to.

Man, it's like you've never been in this forum before.

Originally Posted by Kevin

But never-mind Dakar. Your post was perfectly clear! It was my horrible horrible ignorance that made me not see the humor. Not your unclearness on the matter. No sireeee.

All my fault.

.

Who's the smarmy one now?

design219 · Apr 30, 2007, 11:50 AM

Time for cats?

shifuimam · Apr 30, 2007, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

Yes, it's MTVs fault.

Ahaha. No, I do not blame television as the only source for corrupting kids. I guess it's more just shorthand for how skewed teenage culture is today.

Girls are expected to provide sexual favors for guys. More often than not, a teenage boy isn't unselfish or mature enough to really do anything for the girl - they just expect it, and if the girl doesn't put out (in any form; not just intercourse), she's considered a prude and, as macgeek2005 showed us, will be quickly kicked to the curb.

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

Obviously we need to do a better job of teaching them to use condoms.

Except that it's not just about condoms. Sex takes maturity and, as I already said, a certain level of unselfishness. Most boys (and girls) between the ages of 13 and 18 aren't mature enough socially or psychologically to handle the responsibilities that come with having sex. Girls always take it more emotionally. Guys don't understand that or care about trying to understand that.

Not having sex - and understanding what that encompasses (I'm talking about anything that involves taking off your clothes and doing things with each other) - is probably the most mature and best choice any teenager can make.

Originally Posted by Kevin

What just amazes me are the people in this thread that think there is something wrong or bad with that above.

Oh, I can definitely agree.

Originally Posted by Kevin

If someone wants to wait till they are married I applaud them for having such will power.

Acting as if something is wrong or abnormal with said practice is absurd.

It's not doing anyone any harm.

Of course, most boys today think that a girl is stupid or selfish or a bitch or a prude if she doesn't put out and give them what they ultimately can do with their hand, a sock, and a bottle of lotion.

Originally Posted by red rocket

Secondly, I find the concept of virgin brides both sexist and mediæval.

You do realize that sexual chastity also applies to men, right? The fact that you read it as "virgin brides" makes me wonder if you've got some hidden sexist tendencies.

From a psychological standpoint, boys are probably better off abstaining than girls!

And I don't buy into the crap that in order to be cool or be a real man, you have to sleep with every whore who will spread her legs for you...

kmkkid · Apr 30, 2007, 11:53 AM

Originally Posted by design219

Time for cats?

Yup.

Dakarʒ · Apr 30, 2007, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by design219

Time for cats?

Big Mac · Apr 30, 2007, 12:02 PM

LOL. Where do you guys get those?

Laminar · Apr 30, 2007, 12:05 PM

Google or LolCat Builder » Home

Dakarʒ · Apr 30, 2007, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

LOL. Where do you guys get those?

Another forum I pass through has a thread devoted to this crap. That one is one my favorites.

residentEvil · Apr 30, 2007, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

i'm stealing; sorry for the bandwidth

sek929 · Apr 30, 2007, 12:26 PM

So what do I win for predicting this in the other MacGeek thread?

G4ME · Apr 30, 2007, 12:28 PM

cat pics?

sek929 · Apr 30, 2007, 12:30 PM

Sure, I'll enjoy some pussy*

*I mean felines, of course...

Mastrap · Apr 30, 2007, 12:35 PM

design219 · Apr 30, 2007, 12:52 PM

Rumor · Apr 30, 2007, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by shifuimam

Sex takes maturity and, as I already said, a certain level of unselfishness. Most boys (and girls) between the ages of 13 and 18 aren't mature enough socially or psychologically to handle the responsibilities that come with having sex. Girls always take it more emotionally. Guys don't understand that or care about trying to understand that.

You do realize that less than a hundred years ago, it was not uncommon for a woman to be married at 14?

post_break · Apr 30, 2007, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by Atomic Rooster

Blue Discus fish.

We had like 20 of those in a 50 gallon tank.

Rumor · Apr 30, 2007, 01:08 PM

Blah.

ajprice · Apr 30, 2007, 01:20 PM

I have nothing to say, but here's a cat.

besson3c · Apr 30, 2007, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by design219

Country, hip-hop, or pop?

Yes.

besson3c · Apr 30, 2007, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by shifuimam

Ahaha. No, I do not blame television as the only source for corrupting kids. I guess it's more just shorthand for how skewed teenage culture is today.

