[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Vote Republican - because we are more concern with what really matters to the American people: our looks.

Palin's maintenance cost: $150k for clothes in a month. $22.8k for markup in 2 weeks.

You know what's most funny about all this is that $140k was spent building greek columns for Obama in a price tag of over $5 MILLION at Invesco field, but the real news story is $150k spent on clothing that will eventually be donated to charity.

I wonder what the Open Door Mission is going to do with those Greek columns.

[BadKosh]

Don't forget 0bamas thirty+ 4500 dollar suits and thousand dollar shoes.
Also don't forget the make-up required for Biden to hide the duct tape over his mouth...

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by BadKosh 

Don't forget 0bamas thirty+ 4500 dollar suits and thousand dollar shoes.
Also don't forget the make-up required for Biden to hide the duct tape over his mouth...

Interesting, that Biden. I keep hearing about Palin being a "heartbeat away from the Presidency", but nothing is mentioned of Obama's health history. What do we know of it?

- Biden with two brain aneurysms
- God forbid should something happen to Obama


Ready to lead???

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

You know what's most funny about all this is that $140k was spent building greek columns for Obama in a price tag of over $5 MILLION at Invesco field, but the real news story is $150k spent on clothing that will eventually be donated to charity.

I wonder what the Open Door Mission is going to do with those Greek columns.

Kinda difficult donating $100k in makeup cost to charity. I did hear they will planning to donate Sarah Palin to charity too. However, it seems she even worth much these days, and it's getting lower by the day. I wonder if they'll toss in the $35k tanning bed Palin had the state installed in the governors mansion.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

You know what's most funny about all this is that $140k was spent building greek columns for Obama in a price tag of over $5 MILLION at Invesco field, but the real news story is $150k spent on clothing that will eventually be donated to charity.

I wonder what the Open Door Mission is going to do with those Greek columns.

The difference is that Obama has no problem being taxed more.

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

Interesting, that Biden. I keep hearing about Palin being a "heartbeat away from the Presidency", but nothing is mentioned of Obama's health history. What do we know of it?

- Biden with two brain aneurysms

but he is not running for president....so wrong comparison... come on be honest

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

- God forbid should something happen to Obama

what do you mean? as in his health? really?

or what?

hey buddy, if palin was forced into the presidency, would you feel comfortable with it? really?

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by goMac 

The difference is that Obama has no problem being taxed more.

People who support higher taxation are less apt to donate to charity.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

but he is not running for president....so wrong comparison... come on be honest

You seemed to have missed my point. We know very little of Obama's health history. Biden, who has had two brain aneurysms is a heartbeat away from the Presidency which puts Pelosi two heartbeats away from the Presidency.

what do you mean? as in his health? really?

Certainly. What do we know of his health?

or what?

There's always an "or what", but I say "God forbid" any of it.

hey buddy, if palin was forced into the presidency, would you feel comfortable with it? really?

More comfortable with Palin than Biden? Yes. Absolutely. Comfort falls somewhere on a continuum between stocking up the food pantry and campaigning for your preferred candidate. The difference between the tickets might be casually picking up a couple of extra canned goods each week at the grocery store should McCain/Palin win or learning how to field dress large game and making creek water potable should Obama/Biden win.

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

You seemed to have missed my point. We know very little of Obama's health history. Biden, who has had two brain aneurysms is a heartbeat away from the Presidency which puts Pelosi two heartbeats away from the Presidency.

Joe Biden as president is almost more disturbing than BHO. As for Pelosi being next in line, while that's technically true it's so unlikely that the VP wouldn't be able to name his own VP after his promotion to the presidency that it's almost impossible for that to happen. We'd have some sort of major crisis on our hands for that to come to pass.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Kinda difficult donating $100k in makeup cost to charity.

Well, you could lie, but...

The good news is, I don't think any sane individual is really comparing the expense accounts of the RNC and DNC this election year. This would be a net-negative on the Obama campaign, but assuming sanity among his most zealous subjects might be assuming too much.

I did hear they will planning to donate Sarah Palin to charity too. However, it seems she even worth much these days, and it's getting lower by the day.

meh

I wonder if they'll toss in the $35k tanning bed Palin had the state installed in the governors mansion.

You mean the used one she bought and paid for with her own money?

The DNC called, this thread isn't working for them and they want their money back.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by Big Mac 

We'd have some sort of major crisis on our hands for that to come to pass.

You mean the kind of major crisis Biden assured us will happen within 6 months of taking office?

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

Well, you could lie, but...

The good news is, I don't think any sane individual is really comparing the expense accounts of the RNC and DNC this election year. This would be a net-negative on the Obama campaign, but assuming sanity among his most zealous subjects might be assuming too much.


meh


You mean the used one she bought and paid for with her own money?

The DNC called, this thread isn't working for them and they want their money back.

What hockey mom spends over $200k in makeup and clothes in a month, and a $35k tanning bed?

She is a regular Joe Sixpack. Haha...

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

What hockey mom spends over $200k in makeup and clothes in a month, and a $35k tanning bed?

She is a regular Joe Sixpack. Haha...

Can you show me the Daily Kos article that affirms the sources for the $35k figure?

To answer your question though; the same type of person who would spend $140k on styrofoam greek columns and over $5 million in procuring Invesco field for a convention speech. Politicians. To espouse a problem with one without acknowledging the other is disingenuous. Not surprising, but certainly disingenuous.

[shifuimam]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

What hockey mom spends over $200k in makeup and clothes in a month, and a $35k tanning bed?

She is a regular Joe Sixpack. Haha...

How dare she spend money that her family rightfully has! She should donate all of her money to charity and live in poverty! That horrible woman!

Come on. This is how the entire liberal left's attitude is about money - that people who earn more than you are somehow wrong in living a (financially) better life than you. If I can afford to buy a Lexus, I'm not going to drive a Ford Fiesta. Sorry.

This ties back to Doofy's earlier post about how celebrities claim to be liberals but don't act like it. If they actually believed that American citizens have a social obligation to redistribute their extra wealth to broke people, I doubt Jennifer Aniston would be living in that $4mil mansion in Malibu.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by shifuimam 

How dare she spend money that her family rightfully has! She should donate all of her money to charity and live in poverty! That horrible woman!

Come on. This is how the entire liberal left's attitude is about money - that people who earn more than you are somehow wrong in living a (financially) better life than you. If I can afford to buy a Lexus, I'm not going to drive a Ford Fiesta. Sorry.

This ties back to Doofy's earlier post about how celebrities claim to be liberals but don't act like it. If they actually believed that American citizens have a social obligation to redistribute their extra wealth to broke people, I doubt Jennifer Aniston would be living in that $4mil mansion in Malibu.

Sarah Palin shouldn't call herself a regular hockey mom then. She should call herself a beauty queen and celebrity who spends over $200k in clothes and makeup in a one month period, and $35k for a tanning bed.

Sarah Palin, the celebrity, who spends $35k getting a tanning bed installed at the governor's mansion.

http://www.usmagazine.com/news/sarah...ernors-mansion

Now, I worry about Palin's ability to make logical budget decisions. She makes $125k/yr, but spends $35k for a tanning bed? WTF?

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by shifuimam 

How dare she spend money that her family rightfully has! She should donate all of her money to charity and live in poverty! That horrible woman!

Come on. This is how the entire liberal left's attitude is about money - that people who earn more than you are somehow wrong in living a (financially) better life than you. If I can afford to buy a Lexus, I'm not going to drive a Ford Fiesta. Sorry.

This ties back to Doofy's earlier post about how celebrities claim to be liberals but don't act like it. If they actually believed that American citizens have a social obligation to redistribute their extra wealth to broke people, I doubt Jennifer Aniston would be living in that $4mil mansion in Malibu.

I agree that this is a non-issue, the RNC bought those clothes anyway. It's nowhere near the top of my list of concerns.

However, I do take exception with your generalization about how the left likes to punish people who make money. Speaking only for myself, I do not wish to punish people at all. I think the basic argument comes down to simply which tax system works the best? Not which tax system is the most morally just or is the most "fair", but if we were playing a game of Sim Taxes, which dials and sliders would need to be adjusted to produce the most effective tax system with the fewest downsides?

Obama obviously feels that people who may over $250,000 should have their taxes increased. Whether you agree or disagree with that is one thing, but all of this babble about socialism and wanting to punish the wealthy is nonsense. If Obama wanted to raise the taxes on the poor there would be people babbling about him wanting to punish the poor. Whenever taxes are raised somebody is being punished.

So, a Libertarian type person like Doofy might say the answer is never to raise taxes ever again. This is fine too, but only if that means that we can collectively pay for stuff, and that we aren't creating more problems by increasing the numbers of individuals straining our institutions by checking themselves into ERs, applying for welfare, etc.