Girls are expected to provide sexual favors for guys. More often than not, a teenage boy isn't unselfish or mature enough to really do anything for the girl - they just expect it, and if the girl doesn't put out (in any form; not just intercourse), she's considered a prude and, as macgeek2005 showed us, will be quickly kicked to the curb.

Except that it's not just about condoms. Sex takes maturity and, as I already said, a certain level of unselfishness. Most boys (and girls) between the ages of 13 and 18 aren't mature enough socially or psychologically to handle the responsibilities that come with having sex. Girls always take it more emotionally. Guys don't understand that or care about trying to understand that.

Not having sex - and understanding what that encompasses (I'm talking about anything that involves taking off your clothes and doing things with each other) - is probably the most mature and best choice any teenager can make.

Oh, I can definitely agree.

Of course, most boys today think that a girl is stupid or selfish or a bitch or a prude if she doesn't put out and give them what they ultimately can do with their hand, a sock, and a bottle of lotion.

You do realize that sexual chastity also applies to men, right? The fact that you read it as "virgin brides" makes me wonder if you've got some hidden sexist tendencies.

From a psychological standpoint, boys are probably better off abstaining than girls!

And I don't buy into the crap that in order to be cool or be a real man, you have to sleep with every whore who will spread her legs for you...

It is quite unfair to be a woman on so many different levels. A man's seed, biologically speaking, is cheap, but it is unfair for the onus to rest solely on the woman to be a stop sign, and for not putting up a stop sign being instantly labeled a slut.

It is also unfair that assertive women get labeled cold bitches in business, when it is cool for a man to assume this role.

Laminar · Apr 30, 2007, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by ajprice

I have nothing to say, but here's a cat.

I like that one a lot.

Dakarʒ · Apr 30, 2007, 01:27 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

It is quite unfair to be a woman on so many different levels. A man's seed, biologically speaking, is cheap, but it is unfair for the onus to rest solely on the woman to be a stop sign, and for not putting up a stop sign being instantly labeled a slut.

It is also unfair that assertive women get labeled cold bitches in business, when it is cool for a man to assume this role.

besson's hittin' on the ladies

design219 · Apr 30, 2007, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

besson's hittin' on the ladies

Does this technique work?

Dakarʒ · Apr 30, 2007, 01:31 PM

60% of the time, it works everytime.

Chuckit · Apr 30, 2007, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

It is quite unfair to be a woman on so many different levels. A man's seed, biologically speaking, is cheap, but it is unfair for the onus to rest solely on the woman to be a stop sign, and for not putting up a stop sign being instantly labeled a slut.

You listen to too many Christina Aguilera songs. A woman who is unable to say no to a man is put down for her lack of self-control and pride. Similarly, a man who is unable to say no to a woman is also put down for his lack of self-control and pride (see "pussy-whipped" and "man-whore"). It cuts both ways.

Originally Posted by besson3c

It is also unfair that assertive women get labeled cold bitches in business, when it is cool for a man to assume this role.

Assertive women do not get labeled cold bitches — cold bitches do. Men who act like they have sticks up their asses aren't generally the popular ones either. I've known assertive and confident women who are well-liked, but the dumb ones who make it a point alienate everyone always cry about how it's just because they're STRONG WOMYN that the patriarchy puts them down.

besson3c · Apr 30, 2007, 02:43 PM

Chuckit: I accept your criticism of my characterizations, I can definitely see your perspective here.

I'm just not entirely convinced that we are rid of sexism and male dominance yet, and therefore looking at the broader picture, I think overall it must be harder being a woman.

besson3c · Apr 30, 2007, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

besson's hittin' on the ladies

I often feel like a woman trapped in a man's body, except a more stereotypically sensitive woman that is into women.

Dakarʒ · Apr 30, 2007, 02:48 PM

That does not turn me on.

besson3c · Apr 30, 2007, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by Dakarʒ

That does not turn me on.

Borat to the rescue!

design219 · Apr 30, 2007, 02:54 PM

’a nice.

Rumor · 03:07 PM

Chuckit · Apr 30, 2007, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Chuckit: I accept your criticism of my characterizations, I can definitely see your perspective here.

I'm just not entirely convinced that we are rid of sexism and male dominance yet, and therefore looking at the broader picture, I think overall it must be harder being a woman.

No, we're not entirely rid of prejudice. I even believe most of it is probably directed the same way it has been for a while, though I do know men who have been discriminated against by women in power. But I don't think propagating stereotypes like "Guys are considered heroes for having no self-control while women are put down by THE MAN!" is any more productive than saying "It's good to be a cook in a mostly black neighborhood because all you have to fix is watermelon and fried chicken."