[besson3c]

To build on my last post, clearly our government can *not* pay for everything right now, as we have racked up an absolutely enormous debt which continues to grow.

So what do we do? Eliminating all earmarks is not going to be enough. Doing that and ending the wars we are in will not be enough either, nor will rolling back the Bush tax cuts. All of these things will help, but will not be enough.

What is most expensive and unsustainable is Medicare/Medicaid. However, it would likely be even more expensive for us if these programs didn't exist at all. I'm not convinced that Obama is going to be able to pass his legislation for adopting universal health care, and I'm definitely not convinced that McCain's health care plan makes one ounce of sense either. Getting people to stop eating crappy, fattening good will help a great deal, but how do we do that? Lowering health care costs will help too, but how do we do that if a significant population wants an unchecked free market economy where health care providers can just charge what they want, insurance companies can do whatever they want, etc.?

It's not as simple as the most outspoken in here want us to believe, folks. Good thing I'm here to help!

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by hyteckit 

Sarah Palin shouldn't call herself a regular hockey mom then. She should call herself a beauty queen and celebrity who spends over $200k in clothes and makeup in a one month period, and $35k for a tanning bed.

You're pulling figures out of your a$$. The smiley face doesn't become you any more than the $1500 navy blue, worsted wool two-button suit that Hartmarx custom made for Obama on his big night. After all, you can't go in the spiffy duds of a commoner when you're upstaging a $140k set of styrofoam Greek columns.

Sarah Palin, the celebrity, who spends $35k getting a tanning bed installed at the governor's mansion.

You have no idea what it cost Palin to have the tanning bed installed and neither does your stalwart of hard-hitting news. I'd recommend you click your US Magazine link and actually read it.

http://www.usmagazine.com/news/sarah...ernors-mansion

Now, I worry about Palin's ability to make logical budget decisions. She makes $125k/yr, but spends $35k for a tanning bed? WTF?

Really? Seems to me getting more for less is exactly what we need in Washington.

[hyteckit]

Haha...

Conservatives and how they budget.

My net income is $100k/yr. Hmm... $35k for a tanning bed or $35k towards my kids college fund.

Oh, f*ck the kids, $35k goes to getting a tanning bed installed. Getting a darker skin is more important than my kids college fund.

Haha..

[- - e r i k - -]

To be fair, the only mention of $35K in that article is that it can cost UP TO that amount to have it installed.

Which frankly seems ridiculous to me.

[hyteckit]

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - - 

To be fair, the only mention of $35K in that article is that it can cost UP TO that amount to have it installed.

Which frankly seems ridiculous to me.

It is a ridiculous amount of money to install a tanning bed isn't it.

$10k for a 600 amp upgrade for tanning bed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QNwH55w6TU

Todd Palin and friends charged the state of Alaska millions for renovations to the governor's mansion.

Install new electrical panel - $35k
Install electrical panel - $200k
Upgrade A/C - $80k
Replace Piping - $700k

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3040/...f15b841c_b.jpg

[vmarks]

Government always pays high amounts of money for things.

Remember the 500 dollar hammers and toilet seats?

I sometimes wonder if it isn't shortsighted folks deciding to take advantage of government the way government pickpockets us all - shortsighted because it overlooks that government just pickpockets everyone to make up any difference.

[besson3c]

vmarks: I respect your strong independent streak, your cynicism of government in general, as well as your beliefs in the free market. I hope that there is a time when we can talk about possible solutions to things such as our health care system, social security, etc. in a way that acknowledges the delicate balance and shortcomings of our philosophical differences and ideology. It seems that most of the time those on both sides value their own ideology and philosophy over simply finding something that works. I believe that both politicians and voters have to learn to budge a little to sort of back burner rigid philosophy in the spirit of finding common ground from time to time in order to avoid being locked into stalemate.

The idea that the government has no right to any of our money is noble, but surely you will agree that it is at odds with both the design of our infrastructure, as well as the betterment of our nation as a whole?

[Doofy]

No tax!

Government should pay for what it's got to do by printing the cash it needs to do so. This will mean that inflation is the form of taxation, but since we've got inflation now anyway...

[besson3c]

Originally Posted by Doofy 

No tax!

Government should pay for what it's got to do by printing the cash it needs to do so. This will mean that inflation is the form of taxation, but since we've got inflation now anyway...

In the US, that is around 3 trillion dollars/year gross. This would absolutely kill the American dollar, making it worthless, and making our businesses ripe for foreign takeover/control. This is a security risk, as well as obviously an economic risk.

Very bad idea, no offense.

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by vmarks 

Government always pays high amounts of money for things.

Remember the 500 dollar hammers and toilet seats?

Shhh, that's to keep area 51 and Groom Lake funded.

[Doofy]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

In the US, that is around 3 trillion dollars/year gross. This would absolutely kill the American dollar, making it worthless, and making our businesses ripe for foreign takeover/control. This is a security risk, as well as obviously an economic risk.

Very bad idea, no offense.

It's not a bad idea at all. You've only heard about 1% of it.

Here's another 1%: Get rid of your federal government except the parts required for defence (and I mean defence, not attack). That's right - think of all the money you'd be saving if the Fed was run by a bloke called Dave from the shed at the bottom of his garden.

What exactly does your fed do anyways, except run up huge debts?

[Big Mac]

The federal government is a huge employer of people. The federal government could be paired way down, but there would be an economic cost to all those job losses. To not cause heavy dislocation and contraction in the economy, government jobs would have to be cut systematically and gradually over a period of years. Ultimately the economy would benefit due to the reduction in bureaucratic waste and overhead, greater competitiveness and far lower taxation. Unfortunately, the only candidate who wants to seriously cut spending is Bob Barr.

[vmarks]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

vmarks: I respect your strong independent streak, your cynicism of government in general, as well as your beliefs in the free market. I hope that there is a time when we can talk about possible solutions to things such as our health care system, social security, etc. in a way that acknowledges the delicate balance and shortcomings of our philosophical differences and ideology. It seems that most of the time those on both sides value their own ideology and philosophy over simply finding something that works. I believe that both politicians and voters have to learn to budge a little to sort of back burner rigid philosophy in the spirit of finding common ground from time to time in order to avoid being locked into stalemate.

The idea that the government has no right to any of our money is noble, but surely you will agree that it is at odds with both the design of our infrastructure, as well as the betterment of our nation as a whole?

Government has no right to our money. This is by design. We have granted it limited spending authority via Article 1 Section 8 of the constitution. Anything not listed in that section of the constitution is unlawful to spend on, and is theft by government.

If you wish to alter that, you need to get a constitutional amendment. In order for federal government to spend on healthcare, which is a topic you have expressed interest in the past, we need that amendment in place. Before the amendment, it is unlawful.

[Big Mac]

And that's the problem - so many people don't know the history of big federal governments in our country. They don't know that the New Deal was explicitly called unconstitutional by the Supreme Court until Roosevelt bullied the Court into submission, thus leading us to all the unconstitutional activities the federal government today - both major parties included - engages in. If it doesn't bother you that our highest law is violated every single day by our government, then you need to spend some more time thinking it over. Big government especially on the federal level is defective and is the source of most of the ills our country experiences.

[Chongo]

Halloween Palin Prop Sparks Controversy In West Hollywood

WEST HOLLYWOOD, Calif. (AP) ― A Halloween decoration showing a mannequin dressed as vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin hanging by a noose from the roof of a West Hollywood home is drawing giggles from some passers-by and gasps of outrage from others.
The mannequin is dressed in brunet wig, glasses and a red business suit. Another mannequin dressed as John McCain emerges from a flaming chimney.

Chad Michael Morisette, who lives in the house, told CBS 2 News that drivers and bus passengers have been stopping to snap pictures of the macabre scene.

Morisette says the effigy would be out of bounds at any other time of year, but it's within the spirit of Halloween.

He says "it should be seen as art, and as within the month of October. It's Halloween, it's time to be scary it's time to be spooky."

If that was BO and wife, this guy would be arrested for hate crimes, Halloween or not.

[ort888]

Yup. That's ****ed up.

[badidea]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

If that was BO and wife, this guy would be arrested for hate crimes, Halloween or not.

By whom? The democratic special forces?

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by badidea 

By whom? The democratic special forces?

Have you forgotten? Displaying a noose is a hate crime now.

[subego]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

Halloween Palin Prop Sparks Controversy In West Hollywood

[Dakar V]

Actually that's a Tina Fey prop. They really don't like SNL.
humor, people, humor

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by Dakar V 

Actually that's a Tina Fey prop. They really don't like SNL.
humor, people, humor

And that's really Professor X on fire in the chimney?

[subego]

Well, with that one, had it been full figure on the lawn, and just his pants on fire, that would be funny.

Though I'd agree that the same joke made with Obama would short circuit peoples' brains.


Edit: someone needs to start a "Where's your Moses Now?" thread.

[subego]

Ladies and Gentlemen, may I present to you...

teh winnar

Originally Posted by Reuters

Skinheads held over Obama death plot

Note that the win does not imply one side is any more batshit than the other, it just means that there isn't a reason to visit this inane thread anymore...

The one that I just can't ****ing stop posting in.

[ironknee]

my god

mccain supporters

[besson3c]

So can we all agree that no one party has a monopoly on fanaticism?

[goMac]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

my god

mccain supporters

Maybe all those people will up and move away when Obama wins.

Most hilarious was the guy who insisted that he'd be paying for free college for other people. I see he took absolutely zero time to look at what Obama's policy actually was. Lot of good those five failed classes did him.

[besson3c]

The other day I came across a video of a woman who was claiming to an Obama supporter that Obama wanted to ban the national anthem or something. I was thinking the same thing you were, goMac

[Dakar V]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

And that's really Professor X on fire in the chimney?

Well, based on looks, it's Joe Biden, but here's to hoping you didn't think I was serious.

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

You seemed to have missed my point. We know very little of Obama's health history. Biden, who has had two brain aneurysms is a heartbeat away from the Presidency which puts Pelosi two heartbeats away from the Presidency.

would you agree that the first argument of health is between obama and mccain?

i say a 47 year old is healthier than a 72 year old man... by default

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

Certainly. What do we know of his health?

do you think obama has more of a chance of a health issue than mccain?

if they played tennis, do you think mccain could catch up? not to mention basketball

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

There's always an "or what", but I say "God forbid" any of it.

so going back to your first point, if biden had to take over the presidency, he could name a vp. palosi would be a great choice imo
and frankly he's kinda conservative in my eyes but he has the record.

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

8More comfortable with Palin than Biden? Yes. Absolutely. Comfort falls somewhere on a continuum between stocking up the food pantry and campaigning for your preferred candidate. The difference between the tickets might be casually picking up a couple of extra canned goods each week at the grocery store should McCain/Palin win or learning how to field dress large game and making creek water potable should Obama/Biden win.

i...i don't understand

for me, if palin had to take over the presidency, i would be very concerned. she just doesn't seem smart.

she questioned the need to study fruit flies for god sakes

but she could have her own reality tv show... i bet fox is working something up.

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

would you agree that the first argument of health is between obama and mccain?

i say a 47 year old is healthier than a 72 year old man... by default

My mother died at 52 from lung cancer. She smoked cigarettes. Certainly in general terms, a man in his 40s is healthier than a man in his 70s, but this doesn't mean that the health of the younger is not important. Particularly when so much time was spent this election year indicating how Palin was a "heartbeat from the Presidency".

do you think obama has more of a chance of a health issue than mccain?

I would have no clue.

if they played tennis, do you think mccain could catch up? not to mention basketball

Bush jogs. He's not too bad at basketball either. He'd make a great President.

so going back to your first point, if biden had to take over the presidency, he could name a vp. palosi would be a great choice imo
and frankly he's kinda conservative in my eyes but he has the record.

Pelosi is spelled with an 'e'. Biden's conservatism changes as his bids for Presidency approaches. In 2007, Biden was ranked what 3rd, just behind Obama? I wonder how Biden and Obama will reconcile their differences on little things like war, when to engage it, how to engage it, when to pull out of it. Obama's pick of Biden as VP seems to suggest some naivete on foreign policy. On that I'll give you Biden's record.

i...i don't understand

This may indeed be part of the problem.

for me, if palin had to take over the presidency, i would be very concerned. she just doesn't seem smart.

Neither do her naysayers. So many to critique, so little time.

she questioned the need to study fruit flies for god sakes

Do you know why the study of fruit flies was relevant in context of this election?

*Hint- With five of the top ten cities in the nation with the highest foreclosure rates, a projected budget gap of $14 billion by this time next year, and a State economy being described in terms such as "fiscal emergency", massive proposed education and social spending cuts, and state officials proposing various increases in regressive fees and taxes including an internet tax; some priorities are in order.

but she could have her own reality tv show... i bet fox is working something up.

Of course. It wouldn't be a shameless lib talking point without the obligatory Fox reference.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

*Hint- With five of the top ten cities in the nation with the highest foreclosure rates, a projected budget gap of $14 billion by this time next year, and a State economy being described in terms such as "fiscal emergency", massive proposed education and social spending cuts, and state officials proposing various increases in regressive fees and taxes including an internet tax; some priorities are in order.

Yeah, let's potentially add bad crops on top of that. Sounds like a winning combination.

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

My mother died at 52 from lung cancer. She smoked cigarettes. Certainly in general terms, a man in his 40s is healthier than a man in his 70s, but this doesn't mean that the health of the younger is not important. Particularly when so much time was spent this election year indicating how Palin was a "heartbeat from the Presidency".


I would have no clue.

buddy sorry to hear that about your mother. mine also died of lung cancer but she didn't smoke

however mccain is 72 years old and was a pow for 5 years (the stress must has shaved a bit from his life no matter how brave he was...and he was)

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

Bush jogs. He's not too bad at basketball either. He'd make a great President.

i see what you did there... bush is healthy too but he turned out... well not so good.

unless you still think bush is a good president

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

Pelosi is spelled with an 'e'. Biden's conservatism changes as his bids for Presidency approaches. In 2007, Biden was ranked what 3rd, just behind Obama? I wonder how Biden and Obama will reconcile their differences on little things like war, when to engage it, how to engage it, when to pull out of it. Obama's pick of Biden as VP seems to suggest some naivete on foreign policy. On that I'll give you Biden's record.

i believe obama has a plan for the wars, he's been talking about it for 2 years now... biden was a very good choice for vp as you even say

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

Neither do her naysayers. So many to critique, so little time.

had mccain picked giuliani, i think the game would be much closer

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

Do you know why the study of fruit flies was relevant in context of this election?

*Hint- With five of the top ten cities in the nation with the highest foreclosure rates, a projected budget gap of $14 billion by this time next year, and a State economy being described in terms such as "fiscal emergency", massive proposed education and social spending cuts, and state officials proposing various increases in regressive fees and taxes including an internet tax; some priorities are in order.

science is not the devil. studying fruit flies may help us understand and cure humans of cancer, autism etc

Originally Posted by ebuddy 

Of course. It wouldn't be a shameless lib talking point without the obligatory Fox reference.

talking points? these are my thought (patent pending)

i am a snooty new york city elite looking down my nose however

buddy why so angry?

[ebuddy]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

buddy sorry to hear that about your mother. mine also died of lung cancer but she didn't smoke

Likewise, sorry for your loss bro. Not fun to watch.

however mccain is 72 years old and was a pow for 5 years (the stress must has shaved a bit from his life no matter how brave he was...and he was)

I don't know that you can conclude this sort of stress has literally taken years off his life. Now, if he were still dealing in that stress level, perhaps so. The reason the average lifespan is 76 is not because people die of old age at 76. At this point in his life having not been hit by a car, die of cancer, etc... it is entirely possible he could go another 10 years without trouble. We have a wealth of information on McCain's health and the reports are just fine.

i see what you did there... bush is healthy too but he turned out... well not so good.

Right. i.e. whether or not Obama can play tennis or basketball is irrelevant.

unless you still think bush is a good president

I think his Presidency has been unfortunate. Some circumstances due to his lack of political savvy, some not.

i believe obama has a plan for the wars, he's been talking about it for 2 years now... biden was a very good choice for vp as you even say

For two years including his opposition to the surge. The only thing able to turn this war around to the extent that we're no longer discussing what a quagmire the region is. His plan was wrong.

had mccain picked giuliani, i think the game would be much closer

This certainly would've been among my short list of picks, but the concern was that Guiliani wouldn't be able to energize the base. IMO, Guiliani would've helped make the case against Obama much more effectively and by the time November came, conservatives would've voted against Obama/Biden instead of voting for McCain/Guiliani and that's fine. After all, there are plenty of people voting against Bush/Republicans, not for Obama/Biden. I'm actually quite bummed Guiliani didn't get further. He's got President written all over him IMO.

science is not the devil. studying fruit flies may help us understand and cure humans of cancer, autism etc

Palin never claimed science was the devil. She was railing on the expense of studies requested for California olive groves and the flies that may threaten them at some undetermined point in the future. With the incredible freefall California's economy is in, they've got bigger fish to fry right now.

[hyteckit]

McCain, having not hit by a car, or die of cancer, will be born again. He will live another 76 years.

Although, he did crash planes before, had skin cancer, and both his father and grandfather died of heart disease at a younger age than McCain is now.